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Only one design win announced

NVIDIA is known primarily for its GPUs, but the company has been expanding into new markets in order to diversify its product lineup. It created the Tegra series of SoCs as a way of leveraging its chipset and GPU expertise into the smartphone and tablet segments, with mixed success. There are numerous design wins, but those pale in the face of staggering iPad and iPhone sales.

The new Tegra 3 could change that. NVIDIA is claiming a 5x performance increase thanks to the quad-core ARM Cortex A9 at the heart of the chip, formerly codenamed Kal-El. Graphics are improved by 3x using a revamped 12-core GeForce GPU with more pixel shaders and a higher clock speed. The integrated memory controller supports a single 32-bit wide channel, but can either be matched with low-power DDR2-1066 running at 1.2V or DDR3-L at data rates of up to 1500MHz. A HD video encoder/decoder, HDMI support, and on-die SATA II controller round out the feature set.

Power consumption is reduced by 61%, made possible by a new patent-pending technology known as Variable Symmetric Multiprocessing. vSMP can shut down 1-3 of the A9 cores when they aren't being used, or it can disable them completely and switch over to a "companion core" that is only used for background or low power applications. Clock speeds are limited to a maximum of 500MHz, which is how Tegra 3 is able to provide up to 12 hours of HD video playback while on battery.

“NVIDIA’s fifth core is ingenious,” said Nathan Brookwood, Research Fellow at Insight 64. “Tegra 3’s vSMP technology extends the battery life of next-generation mobile devices by using less power when they’re handling undemanding tasks and then ratcheting up performance when it’s really needed.”

The maximum frequency with 1-3 cores is 1.4GHz, but that tops out at 1.3GHz with all four cores working at the same time. Nevertheless, this is still up significantly from 1.0GHz in the Tegra 2 SoC.  Die size has also gone up, from 49mm2 to 80mm2.

The first tablet to use Tegra 3 will be the Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime, set to launch in December. Priced at $499 for a 32GB version and $599 for a 64GB version, it will use 1GB of LPDDR2-1066. When compared with Apple's iPad 2, the Transformer Prime has double the cores, memory, and storage at the $499 price point. Its 10.1-inch IPS screen with a 1280x800 pixel resolution compares favourably with the iPad 2's 9.7 inch 1024x768 display.

NVIDIA has been actively enticing game developers in order to showcase its hardware. There are 15 games designed for Tegra 3 under development, while over 40 games will be available in the Tegra Zone by the end of the year.

While Transformer Prime is the first (and so far only) design win for Tegra 3, NVIDIA is confident that its Tegra 2 partners will use the new chip in their next generation of tablets. No smartphone wins have been announced yet.

Tegra 3 is manufactured by NVIDIA's foundry partner TSMC on its 40LPG process. Although the firm's 28nm process is now in mass production, it was deemed too risky and so Tegra 3 was designed for an older node. The huge power savings and performance gains possible at 28nm will have to wait until 2012 for the Tegra 4, codenamed Wayne.


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Single Channel - meh? Rest potentially decent
By XZerg on 11/9/2011 10:07:53 AM , Rating: 2
Why no dual channel? IIRC Apple uses a dual channel. The reason I feel dual channel would be worth it here is due to the on-die GPU which during games would definitely benefit from the extra bandwidth.

Also from the gpu horsepower it seems it is not as powerful as the others on the market either.

Definitely I was awaiting for this chip to come out before i jump onto tablets and seems it is decent enough to jump onto. Although with the advent of ARM7 (64bit) on the horizon and Windows 8, it probably is worth only to pick up one now and wait for the 2nd till then.




RE: Single Channel - meh? Rest potentially decent
By bug77 on 11/9/2011 10:45:25 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why no dual channel?


Unless you suspect nvidia engineers are completely clueless, the answer should be obvious: the chip doesn't need more bandwidth. Do you honestly expect it to use as much data an i7 quad-core? Or an "8 core" Bulldozer?


By kingmotley on 11/9/2011 11:12:20 AM , Rating: 2
Well except that the older i7 quad cores are triple channel, and the new ones are quad channel, you might have a point -- maybe.


RE: Single Channel - meh? Rest potentially decent
By XZerg on 11/9/2011 11:20:19 AM , Rating: 3
You do realize that the main memory in this scenario is being used by both the CPU and the GPU as their only source of memory? 32bit width at 1500mhz DDR3 equals - 6GB/s - split between the CPU and GPU.

As for clueless-ness - AMD did the same with the Ontario/Zacate CPUs and their performance suffers severely compared to other integrated solution when both CPU and GPU are being pushed. This smells of rushing the product focusing on the ARM7 to release the actual bump.


RE: Single Channel - meh? Rest potentially decent
By KOOLTIME on 11/9/2011 1:48:45 PM , Rating: 2
Your incorrect by trying to compare tablet device core / gpu with desktop scenarios, they are not the same usage / power / memory qualifications.

INTEL's i7-990x sells for 1000 bucks alone, this is an entire tablet going for 500 bucks, includes video / cpu screen storage memory etc etc. Expect it to be like your desktop comparison above in relative performance ??

Cant have have cake and cookies in same basket just yet, other wise they still would not need to make desktop parts anymore. Maybe in future, but not there just yet, so they have to keep the power reqs usable, or get the standard complaint works but battery is is bad so its a bad product review like most new items are bludgeoned with now adays.


By XZerg on 11/9/2011 2:41:34 PM , Rating: 2
Tell it to the tablet market (users and developers) that they should not use applications, specifically games, that demand the power. This single channel setup feels like giving you a race car (screen resolution) that runs only on solar cells (single channel ram between cpu and gpu) which fyi does not provide enough power. This race car would definitely be worse than the cheapest gas based car.

Also other tablet makers have put dual channel controller on their systems - Apple - so not asking for something impossible either.

So I am not asking for cake and cookies in the same basket but rather just a balanced and well-catered system.


By someguy123 on 11/9/2011 2:45:10 PM , Rating: 2
He's not comparing it to a massive high end processor. The processor speed isn't even the issue here. The issue is if bandwidth constraints could cause problems. Zacate/Llano is a fair comparison because it is also a single package design and can be heavily bandwidth constrained, scaling very well with higher frequency chips when normally the speed benefits are negligible.

It should be compared to the A5 because, well, the A5 is currently the fastest smartphone chip.


By michael67 on 11/10/2011 2:35:11 PM , Rating: 3
Actually nVidia is full of crap, AGAIN!

5x times the performance over the Tegra 2, they are lucky if they make 3x the performance over Tegra 2.

They forget that almost all apps, even the 3D games are single core only!
The only thing that helps is a dual core over a single core, as the OS can offload all secondary treads to the second core.

In threaded benchmarks, Tegra 3 will win them all!
In real life do, i suspect that the difference between a ASUS Transformer 1 and 2 only be something like max 2x

Its just the same as when quadcore PCs came out, yeah it was nice, but as long as you did not use a optimized video encoder codec, or some heavy threaded server program, your quad core was more or less useless for the next 2 years.


RE: Single Channel - meh? Rest potentially decent
By Dribble on 11/9/2011 10:47:42 AM , Rating: 2
I suspect to make it easier to upgrade as well - probably with the aim of making it easy to slot in a tegra 3 in all those tegra 2 IC's with the minumum of effort.


By XZerg on 11/9/2011 11:26:42 AM , Rating: 2
very much doubt it given that the T3 SOC is much bigger in size compared to the T2.


HTC leaks that it will have Tegra 3 in phone
By tviceman on 11/9/2011 10:08:50 AM , Rating: 2
Here you go: http://pocketnow.com/android/htc-edge-first-quad-c...

Whether or not Tegra3 will be a great ARM cpu, the fact that it's the first quadcore arm CPU ever will get it some design wins.




By InfinityzeN on 11/9/2011 11:21:41 AM , Rating: 2
I find this to be very untrustworthy. HTC has not released a product with anything but Qualcomm SoC since 2007. Additionally all of the non-Qualcoom chips were used in Windows Mobile 6.X and old phones.


RE: HTC leaks that it will have Tegra 3 in phone
By Kurz on 11/9/2011 11:42:50 AM , Rating: 2
Tegras CPUs are pretty good, Running one now (Atrix).
Came out earlier this year... Still pretty competitive.


By InfinityzeN on 11/9/2011 12:07:30 PM , Rating: 2
Not knocking Tegra SoC. My point was HTC has switched to exclusively Qualcomm SoC since about mid 2007.


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