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The Big Bang Marshal is the mother of all P67 boards. It features eight x16 sized PCI Express slots (4 true, 4 operating at x8 bandwidth).  (Source: Semiaccurate)
Board also supports 32 GB of DDR3 RAM

Gaming-geared hardware maker MSI's new P67 board, designed to work with Intel's new LGA1155 Sandy Bridge CPUs, will compete with Intel's first-party board designs.  If you have the money, MSI Big Bang Marshal, revealed by Semiaccurate, hands you some serious firepower for your buck.

The board's eight slots may leave you blinking -- no those aren't slots for RAM DIMs, they're 8 full-size x16 PCI Express slots.  Four of the slots operate at x16, while four are truly operating at the bandwidth of a typical x8 slot.  Still, that's way more bandwidth than Intel's Sandy Bridge chipset or a single nForce 200 chipset could handle.  Instead, the board leverages the top secret upcoming Lucid Hydra chip.  Unlike previously previewed Hydra chips, this is an actual bridge chip, so you probably can't mix and match GPUs, unfortunately.

The four true x16 PCI Express lanes are each wired to a DIP switch in a blue bank that allows you to quickly turn off a lane.  The featured, dubbed PCI-E CeaseFire, is much request by overclockers, who could use it to turn off undesired lanes, or to turn off a lane that was becoming unstable.

The board has four DDR3 DIMM slots and will likely support up to 32 GB of RAM.

To funnel power to its army of components, the board utilizes a 24 phase DrMOS PWM design, with chips mounted both on the front and back of the board.  The board also features four SATA 3Gbps ports, four SATA 6Gbps ports (two via a Marvell 9128 controller), three manually switchable BIOS chips, two USB 3.0 pin headers for four ports, three USB 2.0 pin headers for six ports, a POST80 debug LED display, a FireWire header, a serial port header, a power, reset and OC Genie buttons, and a multimeter measurement point.  The board features MSI's ClickBIOS, which is MSI's pet name for UEFI.

Outputs on the back of the board include a PS/2 port, two USB 2.0 ports, eight USB 3.0 ports (using a single host controller and two hubs), two USB 2.0/eSATA combo ports, a FireWire port, a pair of Gigabit Ethernet ports and 7.1-channel audio with optical and coaxial S/PDIF out.

The board has not yet seen its final revision and price is still up in the air.

MSI has already excited with other P67 designs, including its 32 GB of DDR3 RAM-ready GD65, which doesn't feature 
quite so many x16 PCI Express slots.  A number of other MSI P67 boards have also already been previewed, but none are quite as formidable or extravagant as the Big Bang Marshal.



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Wow....
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/29/2010 10:39:29 AM , Rating: 2
That's a lot of slots...




RE: Wow....
By MrBlastman on 12/29/2010 10:41:45 AM , Rating: 2
I bet you can't wait to slide something in it...


RE: Wow....
By Anoxanmore on 12/29/2010 10:46:17 AM , Rating: 2
Sliding things in slots is fun...


RE: Wow....
By MrBlastman on 12/29/2010 10:51:22 AM , Rating: 2
Especially if you grease it with the right compound first...


RE: Wow....
By HrilL on 12/29/2010 12:29:28 PM , Rating: 5
I prefer self lubricating slots...


RE: Wow....
By Anoxanmore on 12/29/2010 5:29:54 PM , Rating: 2
I second that motion. :)


RE: Wow....
By Cheesew1z69 on 12/29/2010 12:07:40 PM , Rating: 2
I can't! I am so hot right now! LOL


RE: Wow....
By RugMuch on 12/29/2010 11:02:46 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
MARTHA
Hello there. Are you two heading for Las
Vegas?

BEAVIS
Yeah, we're gonna score.

MARTHA
I hope to score big there myself. I'm
mostly going to be doing the slots.

BEAVIS
Yeah, I'm hoping to do some sluts too.
Heh heh. Do they have lots of sluts in
Las Vegas?

MARTHA
Oh, there are so many slots you won't
know where to begin.

BEAVIS
Whoa! heh heh. Hey Butt-Head, this chick
is pretty cool. She says there's gonna be
tons of sluts in Las Vegas! Heh heh heh.

BUTT-HEAD
Cool. Huh huh huh.

MARTHA
It's so nice to meet young men who are so
well mannered.

BEAVIS
Yeah, heh heh. I'm gonna have money, and a
big-screen TV and sluts everywhere!

MARTHA
Oh, that's nice.


RE: Wow....
By medys on 12/29/2010 12:57:07 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder can we put 8 video cards in there and connect 24 monitors? At least 16??


RE: Wow....
By marvdmartian on 12/29/2010 1:23:08 PM , Rating: 1
Your game room could look like an IMAX theater!

So....is it going to take a flux capacitor and 1.21 gigawatts of power to run this thing??


RE: Wow....
By DanNeely on 12/29/2010 1:28:29 PM , Rating: 2
64 monitors actually. ATI's 6xxx cards can support 8 displays each. 2 via legacy outputs, and 6 via a pair of displayport 1.2 sockets connected to 3 monitor hubs.


RE: Wow....
By MrBlastman on 12/29/2010 1:36:29 PM , Rating: 1
Err, you're forgetting one thing. Most of these new cards are dual-slot cards--i.e. take up two spaces. So, you might be able to fit four in but no more.


RE: Wow....
By DanNeely on 12/29/2010 4:37:13 PM , Rating: 2
You can get single thickness waterblocks...


And who are they hoping will buy this?
By arthur449 on 12/29/2010 10:45:40 AM , Rating: 4
Sandy Bridge (1155) is still using DMI / 16 lanes of PCIe to connect to the rest of the board.

P55 (1156) boards had a 2GB (10Gb) DMI link to the CPU. Even if Intel managed to double the speed of their DMI link in Sandy Bridge that's still only 4GB/s of bandwidth to the CPU from the chipset. LGA 1155 is still slated to use only PCIe 2.0, so those 16 lanes of on-die PCIe are only going to get you a theoretical 8GB/s. That's a potential combined 12GB/s without even taking into account signalling overhead.

4 * 16x PCIe: 32GB/s
4 * 8x PCIe: 16GB/s
8 * USB 3.0: 4GB/s
4 * SATA 6Gbps: 2.4GB/s
4 * SATA 3GBps: 1.2GB/s

So, subtracting the two GbE controllers, and the negligible bandwidth the onboard sound codec uses, they're promising 55.6GB/s worth of connectivity bandwidth when LGA 1155 is only capable of delivering a theoretical maximum of 12GB/s.

No-one is going to be satisfied with this product if they genuinely want to use all those ports.

The only potential market for this product are people who buy overpriced motherboards with big upgrade plans "down the road" and then never get around to upgrading their rig to use it until there's yet another new socket and they have to buy yet another overpriced motherboard...




By DanNeely on 12/29/2010 11:07:24 AM , Rating: 2
you'll find similar results on almost any mobo. The southbridge in particular is always designed around only a fraction of the devices attached running at any given time. eg Intels x5x chipsets had a 2:1 gap between DMI and PCIe bandwidth. The various PCIe bridge chips simply do the same with the northbridge connections and allow the attached devices to have higher burst mode data transfer rates.


By theapparition on 12/29/2010 11:16:43 AM , Rating: 2
You are arguing that the bandwidth between the processor and peripherals is nowhere near adequate. And while that is true, not all operations need to utilize that bus bandwidth. In fact, there are many operations where that level of bandwidth isn't tasked at all.

What about pure GPU or DSP calculations (Think CUDA or SLI), where only a little bit of the bussed bandwith is required while the GPU handles all the workload.

Yes, it's a special board, and probably overkill for any gamer, but for serious workstations that do a lot of GPU processing, this could be a very good platform.


By ppardee on 12/29/2010 1:32:24 PM , Rating: 1
You're assuming that each component will be trying to utilize the maximum bandwidth possible at all times. I don't know of any game (the board is marketed to gamers) that will use 8 USB devices at full bandwidth and 8 SATA devices at full bandwidth. Realistically, we can say that at any one time, a game is likely to use 2 input devices (keyboard/mouse/joystick/game controller). There is very little data coming in and out of these devices at any given time. Worst-case scenario, we can assume RAID 5 with 3 drives, and the optical drive. If they're all on 6GBps SATA, that is 2.4GB. If they're being used ALL the time, you have some serious RAM issues, or a poorly written game. If this person is a hard-core gamer, they're likely to have 2 video cards and a sound card.

Using your numbers:
3 * 16x PCIe = 24GB/s MAX
2 * USB 3.0 = 500 MB/s MAX
4 * SATA 6GBps = 2.4GB/s MAX

So, this system running full tilt would use 26.9GB/s of bandwidth. It is still an overrun, but this is (almost) never going to occur. Sound cards don't use much bandwidth and most if not all disk access is done between levels. If you have a keyboard or mouse that puts out 250MB/s of data consistently, you deserve a slow system. High-end video cards are likely to tax the bus, but it would be the same problem if it only had 2 16x slots.

The market also includes people who don't understand the technology, which is a significant portion of the market as a whole.


By EricMartello on 1/1/2011 6:53:45 PM , Rating: 1
I have a Gigabyte UD9 with a 980X CPU in there. U mad??

While we're on the topic, you're assuming that all these devices can and would saturate their respective interfaces simultaneously. That would not happen in a normal usage scenario and I think you're just mad that you cannot afford something like this.


Still uses a BIOS chip
By dark matter on 12/29/2010 4:22:08 PM , Rating: 1
Fail right there....




RE: Still uses a BIOS chip
By DanNeely on 12/29/2010 4:39:10 PM , Rating: 2

"The board features MSI's ClickBIOS, which is MSI's pet name for UEFI."


RE: Still uses a BIOS chip
By Taft12 on 12/30/2010 12:32:56 PM , Rating: 2
maybe dark matter was referring to his own comment...?


32GB DDR3
By Taft12 on 12/30/2010 12:37:32 PM , Rating: 1
Have any memory manufacturers produced 8GB DDR3 sticks that have made it to market yet? There isn't a single one listed on Newegg.

8GB DIMMs have been available for servers for quite some time, but Intel's consumer chipsets (usually quite full of fail, especially LGA1156) don't support ECC




RE: 32GB DDR3
By EricMartello on 1/1/2011 6:42:34 PM , Rating: 2
ECC would not really have a place on "high performance" boards because the process of error checking can take a noticeable hit on memory performance without really providing any major benefit...in addition to adding to the cost.


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