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New mobile NVIDIA GPUs support Hybrid Power

While the common computer and business user has started migrating largely to notebook computers from desktops, the PC gamer is still holding mainly to the desktop PC because of its upgradability and more powerful graphics and CPUs. However, NVIDIA is working on its mobile graphics offerings for gamers looking for notebooks that can play the latest video games.

NVIDIA’s latest line of graphics processors for notebooks not only promises improved gaming performance, but also promises to help save power and increase battery life with better efficiency. The GeForce Mobile line has expanded to include cards in the 9800M and 9700M families.

The NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTX uses the G92 core and is the top-of-the-line mobile GPU from NVIDIA. The card has a core frequency of 500MHz and uses 112 shaders each running at 1250MHz. The card is capable of 420 gigaflops and uses a 256-bit memory interface. The 9800M GTX is capable of operating in SLI mode as well.

The 9800M GT is the next step down and runs on the G94 core. The core frequency is 500MHz with 96 shaders running at 1250MHz. The GPU is capable of 360 gigaflops.  The NVIDIA 9800M GTS also uses the G94 core with a frequency of 500MHz. The card has 64 shaders running at 600MHz and is capable of 288 gigaflops.

The 9700M series includes the GeForce 9700M GTS and 9700M GT. The 9700M GTS uses the G94 core running at 530MHz and features 48 shaders running at 1325MHz. The GPU is capable of 190.8 gigaflops. The lowest end 9700M GT uses the G96 core at 625Mhz and features 32 shaders running at 1550Mhz. Performance from the 9700M GT is 148.8 gigaflops. All of these mobile GPUs are capable of utilizing NVIDIA’s Hybrid Power to save battery life.

Defective notebook GPUs in older NVIDIA lines have caused NVIDIA to report lower earnings than expected recently.

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naming scheme
By skiboysteve on 7/21/2008 12:10:15 PM , Rating: 5
glad to see nvidia has learned nothing about naming their products.

RE: naming scheme
By nosfe on 7/21/2008 12:15:23 PM , Rating: 5
so a 9800M GT > 9800M GTS but at the same time a 9700M GT < 9700M GTS; that really makes sense, nvidia naming scheme at its best

RE: naming scheme
By Lonyo on 7/21/2008 12:16:20 PM , Rating: 2
Hopefully the source site made a mistake.

Why the hell would they have GTX > GT > GTS in the 9800 line, and then GTS > GT in the 9700's?

RE: naming scheme
By MonkeyPaw on 7/21/2008 1:08:49 PM , Rating: 5
Hopefully the source site made a mistake.

Do you mean nVidia?

Ah, the NVIDIA codename fun
By psychobriggsy on 7/21/2008 1:24:16 PM , Rating: 3
Some of the details look a bit wrong (e.g., the 600MHz shader cores with 1/4 fewer cores having only a bit less GFLOPs that the 1250MHz shader cores.

And there's a bundle of options aren't there! All with confusing names and differing specifications, although the end result in terms of computation power seems to scale reasonably well.

What's wrong with 9500M, 9600M, 9700M, 9800M and 9900M?

RE: Ah, the NVIDIA codename fun
By Lonyo on 7/21/2008 2:46:26 PM , Rating: 2
Or 9870/9850/9850 and 9760/9740?

RE: Ah, the NVIDIA codename fun
By Clauzii on 7/21/2008 6:09:01 PM , Rating: 2
I want my next graphics card named "Octane 102" :)

Of course that's not going to happen, but I wonder if we are going to see ATI 5xxx and 6xxx series. And where will nVidia go? 9966 GTX-TX-2102?

Or is it just a race of getting at 10000 first?

... Again??

RE: Ah, the NVIDIA codename fun
By Chocobollz on 7/22/2008 12:55:04 PM , Rating: 2
Well, me myself want to have a graphic cards that were named something like "ATI Radeon XXX870 XTX KO+OK Extreme Beach Volleyball Uncensored"! Is it too much? :-} Anyway, sorry for the ATI parts, that's because I'm an ATI fans :-}

RE: Ah, the NVIDIA codename fun
By carage on 7/22/2008 10:59:57 AM , Rating: 2
Well, technically 9500M doesn't belong in the same generation as it is really a rebadged 8600M.
Unfortunately I learned that AFTER I bought my new laptop.

i dunno
By jay401 on 7/21/2008 12:51:51 PM , Rating: 2
I think the main reason many gamers hang onto desktop cases is not just because the parts are better performing but also because you can upgrade parts much more easily than you can on a notebook.

RE: i dunno
By Inkjammer on 7/21/2008 1:06:51 PM , Rating: 3
Yep. And companies have been touting the "upgradability" of mobile graphics cards that utilize Nvidia's MXM PCI-E mobile standard for a while. Clevo based rigs such as Sager, Alienware, Widow, the Asus C90S and many others have advertised it, but it's only partly true.

While you CAN "upgrade" the graphics cards, you are limited to a selection of about... three cards, and even then, only within the same graphics generation. There is no one standard for power or hardware allowing you to swap them out, leading companies to develop specific requirements on a per model basis (usually for the sake of cost and/or battery life).

That, and some companies (like Toshiba) still make proprietary MXM for their hardware which prevent you from adopting a better card. If you had an 8700M from an Satellite X205 you couldn't swap it with an Alienware M9750... despite the fact they both run the same basic graphics card. Compounding that fact is that there are many variations on MXM (MXM III, MXM IV, etc) and they're not forwards or backwards compatible.

It's sort of like Alienware selling 4GB of RAM on a chipset that can only detect up to 2.5GB of RAM. What they advertise is still true, but the limitations negate any benefit.

RE: i dunno
By SlyNine on 7/21/2008 7:30:17 PM , Rating: 2
I really hope they come out with external PCI E and W/ a adapter ( like the USB harddrive bays that plug in SATA harddrives) that is compatible with any PCI E Videocard and has its own PSU.

With that you could plug it in when you have an outlet, and have great battery life when you don't.

I thought they were working on this, but haven't heard much lately.

RE: i dunno
By flydian on 7/21/2008 10:11:11 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I've owned exactly three laptops so far, along with numerous variations of desktops (the last 4 of which were in the same case).

The first two laptops were both "gaming laptops", aka big, heavy, low battery life machines that I bought as portable game machines. The problem with each one was that, once the graphics chip died, what was left? On one, I was left with a black screen and parts. On another, I was lucky enough to be able to use basic graphics (login and use Windows, etc), but could not even play anything as simple as Civ 4.

Either way, if it were a desktop, I'd just buy a new graphics card, and likely a much better one since it was now 2-3 years since they were new. But for these, I'd have to buy a whole new motherboard, if a replacement is even available, just to fix one part, and only get the same 2-3 year old tech in the process.

Now I have a "netbook", which does the same things my second failed "portable gaming machine" does, only better, more portable, and with longer battery life. Oh, and I leave my gaming to the desktop that was built for it.

I'm waiting............
By RjBass on 7/21/2008 12:28:51 PM , Rating: 1
..........for the usual lame Crysis comment.

RE: I'm waiting............
By awer26 on 7/21/08, Rating: 0
RE: I'm waiting............
By Polynikes on 7/21/2008 12:40:40 PM , Rating: 5
The new Nvidia mobile GPUs can run Crysis...

But will they blend? That is the question.

RE: I'm waiting............
By 265586888 on 7/21/2008 12:46:36 PM , Rating: 2
Great ;)

G94 with 96 shaders
By R3MF on 7/21/2008 12:44:58 PM , Rating: 3
since when did the G94 have 96 shaders?

RE: G94 with 96 shaders
By homerdog on 7/21/2008 12:51:13 PM , Rating: 3
It doesn't, that whole paragraph appears to be fubar...

RE: G94 with 96 shaders
By toyota on 7/21/2008 2:10:25 PM , Rating: 2
yeah that makes no sense because the G94 only has a max of 64SP.

Faulty laptop chip?
By silversound on 7/21/2008 12:27:14 PM , Rating: 3
I thought nvidia has announced faulty laptop GPU but their shares plummet...
I guess I would get a laptop with a ATi chip then...

RE: Faulty laptop chip?
By Clauzii on 7/21/2008 1:34:41 PM , Rating: 2
And I think they use it as an excuse for the better than expected ATI 48xx-series ;)

By FITCamaro on 7/21/2008 1:29:41 PM , Rating: 2
Wish I could afford a new laptop with hybrid graphics. I need a new one.

RE: Damn
By Jedi2155 on 7/22/2008 1:38:10 AM , Rating: 2
Same here :(, running an ancient Celeron 1.6 GHz (512K Dothan based), and a integrated Radeon Xpres 200M :(.....can't even play sins of a solar at a decent speed :(.

By jay401 on 7/21/2008 1:31:14 PM , Rating: 2

Using the 3D graphics processor from Californian 3D chip manufacturer Nvidia gives the MMI access to the third dimension. Audi has used this chip's outstanding performance with graphics for the first time to provide a genuine 3D map display – a 'digital topographical model'. With this processor, the screen display sets new standards: it is attractive, with high resolution and presentation quality, smooth animation and crossfading.

now 9800mgt is a 9600gt
By jeromekwok on 7/21/2008 9:41:49 PM , Rating: 2
9800gt = 8800gt
9600gso = 8800gs
why don't Nvidia name 9800gtx+ as 9800 ultra?

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