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Company still tight on details

GPU giant NVIDIA is betting the future of the company on its GF100 graphics chips using the new Fermi architecture. The new chips started mass production last month, and are expected to be used in new video cards that will be launched around the end of February.

There still aren't a lot of specific details about the video cards that will use the new chips, but the company has just released information about the names of the first cards to use GF100 chips.

The GeForce GTX 480 will be the high end video card using the highest clocked speeds, while the GeForce GTX 470 will be a more affordable card with lower core and memory timings. Several defective CUDA cores are likely to be disabled in the GTX 470, which is going to be a big production problem for NVIDIA due to the large die size of the GF100.

NVIDIA seems to be almost entirely skipping the 300-series, with only the GeForce 310 occupying the space. That card is an OEM-only rebadge of the GeForce 210, a low-end DirectX 10.1 part.

Hopefully, this means that all cards in the 400-series will be DirectX 11 capable.


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Nice start...
By MrBlastman on 2/2/2010 10:40:12 AM , Rating: 2
Now give us some pricing and performance information and we'll have some good information. ;)




RE: Nice start...
By EJ257 on 2/2/2010 10:44:29 AM , Rating: 2
Finally, something to nudge AMD to lower the prices on their 5800/5700 series.


RE: Nice start...
By Despoiler on 2/2/2010 10:56:32 AM , Rating: 5
ATI's prices were lower. TSMC just didn't have a mature enough 40nm process. They couldn't keep up with demand. Supposedly they have fixed the issues. Either way Nvidia is going to charge a premium for their cards like usual. ATI may not be forced to do anything. We do know that Nvidia has already lost this round from a business standpoint. They are late to the punch, have a chip that is huge, and have a chip that was expensive to develop. If Nvidia is still having yield and power issues they could be in serious trouble. The money is not in the performance crown. ATI knows this.


RE: Nice start...
By cmdrdredd on 2/2/10, Rating: -1
RE: Nice start...
By Soldier1969 on 2/2/2010 7:28:56 PM , Rating: 3
Your the fanboy here, Nvidia is a day late and dollar short with DX11. It doesnt matter the games arent out yet. ATI is working on their next gen DX11 cards already and Nvidia what out now to compete...oh nothing thats right. Their new cards will be overpriced generate too much heat and FAIL. Kind of like you and your comment and any other Nvidia fanboy that thinks this will put them ahead lol.


RE: Nice start...
By RandallMoore on 2/3/2010 10:11:05 AM , Rating: 2
Your* never going to look like you know what you're talking about with grammar like that.

Attention millennials: For the love of God and all that is holy, please learn how to use YOUR correctly!!


RE: Nice start...
By jurassic512 on 2/4/2010 1:53:30 PM , Rating: 2
There is nothing on the AMD/ATi 2010 roadmap that shows any new CPU or GPU architectures. All AMD/ATi can do now (and word is they already are) is jack the clocks on the 5870 a la the 4890. But that's what a billion less transistors gets you. I've yet to hear of a mass amount of cards going as high as 90c melting, so heat is not an issue unless your case has space for only 2 80mm fans (or one), or you're just really picky and/or overclock.

The 5000 series isn't all that much different from the 4000 series. GF100 on the other hand is a from the ground up design with DX11 and CUDA in mind.

All AMD/ATi has now are the upcoming 45nm (still) Thurban, and Phenom II's with jacked clocks and TDP/ACP (140w on the soon to arrive, Phenom II 975 @ 3.6GHz) is coming out in 2010. Everything else is the same ol we've been seeing (K8 and K10 variants). All Intel has to do is wait until AMD shows signs of being a threat, and then release what they have been waiting to release. ie: 32nm quad, sexa, octocores. Word is Intel can do octocore natively with Nehelam, but AMD can only do 6 cores natively. So all that delay (First Gen Phenom's), just to have Intel do a native quad first and better.

AMD has been behind for a few years now (performance wise), but clock for clock, Phenom II is ancient. There is a CPU scaling review over at Tom's. C2Q vs Core i7 vs Phenom II @ 2.8GHz. It's not pretty, so don't say i didn't warn you.


RE: Nice start...
By littlebrendon on 2/19/2010 4:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
If anyone has a heat problem it's ATI, my friend used to have a high end 4000 series (I don't remember the exact name, i'm not a big fan)and it only lasted a month or two before performance started dropping and soon the fan just stopped working entirely and would force the computer to shut down. And the customer service to replace the fan was just awful, they never even sent a replacement. We ended up building an entire new rig with a GTX 260 and it's been running just as well as day 1. Unlike ATI.


RE: Nice start...
By SpaceRanger on 2/2/10, Rating: 0
RE: Nice start...
By semo on 2/2/2010 11:08:03 AM , Rating: 2
Why? Because of a paper launch of some vaporware? There is very little known about these cards (no power consumption, reliable performance numbers, price, availability or until recently even a retail name).

I've been launching my GTXHD semo 3zXy cards for years but they've never influenced the market one bit.


RE: Nice start...
By chagrinnin on 2/2/2010 11:33:19 AM , Rating: 5
I hear "launching" some "semo" on a regular basis is good for the prostate. Wait,...what were we talking about?


RE: Nice start...
By ClownPuncher on 2/2/2010 11:08:11 AM , Rating: 2
Color me impressed. Nvidia is organized enough to come up with a NAME for their product!!!


RE: Nice start...
By Marlonsm on 2/2/2010 12:17:15 PM , Rating: 5
Some times they not only come up with a name for products, they give multiple names to each one.


RE: Nice start...
By Golgatha on 2/2/2010 4:15:07 PM , Rating: 2
Epic...give this person a 6!!!


RE: Nice start...
By Camikazi on 2/2/2010 4:51:01 PM , Rating: 2
Any guesses how many name this chip is gonna get total? I lost track of how many names the g80 had or has not sure if that thing is still alive.


RE: Nice start...
By Alexvrb on 2/2/2010 10:22:01 PM , Rating: 3
If we're lucky, the GTS 350 will be a 9800GTX++, and the GT 340 will be a GT 240+! They're free upgrades over their "older" siblings - for a small premium, of course.


RE: Nice start...
By Blessedman on 2/3/2010 12:54:42 AM , Rating: 2
Here is what I do know, if Nvidia can come out of the gate with enough cards that are quicker and resonably priced they stand a chance as looking around trying to find the top ATI card is not going well. So I do see Nvidia still having a chance with a superiour card.


Ha! I Win! Nvidia shows stupidity again!
By Belard on 2/2/2010 2:14:17 PM , Rating: 4
I had bet that the GF100 would end up being a GT~ 400, maybe a 500 even (things could still change).

Nvidia is now run by a brain-damaged marketing team or what?

Er, what happened to the GTX 300 series?

Oh, sorry - we took a crappy GT 210 and renamed it GT310 - yet both are only for the OEM market... What dead from the neck retard thought it would be good business to take product and give it a new name?

Okay... we have the NEW GT 335 WOW! YEAH

- How does it perform?

Oh, just like the GT 235 of course!

- Any improvements?

Yes! New sticket, new BIOS with the number 3!

Nvidia, you suck. We can of course expect some of the G 4xx cards to still be DX 10.1

Sure, ATI's bottom end 5000 cards will be mostly useless for gaming, but they ARE at least an original product and will still be a lot better than onboard video. At least the customer knows what they're getting.




RE: Ha! I Win! Nvidia shows stupidity again!
By akugami on 2/2/2010 5:34:33 PM , Rating: 1
Your post fails because everyone knows people are stupid. The average consumer wouldn't know the difference between DX10, DX10.1, and DX11. It is because of this reason that people are still buying nVidia cards when you could save some dollars and get an equal performing ATI card in the past year or so. Prior to that, ATI sucked for a long while.


By Omega215D on 2/2/2010 11:29:18 PM , Rating: 2
Define long while? The 9700 Pro, 3000, 4000 series cards were great bang for the buck video cards.


RE: Ha! I Win! Nvidia shows stupidity again!
By Belard on 2/4/2010 12:32:56 AM , Rating: 2
True, most people don't know much of the difference and few games actually use DX10 or DX11. For those of us who do know, it kind of makes it difficult to know what is what with constant renaming of parts.

ATI keeps it constant since the 7000 (DX7) days (mostly).

quote:
Prior to that, ATI sucked for a long while.


Huh? While the 8500 was roughly the GF3 it competed with, it wasn't until the Radeon 9000 series that ATI got serious with its drivers and more so since the 4000.

The GeForce 5000 "FX" generally sucked balls - only the 5700GT and 5900GT versions were worth anything at the end. Thus is when ATI's 9600 & 9800 cards rocked.

When the GeForce 6000~7000 series came out, ATI geneally had the faster card most of the time with the 1800s & 1900s. The 7900 was always behind a 1900 variant. Nvidia didn't have any to beat the $500+ ATI 1950XTX until the 8800GTx/s came out with about double the performance.

But during this time, ATI screwed up because their cards were only hitting the high-price points. I bought a 7600GT because its was $190 and what ATI had at that price wasn't as good.

ATI bombed with the HD 2000 series... to hot, not very fast and expensive. But with the 3600 & 3800s, they gave the 8800/8600s a good run for the money at an excellent price.

The 4800s came out weeks after the $450 / $650 GTX 260/280... causing Nvidia to do a price drop in order to compete. Sure the 4870 wasn't as fast as a GTX 280, but for $300 it was a steal in comparison.

So as of today ATI owns most of the low-end market, okay in the mid-range and dominates the top.

We'll see how the GTX 48560-whatever compares soon... but Nvidia has nothing for the low-mid range other than more re-branded products. I won't be surprised if a GTS-560 comes out and its just a re-branded GTX-260. (They may change their mind if I just gave away their plan... but I doubt Nvidia staff can read)


By jojo29 on 2/15/2010 9:50:37 AM , Rating: 2
Belard

Couldn't have put the "ATI/Nvidia War" in a nutshell better than myself...Excellent Sum up...now do one for the AMD/Intel :)


By glennc on 2/2/2010 11:13:17 PM , Rating: 3
and to think they renamed all their cards from the old numbers to this new naming convention to avoid all the confusion in the industry. yeah that worked


Benchies, benchies, benchies!
By chunkymonster on 2/2/2010 10:56:45 AM , Rating: 2
Can I have 3rd party independent bench marks, please?!




By TemjinGold on 2/2/2010 11:05:00 AM , Rating: 5
No you can't.


By Omega215D on 2/2/2010 12:32:12 PM , Rating: 3
You gotta ask differently: I can haz benchmarks plz? followed by a kitty giving the huge cute kitty eyes picture.


300-series
By micksh on 2/2/2010 12:46:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
NVIDIA seems to be almost entirely skipping the 300-series, with only the GeForce 310 occupying the space

There are also several mobile cards like GT 335M in new Alienware laptops. And I guess they will re-badge GTX 260 as 360 until mid-range Fermi is ready.




RE: 300-series
By inperfectdarkness on 2/2/2010 1:26:18 PM , Rating: 2
i consider mobile gaming the real benchmark. anyone with a large enough ATX case & pocketbook can build a wickedly fast gaming rig. mobile gaming--doesn't have the luxury of space. and cost is always going to be higher for equivelent performance from a mobile setup.

show me a 15.4" laptop with >200 PPI; gaming performance equal to last generation's desktop flagship (not the mid-level from 3 generations ago); and operating tempreatures/prices that won't both burn a hole in my wallet.

and...

i'll show you my credit-card numbers.


RE: 300-series
By riottime on 2/2/2010 4:24:39 PM , Rating: 2
why? just buy an external pcie graphic hub and stick the latest desktop dx11 card in it and plug it into your notebook. done. no need to wait for mobile version of vid card to catch up to desktop version performance.


Sure hope a mobile DX11 is in the offing
By FXi on 2/2/2010 10:37:22 PM , Rating: 2
I know Fermi is far too hot to make mobile, but if NV doesn't get in the game the 5870 and 5xxx series mobiles are going to sweep the market as most folks will want DX11 capable chips at various price points of laptops, those that use discreet chips at least.

But when Nvidia is quiet, the news is never good - so I don't see DX11 mobile from Nvidia for a long, long time. Maybe by Sandy Bridge in 2011? Who knows.




RE: Sure hope a mobile DX11 is in the offing
By Totally on 2/3/2010 4:20:12 AM , Rating: 2
Even with GT200 they couldn't make a mobile parts and just rebranded G92 for GTX 260M and GTX 280M


By Belard on 2/4/2010 12:40:24 AM , Rating: 2
Thats cause.... they suck.

Anyone with a brain would know that GTX 260m is still a 9800m but maybe a bit faster... maybe.

Perhaps the Fermi will be the worlds first 3-slotted video cards?


By kroker on 2/2/2010 11:15:17 PM , Rating: 5
I think the reason they're using 4x0 for the Fermi cards is that they want to reserve 3x0 for 40nm G92 and GT200 chips. So, if that's true, G92 would span 4 series of graphic cards. Nvidia's engineers have all my respect, but their marketing departments and CEO are a disgrace.




By Shig on 2/2/2010 11:09:43 AM , Rating: 4
It's just too easy to follow atm.




Let's keep our name in the News!
By Lunyone on 2/2/2010 10:23:13 PM , Rating: 2
Now that they have a name for the the new GPU's. Next week will be the dimensions of the card. The week after will be power requirements. The week after that will be recommended PSU's for running the cards. The week after that...... You get the idea. So maybe in March sometime they will have "limited" availability of said GPU's (end of March maybe). Sorry to sound skeptical, but that is how I see it. They will delay everyones (nVidia fanboys mainly) purchases as long as possible, because otherwise AMD would have more sales (not that I blame them for trying).




By bunty on 2/3/2010 7:32:54 AM , Rating: 2
what you ment to say is that NVIDIA is delaying the product to help the people get a good Graphic card and not a die shrinked previous gen's graphic card??

Then yeah it sure did.


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