backtop


Print E-mail del.icio.us 70 comment(s) - last by Mitch101.. on Oct 15 at 1:03 PM

HD DVD more than twice as popular than Blu-ray Disc at Netflix

One often overlooked statistic when comparing the two main high-definition optical formats is rentals. While Blu-ray Disc movies have consistently sold more units than HD DVD at retail, the popularity of the formats appear to be reversed in the rental market.

According to Netflix data gathered by Compete’s online traffic metrics, HD DVD is the preferred high-def format for customers of the largest online rental firm in the U.S. Netflix users that deliberately set a particular format as preferred chose HD DVD by a factor of 2.4:1 when compared to Blu-ray Disc favorers.

Strangely, the Blu-ray Disc section had 1.8 times more browsers of the selection than the HD DVD section. But of those consumers who looked at high-def discs, browsers of HD DVD were 4.4 times more likely to set it as their preferred format as compared to Blu-ray Disc. Furthermore, the HD DVD format saw greater growth numbers than Blu-ray Disc over the June to August period observed.

Before any conclusions are drawn about what this may mean in the ongoing high-definition format war, both HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc combined are barely a blip on the home video radar. Of the 14 million monthly visitors to Netflix, only 0.3 percent viewed either of the high-def formats.

The Netflix data runs contrary to the other major rental powerhouse in the U.S. In June, Blockbuster chose to stock only Blu-ray Disc movies for rental across 1,450 stores nationwide. At the time of the announcement, Blockbuster said that its customers were choosing Blu-ray Disc over HD DVD 70 percent of the time.


Comments     Threshold


This article is over a month old, voting and posting comments is disabled

Plus
By michal1980 on 10/10/2007 12:36:04 PM , Rating: 5
netflix got alot of hd-dvd people from blockbuster when blockbuster switched their instore rentals to be mainly blu-ray




RE: Plus
By PAPutzback on 10/10/2007 1:22:14 PM , Rating: 3
Exactly. I can't believe no one figured this out or made this point in the article.

Hmmm. I have a HD-DVD player that I just dropped 500 bucks on and now I can't go to BB to rent my flicks. Hello netflix.

Or the people who are already netflix customers knowing that they can have the best of both worlds should they end up with both players. I imagine they would grab the cheaper of the two players.

What a no brainer. How many stupid theories were posted before and after your thread.


RE: Plus
By MADAOO7 on 10/10/2007 1:26:13 PM , Rating: 2
I couldn't have said it better, it's truly a "no brainer"


RE: Plus
By R Nilla on 10/10/2007 1:34:04 PM , Rating: 3
Why would that matter? You can still rent HD-DVDs through Blockbuster Online, they just don't carry them in the store. If anything, it may have caused the in-store exchange whores who also have an HD-DVD player to switch to Netflix, but I doubt it.

And even then, Netflix does not have anything to offer over Blockbuster in terms of HD-DVD, since they both carry this format via their mail service. Blockbuster only lost the in-store exchange edge with regards to HD-DVD, but Netflix does not have B&M stores so no biggie.


RE: Plus
By R Nilla on 10/10/2007 1:36:01 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, I see your point now. I was only thinking in terms of their online services, but people who liked to rent HD-DVD from the store, and didn't have BBO, probably did switch to Netflix.


By Awax on 10/10/2007 1:58:15 PM , Rating: 3
Those numbers must be taken with a grain of salt.
Those are not rental nor sell numbers. This is just a poll result saying that people answered : "I prefer HD-DVD over BlueRay". But I don't care about what you say. Anyone can stuff any ballot.
The real important thing here are :
* how many HD format playing device have beensold ? (standalone player AND gaming console included)
* how many HD format are being rented/sold ?

We want solid facts, no online poll anyone can game.




By grampaw on 10/10/2007 3:02:07 PM , Rating: 2
I learned 35 years ago in graduate business school how to "Lie with Statistics." Could have been a separate course - I don't remember.

Anyway, I have both Blu-ray and HD-DVD players. I own zero Hi Def DVDs - in other words I only rent, and only from Blockbuster and Netflix. I have this theory: "Why would anyone want to own a movie if you can rent?"

If I have a choice between formats, and that increasing is not an option, I always choose the HD-DVD format. Reason has nothing to do with picture quality - it's because the Toshiba HD-DVD player runs much cooler than the PS3, a regular room heater.

Blockbuster lets you add to your queue the same title in as many formats as you want, so you effectively double your chance to get a new Hi Def release. With Netflix you get this down arrow next to the title, which you have to click and select one unique format.

Looking at my Blockbuster and Netflix queues, For Blockbuster I have 8 Blu-rays and 4 HD-DVDs in queue, and for Netflix, I have 11 Blu-rays and 6 HD-DVDs in queue.

So now you can lie with statistics and draw any conclusions you want. My only observation is I'm running 2-1 Blu-ray over HD-DVD in my rental queues.


By bplewis24 on 10/10/2007 3:06:45 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for this real-world example of what I said in my post above. A person with an "HD-DVD preference" on Netflix is still renting more Blu-rays than HD-DVDs, so this "more popular" thing, while technically justified, has nearly no relevance to actual data, rendering it a pretty hollow statement.

Brandon


Explanation?
By Kougar on 10/10/2007 12:36:35 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
The Netflix data runs contrary to the other major rental powerhouse in the U.S. In June, Blockbuster chose to stock only Blu-ray Disc movies for rental across 1,450 stores nationwide. At the time of the announcement, Blockbuster said that its customers were choosing Blu-ray Disc over HD DVD 70 percent of the time.


Could this be part of the reason why right here? HD-DVD availability is not as prevalent in brick&mortar locations?

I don't pay attention to these store sections so I don't know, but I recall reading a few articles regarding some HD-DVD users not finding much of a selection at BB or other stores on either DT or Ars...




Some weird numbers here
By killerroach on 10/10/2007 1:43:32 PM , Rating: 2
Although this article doesn't break down the specific numbers, another article on this at Ars Technica noted that more people had selected HD-DVD as their favorite format than there were page views of HD-DVD discs on Netflix's site. This doesn't exactly pass the smell test to me.

That being said, the numbers still seem to show that the winner of the format war is DVD. Neither of these hi-def formats seems to be gaining any traction...




RE: Some weird numbers here
By rikulus on 10/10/2007 1:56:10 PM , Rating: 2
I definitely agree that the numbers are a little strange. If the report were actually from Netflix (rather than compete.com) and contained information related to total number of rentals or total number of current customers set for either preference, that would be interesting.

But to grab a 3 month snapshot, and look only at the number clicking to set a preference is pretty weak to headline as "Netflix statistics show HD-DVD more popular than Blu-ray disc." Especially when the number of people viewing the BD catalog was nearly twice that viewing the HD-DVD catalog... which seems at least as good an indicator to disk popularity. Probably a better indicator to overall popularity in fact, rather than just new users.


Players
By Branger on 10/10/2007 12:43:19 PM , Rating: 2
What about the difference between the Xbox HD DVD player on the market? It's an interesting effect because gamers represent a completely differently behaving market than the "typical" renter....




Its hard to say
By AlphaVirus on 10/11/2007 10:33:15 AM , Rating: 2
Polls dont mean much of anything because why? Well my vote was not in the poll and alot of times they survey less than 1,000 people and call it relevant.

BluRay is honestly a better performer and spec-wise is better than HD-DVD. If you ask the public which would they buy, most would probably say HD-DVD because it has "DVD" in it. They are familiar with the term "DVD" and I am sure the majority dont know what it means but they know its a disc that holds movies.

This whole format war is bogus and will never get anywhere for a long time, in which by that time they will become obsolete and a new technology will come about.

Price wars make a difference also, just look at the Game Console war. Wii has made a stand at #1 because the average person can say "Well they all play games but this one is cheaper...I will take 1 Wii please"




Sony Spinning Wheels with Deals?
By Mitch101 on 10/15/2007 1:03:42 PM , Rating: 2
More rumor but you will like this.

HD-DVD sales were closing in on Blue-Ray sales at Amazon.com and with a few exclusive releases coming soon for HD-DVD someone made a deal with Amazon to allow a 2 for 1 sale on Blue Ray titles hoping that they could show Blue Ray sales as growing/Mailtaining their ground against HD-DVD.

We all know that free movies are considered sales to the people who make up the charts. Interesting to see the Blue Ray coming up with this to try and offset the charts that HD-DVD might surpass Blue-Ray sales this month.




Just wonder...
By Tom Milhauz on 10/10/07, Rating: 0
and tomorrow...
By Gul Westfale on 10/10/07, Rating: -1
RE: and tomorrow...
By Polynikes on 10/10/2007 1:13:33 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously, first I see an article saying HDDVD is more popular, then another article says BD is selling better, now this. I wonder what the real numbers are.


RE: and tomorrow...
By PAPutzback on 10/10/2007 1:26:58 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think you are serious. This is one company renting both formats. Given, Netflix is huge but they are renting the discs and not selling them.

It is not a war people. It is French Toast and Pancakes, neither is going anywhere until the Ultimate Omellete arrives.

My Guess is that DVD is still out selling both.


RE: and tomorrow...
By mcnabney on 10/11/2007 6:18:36 PM , Rating: 2
DVD is outselling the new formats by about 500 to 1. Really.


RE: and tomorrow...
By Awax on 10/10/2007 2:04:29 PM , Rating: 2
you got it right :
* HD-DVD is POPULAR (= result from a poll)
* BluRay is selling better (= result from real $$$)

So, according to you, which article might be based on made up numbers no one will ever be able to double check ?


RE: and tomorrow...
By bhieb on 10/10/2007 3:28:14 PM , Rating: 1
The more important thing is...

NO ONE CARES!
(Well I guess the .3% of you do, but the other 99.7% of netflix customers are smart enough not to buy into this crap until prices come WAY down or there is a clear victor)


RE: and tomorrow...
By Gul Westfale on 10/10/2007 10:41:03 PM , Rating: 1
i'm not on either side of this ridiculous format war. my post was intended to be sarcastic, but i guess that is lost on some of you people. i find it dumb that every other day yet another "credible" source claims that one format is outselling the other; i'm still not buying a bluray or HD DVD drive until i can get a combo drive at a decent price. i also don't give a damn about which format wins, and there are three reasons for that:

1. both are better than DVD, but the jump in quality from DVD and the HD formats isn't nearly as big as the jump from VHS to DVD

2. in two years every player will be a combo player capable of playing every format. so who cares about what movie comes out on which format?

3. at some point they will just replace all this HD stuff with "ultra HD" and then there will be yet another format war... yawn. it is the movies that matter people, not the piece of plastic they come on.


It all makes sense
By gtrinku on 10/10/07, Rating: -1