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It will be available in early November

Nest has already revamped the conventional thermostat by creating a smarter, sleeker device that both reduces energy consumption and looks pretty hanging on the wall. Now, the Palo Alto, California-based company is giving the smoke detector a makeover as well.

Nest, a company made up of former Apple engineers, has created a new smoke alarm called "Protect," which detects smoke and carbon monoxide in the home -- and it's nothing like the one you grew up with. Gone are the days of annoying, rapid beeping until you climb up furniture or a ladder to hit the button. 

Instead, Protect beeps intermittently while a robot voice alerts you about what exactly is wrong. For instance, the robot will say things like “Heads-up, there’s smoke in the bedroom” or “Emergency, there’s smoke.”

“With our first product, the Nest Learning Thermostat, we set out to help people reduce home energy use,” said Tony Fadell, Nest founder and chief executive officer. “Now, we’re turning our attention to something that’s also important: keeping families safe in their homes. We’ve all experienced the smoke alarm going off while we’re cooking or searched for the source of that incessant low-battery chirp in the middle of the night. Every time a smoke alarm cries wolf, we trust it a little less, and then – in a moment of frustration – we rip the batteries out to stop the beeping. And that leaves us and our families at risk.”


Protect has both motion and smoke detection sensors. To turn it off when beeping, you simply wave your hand in front of it. 

Also, Protect connects to a Wi-Fi network, and owners can download the Nest Protect app to their phone to receive any alerts about smoke in their home while away. 


Nest Protect App

Protect is expected to hit stores in early November with a hefty price tag of $130. This seems pretty high compared to traditional smoke detectors, which can cost as low as $30, but Nest is betting that the added convenience will sway buyers to its latest device.  

Back in October 2011, Nest announced its smart thermostat that was capable of learning its environment and change temperature settings accordingly. It's currently available for $250 on the Nest website. 

Source: Nest



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I think
By inighthawki on 10/8/2013 5:42:36 PM , Rating: 5
For the once every few years it goes off accidentally, I think I can live with a regular smoke detector and take the risk of that annoying beep and save $120




RE: I think
By superflex on 10/8/2013 5:49:45 PM , Rating: 2
Read the review of their thermostat on Amazon.
It's a wildly overpriced, unreliable POS.
I see the same thing with the smoke detector.
Nest. Marketed by PT Barnum.


RE: I think
By tng on 10/8/2013 5:56:08 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Read the review of their thermostat on Amazon.
Never had an issue with it, but like most reviews of products online, most are bad. Typically people who like the product are less likely to go back and give it a review. People who don't like it will.

As for it being a POS, I don't see where you get that from. Even the wife who was somewhat reluctant to spend the money on it, now loves the thing. One of the coolest things I have bought for the house.


RE: I think
By Dr of crap on 10/10/2013 8:54:31 AM , Rating: 2
AND I can do the same thing as this over priced thing for $35. Hmmm lets see which one should I get


RE: I think
By Dorkyman on 10/11/2013 1:36:31 AM , Rating: 4
I dunno, my impression is that people like us (nerds) often go back and give feedback, good or bad. In fact, I make a point of reading feedback on places like Amazon or Newegg before I buy anything.

As for the smoke detector, I love gadgets, but so far I fail to see the point. Has a nice dot pattern, though.


RE: I think
By tng on 10/15/2013 5:25:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I make a point of reading feedback on places like Amazon or Newegg before I buy anything.

I am just saying... reviews online can be, well, unreliable.
Like this...

http://www.dailytech.com/Fake+Online+Review+Crackd...


RE: I think
By Jeffk464 on 10/8/2013 6:43:06 PM , Rating: 2
I have the thermostat and its completely reliable, I don't know what you're talking about. My router is flaky so sometimes I loose network capability but even so the thermostat function always works.


RE: I think
By Jeffk464 on 10/8/2013 6:43:49 PM , Rating: 2
but yeah its expensive


RE: I think
By Souka on 10/9/2013 1:48:41 AM , Rating: 2
On a DIY TV program they reviewed the NEST... they also said that 75% of programmable thermostats are NOT programmed.

Getting the NEST is about 3-4x the cost of a standard programmable thermostat...but for most people, it will save them $$ and recoup the cost easily.

I would like to know how the Protect gets its power.

I have a number of detectors at my home... never have a problem with the late night beep. How? just replace the battery yearly... easy.

If the alarm near my kitchen goes off, I just press the silence button...I think it keeps it muted for 30min or so.

I really like the idea of a "smart" smoke detector... it would be perfect for my mom. I would be on the alert setup for it should there be a problem.

Cool tech... it'll sell


RE: I think
By Schrag4 on 10/9/2013 12:51:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I would like to know how the Protect gets its power.

Many new homes have power wired to the smoke detectors. They have a battery but it only gets used when there's a power outage, so the batteries last much, much longer.


RE: I think
By Souka on 10/10/2013 6:31:00 PM , Rating: 2
yeah, thought about that AFTER I posted.

I have two such detectors in my house...upper and lower hallway.

But also have a bunch more elsewhere, which are standard 9v battery.


RE: I think
By tng on 10/8/2013 5:49:57 PM , Rating: 2
I just bought the Nest thermostat a couple of months ago and like it very much, but yeah, $120 smoke detector? No, that would just be a toy because you like playing with your phone.


RE: I think
By inighthawki on 10/8/2013 6:05:36 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I can see a smart thermostat actually providing a lot of useful value for the money. But a smoke detector? It's basically designed to do nothing. And if all goes well, it never will :)


RE: I think
By FaaR on 10/8/2013 7:48:57 PM , Rating: 3
"DANGER, WILL ROBINSON! DANGER!"

...What if you don't speak english, then what? Seriously, I think the beeps are better - at least they're universal(ly annoying.)

Oh yeah - $120 for a smoke detector. Built for people with more money than brains, it would seem... ;)


RE: I think
By Rukkian on 10/9/2013 9:49:12 AM , Rating: 2
Actually it has been shown that kids in particular and many adults do not wake up to a traditional smoke detector. Something about the tone. That is why you are starting to see talking ones, or a combination.


RE: I think
By Souka on 10/10/2013 6:37:47 PM , Rating: 2
put one in your parents house...or your vacation house...

well worth it IHMO


RE: I think
By Shig on 10/8/2013 5:50:14 PM , Rating: 2
This is worth 40$, tops. That may even be generous.


RE: I think
By quiksilvr on 10/8/2013 8:40:30 PM , Rating: 3
Actually $50-$60 would be appropriate given the best competition has to offer is this:

http://www.amazon.com/Kidde-KN-COSM-B-Battery-Oper...

It has smart hush capabilities too though, so...


RE: I think
By ClownPuncher on 10/9/2013 12:32:54 PM , Rating: 4
I wish my wife had smart hush capabilities.


RE: I think
By Azethoth on 10/8/2013 6:14:46 PM , Rating: 2
Nah, the design is already worth the cash vs the ugly crap I currently have uglifying my ceilings. Combine that with the motion detection and forthcoming APIs and my Hue lights, and I can look forward to some decent and relevant home automation.


RE: I think
By Jeffk464 on 10/8/2013 6:46:25 PM , Rating: 2
This company should really take over the smart home environment. They have a lot of talent and it would be cool to combine all the devices into a complete system. Motion detection on the thermostat and smoke detectors could get you half way to a smart alarm system.


RE: I think
By Azethoth on 10/8/2013 7:15:23 PM , Rating: 3
Nice for you. In my condo all of them go off in the entire building for 20 mins minimum due to real and false alarms several times a year. The noise is overwhelming. These will be worth the price.

In addition, motion sensors + wifi + cloud software. So at least $60 for the hardware we are looking at + $60 for the nice design, software, backend and continuing operation and improvement of it. Not the greatest deal, but not too out of sync either.

The detectors it replaces for me are ugly yellowed and broken, hanging by their electric connections from the ceiling. Ugh.


RE: I think
By JediJeb on 10/9/2013 6:27:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
In addition, motion sensors + wifi + cloud software. So at least $60 for the hardware we are looking at + $60 for the nice design, software, backend and continuing operation and improvement of it. Not the greatest deal, but not too out of sync either.


Great until someone figures out how to hack into one like they have the internet connected baby monitors. Then they will be setting them off at all hours of the night just to annoy people lol.


My Opinion - No Fluff
By smoker1212 on 10/9/2013 9:49:36 AM , Rating: 2
I'm in the Fire/Security Industry, this product has me excited.

It's not a smoke detector.

It's an Ionization Smoke, Photo-Electric Smoke, Heat Detector, and Carbon-Monoxide Detector all-in-one. There is nothing in the consumer-sphere that can do all of those. Even commercially, devices like this run for 60~80 bucks and they require expensive, addressable panels.

In addition, it includes Ultrasonic and Motion Detectors (possibly IR, there's no detail.)

It includes a voice annunciation for specific event.

It allows you to view the status anywhere in the world via the WWW.

It is priced at $130.

You'll need about 5 for a two bed-room house (2 Bedrooms, Bedroom hallway, Basement Stair, Living Room) for a total of $650.

On top of that, the installation is nothing more than mounting a smoke detector.

I challenge anyone to find an installed IP-Based multi-criteria Fire/Security Panel for a lower price.

My concerns:

Will there be an Android App?
Photo Sensors, CO Sensors, Ion Sensors do not last forever (~10 years best case scenario.) Is the unit garbage if a sensor goes bad?
Will the unit be UL listed for residential homes?
Will the unit be able to communicate to a central station during an alarm. If it can't, this could potentially kill a large market for the device.




RE: My Opinion - No Fluff
By smoker1212 on 10/9/2013 10:11:52 AM , Rating: 2
Looked into it further:

It does have an android app, 2.2 and higher required.

I was incorrect about the security aspect... a model that will interface with a security panel is coming out next year and will not be available to the public, only through professional system installers. That's a shame, it has the required sensors to alert you of motion and an app that could be used to 'set' the device.

It is in the process of getting UL listed.

I still see no mention of central station monitoring.

The device comes in battery or 120vac versions.

There's additional sensors I did not know about:
Humidity Sensor (Interesting)
Ambient Light Sensor (Light your path at night time)

It can interface with the NEST thermostat to shutdown the AC/Heater Units in the event of a fire or CO alarm.

I'm a little less excited about the product now that I know it doesn't have security features. But it's still nice to see something like in a relatively stagnant field.


RE: My Opinion - No Fluff
By Dorkyman on 10/11/2013 1:44:29 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the additional feedback. I still don't like it, because I don't like the IDEA of it. You don't own it, it owns you, makes your life more complicated. Given all the complexity already, I really don't need or want a "smoke detector" that does all that. Seriously, no thanks.

It's like that TV commercial where a working mom looks at her iPhone, boosts the home thermostat and turns on an outside light, all from her phone. Yeah, right. My house warms up in the evening automatically, and the kids can turn on their own light.


RE: My Opinion - No Fluff
By DukeN on 10/9/2013 12:07:27 PM , Rating: 2
How effective is this as a CO detector?

The picture suggests it's mounted on a ceiling, but CO being heavier than air accumulates from the ground up, no?


RE: My Opinion - No Fluff
By Jeffk464 on 10/9/2013 2:47:04 PM , Rating: 2
I accidentally left my stove on simmer for hours and can tell you the my CO detector went off and then was flaky for that time on. Once they go off you have to replace them.


RE: My Opinion - No Fluff
By smoker1212 on 10/9/2013 5:14:38 PM , Rating: 2
I never heard of that being the case. I would contact the manufacturer of the product if it was malfunctioning within the warranty period.

If I would have to guess, there could have been a large build-up of humidity from the simmering stove that destroyed the electronics of the detector.


RE: My Opinion - No Fluff
By Dr of crap on 10/10/2013 9:00:24 AM , Rating: 2
None that I have had NEEDED to be replaced after a CO event. You must be buying the cheap models!


RE: My Opinion - No Fluff
By smoker1212 on 10/9/2013 5:08:23 PM , Rating: 2
CO is about the same weight as air (specific gravity of about .97, air is 1.)

The generation of CO comes from appliances that also generate heat so the CO will catch the draft (hot air rises) and accumulate. Generally, CO protection is ideal for natural gas appliances and oil furnaces.

I believe you are thinking of Carbon Dioxide. Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air (specific gravity of about 1.5.)

CO2 detectors are typically found in a garage's/shops/backup generator rooms/fire pump rooms (anything with internal combustion motors).


no thank you.
By chromal on 10/8/2013 6:18:49 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure who this appeals to. I think I bought a 5-pack of smoke detectors at Home Depot for $28 when I bought my house in 2008. I could have had the same functionality for $600+? You know what they say about a fool and their money....




RE: no thank you.
By inighthawki on 10/8/2013 6:39:47 PM , Rating: 2
No of course not. For $600 your smoke detector talks to you. Incase you couldn't figure out where the smoke or the ear piercing beeping was coming from...


RE: no thank you.
By Jeffk464 on 10/8/2013 6:50:34 PM , Rating: 2
Some people buy $100,000 beamers and million dollar homes, $600 for something that lasts the life of your house(hopefully) has a market.


RE: no thank you.
By chromal on 10/8/2013 8:47:58 PM , Rating: 2
Smoke detectors generally operate by containing a alpha radiation source (the isotope Americium-241) in an ionization chamber, or a photo detector (which is what the Nest Protect smoke alarm tech specs states). They must be replaced every 8-10 years to ensure protection.


RE: no thank you.
By Jeffk464 on 10/9/2013 2:42:44 PM , Rating: 2
huh, thats interesting I don't know anyone that replaced their smoke detectors every 8 years. I guess they need a born on date.


RE: no thank you.
By augiem on 10/9/2013 2:48:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Gone are the days of annoying, rapid beeping until you climb up furniture or a ladder to hit the button.

Instead, Protect beeps intermittently while a robot voice alerts you about what exactly is wrong. For instance, the robot will say things like “Heads-up, there’s smoke in the bedroom” or “Emergency, there’s smoke.”


quote:
For $600 your smoke detector talks to you.


The cheapo smoke detector in my ceiling talks too. It says "Fire fire fire!" and also warns of carbon monoxide by audible voice. Never heard the CO one though.


me
By GodMadeDirt on 10/9/2013 9:10:26 AM , Rating: 2
I'm dumb enough to buy this




RE: me
By Jeffk464 on 10/9/2013 2:47:29 PM , Rating: 2
yes, I'm also that kind of retarded.


By sprockkets on 10/8/2013 7:17:29 PM , Rating: 2
TODAY's smoke detectors actually DO talk; they beep and say "Low Battery". Already on the market are ones that can be tested by shining a flashlight onto them. And in any new installation, line ac powered ones are REQUIRED. And when one goes off, they set all of them off, AND TALK.

Besides their stupid nest thermostat is the only one that requires a remote tech to diagnose problems via the internet. Do you really, really want a "smart" smoke and CO detector with a company whose history relies on constant firmware updates to get their products to work right? I think not.




79 bucks, maybe.
By overlandpark4me on 10/8/2013 9:56:04 PM , Rating: 2
higher than that, pass. I have the first gen thermostat, and it's been flawless. The ability to view my usage is a big help.




Brilliant
By Captain Orgazmo on 10/9/2013 1:52:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
To turn it off when beeping, you simply wave your hand in front of it.


So when you catch fire and run around screaming, arms flailing, it shuts off. Definitely not a good buy for the spontaneous-combustion demo, but recommended for regular self-immolaters.

Also, I though it didn't beep. Ah, article by MS Word auto-summarize... er Tiffany Kaiser.




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