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NVIDIA on the low end

DailyTech has received finalized specifications of NVIDIA’s upcoming MCP61 family of integrated graphics chipsets. The MCP61 family will not replace the current GeForce 6100 family. Instead the MCP61 family will slip right below the GeForce 6100 family in terms of target market. While the GeForce 6100 family is a two-chip design consisting of a GeForce 6100, 6150 or 6150B coupled with an nForce 410 or 430, the MCP61 family is a single chip design.

NVIDIA will have three variants of the MCP61 family—MCP61P, MCP61S and MCP61V. MCP61P is the premium product with support for one PCI Express x16, two PCI Express x1, standard definition video output, Gigabit Ethernet, 10 USB ports, four SATAII, RAID 0, 1, 0+1 and ASF 2.0 management. It will also be the only member of the MCP61 family to have an sDVO output for external video output capabilities such as DVI, component and TV out.

MCP61S is the standard variant which is slightly crippled. PCI Express graphics support is limited to a single PCI Express x 8 slot. Two PCI Express x1 slots still remain. Available SATA ports have been cut down to two with support for RAID 0 and 1. Ethernet is limited to 10/100 too. USB ports have been cut down to eight USB 2.0 ports as well. MCP61V is the value part and is similar to MCP61S except for the lack of an external PCI Express graphics slot. Nevertheless, MCP61V still retains two PCI Express x1 slots.

The MCP61 family sports a GeForce 7 class graphics, though there are no details specifications on the integrated graphics core. Gone from the graphics core is support for NVIDIA’s PureVideo video processing engine which isn’t too surprising considering the MCP61 family is slotted below the GeForce 6100 family. All MCP61 products are fully compliant with Microsoft’s upcoming Windows Vista Premium with Aero glass. The premium MCP61P will have a 425 MHz graphics clock while MCP61S and MCP61V will be clocked slightly lower at 375 MHz.

Launch of the MCP61 family is expected near the middle of 1H Q3’06 for MCP61S and MCP61V. MCP61P is expected to launch 2H Q4’06. Pricing on MCP61 family products is unknown at the moment but expect MCP61 family products to be significantly cheaper than current GeForce 6100 family products.

Epox has already announced its MCP61S motherboard


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PCI Express x8 slot??
By GraySplatter on 8/11/2006 10:32:59 AM , Rating: 2
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MCP61S is the standard variant which is slightly crippled. PCI Express graphics support is limited to a single PCI Express x 8 slot.

x8 "slot?" Surely that's a x16 slot with 8 lanes, right? I haven't seen any x8 cards out there.




RE: PCI Express x8 slot??
By Anh Huynh on 8/11/2006 11:10:00 AM , Rating: 2
Possibly.


RE: PCI Express x8 slot??
By johnsonx on 8/11/2006 12:15:39 PM , Rating: 2
The mainboard builder can attach whatever PCIe connector they want; NVidia doesn't control that. The fact remains it's an x8 connection.


RE: PCI Express x8 slot??
By DigitalFreak on 8/11/2006 12:59:48 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, it is a 16x slot with only 8 lanes. Only reason I can think of that they would do this is to keep the size of the chip down.


RE: PCI Express x8 slot??
By Anh Huynh on 8/11/2006 2:39:59 PM , Rating: 2
It can be an x16 slot or an open ended x8 slot.


RE: PCI Express x8 slot??
By defter on 8/11/2006 2:23:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
x8 "slot?" Surely that's a x16 slot with 8 lanes, right?


Chipset don't have slots. This picture shows: http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/2271_large_mcp6...

that there are 8 lanes allocated to graphic card. It's up to motherboard manufacturer to decide what kind of slot to put in the motherboard.


Why come out with these?
By hstewarth on 8/11/2006 1:03:26 AM , Rating: 2
I am curious why nVidia would come out with these on the AMD platform now that AMD and ATI have joined together. Maybe they caught by surprise.

I would rather see them come out with SLI chipset for Woodcrest which would fill a gap for those that need it.




RE: Why come out with these?
By Etsp on 8/11/2006 4:33:38 AM , Rating: 2
It would be foolish to think that nVidia would stop making amd chipsets simply because amd bought ati... in fact, from what I understand, ati's chipset division intends to continue making chipsets for the INTEL PLATFORM... it would be foolhardy to simply give up that marktetshare because amd and intel are competitors in the CPU market...


RE: Why come out with these?
By hstewarth on 8/11/2006 10:01:44 AM , Rating: 2
Yes I think for a short time NVidia will do it - but the problem will be in the future with next generation AMD cpus - likely its going to be hard for NVidia to support.

All I am saying if NVidia is smart it would be looking for other possibilities like the Woodcrest.


RE: Why come out with these?
By kilkennycat on 8/11/2006 1:22:50 PM , Rating: 2
AMD will need all the help it can get in building sufficient quantity of chipsets, even with the PROPOSED union with ATi ( remember that the stockholders still have to approve it, and there are also escape clauses in the deal ) -- just as Intel has always needed chipset help from third parties, such as nVidia, ATi, Via etc... And the high-end CPUs bring in far greater marginal profit than the corresponding chipsets. Also nVidia has a lock on SLI technology, so anybody that wants SLI for AMD -- which potentially also sells another AMD processor -- has got to go with nVidia. nVidia is in a great position - independently serving both processor manufacturers, while Intel's position with regard to ATi chipsets for Intel processors will rapidly sour, knowing that they are putting profit into the pockets of their to-the-death competitor.


RE: Why come out with these?
By johnsonx on 8/11/2006 12:12:34 PM , Rating: 3
I don't understand the logic of this assertion. Why should nVidia stop making AMD core logic just because AMD bought ATI? So AMD will have it's own core logic now... so what? Intel has always made core logic for their own CPU's, but that didn't stop NVidia from doing the same.


hmm
By raven3x7 on 8/11/2006 7:31:02 AM , Rating: 2
These are really too crippled to be of much use for PCs(except the p variant). They might be usefull for HTPCs i guess. I must say though that both ATI and VIA have better products most probably at the same price point. Particularly CF1100 boards with X300 graphics. Better Video quality and as far as i know they support Avivo. Not to mention that ATI boards run cooler. And if VIA gets the K8M900 to market they might also be a much better choice. Thats a big if though.




RE: hmm
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 8/11/2006 9:10:54 AM , Rating: 2
Actually the Intel 975X chipset is top dog in the Intel procesor compatable boards, pair with one of several south bridges, you get far more features than nVidia's nForce.


RE: hmm
By DigitalFreak on 8/11/2006 12:58:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
These are really too crippled to be of much use for PCs(except the p variant)


Don't think so. They make excellent chipsets for the $299-$499 PC market. Most people use their computer exclusively for e-mail & Internet, and maybe some word processing & photo viewing. These folks are fine with integrated graphics and such.


RE: hmm
By raven3x7 on 8/11/2006 2:29:17 PM , Rating: 2
yes sure they are but unless these boards retail for 40-50 euros at most. there are Via chips that have the same price tag and more features. I never said that integrated graphics are not enough, just that the crippled expansion options are a problem


RE: hmm
By JeffDM on 8/12/2006 1:03:14 AM , Rating: 2
Frankly, I don't care what Via chips have and at what price. I don't trust them to make an acceptably reliable product, or restated, I trust nVidia a lot more than I do Via.


Eh...
By The Boston Dangler on 8/10/2006 11:47:53 PM , Rating: 1
Nvidia needs to get off it's arse if it wants to hang in the mobo market. ATI has closed the performance gap in video and AMD motherboards, dominate AMD mobile chipsets, and will be the AMD platform of choice from now on. Nvidia's Intel solutions never lit the world on fire, and are blown away by Intel's latest and greatest.

To survive, they will need to do a lot better than rehashed nforce4's, geforce7's and worsening software.




RE: Eh...
By Furen on 8/11/2006 2:17:25 AM , Rating: 2
nForce is still the most feature-rich chipset out there, though, and this includes Intel chipsets. Personally, I think SLI/Crossfire is a waste of money but I do think that nVidia became a force to be reckoned with.


RE: Eh...
By George Powell on 8/11/2006 3:36:39 AM , Rating: 2
The 6150 product is an excellent one and allows very cheap but reasonable performance PCs to be built. Not everyone is a hardcore gamer out there and many people don't need anything more than a way to output to a display.

I think Nvidia have made a well balanced chipset for the budget conscious builder. They do allow the additional of a different graphics card if its required as well.


RE: Eh...
By NoSoftwarePatents on 8/11/2006 5:45:31 PM , Rating: 1
Good thing you aren't talking about Linux here-nVidia still makes the best 3D acceleration on Linux.

Just recently TTimo from ID Software said in an interview he develops mostly on nVidia over ATI.

Perhaps, the situation will change for the better if ATI open sources at least part if not all of their graphic card drivers. I'm all for competition, which benefits the consumers in the end, but the competition has to exist first...


I'm wondering...
By Josh7289 on 8/11/2006 12:14:40 AM , Rating: 2
Who is this for? I don't think even the large OEMs use motherboards as crippled as the S and V variants.

Also, out of curiosity because it was mentioned, what is the GeForce 6150B?




RE: I'm wondering...
By Anh Huynh on 8/11/2006 1:09:13 AM , Rating: 2
6150B is the NVIDIA Business Platform version. Essentially the same thing as the 6150.

You'd be surprised who'd use it. Slap it in a system with a Sempron and you can have a very cheap system.


RE: I'm wondering...
By DigitalFreak on 8/11/2006 12:54:08 PM , Rating: 2
No different than the low end Intel systems Dell sells with no video slots


Lacking PureVideo is a BIG mistake
By therealnickdanger on 8/11/2006 12:22:00 PM , Rating: 2
They can forget about the HTPC market wanting these. Based solely off the chart, it doesn't look like the IGP even supports high-def video accelleration. Why upgrade to a 7-series IGP and not support PV and HD? Dumb... IMHO.




By therealnickdanger on 8/11/2006 12:24:15 PM , Rating: 2
Lacking an edit feature, unfortunately... I wanted to add to my above statement:

When is nVidia launching its replacement of the 6100 series?


By defter on 8/11/2006 2:24:11 PM , Rating: 2
Did you missed the fact that this is aimed to very LOW-end of the market? Below current 6100/6150 chipsets?


By R3MF on 8/11/2006 2:12:20 AM , Rating: 1
HTPC's like the Silverstone LC11 have riser cards that accept 16x/PCI/PCI or AGP/PCI/PCI because that is the default configuration.

very few nVidia AMD chipsets for AMD have followed this in recent years.

the majority of s939 and AM2 boards had 1x/16x/PCI/PCI or 16x/1x/PCI/PCI configuration which is useless in low profile HTPC's.

please nVidia, make your MCP61-P reference board with a sensible expansion card configuration so that people can use these excellent chipsets in low profile cases with riser cards.

if you do it the majority of board manufacturers will follow.

i am now considering a C2D purely because it is the only socket that will provide decent mATX boards with a sensible config for use in the LC11-M case i want. The cheap as chips socket AM2 Asrock board doesn't count as it is too low end for me.




By glennpratt on 8/20/2006 12:58:22 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe Silverstone should make better riser cards. That case comes with an AGP riser, how outdated can you get. x1 tuner cards are out, and the Cat's Eye 164e will be an x1 dual tuner hybrid with both analog and HD tuners. Browsing around newegg shows absolutely no consitency about the order of expansion slots, so maybe Silverstone would do better to use low profile slots.

BTW, Foxconn makes a 6150 board that is x16/PCI/PCI/PCI

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...


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