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GTX 480M in MXM card
NVIDIA will use crippled desktop chip for its mobile offerings

ATI has had a lot of success with its DirectX 11 desktop cards since they first launched in September of last year, and continued that trend by introducing mobile variants in January. Although not as fast as their desktop brethren, the mobile parts still provided superior performance to anything else out there.

NVIDIA struck back with their first desktop DirectX 11 parts at the beginning of April, trying to win market share despite lagging the graphics division of AMD by six months. The GTX 480 and 470 were the first cards to use GF100 GPUs utilizing the company's Fermi architecture, but mainstream Fermi variants have still not appeared on roadmaps.

Nevertheless, NVIDIA has a lot of extra capacity thanks to TSMC's resolution of manufacturing problems on their 40nm process. This will enable them to begin launching the first mobile GTX 480M parts with laptop OEM Clevo beginning in the middle of June.

The GTX 480M will use the same GF100 chip used in desktops, but "customized to fit into the notebook thermal budget". This is a very good thing since the desktop GTX 480 has a Thermal Design Power of 250 watts. Cutting the clock speeds and number of CUDA cores significantly reduces power consumption, while reducing the size of the memory interface to 256 bits allows a reduction in the amount of GDDR5 memory required.

The connectors used on a notebook will be up to OEMs, but the GPU has DVI/LVDS support up to 2048x1536, analog VGA support up to 2048x1536, and DisplayPort support up to 2560x1600. HDMI 1.4 is also supported, using the same LVDS connection.

Although NVIDIA's Optimus technology is supported for the GTX 480M, it may not be very popular with OEMs since it will most likely be paired with mobile Core i7 CPUs without any integrated graphics. However, the GTX 480M will be available in a MXM package as well for those users who wish to upgrade older mobile graphics cards.

Proprietary NVIDIA technologies like CUDA, PhysX, and 3D Vision are supported, but OpenCL and OpenGL 3.2 are supported as well. SLI support is also available for those OEMs that are willing to pair two of these monsters together.

Pricing has not yet been announced.


GeForce GTX 470

 GeForce GTX 480

 GeForce GTX 480M

CUDA Cores

448

480

352

Texture Units

56

60

44

ROP Units

40

48

32

Graphics Clock
(Fixed Function Units)

607 MHz

700 MHz

425 MHz

Processor Clock (CUDA Cores)

1215 MHz

1401 MHz

850 MHz

Memory Clock
(Clock rate / Data rate)

837 MHz / 3348 MHz

924 MHz / 3696 MHz

600 MHz /2400 MHz

Total Video Memory

1280 MB

1536 MB

1024 MB

Memory Interface

320-bit

384-bit

256-bit

Total Memory Bandwidth

133.9 GB/s

177.4 GB/s

76.8 GB/s

Texture Filtering Rate

34.0 GigaTexels/sec

42.0 GigaTexels/sec

18.7 GigaTexels/sec

Fabrication Process

40 nm

40 nm

40 nm

 



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Can I get one of these for the desktop?
By mattclary on 5/26/2010 9:14:21 AM , Rating: 1
Sounds like it will perform well but not run hot enough to grill a steak on.




RE: Can I get one of these for the desktop?
By leuNam on 5/26/2010 9:20:12 AM , Rating: 2
It may not be enough to catch up with AMD...

ever hear about Nvidia's GPU chip failures on laptops...no recalls but is at a industry wide scale....

Nvidia has been quite silent about it....


RE: Can I get one of these for the desktop?
By flurazepam on 5/26/2010 11:50:15 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
ever hear about Nvidia's GPU chip failures on laptops...no recalls but is at a industry wide scale....


Dell publicly announced the failures and offered to repair the affected units. http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/b/direct2d... I've had 3 Dell-tops fail, and yes, 3 times each due to the chip melting.

Now, don't get me wrong, I really, really like this new 480M, but my Spidey sense is still tingling. Also, I don't think I can handle another Dell/Support debacle.

Me: Hi, my nVidia chip is fried.
Support: My name is #####, is your computer turned on?
Me: My nVidia chip is fried.
Support: Are you connected to the internet? Did you visit our website?
Me: My nVidia chip is fried.
Support: Have you tried rebooting?
Me: tossing phone in the toilet

ad infinitum...


By smegz on 5/26/2010 12:03:28 PM , Rating: 2
Apple too. All MBP with the 8000 series cards had their warranties extended for any video problems. Mine has already had it's main board replaced because the graphics chip failed.

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2377


By kattanna on 5/26/2010 10:35:45 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
hot enough to grill a steak on


hmm.. i could have sworn that that was actually one of the few bullet points in their feature list showing how they "beat" the competition


By XZerg on 5/26/2010 12:20:19 PM , Rating: 2
yes it is called GTX 460


Barely on-topic but...
By Taft12 on 5/26/2010 12:03:28 PM , Rating: 2
When are we going to see cheaper desktop Fermi-based cards from Nvidia?




RE: Barely on-topic but...
By FaceMaster on 5/26/2010 1:37:23 PM , Rating: 5
Once Nvidia realise that THEY'RE DOING IT WRONG!


RE: Barely on-topic but...
By Phoque on 5/30/2010 8:02:27 PM , Rating: 2
They are probably trying out to find the best combination of clocks vs disabled cores right now for all the chips that didn't made it to those already released yet. We should see cheaper ones later this summer. The GTX 460 should come at around 250-300$.

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/04/23/geforce-gtx...

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I think Fermi would have been a success on a 28nm node. So maybe next year we'll have some Fermi based cards done the right way. Unless NVidia decides again to pack 33% too many transistors and open up a big ***kin can of whoop ass again.

I don't see them ditching this architecture away with all the investment they've done on it.


RE: Barely on-topic but...
By rainyday on 5/31/2010 4:17:02 AM , Rating: 2
i think its about time AMD lower the prices of their midrange 57xx and low end 56xx to more "normal" level (eg. 4xxx series). if they do then AMD will continue to hold larger market share anyway.looks like its a win-win situation for AMD.


what's cooking?
By zmatt on 5/26/2010 11:01:40 AM , Rating: 5
Buy one of these and kiss your sperm count goodbye.




RE: what's cooking?
By Suganami on 5/29/2010 3:23:40 AM , Rating: 2
All in the name of better gaming.


Save on resolution
By Mitch101 on 5/26/2010 10:20:16 AM , Rating: 2
It might not seem ideal but something to keep in mind is that most laptop screens are around 15.6"-17" and are more in line with 1366 x 768 resolution. The savings in resolution compared to a desktop helps the frame rates allowing for good gaming on a laptop. A desktop PC someone might try to render the game at full lcd resolution (1920x1080?) which is about the norm today.

Mobile chips dont necessarily need to rival desktop pc hardware because of the limited screen size/resolutions. Sure there are the enthusiasts but for the majority this is fine. Still I would be sure Apple has to be considering AMD/ATI but since NVIDIA probably had and may continue to receive a stockpile of chips because of manufacturing yields they probably got good deal with NVIDIA and NVIDIA has an outlet for less than stellar desktop chips. Win Win for NVIDIA.




RE: Save on resolution
By Quadrillity on 5/26/2010 3:21:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
most laptop screens are around 15.6"-17" and are more in line with 1366 x 768 resolution.


Actually, I consider high end laptops to have at least a min resolution of 1680 x 1050. Anything lower than that just is not ideal for gaming or other intensive processing.


RE: Save on resolution
By inperfectdarkness on 5/27/2010 9:30:17 AM , Rating: 2
if you game in 1366x768, i fart in your general direction.

you can keep your 1080p; give me wuxga or i'll rape your family.


We'll see
By FXi on 5/27/2010 10:05:53 AM , Rating: 3
I'm happy that Nvidia is stepping up to the plate, but heat/power to performance may be an issue. I'll take SLI of these so I'm ready for the power to portability tradeoff, but CF HD 5870 mobilities are good chips.

And funny as it may sound, as of 10.5 Catalyst, AMD now supports more "older" mobile chips with a current driver than Nvidia does. Nvidia hasn't updated the drivers for older 7 series since the beginning of 2009. Way to go AMD.

It may also seem odd, but I'd bet if AMD were to introduce a one slider equivalent of Digital Vibrance, I'd bet they'd be stunned at how many converts they'd have. I know AMD implements a vibrance control in other ways, and it has it's power over the Nvidia method in how it works, but the one simple front page slider bar is still something many Nvidia fans appreciate.

Anyway, the last nail in the coffin is that Nvidia seems to be sadly focused on all the wrong stuff. Physx is "ok" but certainly has taken a lot of resources and time spent for not a lot of return in visuals. Meanwhile they failed in yet another generation to support Displayport, where AMD is managing to offer 6 mini DP cards (not everyone wants those, but it's an amazingly small amount of space to support 6 monitors). AMD supports 120Hz displays on cards going WAY back, while Nvidia putters about trying to support 3D, which they will find out is about as popular as Physx (niche product and a complete waste of effort).

So instead of a quality image (120Hz displayport), supporting older cards with driver releases, and getting regular drivers out the door, they are mucking about with computing (supplanted by DX11 compute function), Physx, and 3D. AMD is focusing on driver support, high quality display and immersion qualities (120Hz and Eyefinity), and performance for low heat and power.

It's no wonder the marketshare figures are what they are.




RE: We'll see
By corduroygt on 5/27/2010 2:40:55 PM , Rating: 2
6 monitors and 120hz displayport isn't any more mainstream than 3D and physx. They're all small niches.

NV is losing marketshare simply because they are not competitive in performance per watt, just like how AMD isn't competitive in performance per watt compared to intel.


By aegisofrime on 5/26/2010 10:29:26 AM , Rating: 3
But a desktop with a UPS :)




blah
By Azure Sky on 5/26/2010 1:03:02 PM , Rating: 2
At the resolutions that laptops use, the 5850/5870 mobile(5770) is plenty, even at 1080p I can run every game I have tried at high/maxed out in game settings(other then maxing AA) without having any FPS issues at all, so why would I want a GPU that uses alot more power thus causing shorter batt life and more heat......

Sorry but this thing will only really interest nvidiot fanboi's.

Note, my last 3 cards where nvidia(8800gt, 8800gts 512, 9600gt) so I am not an nvidia hater....well their practice of blocking cuda/physx if your system has any other companies gfx card/chip in it(even if its disabled onboard) is bs but..well I loved my 8800gts512, really killer card :)




Good news for car owners
By Phoque on 5/26/2010 5:56:05 PM , Rating: 2
As the laptop battery replacement will be compatible with that of your car ( and give you an extra half an hour of run time ).




By justjc on 5/28/2010 9:03:13 AM , Rating: 2
Eurocom Corperation have for some time given the option to configure one of their computers with the nVidia 480M graphics. Although their 15" high end notebook has the needed slot they only offer the upgrade in their 17 and bigger notebooks. Not so strange when you look at the line they give the mobile Fermi.

2GB GDDR5 GTX 480M Nvidia Fermi; PhysX; MXM 3.0b; 40nm; 100W; ETA: June 2010 [add $380]

BTW. the added cost is to upgrade from either an ATi Mobility Radeon 5870 or nVidias former flagship mobile graphics.

It's not likely to be an easy task cooling a notebook with this 100W monster and a high end CPU. And yes it's likely to be the true number, as the W numbers fit as Watt for the other mentioned graphics solutions(compared to Notebookreview data).

So yes the new chip takes the crown, but mobile it's hardly.




Actual Laptop Dedicated GFX
By icanhascpu on 5/26/2010 11:40:49 AM , Rating: 2
First off I have a nvidia 9800GTS 512 in my computer. I luv it. It is my precious. Having said that nvidia seems to be retarded these days about their own market. If you want a laptop with dedicated graphic acceleration go ATi/AMD.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-H...

40 watts for more performance. Uhh, yes.




RE: Actual Laptop Dedicated GFX
By XZerg on 5/26/10, Rating: -1
"Intel is investing heavily (think gazillions of dollars and bazillions of engineering man hours) in resources to create an Intel host controllers spec in order to speed time to market of the USB 3.0 technology." -- Intel blogger Nick Knupffer














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