Source: The New York Times
quote: In the real world you aren't going to be able to charge your car overnight everywhere you are. Fact.
quote: And this is irrelevant because the cars range estimator said he had enough juice left to get there anyway.
quote: I don't want to waste the extra time pumping to a full tank lol.
quote: The CNN article is a "joke" for sure that if you know what problems other faced you will fully charge your battery, also the temperature was 10 degree warmer and that helps.
quote: I do before I leave on a long road trip
quote: I do before I leave on a long road trip
quote: To blast someone for "only" having 90% of a full tank when embarking on a trip, whether the tank burns fuel or we're talking battery capacity, is blatantly divisive.
quote: Right. Cause we all rush into gas stations when our tanks hit 60%...
quote: in the real world
quote: The CNN article is a "joke" for sure that if you know what problems other faced you will fully charge your battery,
quote: also the temperature was 10 degree warmer and that helps.
quote: So somebody offers you a free tank of gas (250 miles in a M5 or E63 needs 14+ gallons of gas, i.e. $50) if you leave him the car for an hour, and you're free to do whatever you want in the meantime - shop, eat, talk on the phone, surf - and you turn it down?
quote: there is a fair amount of anti-EV sentiment around
quote: I don't see how you can say a Leaf is expensive now that the 2013 model is here
quote: but within that market you can't run any new car for less .
quote: Also for most of us, where there are no charging stations, the electricity is not free, we would have to do it at home.
quote: Also I would just like to ask... Why does a car like the leaf need to be so fugly (IMO)?
quote: You think every one drives 600 miles a week? Or every household needs every car capable of doing so?
quote: You think everyone can buy one-year old cars with nobody buying new ones?
quote: You think everyone can buy a car without a loan/lease?
quote: I guarantee you that net cost (purchase price plus fuel minus resale value) will be lower with a Leaf than any gas car.
quote: Electricity cost for home charging is included in the $230/mo figure.
quote: then you have WTF cars like the Juke, 2013 Altima
quote: that would make me just like allot of people here who think that everybody should be forced to convert to EVs based on their limited world view ( not a shot at you personally).
quote: He sees what he wants to see and hears what he wants to hear.
quote: I now have a car that I paid cash for 12 years ago (less than half of a leaf), it is economical and reliable. Really I expect it to last at least 350K miles.
quote: When it came out, the Leaf was way overpriced, but a $6400 price cut makes all the difference.
quote: As I mentioned above, your case is already outside the confines of my statement, but now you're saying that your case is completely irrelevant to any type new car purchase? You can't pay for and fuel any new car for $180+30 doing 1500+ miles per month.
quote: Again it all comes down to range and the fact that despite many people here who have never lived outside of a large urban environment where EVs make sense, that is not the case for most people out there.
quote: I always though that that bolting ~10kWh to a regular hybrid would be no more expensive than a pure EV
quote: Honda Fit > Leaf.Cheaper.
quote: Mint even YOU said the Tesla should have been a PHEV
quote: I don't want and will not knowingly purchase a vehicle that record my driving pattern for miles and miles.
quote: I don't want and will not knowingly purchase a vehicle that record my driving pattern for miles and miles. Just a little too much "Big Brother is Watching" for me.
quote: and that the spikes in speed could have happened when in cruise control because of downhill stretches
quote: though they like all EV's are pretty impractical for 99.999999999999% of society.
quote: I leave my house tons of times knowing I'll need to stop and gas up to reach my destination, or to make it back home from there. But so what? You do this too! It's a non-issue. Stopping to get gas is quick and easy, it's second nature.
quote: His excuse is that the people he contacted at Tesla told him to drive 61 miles with only 32 miles of range left. That just doesn't seem plausible to me.
quote: Can we just get real for a minute and admit that we, as human beings, do not always look ahead and do the most prudent things?
quote: You want to go faster? go ahead, you'll just have to deal with the shorter range, which applies to both electric and gas cars.
quote: But I can drive OVER 350 miles at speeds greater than 54 mph TODAY in most any gasoline vehicle.
quote: But I can drive OVER 350 miles at speeds greater than 54 mph TODAY in most any gasoline vehicle. Which EV has that kind of range at speeds greater than 54 mph?
quote: This is a niche car for a niche market
quote: You don't put 1 gallon of gas in your car and then complain that it wasn't able to go 100 miles
quote: Nobody with half a brain leaves a free gas station without filling their gas tank
quote: He didn't know where this "station" was
quote: Where are your calls for BMW and Mercedes to shut down those failed products?
quote: Get a life and go away
quote: So don't buy one.
quote: Musk trying to defend that they are road-tripable is idiotic.
quote: I love Mint how you rip on anyone who brings this up
quote: Why do I get a creepy feeling that when we're talking about EV's, it's a religious debate for you and others?
quote: use the hydrogen to power a combustion engine
quote: Tesla has successfully demonstrated that electric vehicles are superior.
quote: More precisely, that electric motors are superior to internal combustion
quote: Unlike many other current hydrogen powered vehicles like those being produced by Honda, General Motors, and Daimler AG - which use fuel cell technology and hydrogen to produce electricity to power the vehicle - the BMW Hydrogen 7 burns the hydrogen in an internal combustion engine.
quote: Correct, going nuclear is clearly the only true long term option just wish the tree huggers and tin foil hat wearers would let it progress.
quote: WIth that being said, I see Musk as a real life Tony Stark.