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Samuel Pekoh with his Lexus taxicab  (Source: nysun.com)
Lexus Hybrid cab drivers hope their vehicles will be grandfathered into the hybrid program, but it seems unlikely as NY clears the roads for the newly adopted Taxi of Tomorrow winner, the Nissan NV200

The New York Taxi and Limousine Commission have passed new regulations prohibit the use of Lexus taxi cabs because they are "too powerful."

The city of New York has over 13,000 cabs in operation, where the Ford Crown Victoria reigns supreme accounting for more than half of the city's taxis. But that is about to change since the Taxi and Limousine Commission just selected the Nissan NV200 as the Taxi of Tomorrow, which is an effort to encourage the adoption of environmentally friendly vehicles. 

Despite New York's plan to integrate hybrid vehicles into the taxi system until all the cabs are hybrids, there is a certain hybrid vehicle that doesn't make the cut: the Lexus. 

Out of 13,000 cabs cruising NY city streets, only six of them are Lexus models. These hybrid models are the Lexus RX 400h or the RX 450h, and they cost over $40,000 per vehicle. 

The Lexus taxi first came about in 2006 when a taxi fleet was testing these particular models. These vehicles were modified for taxi use with additions like roof lights, a camera and of course, a yellow paint job. 

Cliff Adler was the first to drive a Lexus taxi. He then persuaded his friend Samuel Pekoh to drive one as well. 

Later, four more Lexus taxi drivers were added to the list, including Sushil Maggoo, Neil Newmark, Shmuel Poper and Ilya Atanelov. 

Together, these six cab drivers make up an elite force of Lexus enthusiasts, and care for their vehicles very much. Customers are not to slam their doors or put their bags on the leather seats, but it's the extra care that draws customers to these luxury vehicles. The drivers have sometimes received tips as much as 50 to 100 percent of the cab fare, and a couple of the men even mentioned driving their kids to school in style using their Lexus cabs. 

In a city full of $28,000 Crown Victoria's whipping around street corners and battling loads of traffic, one might wonder why a cabbie would pay so much money for a Lexus cab. The cab drivers note that they do not make more money in fares and tips, but rather, they bought the vehicles for two reasons: individuality and health. 

There are thousands of yellow cabs on the streets of New York, so cabbies are constantly trying to make their cars stick out and attract more business. Most of the time, cab drivers use bumper stickers to stand out amongst the crowd, but with a Lexus, Newmark notes that the unique factor is a no-brainer. 

"A cab driver is dying for individuality," said Newmark. "I sort of feel like a celebrity." 

Lexus cabs also offer a more comfortable ride, which is important for physical health when cabbies are driving over deep potholes and sitting in traffic for long periods of time. Newmark, in particular, notes that the Lexus' smooth ride helps him manage knee pain. 

In addition, the six Lexus drivers noted that their vehicles require less maintenance than most other hybrid vehicles. 

But recently, the NY Taxi and Limousine Commission passed regulations that forbid the Lexus taxicab from roaming New York City streets. The reason for this ban is because the vehicle are "too powerful." 

Of course, the Lexus cab drivers disagree with the Taxi and Limousine Commission, and hope their vehicles will be grandfathered into the hybrid program. 

"If I'm willing to spend the money on a Lexus, why won't they let me?" said Mr. Newmark. 

As of right now, the Lexus cabbies plan to enjoy the time they have left with their vehicles until they must be retired. Cabs are typically retired after a three to seven year period depending on the vehicle, but a Lexus cab has a six-year cab life. Adler will have to retire his vehicle next year, and Atanelov, who was the most recent Lexus cab buyer, said he plans to retire along with his Lexus when the time comes. 

The Taxi and Limousine Commission plans to clear out most varieties of cabs in anticipation of the newly adopted Nissan NV200.



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Nanny Government
By tng on 5/19/2011 8:09:10 AM , Rating: 5
One more example of people stepping in to say you can't do this or that because you don't know any better and we are going to save the world even if you don't like it...

Guess I could look it up myself, but why would a Lexus be considered to powerful and a V8 Crown Vic be OK? Which gets better gas mileage?




RE: Nanny Government
By chick0n on 5/19/2011 8:17:42 AM , Rating: 5
Of course,

If they let people get Lexus, Nissan is not going to like it.

and I'm sick n tired of the "government agency name here" telling us what to do/to not do every freaking day.


RE: Nanny Government
By Chadder007 on 5/19/2011 8:52:11 AM , Rating: 5
Its all about money....someone must be getting a kickback from Nissan to push/mandate their vehicle.


RE: Nanny Government
By therealnickdanger on 5/19/2011 9:17:40 AM , Rating: 5
Crooked dealings in New York City? Naw...


RE: Nanny Government
By RedemptionAD on 5/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Nanny Government
By FITCamaro on 5/19/2011 3:26:48 PM , Rating: 4
Extreme sarcasm fail.


RE: Nanny Government
By Flunk on 5/19/2011 9:47:09 AM , Rating: 5
They need to just pick a fuel efficiency target and just let anyone buy any cab they want that meets that target. This is a huge waste of time and money.


RE: Nanny Government
By JediJeb on 5/19/2011 12:29:28 PM , Rating: 3
Why even mandate a fuel efficiency target? Most cab drivers are going to balance fuel efficiency versus the capabilities of the vehicle to do the job, if more fuel efficient models work better and make them more money they will choose them. If a more fuel efficient vehicle is too small and makes it difficult for their customers to get into them, then a cabbie will not use that vehicle, unless he is forced to.


RE: Nanny Government
By Zoomer on 5/19/2011 1:38:51 PM , Rating: 1
Agreed. The better way would be to increase prices of gas. And they can use that money to fix the roads.


RE: Nanny Government
By Reclaimer77 on 5/19/2011 2:25:49 PM , Rating: 4
New York collects plenty of money for the roads. They just spend it on anything BUT the roads. Gas is high enough, thank you.


RE: Nanny Government
By YashBudini on 5/19/2011 3:51:40 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
They just spend it on anything BUT the roads.

But then who doesn't? Are they the worst? In magnitude probably, in frequency not so much.


RE: Nanny Government
By Reclaimer77 on 5/19/2011 7:15:04 PM , Rating: 1
I don't know Yash, honestly it wasn't really my point. I just commonly see Liberals on Daily Tech use excuses like "road taxes" and what not to justify even HIGHER gas prices or new gas taxes.

If 100% of the road taxes went to the roads and they were still falling apart, well fine, maybe we'll go there.


RE: Nanny Government
By scrapsma54 on 5/19/2011 3:32:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They need to just pick a fuel efficiency target and just let anyone buy any cab they want that meets that target. This is a huge waste of time and money.


This is one reason I like to play Bioshock, because It makes me realize I am a living in a free country and argue with Facists.


RE: Nanny Government
By Reclaimer77 on 5/19/2011 1:07:37 PM , Rating: 2
Basically the city is telling New Yorkers that they cannot operate a "high end hybrid" luxury taxi service. How can that possibly be legal?

People can make fun of the south all they want, but this kind of crap nanny government would have me packing my bags.


RE: Nanny Government
By FITCamaro on 5/19/2011 3:28:50 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I'll stay here in South Carolina where I can own and carry a gun, drive whatever the f*ck I want, not have the state telling me my car puts out too much emissions, and have a low cost of living. Shitty public schools? When the day comes when I have to worry about the quality of the schools, they won't be going to them anyway.


RE: Nanny Government
By scrapsma54 on 5/19/2011 5:25:23 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry FITcam, But I live in Myrtle beach, and this place blows.


RE: Nanny Government
By Reclaimer77 on 5/19/2011 7:07:19 PM , Rating: 2
Can you be more specific? How much of the "blowing" is because of the tourists?

I've been to Myrtle Beach a lot (of course), and it seems like a pretty nice place. Of course that's from the outside looking in, but still.


RE: Nanny Government
By snarfbot on 5/19/2011 10:15:22 PM , Rating: 2
well its a nice place to visit if your on the beach side of the strip, but the rest of the place is a slum.


RE: Nanny Government
By Jeffk464 on 5/19/2011 1:22:24 PM , Rating: 1
Because the crown vic v8 isn't that powerful and the car is ridiculously heavy. My 4.0 V6 Tacoma puts out more power than the crown vic.


taxis
By Richard875yh5 on 5/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: taxis
By VeauX on 5/19/2011 8:59:53 AM , Rating: 2
made in Mexico!


RE: taxis
By wordsworm on 5/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: taxis
By Jeffk464 on 5/19/2011 2:50:43 PM , Rating: 3
Honda is still at the top end of the reliability charts but Toyota has slipped down the list about 4-5 slots. As far as Tech goes a lot of the new "american" cars are being engineered in Germany and are actually ahead of the Japanese manufacturers now.


RE: taxis
By amanojaku on 5/19/2011 10:10:09 AM , Rating: 2
You might be surprised to learn this, but few cars fit the definition of "American". Many "American" cars and/or parts are assembled overseas, while many foreign cars and/or parts are assembled in America.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465005,00.html
http://www.ehow.com/about_5369365_cars-made-usa.ht...
http://www.all-about-car-selection.com/foreign-car...
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-12-12/us/american.car...


RE: taxis
By corduroygt on 5/19/2011 10:43:17 AM , Rating: 2
The list of all cars completely or partially made in the US:
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storag...


RE: taxis
By Nutzo on 5/19/2011 11:25:54 AM , Rating: 2
Problem with that list is that they don't seperate out made in Canada. Cars made in Canada do not employ Americans.

Most people who say buy American never stop and check what that actually means. They just assume American nameplates are made in America.

When I was shopping for a minivan a few years ago, the one that had the highest local content (i.e. made in the USA) was the Toyota. It also happens to be the one I bought.


RE: taxis
By sigmatau on 5/19/2011 12:41:07 PM , Rating: 2
You are 1 million % correct. When has Canada been part of the US?!? It pisses me off that we can't get a real breakdown of domestic and imports. Canada should not get special treatment. Mexico is not domestic, nor should any other country.

I hope everyone here understands that every single report will not separate Canada from US domestic parts. If anyone has a large/good list, by all means post it. This would be a huge change from every single report that I have seen over the past 10+ years.

Don't be fooled by the terribly misleading "domestic parts content" in these reports.


RE: taxis
By Jeffk464 on 5/19/2011 2:52:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah but Canadians are just so darn friendly, you cant help but not get upset that our cars are built there.


RE: taxis
By FITCamaro on 5/19/2011 3:34:21 PM , Rating: 2
Canada is like a loft apartment over a really great party.

QUIET DOWN DOWN THERE!


RE: taxis
By YashBudini on 5/19/2011 3:53:38 PM , Rating: 2
Hey Spuke.....


RE: taxis
By seraphim1982 on 5/19/2011 4:43:48 PM , Rating: 2
called free trade


RE: taxis
By Jeffk464 on 5/19/2011 2:53:19 PM , Rating: 2
The true pain in the ass of partially made in the US is the mix of metric and SAE parts, yuck.


RE: taxis
By Jeffk464 on 5/19/2011 1:25:56 PM , Rating: 2
An american vehicle designed by Mercedes like the Dodge Avenger. I must admit I rented one and they are damn nice handling cars. There major flaw is the dodge power train, they should have dropped the Mercedes power train into it.


RE: taxis
By Jeffk464 on 5/19/2011 3:33:02 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, when I said Avenger I meant to say Charger.


RE: taxis
By Jeffk464 on 5/19/2011 3:38:34 PM , Rating: 2
One more correction it sounds like Dodge might now have a decent V6 and a 5spd auto to replace the 4spd. If the new power train is as good as the chassis I think I would have to give the charger a thumbs up.


Too powerful?
By marvdmartian on 5/19/2011 8:09:32 AM , Rating: 2
More powerful than the Crown Vic they're replacing? Really??

Someone needs to take a long, hard look at the Taxi Commission, and see where they're coming up with this, if these guys don't get a waiver. Maybe take a really close look at some people's finances too.....as this smacks of payola.




RE: Too powerful?
By tng on 5/19/2011 8:19:22 AM , Rating: 5
Typical government commission, they really didn't know what they were asking for and didn't look fully into the consequences of their own directives.

They started by pushing cab owners to adopt hybrids some time ago. Chances are they were thinking Prius, but were not thinking Lexus. Now that people have bought Lexus Hybrids, not wimpy hybrids either, they are going to change the rules and are basically saying "Oh, well we didn't mean THAT type of hybrid!"


RE: Too powerful?
By ekv on 5/19/2011 4:46:22 PM , Rating: 1
The "too powerful" bit bugs me. What does that even mean? The stereo plays too loud? The cars image is too good? The paint job is too bright? The engine has too many horsepower? What?

http://www.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1060204...

"The TLC cites the Lexus models as being “too powerful,” but the RX 450h only makes 295 combined horsepower. Zero to sixty in the Lexus, under ideal conditions, comes up in just under eight seconds, which doesn’t seem significantly slower than a commercial duty Crown Vic driven in anger, as New York cabs tend to be."

A regular Crown Vic is, what, about 210 hp? Not a lot of difference. And please, the Nissan is so damn fugly ... allow the Lexus.


If we are going to control this kind of crap
By tayb on 5/19/2011 9:06:07 AM , Rating: 1
Why don't we control it for the benefit of an AMERICAN COMPANY. When are we going to stop pandering to foreign companies and protect American interests. Do we really think the rest of the world would do ANYTHING such as this? Do you think China would go with a foreign company? Hell no.




RE: If we are going to control this kind of crap
By Flunk on 5/19/2011 9:49:20 AM , Rating: 2
That's the other side of a free market. If you don't have a better product than your competition, you get crushed.


RE: If we are going to control this kind of crap
By kraeper on 5/19/2011 12:34:46 PM , Rating: 3
And one could even argue that the blind "buy american: it's american!" idea is what allowed domestic vehicles to suck so badly for so long. I know they are "getting better" .. but as already mentioned, they're also largely not american-made.


By Jeffk464 on 5/19/2011 3:05:26 PM , Rating: 2
Again, there are some top notch American cars these days. They are not just better. The 2012 ford focus has been consistently beating its competition in all the reviews I have read. The new Mustang and explorer are also getting highly rated. GM, well the CTS gets pretty good reviews but they are creeping up on the price of BMWs, but the corvette is pretty tough to beat in its price range.


Too powerful?
By GuinnessKMF on 5/19/2011 8:13:28 AM , Rating: 1
The Lexus cab is too powerful? Bullshit. There's some politics in play here that are not being discussed.




RE: Too powerful?
By Regs on 5/19/11, Rating: 0
RE: Too powerful?
By FITCamaro on 5/19/2011 3:36:21 PM , Rating: 1
Or just don't live in a crappy place like NYC.


RE: Too powerful?
By YashBudini on 5/19/2011 3:58:29 PM , Rating: 2
Have ever even considered what the list of advantages are? I'm not saying you'd agree with them, but such statements are awfully 1 sided.


RE: Too powerful?
By YashBudini on 5/20/2011 3:28:27 PM , Rating: 2
Seems there's a lot of haters in the rater crowd as well.


Probably considered an unfair advantage
By ctodd on 5/19/2011 9:05:10 AM , Rating: 2
Very likely the other taxi fleets complained that the Luxury vehicles would give the others an unfair advantage. I'm sure there is some lobbying going on. Of course they aren't going to come out and say that.




By JediJeb on 5/19/2011 12:37:49 PM , Rating: 3
Makes me wonder if this is a company versus independent thing going on here also. Big cab companies are going to so with cheaper vehicles while and independent cabbie may want the luxury ride to set him apart. If the companies lose fares to the independents they they are going to try whatever they can to knock them out of that position.


Yes, this is dirty
By amanojaku on 5/19/2011 9:58:14 AM , Rating: 2
And, yes, it's perfectly legal. Here's the thing, these Lexus models were purchased when they were on the approved cars list in October of 2008:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/downloads/pdf/industry...

Therein lies the rub. It's 2011; the Taxi and Limousine Commission has the right to retire cars every 3-7 years, with this being the end of the third year for the Lexus.

Personally, I think something stinks. Mayor Bloomberg, ever the crusader in search of green (money, er, I mean, a cleaner Earth), awarded Nissan the 10-year exclusive contract. The Lexus certainly has more HP than the Nissan (over twice as much, and it should, since it's also heavier), but its fuel consumption is pretty competitive. The Nissan does 25MPG; the Lexus is rated at 30MPG! Even if it's only 20-25MPG in practice, that would be equivalent to the NV200. What gives? Why the exclusive contract when in the past we had a choice of cars? Let the drivers choose between a cheap car and a comfortable ride!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/04/idUS2814...
http://www.thedailygreen.com/living-green/blogs/ca...
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/09q1/2010_...
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/nissa...




RE: Yes, this is dirty
By tng on 5/19/2011 10:26:46 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
The Nissan does 25MPG; the Lexus is rated at 30MPG! Even if it's only 20-25MPG in practice....


Wanted to look that up but got busy. You would think that if they were pushing this to be "Green", they would set a minimum MPG and let it go. Guess that is not what they want. Sounds like a social engineering project combined with payola to me.....


more to it?
By rzrshrp on 5/19/2011 8:17:48 AM , Rating: 2
When I try to find my own source for this, all I see is "too powerful" in quotes. There may be more to their reasoning aside from that. I don't like quotes with no context.




RE: more to it?
By YashBudini on 5/19/2011 4:00:35 PM , Rating: 2
A wonderful example of synaptic activity.


To really address the dangers
By YashBudini on 5/20/2011 3:36:35 PM , Rating: 3
The commission should be looking at limo drivers in their 20's, they are abolutely insane, a far bigger danger than any "too powerful" cab.




This Is Probably...
By mmatis on 5/19/2011 12:09:09 PM , Rating: 2
just another of those reasons why 30 year-olds and younger are flocking to New York...




By BZDTemp on 5/19/2011 12:38:01 PM , Rating: 2
"Later, four more Lexus taxi drivers were added to the list, including Sushil Maggoo, Neil Newmark, Shmuel Poper and Ilya Atanelov. " :-)




toooo powerful
By PaulTheCabDriver on 5/19/2011 9:36:22 PM , Rating: 2
Yes the Lexus is far too powerful. 268hp V-6 vs. 250 hp V-8 in a Crown Vic. And with the lighter curb weight the Lexus probably does have a better power to weight ratio. That said, who cares what a NYC cab driver drives, and why force people to drive something? Limiting the market to just ONE vehicle, furthermore, provides a great disincentive for quality. Why compete on quality if your product is being forced into use? Nissan could get sloppy and lazy on this new particular vehicle. God knows Nissan got sloppy with that piece of junk minivan the Quest. And what happens if Nissan goes bankrupt? Or determines the "cab of the future" is not in their future? Then what?
You know what is too powerful? The NYC taxi and limo commission. I think that the city of New York, in the interest of safety and quality, should immediately ban Taxi and Limo Commissions from the city!
The city of Phoenix Arizona, where I own my cab company (http://www.paulstaxi.com ) has NO taxi and limo commission and we get along just fine. New York would do well to emulate us out here in the "wild West".




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