As the U.S.,
Japan, China, UK, and other nations debate in advance of the
conference in December, there seems to be a clear consensus that
something needs to be done to address climate change. The key
issue though is what to do and how much to spend and on that topic
there appears little hope of reaching a consensus.
seem mostly likely to reach a "Goldilocks" solution
championed by the U.S. Such a solution would attempt to not be
drastic enough to cause resistance, but not weak enough to be
ineffectual -- in other words, it would aim for "just right".
In order to do this a series of interim steps in carbon control will
likely be rolled out.
Yvo De Boer, the Dutch diplomat who
leads the United Nations climate secretariat and oversees the
negotiations describes, "There isn’t sufficient time to get
the whole thing done. But I hope it will go well beyond simply
a declaration of principles. The form I would like it to take is the
groundwork for a ratifiable agreement next year."
thorny issue is the topic of poor and developing nations. While
it might be a bit of a pain for the U.S. to curb its carbon habit,
it's doable. However, for some poor nations they simply have no
means to turn away from polluting technologies such as coal or wood
burning. Representatives from the U.S., European Union, and the
16 other largest emitters met in London this week to iron out aid for
these poor nations to help them meet climate objectives.
According to officials the talks went quite well.
holdup, though is the U.S. Congress's inability to agree on global
warming legislation. Currently legislation that would set up a
trading scheme and binding targets for emissions is mired in
Congress and will likely not see passage until early next year --
after the international agreement will likely be ironed out.
The lack of a concrete plan from the U.S. cast doubt on the
Officials point out that the Kyoto Accord took four
years after the initial convention to iron out details -- and the
U.S. never was on board with that treaty. While there's much
uncertainty about the nature of the new agreement, it will likely
seek terms that will try to constrain warming to 2 degrees Celsius
above current levels. That way island nations and coastal
states will be protected against potentially catastrophic flooding
that some speculate a warming climate could create.
quote: Whether global temps are rising or not I'm not sure, but I know the Artic is melting away. If that is man-made, then I see reason to try to prevent it
quote: I believe we have reliable temperature data going back some centuries
quote: I only wish the politicians would convert coal to Nuclear power plants, but I'm afraid that it's too politically 'hot'. At least in many countries here in Europe.
quote: I know the Artic is melting away.
quote: The result is surprising. The sea-ice in the surveyed areas is obviously thicker than the scientists had suspected. Normally, new ice formed after two years was about two feet thick. "There were, however, measured ice thickness of up to four meters," said a spokesman of Bremerhaven's Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research.
quote: I don't believe in man-made global warming, but I understand/support curbing pollution and reducing fossil fuel usage.
quote: How come this Doomsday scenario has to be invented?
quote: Because it's not about protecting the environment, it's about controlling the planet's production means through a global carbon tax which will systematically reduce the middle class of this world to the proletariat class.
quote: I don't care if they get rich. However, for every person getting rich off this scam, many, many people will get poorer.
quote: You should emit less regardless if this is a power play or not.
quote: The reason you use so much energy is because you import double of what the chinese do. For a country with almost 1/5th the population. Consumption costs energy too yknow.
quote: U.S. generates more (in terms of value, not volume)
quote: Ok, so tell me if the US use so much energy why is China about to pass the US in emissions with India close on their heels? I don't want to hear the US is soooo rich and must pay for everyone else because (insert tear-jerking story here).
quote: "many climatologists agree"
quote: in other words, it would aim for "just write".
quote: One thorny issue is the topic of poor and developing nations. While it might be a bit of a pain for the U.S. to curb its carbon habit, it's doable. However, for some poor nations they simply have no means to turn away from polluting technologies such as coal or wood burning. Representatives from the U.S., European Union, and the 16 other largest emitters met in London this week to iron out aid for these poor nations to help them meet climate objectives. According to officials the talks went quite well.
quote: "Non thinking, flat earther, Republican party hacks, that just want to pollute the earth so that the big wig CEO's can get rich by exploiting the down trodden all over the world".
quote: We'll finally have the vehicle that will take us to international social justice and bureaucratic control over the behavior of every member of the human race!
quote: Please explain how a bureaucracy to establish "control over the behavior of every member of the human race" would ever have a hope of being feasible, when even the largest and most advanced nations are barely able to keep track of their own populaces.
quote: go back to your hole cnote
quote: Some, especially people in their forties are afraid of that change
quote: Young people today have different mindset, they know that it is the only way to finally end wars and hostility towards each other
quote: I showed to you the tool by with we can achieve humanity's goals and that instrument is the globalization, the integration of national economies into the international economy, creation of a "world government" which regulates the relationships among governments
quote: The Convention’s financial mechanism will include a multilateral climate change fund including five windows: (a) an Adaptation window, (b) a Compensation window, to address loss and damage from climate change impacts, including insurance, rehabilitation and compensatory components, (c) a Technology window; (d) a Mitigation window; and (e) a REDD window, to support a multi-phases process for positive forest incentives relating to REDD actions.