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EVGA GTX 260 FTW Edition  (Source: Newegg)
Newegg has a assortment of GTX 260 cards available

When NVIDIA launches a new GPU is makes headlines all around the internet. The most recent launch for NVIDIA was the new GTX 200 family of GPUs that included the GTX 280 and the GTX 260. The GTX 280 has been available for purchase since the June 16 launch of the cards and the GTX 260 was announced at the same time, but couldn’t be purchased at the official launch.

Today the GTX 260 cards are available to purchase and has a slew of both stock cards carrying the $399.99 MSRP and overclocked cards with higher performance and higher price tags available.

For those shopping for stock cards at $399.99 Newegg has BFG, PNY and a XFX cards available. The three cards are identical save the XFX card ships with a full copy of Assassin’s Creed and have a double lifetime warranty.

The most expensive GTX 260 listed on the site is the EVGA GTX 260 FTW edition retailing for $459.99. The card is overclocked to a devilish 666 MHz on the core and 2,214 MHz on the memory clock. A less overclocked SSC edition from EVGA is available for $424.99 with a 626 MHz core and 2,106 MHz memory clock. An EVGA Superclocked edition GTX 260 is also offered at $409.99, a mere $10 more than the stock clocked cards.

The EVGA Superclocked version has a core clock of 602 MHz (stock is 576 MHz) and the memory clock is 2,052 MHz (stock is 2,000 MHz). Both BFG and XFX have overclocked versions of the GTX 260 coming as well.

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By lewchenko74 on 6/27/2008 11:37:11 AM , Rating: 5
Is there anyone on the planet still considering a 260 from Nvidia now that we have seen the performance of a 4850 or a 4870 from AMD ??? Even the 280 is hard to justify with the 4870 biting at its heels for a fraction of the price!

If there is anyone still out there considering the Nvidia way... then also check yourself into the nearest hospital for an MRI and Psych test. Unless that is of course you have money to burn, which means you are surely going with an SLI 280 solution!

This is coming from an 8800GTX owner who is staring down the upgrade path.... and seeing a 4870 at the end of it.

RE: Seriously...
By Rodney McNaggerton on 6/27/2008 11:39:04 AM , Rating: 5
To clarify, Rodney McNaggerton deems neither one of these "next generation" cards to be worth purchasing. Two 4870's (still 50 dollars cheaper than one 280) will woefully outperform one 280.

RE: Seriously...
By noxipoo on 6/27/2008 11:53:33 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks! i was debating until i heard what Rodney McNaggerton had to say on this issue, now i know i will get 2 4870s.

RE: Seriously...
By JasonMick on 6/27/2008 11:56:07 AM , Rating: 5
I find it kinda scary that you keep referring to yourself in third person in most of your sentences...

RE: Seriously...
By nosfe on 6/27/2008 12:04:04 PM , Rating: 5
he must be a fan of Ormus

RE: Seriously...
By MrBungle123 on 6/27/2008 12:15:11 PM , Rating: 2
that guy always had a great supply of potions and an insatiable appetite for items stolen from the house of meph.

RE: Seriously...
By BladeVenom on 6/27/2008 1:45:03 PM , Rating: 5
Or Bob Dole.

RE: Seriously...
By JediSmurf on 6/27/2008 2:03:39 PM , Rating: 2
I learned the word dichotomy from Ormus.

RE: Seriously...
By just4U on 6/27/2008 5:08:53 PM , Rating: 2

If you smell what he's cookin that is?!

RE: Seriously...
By Alpha4 on 6/27/2008 5:45:55 PM , Rating: 3
Well Alpha4 finds it amusing. ;)

RE: Seriously...
By jadeskye on 6/27/2008 7:39:22 PM , Rating: 3
Jadeskye agrees.

RE: Seriously...
By Dark Legion on 6/27/2008 11:45:18 AM , Rating: 2
Not to mention that a pair of 4870's will outright beat a GTX 280 while still being about $50 cheaper.

RE: Seriously...
By boogle on 6/27/08, Rating: -1
RE: Seriously...
By FITCamaro on 6/27/2008 12:06:57 PM , Rating: 5
As opposed to Nvidia's drivers which just locked up my machine after trying to set some profiles. Where not even removing the drivers and reinstalling fixed it. Causing me to have to restore my OS from a backup.

Yes. Much better. Both systems can have issues. Don't act like Nvidia is perfect.

RE: Seriously...
By BladeVenom on 6/27/2008 1:48:09 PM , Rating: 5
Weren't over 30% of Vista crashes due to Nvidia drivers?

RE: Seriously...
By boogle on 6/27/08, Rating: -1
RE: Seriously...
By Tsuwamono on 6/28/2008 9:14:23 AM , Rating: 1
Matrox owns them both in the industrial range.

RE: Seriously...
By leexgx on 6/28/2008 3:37:06 PM , Rating: 1
CF seems to work with alot of games very rare that it makes the game perform lower then 1 card when the game is not useing both cards (but time to work for CF in games is norm longer)

SLI seems to be bit more unstable to me (just got an second 8800GTX very cheap) i find its better to restart the pc after turning on SLI some times or get an nice BSOD

RE: Seriously...
By jconan on 6/28/2008 12:39:25 AM , Rating: 2
well if you plan on using ieee 754 math 64bit, NV is the only gpu that is 64bit capable...

RE: Seriously...
By phaxmohdem on 6/27/2008 11:54:43 AM , Rating: 2
- I'd wager people looking for high performance Linux cards are interested due to better linux drivers from nVidia.(though their a55 is prolly hurting a bit).
- CUDA developers
- Enthusiasts with the money to spare (Not me sadly :( )
- And that douche kid who drives to High School in daddy's Benz, and can get a pair of 280's in SLI as allowance, to boost the refresh rate of his Facebook page.
- And I'm sure there is someone out there just itching to buy one for me :D .... Someone? ...Anyone?

RE: Seriously...
By FITCamaro on 6/27/2008 12:07:59 PM , Rating: 1
I will. You're just not allowed to eat until it arrives. And.....go.

RE: Seriously...
By mal1 on 6/27/2008 12:09:32 PM , Rating: 2
Trying posting on Craigslist right under the girl who needs a generous benefactor to help her pay her rent/car payment/tuition/medical bills but isn't willing to trade any "favors" in exchange for the help.

RE: Seriously...
By Rodney McNaggerton on 6/27/2008 12:23:26 PM , Rating: 5
- I'd wager people looking for high performance Linux cards are interested due to better linux drivers from nVidia.(though their a55 is prolly hurting a bit).

*Suddenly a fail boat appears over yonder with the words "Welcome phaxmohdem" on a large banner*

Rodney Mcnaggerton would like to inform you that these new video cards launch with linux drivers from day 0, and linux support on ATi cards is really good nowadays.

RE: Seriously...
By wuZheng on 6/27/2008 12:58:13 PM , Rating: 3
mmm, yes and no... go to today's daily hardware roundup on DailyTech and read the phronix review of the 4800 series. Apparently the Linux drivers have yet to be optimised as well as the Windows drivers... not surprising, but yea the 4800 series performs exactly the same as the 3800 series in Linux as of today. But yea, hope for a quick Catalyst update to fix that one.

RE: Seriously...
By dblind1 on 6/27/2008 1:45:22 PM , Rating: 2
You forgot those that want to go green with the new Hybrid Power sli. Of course a 200+ watt video card probably isn't considered 'green'.

RE: Seriously...
By Parhel on 6/27/2008 12:47:22 PM , Rating: 4
Is there anyone on the planet still considering a 260

Probably not. It was irrelevant before it even hit the shelves. Even if they dropped the price to $299, it wouldn't make a bit of difference. Nvidia better execute on the die shrink, and fast.

RE: Seriously...
By Locutus465 on 6/27/2008 2:03:19 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed here, I'm sorry but for the first time in a while AMD/ATI managed to completely silance nVidia's thunder... Sorry guys, better luck next time :)

Of course I'll be sticking with my 3870 for the time being, heck maybe if they plummet in price I'll cross fire them :D

RE: Seriously...
By retrospooty on 6/27/2008 2:06:41 PM , Rating: 5
"Is there anyone on the planet still considering a 260 from Nvidia now that we have seen the performance of a 4850 or a 4870 from AMD ???"

Nvidia absolutely has to lower the price now, and fast - Noone in their right mind would buy it at the current price.

RE: Seriously...
By Staples on 6/27/2008 2:19:03 PM , Rating: 5
I still hear people say they would never buy an ATI card because their drivers suck. This reminds me of Windows Vista. Sure they both had problems a long time ago (Windows Vista when it came out and ATI 5+ years ago) but this FUD is not true anymore however there will still be tons of people who believe it.

RE: Seriously...
By neothe0ne on 6/27/08, Rating: -1
RE: Seriously...
By Sulphademus on 6/27/2008 3:38:12 PM , Rating: 2
I have a friend who refuses ATI based on the drivers. Bad reputations are hard to shake.

I would have to disagree on Vista though. Been rock solid for me at home and at work.

RE: Seriously...
By Warren21 on 6/27/2008 3:58:21 PM , Rating: 2
Having used ATI drivers only recently (since 2005), I can't attest to their attrocious heritage, but CCC has never given me much trouble that wasn't related to user error. I also like the fact new drivers drop at least once every month (more frequently near card launches like this).

One must ask then, what kind of reputation does that give NV as far as the first several months of Vista DX10/SLI drivers?

One must call a spade a spade, whether green or red.

RE: Seriously...
By Sulphademus on 6/27/2008 4:43:36 PM , Rating: 2
Hmmm... well I moved to Vista64 at home this past February with my 8800GTS, so maybe they were straight by then.

@werk we get our boxes with ATI x300s or x1300s. Been using Vista32 with an x1300 since Feb07 without issue. Was ATI just quick on the low end?

RE: Seriously...
By just4U on 6/27/2008 4:55:38 PM , Rating: 2
Is there anyone on the planet still considering a 260 from Nvidia now that we have seen the performance of a 4850 or a 4870 from AMD ???

Yes I would conside it along with the 4850/70 which are exceptional buys.. IF the price was right. It would have to be comparably priced to the 4870. If it was then these
other selling points become a factor to look at.

-The higher bus speed
-More memory
-Runs Cooler

Another key factor is Nvidia's partners and some of it's success hinges on them. Ati's partners are not quite there yet. Evga,BFG, & XFX are a step up from Amd's Sapphire,HIS,
Visiontek, & Powercolor.

HIS appears to be positioning itself along the same lines as XFX, and VisionTek has the potential to be ATI's EVGA. Sapphire would fall somewhere inbetween but they need to sort out their customer service somewhat. Powercolor mmm it's always been a hit/miss for me.. I can see Diamond stepping up in major ways as well so who knows for sure but I'd like to see ALL these companies kick into high gear.

RE: Seriously...
By Totally on 6/28/2008 12:03:32 PM , Rating: 2
Powercolor? They play both fields like Gigabyte and Asus. The big ATi loyalist are pretty much Sapphire and HIS, while Diamond and Visiontek are conservative by comparison.

RE: Seriously...
By just4U on 6/29/2008 2:27:25 PM , Rating: 2
Diamond and Visiontek seem to be on the rise tho.. I see their cards just as much as the HIS now.

Your right about Powercolor altho .. recently it seems I haven't seen any nvidia cards under their name.. atleast not locally.

RE: Seriously...
By KCjoker on 6/27/08, Rating: 0
RE: Seriously...
By GTVic on 6/27/2008 9:26:54 PM , Rating: 2
Don't perpetuate the myth, if you look at the numbers, most current ATI and NVIDIA cards run at a similar temp (around 80C-85C) under load. You can get them to run cooler with aftermarket coolers or remounting the stock one however.

My impression after using the 3850 is that it is quiet (can't hear it over the case fan) and it performs well. So I don't really care if it is running at 80+ degrees Celsius.

RE: Seriously...
By redzonebob on 6/27/08, Rating: -1
RE: Seriously...
By EnderJ on 6/27/2008 10:52:53 PM , Rating: 5
Ya I'm considering buying a GTX260 because one the thing totally out does the Ati 4850 by a freaking mile

Sure for $200 more then a 4850, which is how much it'd cost to buy a 2nd 4850 which kills the GTX 260.. (When CF works right that is.)

and probably will have the same performance as the 4870 so don't give this BS about the card not being worth it

It has a hard time keeping up with the 4870 for the most part, plus it's $100 more then the 4870.

do you freaking research first before you start blabbing on about it.

Pot meet Kettle?

RE: Seriously...
By Totally on 6/28/2008 12:06:34 PM , Rating: 2
he's in denial

RE: Seriously...
By redzonebob on 6/28/08, Rating: 0
RE: Seriously...
By Aloonatic on 6/30/2008 4:36:10 AM , Rating: 1
This is the sort of comment that I come to DT for.

Great entertainment and it has put a smile on my face this sunny Monday morning (after a weekend on cloudy dullness), which I thought was impossible.

RE: Seriously...
By BikeDude on 6/29/2008 5:43:57 AM , Rating: 2
I am a bit tempted by the 280 actually, BUT... I am fed up with nVidia's poor driver quality. Their QA seem to have been asleep for quite a while now. Maybe they've improved immensely the past four months, but I somehow doubt it.

So I am very happy to see AMD ship something affordable that also packs quite a punch. Now I have a choice, and I am eager to ditch nVidia based on driver quality alone. I tried for a long time to find a way to provide detailed bug feedback to nVidia, and failed. I doubt AMD is much better, but I am going to give them some business and see what happens.

Heck, with these prices there isn't much I can lose.

RE: Seriously...
By redzonebob on 6/29/2008 3:23:54 PM , Rating: 2
what type of graphic card do you have from Nvidia because there are a few with some bad drivers because my 8800 GS from Nvidia has awesome drivers that I'm using with XP x64-bit and i don't have any bugs at all and what version of windows are you using to because i know that when i used windows vista x64-bit sp1 my graphic card had a lot of problems with it and crashed a lot to so i went back to XP and wallah no problems with the drivers.

RE: Seriously...
By BikeDude on 6/30/2008 4:58:44 AM , Rating: 2
I have a 7800 GTX at home, and 8800GTM (IIRC) in my MacBookPro. The former usually runs Win2003 Server, the latter Vista64.

But... Last fall, I upgraded the nVidia drivers and was no longer able to play DVD movies for more than 30 minutes. A colleague with a Dell Latitude XPS1330 (IIRC) told me he was going to reinstall Vista because of instabilities. Surprise, surprise, Dell used the same driver revision that I had to abandon at home some months earlier. I told my colleague to grab a newer driver from, and then his system ran smoothly, no re-install required. Dell eventually put out new drivers, but...

And there is more. ForceWare 79.11 is the last driver that supports PAE. If I boot up my Windows 2003 with all 4GB memory visible, I will not be able to play any Direct-X titles. They simply abandoned PAE testing. (maybe that changed during the past six months, but I am not wasting more time on testing that particular bug)

My laptop that runs Vista has issues loading the color profile I created using a profiler. Turns out nVidia's driver loads its own driver shortly after I log on, so I have to load the correct profile manually after nVidia's crapware has performed its sabotage. (I googled around and found many angry nVidia customers experiencing the same issue)

To me, it is inexcusable to release a display driver incapabable of DVD playback (total freeze after no more than 30 minutes). If their QA is so poor, then they need to make absolutely sure customers are able to file bug reports. On a similar note, when they added PAE support in ForceWare 55, they should make sure they don't drop that support accidentally in the future.

So no, I don't trust nVidia. They were late out of the gate with half-decent Vista drivers, and that was all their own fault. It wasn't as if Vista shipped ahead of schedule. nVidia had all the time in the world to prepare. Windows 7 will be easier, seeing as MS have given up on doing any changes that might affect the Vista driver model. Companies like nVidia are effectively hindering progress in the OS.

RE: Seriously...
By redzonebob on 6/30/2008 1:01:30 PM , Rating: 2
Well there is your problem because the support for windows server 2003 with any video driver from both Nvidia and Ati for servers usually suck because i have tried to run my graphic card on server 2003 and it sucked terribly because the drivers are not yet mature enough for servers and plus why run a game on windows server 2003 anyway that's just asking for trouble and on top of that vista sucks to so that's your other problem because it has been known that vista always has trouble with graphic cards that have direct 9 and support only direct x9 because my friend has an x1950xtx from ati and he tried to run vista and it lagged so bad and his gaming performance dropped dramatically in almost all of his games so that's your other problem. All i have to say is get a new graphic card that supports windows vista that has direct x10 or direct x10.1 and you should not have any problems at all with videos because one it your video decoder that needs to be fixed i had the same problem before and i just torrent a new decoder and now all my videos work great.

By blckgrffn on 6/27/2008 11:40:51 AM , Rating: 2
1 GTX260 or 4850 CF...

Same price...



RE: Hmmm....
By killerroach on 6/27/2008 12:38:13 PM , Rating: 2
Some of us only have one PCIe x16 slot :)

Of course, in that case, I'll probably just take a 4870, which, oddly enough, would be my first ATI card since my old 9500 Pro (wow, that thing was an overclocking beast... was kinda disappointed when I found out that the GF6600 I replaced it with was only barely faster once OCs were taken into consideration).

RE: Hmmm....
By GDstew4 on 6/27/2008 2:03:47 PM , Rating: 2
9500pro served me well for a long time too. Sporting an x1950XT at the moment but I'm still on a single core 3500+. For a long time I thought my next setup would include nvidia, but this Christmas it's looking like I'll be batting for the red team 5 years and counting.

RE: Hmmm....
By siberus on 6/27/2008 3:16:30 PM , Rating: 2
Mine was a 9800se that i softmodded to a 9800pro and overclocked to near xt levels :)
I'm currently using a 8800 gt 320. Waiting for the end of the year to buy a new rig upgrading gpu's wont help me until I get more power under the hood. My comps been crashing alot lately hopefully it can hold out until Nehalem or Bulldozer.(thinking hd or ram issue)

RE: Hmmm....
By Sulphademus on 6/27/2008 3:34:48 PM , Rating: 2
A 9500? My last ATI was the Radeon 64 DDR! I have had a 4200 128, 7600GS 256, and now an 8800GTS 320 since. I am wondering though, I upgraded monitors this year and my gaming performance has gone to pot. Dual 22" LCDs from dual 19" CRTs. Moving from 1164 to 1650w has killed my framerate. So would the huge amount of extra RAM on the GTX's be more beneficial over the 48xx?

RE: Hmmm....
By Warren21 on 6/27/2008 3:52:26 PM , Rating: 3
Not really.

The 4870 actually has more memory bandwidth (115.x GB/s) than the GTX 260 despite the delta in bus width; 256-bit and 448-bit respectively. Also the new memory sub-system in the RV770 core (2 k bit (aka 2048-bit) hub) means that the RV770 can fetch memory data reaaaaaallllllllyyyyyy fast... I think the Anand article cited 192GB/s internal bandwidth.

Long story short, at 16 x 10, the textures/memory data won't be sitting around long enough to draw attention to the 'small' 512MB frame buffer. (3.6 GHz effective memory clock ftw, anyone?)

RE: Hmmm....
By Sulphademus on 6/27/2008 4:35:08 PM , Rating: 2
Well... not to mention The Simpsons or Battlestar Galactica running simultaneously at full screen on the other display =)

This be not news worthy
By Rodney McNaggerton on 6/27/2008 11:37:49 AM , Rating: 3
A card who is outperformed by a hundred dollar cheaper card from Nvidia's competitor. Thus, Rodney McNaggerton deems this to be naut newsworthy.

RE: This be not news worthy
By bupkus on 6/27/2008 5:53:55 PM , Rating: 2
Must change name to Sir Rodney MaNaggerton

RE: This be not news worthy
By bupkus on 6/27/2008 5:54:31 PM , Rating: 3
Uhh... the 3rd.

By Rodney McNaggerton on 6/27/2008 11:01:51 PM , Rating: 3
Dear sirs,
Oh my god you're right.

Steven J. Van Vulkenburg the 3rd

By nerdye on 6/27/2008 1:38:57 PM , Rating: 3
The 280 and 260 are both available at newegg right now! Not that I recommend buying either, lol.

RE: Newegg
By bunnyfubbles on 6/27/2008 3:35:06 PM , Rating: 2
ah but considering all 5 flavors of 4870s currently listed on Newegg are all sold out, if you want that level of performance right now you'll have to fork up for the 260! Of course you could always just wait...or buy two 4850s.

Major ouch for NVIDIA
By gochichi on 6/28/2008 3:18:30 PM , Rating: 2
These cards just seem so expensive to make, and then they don't perform too well. Really reminds me of the 3dFX's final Voodoo 5. You know, the card that sunk the king of 3D.

Don't get me wrong, Nvidia isn't going to go under like 3dFX as the 8800GT is STILL a great choice, particularly as it is so thrifty on the power consumption. These cards must be interim cards, NVIDIA needs to release something new that's made on a smaller die and 55nm.

The ultra-high-end is just a silly place anymore. The few people crazy enough to buy 30" LCDs for gaming (the 2560 X 1600 displays) are thinning down from a very small % to begin with now that there are so many 1080P HDTV options at those sizes (great options for PC gaming). I have the most underdog card that's even covered, the HD 3870 and still my 24" LCD gets all the nutrition it needs from it.

Crysis is a good lil' benchmark, but the game isn't as good as the far better COD4. So not only will I not spend extra to run Crysis better, I won't spend $50.00 to buy it period.

AMD/ATI have the right idea, I think we all pretty much think $200.00 or even $300.00 is a fantastic price for a "don't ever have to worry about the settings" kind of graphics cards. Any higher than that and you get into a real problem: You have to be stupid to buy a $500.00 graphics card that is not as well designed as a $300.00 one, and you have to have a lot of money... and stupid and a lot of money don't go hand in hand.

RE: Major ouch for NVIDIA
By gochichi on 6/28/2008 3:25:43 PM , Rating: 2
NVIDIA needs a true follow up to the 8800GT, a replacement product. They need a new card that costs $200.00 that does what the 8800GT did. AMD has guaranteed that above $300.00 is just irrelevant anymore. Nvidia needs to get with the program.

On the topic of what to ACTUALLY buy right now. I am most tempted by the idea of getting a 4850, using the $25.00 rebates (can you believe they have rebates!!??) and putting it towards an after market cooler like the Thermaltake Dualorb. Then you have a cheap, cool running graphics beast at just a hair over $200.

I wonder...
By thartist on 6/27/2008 9:07:30 PM , Rating: 2
if we could care less about the g2xx cards. Not even with price drops.

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