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New GeForce 7100GS, 7900GS and 7950GT

NVIDIA is set to release three new products in the coming weeks to do battle with ATI during the holiday season. This time around NVIDIA is launching new mid-range and entry level offerings to take on ATI’s recently launched Radeon X1300XT, X1650 Pro, X1900XT 256MB, X1950XTX and X1950 CrossFire. NVIDIA’s new offerings arrive in the form of the GeForce 7100GS, 7900GS and 7950GT.

At the entry level side of things NVIDIA is replacing its GeForce 6200TC with a new GeForce 7100GS. The G72 based 7100GS retains Turbo Cache support like the GeForce 6200TC it replaces. There will be 128MB of onboard memory which translates into 512MB effective memory with NVIDIA’s Turbo Cache technology. The GeForce 7100GS is also backed by a 64-bit memory interface with compatibility with DDR2 memory. Four pixel shader units are available on the GeForce 7100GS. Core clock of the GeForce 7100GS is set at a rather conservative 350 MHz. NVIDIA SLI and PureVideo technologies are supported by the GeForce 7100GS, though it lacks the SLI bridge connector.

Moving up is the retail NVIDIA GeForce 7900GS. Previously the GeForce 7900GS was only available as an OEM offering from system manufacturers such as Dell. Woot also had OEM versions of the MSI GeForce 7900GS for sale at $139 a pop a couple days ago as well. Specifications for the retail GeForce 7900GS are identical to the OEM versions. A 450 MHz core clock is joined by a 1.32 GHz memory clock. It’s also equipped with 20 pixel shader units and 256MB of graphics memory. Support for HDCP is dependant on individual graphics card manufacturers.

Dell has been selling the 7900GS in its XPS systems for some time, but you cannot buy the cards individually.

At the upper spectrum of NVIDIA’s mid-range lineup is the GeForce 7950GT. Sporting a 550 MHz core clock and 1.4 GHz memory clock the GeForce 7950GT is a successor to the previous GeForce 7900GT. Memory size has increased to 512MB with the GeForce 7950GT., The GeForce 7950GT will also have 24 pixel shader units like the previous GeForce 7900GT. HDCP compliance and dual dual-link DVI outputs are standard on all GeForce 7950GT cards as well.

SLI technology is supported on the GeForce 7900GS and 7950GT. Availability of GeForce 7100GS, 7900GS and 7950GT cards are expected in the first half of September for for less than $100, $199 and $299 respectively.


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G80...
By Nightmare225 on 8/25/2006 2:18:46 PM , Rating: 4
G80, G80, G80, G80, G80, G80, G80, G80...

Do you think this subliminal message is working? ;)




RE: G80...
By mendocinosummit on 8/25/2006 2:59:57 PM , Rating: 1
I thought the G80 was going to be released in less than two months? Why are they releasing these?


RE: G80...
By Josh7289 on 8/25/2006 3:26:32 PM , Rating: 2
Because G80 is going to be some ultra high end GPU. These refreshes serve the vast majority of the rest of us quite well.

Besides, early DX10 cards are going to suck for DX10.


RE: G80...
By Smurfer2 on 8/25/2006 3:45:41 PM , Rating: 1
I hope not and I still want a G80. :( I hope that message of yours works.

Wait wait wait, G80 ultra high end? The 7900GS does not replace the 7900GT and the 7950GT is just an attempt to unseat ATI. Right? I mean, the G80 is a whole new core, so I hope this is just trying to keep pace with ATi.


RE: G80...
By RussianSensation on 8/25/2006 4:02:34 PM , Rating: 3
Yes but...take 9700Pro for example, the first 9.0 card. It was a really fast card for its time and even 9800Pro was not worth the upgrade from 9700pro. It was 2x faster than geforce 4 when it got released and was still faster than the 6 months late 5800 series. It wasn't amazing for later DX9 games, you are right, but it still delivered 1024x768 doom 3 experience and ate all the DX8.1 games for breakfast.

In fact with R600 being a unified shader tech, should make it a lot faster in all current DX9 titles and still be good enough for early DX10 titles. Whether or not DX10 titles will take a year or longer as with DX9 titles remains to be seen, but remember that next gen cards will be probably 2x faster in all new dx9 graphics heavy titles such as U2k7, ET: Quake Wars, Crysis and COD3 where 7900 and x1900 series will start to struggle.



RE: G80...
By hadifa on 8/25/2006 7:16:30 PM , Rating: 2
I second that.

9700 pro was a sweet, sweet card. It was amazing from the beginning and it kept improving by driver releases.


RE: G80...
By sxr7171 on 8/25/2006 10:31:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah 9700pro was a sick card. I almost regret selling mine, that thing was the best. It really put ATI back on the map at a time when it seemed that nVidia was going to make a 3DFX out of them.


RE: G80...
By Hare on 8/26/2006 5:33:00 AM , Rating: 2
Dont' forget the 9500 cards with 9700 pcb. Easy to mod to 9700. Can't beat the value. I also had a 9700, great card.

Hard to imagine seeing another leap like the one with 9700 (GeForce4 -> 9700).


RE: G80...
By Jedi2155 on 8/26/2006 5:34:41 PM , Rating: 2
I can't agree more, I had a 9700 pro for almost 3 years before I finally succumbed to the upgrade urge.


RE: G80...
By mykelu on 9/3/2006 1:09:43 AM , Rating: 3
Crysis will use DX10 by the way, so next gen cards will make the game look shinier ;D


RE: G80...
By FITCamaro on 8/27/2006 5:20:51 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe Nvidias are since their architecture doesn't use Unified Shaders as DX10 calls for. However ATIs does so it should run DX10 just fine.


RE: G80...
By coldpower27 on 8/29/2006 4:48:48 PM , Rating: 4
Unified Shaders aren't a necessary feature to be DX10 Compliant. We will have to see how fast each implementation is.


RE: G80...
By Crusader on 8/29/2006 6:12:06 PM , Rating: 2
You'll see the R600 being equal or faster than the G80 in native DX10 apps.. which wont exist for years and years on mass scale until UE4.0/Source2/Doom4 engines are released.

While G80 will be able to run DX10 games in all their glory, while providing vastly superior legacy DX9 support due to having specialized, efficient shaders that require no driver coding and/or balancing schemes to weigh out what each application is demanding for vertex/pixel shading at a given moment in-game.

G80 will most likely be the best card considering what will be the longevity of the DX9 era..
ponder the fact that we dont even have Unreal Tournament 2007 (UE3).. quite possibly the most influencial and important game engine "series" available.. and you will see that there will very few DX10 games.

Even Dark Messiah of Might and Magic is Source-based. The vast majority of people wont have fast DX10 cards for years, nor is Vista exactly a hit either.. DX9 will be here for quite a while as theres a lot of life in the efficient and beautiful Source/Doom3/UnrealEngine3.0 based games.


RE: G80...
By SyK on 8/31/2006 2:12:42 PM , Rating: 2
And you don't think anybody will drop in DX10 to UE3/Source/Doom3? Given the huge majority of changes are in shaders?

Overly pessimistic!

That said, voted "Worth a read" for the first time, at least you have a reasonably informed opinion. But please do not underestimate the motivation of developers, what % do you think even had "fast" DX8 cards these days, yet here we are with 10?...


RE: G80...
By SyK on 8/31/2006 2:14:05 PM , Rating: 2
Wait, apparently I cannot post here and still vote for one? How weird! Apologies... But nonetheless, consider yourself that little bit respected. ;)


Anh Huynh or anyone else at DT
By Chillin1248 on 8/25/2006 8:24:26 PM , Rating: 4
Can the good people at DT please show how Nvidia and ATI want their retail lineup to look now, because right now I am finding the following cards for sale/to be sold:


7100 GS
7300 SE
7300 LE
7300 GS
7300 GT
7500 LE
7600 LE
7600 GS
7600 GST
7600 GT
7800 SE (OEM?)
7800 LE (OEM?)
7800 XT (OEM?)
7800 GS
7800 ZT (OEM?)
7800 LT (OEM?)
7800 GT
7800 GTX
7800 GTX (Ultra) 512MB
7800 GX2
7900 GS
7900 GT
7900 GTO
7950 GT
7900 GTX
7900 GX2
7950 GX2


Also over at ATIs side:

X1300
X1300 Pro
X1300 XT
X1550
X1600 Pro
X1600 XT
X1650 Pro
X1650 XT
X1800 GTO
X1800 XL
X1800 XT
X1800 Crossfire Edition
X1900 GT
X1900 Pro
X1900 AIW
X1900 XT 256MB
X1900 XT 512MB
X1900 XTX
X1950 XT
X1950 XTX
X1900 Crossfire Edition
X1950 Crossfire Edition


And it is getting quite squishy up here, I mean a lot of these cards conflict with each others price points and it is getting really confusing to sort this out.




RE: Anh Huynh or anyone else at DT
By shabby on 8/25/2006 10:37:29 PM , Rating: 2
You're forgetting that a lot of those cards are phased out, i dont think the x1800 and 7800 series is even made anymore.


RE: Anh Huynh or anyone else at DT
By jordanclock on 8/26/2006 1:50:18 AM , Rating: 1
The 7800 and X1800 series are very much still made. I would venture to say more of those are made than the higher end 7900/X1900. It's a simple matter of supply and demand. It's easier to make the lower end GPUs (which are bought more) than the higher end. I mean, Dell, HP, Gateway, etc. generally don't put out large numbers of computers with anything more powerful than mid-range, and low-cost, low-performance is still the most populous of cards amongst pre-builts.


By OvErHeAtInG on 8/26/2006 12:35:57 PM , Rating: 2
It's easier to make the lower end GPUs (which are bought more) than the higher end.

That's precisely why the X1800XT has been phased out, and is probably no longer in prod... The X1900 GT performs almost as well, and is cheaper to make. Similarly, the 7900 GT performs better than a 7800 GTX and is far less expensive - so why would they still manufacture it?


RE: Anh Huynh or anyone else at DT
By Doormat on 8/25/2006 10:37:45 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed... I'm trying to figure out what PCIE card I am going to buy to go with my Conroe rig next month and I'm looking at everything from an x1650 to a 7900GS.


RE: Anh Huynh or anyone else at DT
By Sharky974 on 8/26/2006 5:16:29 AM , Rating: 3
No, many of those are NOT being made anymore. 7800 series, X1800 series, etc.

Why would Nvidia still make 7800 cards? They're on 130 nm process. 7900 are on 90nm. 7800 are basically the same design, but cost a lot more and burn more heat and power than the same card in a 7900 would, and cant clock anywhere near as high either. Makes no sense.

You still see them for sale only because there is a lot of backlogged inventory still out there. Same with ATI's old cards. Ati generally only manufactors 5 cards at a time I believe, as they divide the market into five segments (aka high end segment, mainstream performance segment, names like that). High end would be the X1950XTX, mainstream performance the X1900GT, and so on. Nvidia does something similar I'm sure. Right now I cant lay out exactly what cards fit in what segment because both companies just re-jiggered their lineups and I'm not familiar with them yet.





By coldpower27 on 8/29/2006 4:56:59 PM , Rating: 2
To me there is only 3 segments, though I guess you can call ATI having 5 different cores now.

R580 is the highest tier
RV570
RV560
RV535 80nm shrink of RV530
RV505 80nm shrink of RV515

Nvidia only has 3 cores.

G71 High End
G73 Mainstream
G72 Low End



RE: Anh Huynh or anyone else at DT
By JaredExtreme on 8/26/2006 11:59:10 AM , Rating: 2
I hope ATI keeps adding more "X"'es to their products, it's really cool !



(this coming from an ATI user) ;)


RE: Anh Huynh or anyone else at DT
By OvErHeAtInG on 8/26/2006 12:39:01 PM , Rating: 3
This also comes from an ATI user... they have to stop with the X's already. :p Remember when it was just Radeon 8500? Or better yet Geforce 3? That was cool. Names are now far too long.


RE: Anh Huynh or anyone else at DT
By JNo on 8/26/2006 2:32:41 PM , Rating: 1
um... heard of sarcasm?


By kingpotnoodle on 8/27/2006 2:04:56 AM , Rating: 3
Its completely mad... how the hell is anyone supposed to work it out?

Can't they just stick to numbers at least, say the 7900, 7910, 7920 etc etc

There is plenty of numbers there to use!!

At least then we'd know higher number = better performance. Easier to shop...

Personally though, if they don't, I'll save for a X7950GX2GT... And nobody will know what the hell I have...


STILL no AA + HDR...
By beepandbop on 8/25/2006 2:20:14 PM , Rating: 3
Its cool for nVidia fanboys that these new cool cards came out.
Especially the 7950GT. 512MB of v-ram should let the new 7950GT OC to 7900GTX speeds and not lose to the 7900GTXs larger v-ram.
Smart move by nVidia. But I'm still waiting for AA + HDR...
Are they serious by reserving it for only DX10 cards.




RE: STILL no AA + HDR...
By RussianSensation on 8/25/2006 2:58:49 PM , Rating: 3
"But I'm still waiting for AA + HDR... "

You'll probably get same performance as the 550/1400 24 pipe 7900GT from X1900XT 256mb card for $279 and get your AA + HDR too.

With 580/1580 EVGA card at $290 on Newegg, its interesting how the 550/1400 512mb version will sell given that Nvidia cards do not benefit from 512mb as much as ATI cards do. I would have rather had a 650/1600 256mb 7950 GT vs. 550/1400 512mb card.


RE: STILL no AA + HDR...
By dead1ne on 8/28/2006 5:52:38 AM , Rating: 2
512MB doesn't make a difference at lower resolutions but at 1920x1200(me) it makes a huge difference. I still haven't upgraded from my 6800gt though because prices are too high. The first one to release a good card at 512MB for $200 or less is what I'll buy.


RE: STILL no AA + HDR...
By coldpower27 on 8/29/2006 4:50:51 PM , Rating: 2
The R520/R580 architecture benefit from 512MB VRAM across the board, not just limited to high resolution areas.

Nvidia's on the other hand generally haven't benefited as much, I just hope this product is competitive to the X1900 XT 256.


check woot
By collegeguypat on 8/25/2006 2:48:23 PM , Rating: 2
If you check the site www.woot.com they just offered up a release of the msi 7900gs for $135 yesterday. It has all the specs and people in the forums linked to all kinds of benchmarks, etc. Just a heads up.




RE: check woot
By RussianSensation on 8/25/2006 3:00:02 PM , Rating: 2
wow, that's like getting a 7800GT for $140! which cost $399 June 2005.


RE: check woot
By Josh7289 on 8/25/2006 3:25:29 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, but with a 90 day warranty.


RE: check woot
By JeffDM on 8/26/2006 12:58:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah, but with a 90 day warranty.


I don't remember ever having a video card fail on me unless it's very, very old, so I can't say this is really a problem. Three months should be plenty of time to get through the infant mortality phase. I did have a dead PCI video card that I tried a few months ago, but that one was made before AGP existed and probably incompatible with the newest versions of the PCI standard.


G80
By FXi on 8/26/2006 10:15:07 PM , Rating: 2
Yep I'm singing the song as well. Don't know where this chip is but I'm basically ignoring Nvidia news that doesn't include anything about G80. So /twirl again this news is of no interest :p




RE: G80
By Hare on 8/27/2006 10:39:36 AM , Rating: 2
When the G80 is out it's high end with a hefty pricetag. Most people will just ignore it and stick to mainstream cards like this new 7900GS.


RE: G80
By s12033722 on 8/28/2006 10:47:46 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget that releases of a high-end core are almost always accompanied by a new midrange card that equals the old high-end cards for speed.


RE: G80
By coldpower27 on 8/29/2006 4:59:01 PM , Rating: 2
The 7800 GT was released in August about 1-2 months after the 7800 GTX.

So expect the "8800 GTX" or whatever to be a loner for awhile, though it would be nice if Nvidia launched in all segments at the same time.


SLI - 7900GT and 7950GT
By hstewarth on 8/25/2006 2:22:13 PM , Rating: 2
I am curious if its possible to SLI a 7900GT and 7950GT on same box?




RE: SLI - 7900GT and 7950GT
By Nightmare225 on 8/25/2006 2:42:21 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think so. They look like they used slightly different architecture. hence the new HDCP support.


RE: SLI - 7900GT and 7950GT
By aka1nas on 8/25/2006 2:57:44 PM , Rating: 2
Yes you can, as they are the same GPU/featureset. The HDCP implementation must be not on the GPU as it is the same chip as the 7900GT. You can technically mix cards with different amounts of video memory in SLI, but you lose the extra memory of the larger card.


DX10
By Doughboy on 8/25/2006 5:13:01 PM , Rating: 2
Don't expect to see DX10 cards (G80 & R600) until Feb. or March of next year.
2 reasons:
Microsoft Vista won't be out until then and
Video cards seem to be on a 6 month refresh cycle.
6 months from now = late Feb. or early March.




RE: DX10
By Sharky974 on 8/26/2006 5:09:15 AM , Rating: 3
Wrong.

This is not a refresh anyway. It's just old cards in different clock/pipes disabled configs with new names and lowered prices, to better compete with ATI's "new" offerings (which aren't really new either, (although at least the X1950 gets new memory).

And didn't ATI come out with X1900GT way less than six months ago? (again, though, not a new product).

To be called a refresh proper in my mind you at the very least need to up the clocks on the highest end part. That's the cycle. Brand new cards every 12 months, clock speed increases/tweaks six months after that.

This is just lineup re-jiggering by both parties.

The G80 is supposedly possibly scheduled in October or November. General thought is R600 from Ati will be released in November or later. Beyond that not much is known.





What's the point of a 7100gs?
By shabodah on 8/25/2006 3:04:52 PM , Rating: 2
There are already two 4 pixel pipe 7 series cards out there, why bother with another? Not to mention you can now get a 12 pipe, 7 series card for $85.




By Master Kenobi (blog) on 8/25/2006 4:10:05 PM , Rating: 2
This is to compete with the newly deployed low cost ATI cards.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q3/radeon-x1950x...


Holy Jeebus!
By oneils on 8/25/2006 2:21:52 PM , Rating: 2
Yowza, I think I am undergoing a serious case of video card release (announcements) fatigue...




in for 1
By inthell on 8/25/2006 4:10:56 PM , Rating: 2
im in for a 7900GS if it goes on sale for ~ $170




7950
By Chernobyl68 on 8/25/2006 6:39:11 PM , Rating: 2
I think there are a lot of people who will confuse this 7950 with the 2-space monster card...





XFX 7900GS
By dragonvaloo on 8/28/2006 6:27:32 PM , Rating: 2
I just emailed XFX after spotting a 7900GS with their branding on it at DirectCanada.com.

Sir,

We'll have information on the 7900GS uploaded to our site shortly. The
card is brand new, and basically the only diference is that the 7900GT has
24 pixel pipelines while the GS has 20. Let us know if there are any
further concerns.

Thanks,
XFX




Hurray!
By Tsuwamono on 9/1/2006 2:07:09 PM , Rating: 1
Sweet, more stuff for ATI to beat the crap out of. Keep it coming Nvidia, i like it when you come slightly close to ATI and they come out with something for me thats way better.

:)




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