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NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX+   (Source: PC Perspective)
So where are the stickers with Calvin peeing on ATI cards?

NVIDIA rolled out a new GPU-- rather quietly-- called the GeForce 9800 GTX+ that it intends to do battle with the Radeon HD 4850 from rival ATI. NVIDIA says that the 9800 GTX+ is based on the G92 9800 GTX GPU that has been on the market for a while now.

The 9800 GTX+ reference cards have a shader clock of 1836 MHz and a graphics clock of 738 MHz. The new GTX+ GPU supports PhysX on the GPU and supports CUDA-based applications as well. CUDA-based applications include Folding@Home and Badaboom video transcoding.

The GPU supports both 2-way and 3-way SLI -- just as the original 9800 GTX does. NVIDIA claims that when pitted against the Radeon HD 4850, the GTX+ is on average 22% faster than the 4850. NVIDIA’s reviewers guide for the 9800 GTX+ shows that the card can deliver 30 fps on Crysis at 1920 x 1280 resolution verses about 27 fps for the HD 4850. PhysX on the 9800 GTX+ is supported with driver version 177.39. NVIDIA also claims that the PhysX capability of the 9800 GTX+ gives a noticeable performance boost on 3DMark Vantage CPU test 2 to the tune of a 7.5 times gain.

Perhaps the best news for gamers looking for a video card that performs well, but doesn’t cost a fortune is that the 9800 GTX+ card will retail for $229. The old 9800 GTX drops to a price of only $199, making for a great performance for price bargain considering the card was over $300 a few weeks ago.

One more important note on the 9800 GTX+ GPU is that it is built using a 55nm refresh of the original G92 core in the 9800 GTX, which was built using 65nm process. Unconfirmed rumors point to a July 16 launch for the 9800 GTX+.

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Same old ...
By MAIA on 6/20/2008 12:17:32 PM , Rating: 5
9800 GTX+ = 8800 revision number 3




RE: Same old ...
By chaos386 on 6/20/2008 3:01:38 PM , Rating: 5
It kinda makes you wonder what the point of the GTX 2x0 series is when the only Nvidia cards worth buying are all still G92-based.


RE: Same old ...
By ImSpartacus on 6/20/2008 9:40:33 PM , Rating: 3
I agree. It's funny that the same core that came in the 8800GT nearly a year ago is still challenging next gen stuff.

g92 was a knockout.


RE: Same old ...
By Lakku on 6/23/2008 11:50:04 PM , Rating: 2
Simple. The GTX 200 series of cards are a flexing of nVidia's engineering muscle. It is on the market as a purely symbolic statement of what nVidia can do. nVidia knows this, thus the fantastic cards, for GAMING, that come from the G92 based products. ATi is competing in this market, and it's great they are competative once again. However, the GTX 200 series is a shot at Intel and the upcoming GPGPU 'wars' I think are coming, not for runnig your games, but for runnig render farms, compute intensive applications, and other professionally designated applications. Eventually, some of that power will come down to gaming levels, but I believe nVidia is positioning themselves to be more than a gaming card company now a days, as they don't have a CPU business like Intel and AMD have.


RE: Same old ...
By Emryse on 6/26/2008 5:08:26 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry - but ATI is not competing. They're just existing in the same marketplace - barely.

Competition occurs when a company can match a rival company's product with same or similar speeds, at the same time, with the same generation of tech, and at the same or similar costs.

ATI is certainly not doing these things. They are making products that cost more, perform less, are late-in-coming, and generationally behind.

NVIDIA is putting refits of their old G92 base because they are proving that they can compete with "current-gen ATI" using their "past-gen NVIDIA". Anyone working for ATI should be ashamed.

NVIDIA could release a next-gen product at any time, just as Intel is absolutely spanking AMD in the CPU market and therefore had to artificially slow their product release time table.

It's called leveraging competitive advantage for max profit margin - and NVIDIA is playing this hand smartly.


RE: Same old ...
By gochichi on 6/27/2008 12:59:11 AM , Rating: 2
You're kidding right? You think Nvidia is sitting on some "next gen" part and just getting pummeled by ATI right now for no particular reason?

FYI, the smaller the nanometer the process, the cheaper it is to produce and the higher the profit margin. So ATI has been milking their 55nm process for some time now, while NVIDIA is still 65nm (barely moving to 55nm now). So a Radeon HD 3870 was CHEAPER to make than a 8800GT... same goes for the 4850 and 4870 but even more so because NVIDIA's latest stuff is exceedingly expensive to make (and to buy for that matter).

You are very poorly informed, NVIDIA just released their "Next-gen". It is quite costly and performs only slightly better than ATI's very releasonably priced stuff.

When NVIDIA was winning on performance, many (not I) overlooked the absolute lack of features on NVIDIA's cards... DirectX 10.1 is the only ETHICAL thing to manufacture right now, yet NVIDIA is still pushing outdated DX10 hardware out of their factories... effectively stalling software development as much as they can. HDMI audio... yes, some of us have current monitors and HDTVs... and yes, it's hell of a lot more convenient to get audio from HDMI.

Thank God for this non competitive company, because were it not for ATI, there wouldnt' even be video acceleration in NVIDIA's lineup.

I'd like to think I am not a fanboy. Nvidia WAS outperforming ATI, but right now, ATI is absolutely troucing NVIDIA. I wouldn't touch an NVIDIA card with a stick right now. (In great part because they are so archaic in their features, not a performance issue so much).

I am really proud of myself for not using bad language. It was difficult, but I made it through.


RE: Same old ...
By MonkeyPaw on 6/20/2008 10:45:28 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
9800 GTX+ = 8800 revision number 3


...and STILL no DX10.1.


RE: Same old ...
By ImSpartacus on 6/22/2008 10:38:55 AM , Rating: 2
I disagree. g92 was basically another generation. When you have a midrange card competing with a high end card (8800GT -> 8800GTX), it isn't a revision, it's just bad naming.


RE: Same old ...
By Dasickninja on 6/27/2008 3:58:25 PM , Rating: 2
A few new features, a generation does not make. The 9800GTX+ is little more than a feature heavy G80.


RE: Same old ...
By xRyanCat on 6/23/2008 2:15:13 PM , Rating: 2
The games that take advantage of DirectX 10.1--Assassin's Creed is the only one I know--don't offer anything revolutionary. Incremental improvements in Anti-Aliasing and other things are present but since it's backwards compatible with DX 10.0 it's far from a deal breaker and should be pretty low on the list of things to consider.


RE: Same old ...
By Lakku on 6/23/2008 11:57:27 PM , Rating: 2
Show me the benefits of DX10.1, and any games using them. I'm not even sure DX10 has really taken off other than to add some extra effects that are more difficult, but not impossible to do in DX9. DX10.1 also caused other problems in Assassins Creed, though I would think these are fixed by now. If many devs aren't taking full advantage of DX10, why worry about DX10.1? Seems most PC games now a days are extentions of console games anyway, to which you can get away with, mostly, DX9. The biggest reason I use DX10 is more subtle, namely better shadowing and better, more realistic light source behaviour/water behaviour, and for a handful of games, namely Bioshock, Crysis, the upcoming STALKER Clear Sky (at least they talk a good game), and a couple others.


RE: Same old ...
By BruceLeet on 6/24/2008 11:10:45 AM , Rating: 3
Nvidia with no DX10.1 its obvious, they are not including 10.1 so the headless noobs that pay attention only to their marketing schemes will buy a 10.1 card when it comes out.

Any video game company will soon say "We are taking advantage of 10.1 in this title ...etc" and Nvidia will go "Time to include 10.1 to make those sales". AMD already has it, so last gen hardware owners will take advantage of next-gen games. Nvidia doesnt want to include it so they will make money when it is implemented mainstream, its a business practice/marketing scheme, that like I said...headless noobs fall for.


RE: Same old ...
By gochichi on 6/27/2008 1:05:54 AM , Rating: 2
They are headless noobs... but you are brilliant.

10.1 is simply the current spec, not making the current spec is backwards and unethical. If we didn't care about features on our video cards, we'd just run Intel graphics.

But since we do, and 10.1 is the current spec, NVIDIA's refusal to meet the spec means NVIDIA doesn't get my business. This was less of a problem when NVIDIA was outperforming ATI, but now that ATI is beating NVIDIA on both features AND performance, it is silly to argue that DX 10 is better that 10.1.

That's just silly, you're silly. Whenever there's a shift in leadership, you see the fanboys come out of the dark, and you sir, are a fact-ignoring-fanboy.

If there was a 10.2 spec, I would expect the hardware companies to follow it, simple as that.


RE: Same old ...
By BruceLeet on 6/27/2008 2:05:24 PM , Rating: 2
Swing and a miss


Wow
By therealnickdanger on 6/20/2008 12:09:16 PM , Rating: 5
The competition is just becoming outrageous. The amount of graphics power you can buy for under $250 is just ridiculous, and it's not like these are mid-level cards even, these are incredibly powerful performers.

For the games I play, I'm not sure I'll need to go beyond my HD3850 for a long time, but it's good to know that the replacement card will be CHEAP yet not suck.




RE: Wow
By tallcool1 on 6/20/2008 12:29:21 PM , Rating: 5
You can thank AMD/ATI for this one. Without the 4850 coming to market at a fantastic price/performance ratio, the 9800GTX price wouldn't have dropped like a rock. Obviously nVidia is doing it to save face and try to not lose market share. Makes me wonder with a 1/3rd price reduction, is nVidia still making a profit on the 9800GTX?


RE: Wow
By nosfe on 6/20/2008 12:34:57 PM , Rating: 3
from what i've read(rumors) the 4850 die is smaller than that of a 9800gtx+ so lets have a price war!


RE: Wow
By Slappi on 6/21/08, Rating: -1
RE: Wow
By Wirmish on 6/21/2008 12:25:33 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Originally Posted by Slappi, 09-Jun-2008, 22:26
You guys didn't learn your lesson from the 2900 fiasco.
Same pre launch hype all based on rumors.
Everyone looked stupid launch day.
Guess we are all in for a repeat.

Are you the same Slappi ?

Look at this -> http://tinyurl.com/5dwvvs
G92 = ~324mm²
G92b = ~270mm²
RV770 = ~256mm²

ATi is clearly the winner here !


RE: Wow