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Toshiba Satellite WXW with GeForce 8700M GT (Source: Toshiba)
The GeForce 8700M GT joins the GeForce 8M lineup, replacing the GeForce Go 7950GTX as the enthusiast mobile GPU

NVIDIA has launched the latest mobile graphics processor targeting mobile enthusiast segments – the GeForce 8700M GT. The new GeForce 8700M GT is the latest addition to NVIDIA’s GeForce 8M lineup and joins the previously released GeForce 8600M and 8400M model lineup.

The new GeForce 8700M GT replaces the existing GeForce Go 7950 GTX as the top dog of NVIDIA’s notebook lineup. NVIDIA claims 3DMark05 scores of 10,371 with the GeForce 8700M GT on default settings. A comparable GeForce Go 7950 GTX scores 9,395 in 3DMark05. The GeForce 8700M GT is also 27-34% faster than the GeForce Go 7950 GTX in Half Life 2: Lost Coast and Far Cry.

NVIDIA packs the GeForce 8700M GT with 32 stream processors clocked at 1.25 GHz. The overall core clock is 625 MHz and paired with 800 MHz, 1.6 GHz effectively, memory. NVIDIA specifies a maximum 512MB of video memory on GeForce 8700M GT graphics cards. Aside from the clock speeds, the GeForce 8700M GT is identical to the previously released GeForce 8600M-series.

NVIDIA GeForce 8M

GeForce 8400M G GeForce 8400M GT
GeForce 8600M GT
GeForce 8700M GT
Stream Processors
8 16
  32
32
Core clock
400 MHz
450 MHz
475 MHz
625 MHz
Shader clock
800 MHz 900 MHz
950 MHz
1250 MHz
Memory clock
600 MHz 600 MHz
700 MHz
800 MHz
Maximum memory
256MB 512MB
512MB
512MB
Memory interface
64-bit 128-bit128-bit
128-bit
Memory bandwidth (GB/sec)
9.6 19.222.4
25.6
Texture fill rate (billion/sec)
3.2 3.67.6
10

As with the other models in the GeForce 8M lineup, the GeForce 8700M GT features NVIDIA’s second-generation PureVideo HD video processor. The second-generation PureVideo HD video processor handles bistream processing, inverse transform, motion compensation and deblocking tasks in hardware for minimal CPU utilization when decoding high-definition AVC/H.264 video formats.

Expect the GeForce 8700M GT to grace notebooks from the usual NVIDIA partners such as Toshiba, Sager, Eurocom, Evesham, Falcon Northwest, Vigor Gaming, Voodoo PC and others.

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How long
By RMTimeKill on 6/14/2007 4:47:09 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder how long before its available, the wife wants a new machine and I think I ma just going to get her a nice laptop...




RE: How long
By ninjit on 6/14/07, Rating: -1
RE: How long
By Pirks on 6/14/2007 4:53:04 PM , Rating: 1
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_43357.html

"For our new top-end Toshiba Satellite notebook PC we are proud to be the first company to use the NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT GPU to deliver greatly enhanced graphics and video," said Shimpei Kunii, General Manager of PC Product Planning Department at Toshiba Corporation. "We believe these new notebooks will provide the ultimate high-resolution DirectX 10 gaming experience for our mobile customers."

why crapple notebook when you can get decent toshiba with a REAL video pretty soon?


RE: How long
By animedude on 6/14/2007 5:15:04 PM , Rating: 5
Getting a 8700M means gaming. Why would you get a Macbook for gaming?


RE: How long
By THEiNTERNETS on 6/14/2007 6:18:43 PM , Rating: 3
I think what you meant to say is why would you get a laptop for gaming?


RE: How long
By GoodBytes on 6/14/2007 6:23:31 PM , Rating: 2
To install Vista on it of course! And play games with...your...1....button...mouse... :P


RE: How long
By ebakke on 6/14/2007 6:30:40 PM , Rating: 2
....because people actually use a touch pad when gaming...?

In case you were unaware, Apple has supported a multi-button mouse for years. They just chose to include a 1 button by default. Plug in any USB mouse and you're off. But if you're actually playing with the touchpad... well then you're on your own.


RE: How long
By DokGonzo on 6/14/2007 8:14:24 PM , Rating: 3
It's not about gaming with the touch pad, it's about controlling Windows or Linux in everyday situations. And yes, I would run Windows/Linux on a Mac some of the time since there are so many programs that are just not available for Mac.


RE: How long
By retrospooty on 6/14/2007 7:17:15 PM , Rating: 2
LOL !


RE: How long
By animedude on 6/15/2007 2:15:46 AM , Rating: 2
People living at college want to game so the best option is a laptop. Now you can get a 14.4" - 15" laptop and it can game fairly well.


RE: How long
By StevoLincolnite on 6/15/2007 12:10:44 PM , Rating: 2
Not only those at college, I goto allot of LAN party's, and I find it hilarious when people lug around they're huge cases and monitors, And yet I still have better performance than most of them.
These are probably my top 5 list of the advantages for having a laptop.

1) Power saving.
2) Consume very little space.
3) Portability, go outside and sit on the lawn while looking up pr0n or chat away to friends.
4) Watching DVD's while sitting on the bus.
5) Powerful
Mind you laptops have come along way performance wise since the old Integrated 2D graphics years ago, when desktops were enjoying 3D, And the Pentium M was the first try of the P6 architecture since the Netburst, which paved the way for the Core 2 duo series of processors.


RE: How long
By MonkeyPaw on 6/14/2007 6:23:02 PM , Rating: 2
Because you can dual boot it and game from a basic XP install. I don't own a Mac, and if you can get a windows-only notebook with better specs for a better price, I understand, but the MBP's really do have nice specs.


RE: How long
By animedude on 6/15/2007 2:23:12 AM , Rating: 3
If you do not know, there are a lot of driver issues. Why bother with all those issues when everything and more can be done on Windows? Nice specs come at a price premium, especially Apple. A lot of people are getting the MBP just to be cool.


RE: How long
By akugami on 6/14/2007 7:35:49 PM , Rating: 2
How about getting the best of both worlds. Don't get me wrong, Macbooks are still on the upper end of the price scale but you can dual boot into Windows XP or Vista and it's a regular PC.

Eventually software like VMWARE or Parallel might even work on a Mac without booting into Windows and only have roughly 5-10% overhead. With the work being done on virtualization both in hardware and softare I definitely think this is possible.


RE: How long
By themadmilkman on 6/14/07, Rating: -1
RE: How long
By Pirks on 6/14/07, Rating: 0
RE: How long
By AntDX316 on 6/15/2007 8:45:51 AM , Rating: 2
the 7950GTX go is 13.8 billion texel fill rate along with 44.8gb per second on the memory bandwidth now isnt the 7950GTX go faster than the 8700M????????


RE: How long
By Haltech on 6/14/2007 6:26:43 PM , Rating: 2
Just read the last paragraph. There out now.


Come on Dell
By gigahertz20 on 6/14/2007 6:14:01 PM , Rating: 2
What I want to know is when Dell is going to finally get these in, my brother wants a new laptop I told him to wait until the mobile Geforce 8 series comes out....come on Dell!!




RE: Come on Dell
By Nfarce on 6/14/2007 8:31:01 PM , Rating: 3
Amen to that. I've been using an E1705 @ 1920x1200 for mobile gaming for over a year now, and I'm waiting to upgrade to a DX10 system. I hate to be a fanboy, but I can't build my own laptop LOL.


RE: Come on Dell
By RjBass on 6/14/2007 10:28:44 PM , Rating: 1
And why you would waste your money on a Dell anything is beyond me.

I service more Dell desktops and laptops then any other brand. Mostly due to the sub par hardware inside them.


RE: Come on Dell
By ghost101 on 6/15/2007 3:26:03 AM , Rating: 3
Mostly because they are one of the most common laptops out there.


RE: Come on Dell
By NoSoftwarePatents on 6/15/2007 9:46:01 PM , Rating: 2
Dell laptops you can actually repair YOURSELF. Instruction manuals are floating around-the majority of other laptop vendors are integrated, so you need to send it to the shop, which is more expensive, money-wise, and time-wise.

Until Dell stops publishing the repair manuals, I will continue to buy their laptops.

Now their desktops, I can't vouch for, but this Dell 24 inch panel I am using to see this message with is top notch, and it's already 1 year old...


Marketing hype naming
By qwerty1 on 6/14/07, Rating: 0
RE: Marketing hype naming
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 6/14/2007 5:02:20 PM , Rating: 3
Hmmm if you want to talk about false advertising, what about a Radeon 9800 SE?


RE: Marketing hype naming
By qwerty1 on 6/14/2007 5:04:53 PM , Rating: 2
Yes that too... and that radeon x1900 that got a spec change or something like that... they all suck :X


RE: Marketing hype naming
By webdawg77 on 6/14/2007 5:54:54 PM , Rating: 2
X1950GT ;) just before the X1950Pro came out.


RE: Marketing hype naming
By AMDJunkie on 6/14/2007 6:09:13 PM , Rating: 2
The last generation of Nvidia mid-range hardware also had the 7700. What was the difference? Excellent question! From what I gathered comparing specs of laptops, the 7700 was the mobile 7600 with 512 MB of RAM, instead of 256. There was also a mobile 7600GT offered, which raises the question if an alphabetical "GT" designation was worth more than an extra 100 to your numerical designation.


Decent driver support please?
By InternetGeek on 6/14/2007 6:50:20 PM , Rating: 2
Above anything else I would like to see driver support for these chips from nVidia for all OSs out there.

For example the Go 7900GS has no driver support for Vista, so most laptop owners with these chips have to make do with the manufacturer's driver which is normally 2 o 3 versions old, or hack the current driver.




RE: Decent driver support please?
By Tommyguns on 6/15/2007 9:45:15 PM , Rating: 2
I bought a dell E1705 the other day and am fairly happy with its performance.
for 1385.43 shipped, its well worth the money.
T7200, 7900GS GPU, 1gb ram, 80gb harddrive, dual batteries, the best screen i could get, dvdrw, blue tooth, 802.11N, vist home prem...

Try getting something of equivlant for that price shipped too your door, all in 3 days. Not gonna happen. The Toshiba is nice, but its a lot more $. Gateway has a similer system, but that was over $400 more.

Wipe the drive, clean install, and you got a great machine. heck. To me, the GTX is not worth another grand. besides, if you research laptops enough, you will find that people are able to get the gtx into their 1705's which is nice to know down the road.

So, for under 1400, and (after about an hour or 2 between gateway and dell, a couple of sales people, and a supervisor or two, amazing rebates and quotes are possible. just cause its a dell, does not mean it sucks. it all comes down to the parts and price. skimp on the stuff dell makes a high margin on, and upgrade those later. (ram, hd, os)

I bought it so i dont have to move my rig home when i visit from school on breaks.

Also, drivers all work flawlessly. do you think dell would allow a product that shares the platform with three other models to have poor driver support? comon. have some faith and quit the bashing


By InternetGeek on 6/16/2007 8:17:47 PM , Rating: 2
How do you assume I'm using Dell? I'm actually on a Toshiba laptop. nVidia themselves allowed Toshiba to launch this laptop using their chip BEFORE they launched the chip themselves, and left it there. Just like it that.

Besides my comment is aimed at nVidia. For some reason the Go 7900 only has support for WinXP. People who bought the 'Windows Vista Capable' laptops a little more than a year ago have to make do with limited driver support if they want to install vista.


RE: Decent driver support please?
By humbi83 on 6/18/2007 3:18:57 AM , Rating: 2
How about for the same price a fs xi1554, t7200, 2 gigs of ram, 2x120gigs of hdds, 17"@1900x1200, x1900 with 256 mb, Vista home prm and all the connectivity(bt,wifi a/b/g,card reader, etc.).
I admit that the video drivers need some inf tweaking because amd/ati doesn't support x1900 mobility and I couldn't get the ccc working on them, but all in all I have the latest drivers(desktop with inf modding) that work ok on Vista. I'm even considering switching to Vista for good (I dual boot vista/xp).


of course.
By 0uterlimitz on 6/14/2007 6:42:08 PM , Rating: 2
and next month you have the 8800M's with 256bit memory interface..




RE: of course.
By Dactyl on 6/17/2007 12:02:28 AM , Rating: 2
Why would an high clocked mid-range card be for "enthusiasts"? That's for kids who want a fast card, don't have much money, and are willing to sacrifice things like battery life.

An ENTHUSIAST mobile GPU would have 128 stream processors and would be clocked around 450 MHz. A lower clock rate would mean less voltage is necessary to run it, which means it would have decent battery life. If they're really clever, they would figure out how to disable most of the stream processors when the laptop didn't need much graphics oomph, so battery life would be conserved further.


RE: of course.
By Mathijs Moonen on 6/17/2007 5:42:25 AM , Rating: 2
I agree, in the Go (now M) 6-7-8 series, the most interesting cards for a laptop are the x600 due to their power consumption/performance balance. If you get something higher clocked in the same series, you will probably not have a portable but a transportable. I don't think I would wait for other 8M chips to come out and but the very decent 8600M GT right now. If I want to game in very high resolutions, wait a year or two or buy yourself a PC with decent graphics.


Power Usage
By Egglick on 6/15/2007 4:26:30 AM , Rating: 2
I would've rather seen them drop the memory down to 256MB (like the desktop chips) and use slightly higher core clocks. Doesn't the extra memory use more power than a clock increase?

Of course, I'm sure it was done for marketing reasons. Most people only understand video memory and nothing else.




RE: Power Usage
By Haltech on 6/15/2007 5:49:46 PM , Rating: 2
The article said a maximum of 512mb of memory which probably means there making 256 for better power managment


Nvidia keeps upping the ante
By scrapsma54 on 6/18/2007 2:24:11 AM , Rating: 2
First the 8800ultra and now this? I think Nvidia's engineers are lacking again. I think ati is once again clobbering nvidia because ati seems to come up with the more efficeient pipelines. It is seen that the hd 2900 is in some areas superior to the gtx and also has a higher score under 3dmark than the gtx. If Ati releases a 65nm revision of the 2900 and gives it more shaders or a higher clock, then Nvidia has reason to fret.




WTH are they thinking?
By soconne on 6/14/07, Rating: -1
RE: WTH are they thinking?
By MightyAA on 6/14/07, Rating: 0
RE: WTH are they thinking?
By Tamale on 6/14/2007 11:16:00 PM , Rating: 1
7950 mobile guys. mobile. different card.


RE: WTH are they thinking?
By bob661 on 6/15/2007 12:29:25 AM , Rating: 1
Exactly, these are mobile chips. Not comparable to the desktop chips. Two different things here.


RE: WTH are they thinking?
By MightyAA on 6/15/2007 12:33:40 AM , Rating: 2
What are you all smoking? I have the GeForce Go 7950GTX 512 Meg, and the article even mentions that this new 8700M is replacing it. This is a mobile GPU that's been out for about a year. The new card is slower than the old.


RE: WTH are they thinking?
By Assimilator87 on 6/14/2007 11:50:26 PM , Rating: 2
Since you already mention the bandwidth disparity between the two, there's no point in iterating the different bit width of the memory interfaces. It's not the interface that matters, it's the overall bandwidth. Who cares if the M.I. is 1 bit if the memory runs at a bazillion Ghz?


RE: WTH are they thinking?
By AntDX316 on 6/15/2007 8:48:53 AM , Rating: 2
they have to fall in the lines of the MXM voltage allotted power and lower wattage u know the high end graphics cards of todays desktops require u to tap into a 12V line sometimes 2 the MXM requires u to tap into non so possible the 7950GTX go is maxed on power per total watt usage u know


RE: WTH are they thinking?
By Haltech on 6/15/2007 5:46:50 PM , Rating: 2
The new GPU has stream processors which perform better then non stream proccessors. Better power managment, better rendering etc


RE: WTH are they thinking?
By OtakuMax on 6/17/2007 6:41:24 AM , Rating: 2
If more bandwidth and more raw computing power means better performance, then chip designers are out of business long ago!

The claim from NVidia is from 3DMark2005 and Far Cry. (Just as you said, READ THE ARTICLE!)

One thing to complain about the article: There is a reason why NVidia stopped providing specs in terms of bandwidth and fillrate!

Take memory bandwidth for example, the raw memory bandwidth actually does not mean much if the GPU keeps accessing different rows in a DRAM bank! (All those bandwidth just goes to waiting for a row to be activated.) ie. Tuning the DRAM controller makes a huge difference!

(Actually, there is another reason for the reduction in bus width. Off chip pins is expensive in both area and power, so if there is a way to have higher performance with less pins, it will be done. )

Anyway, raw numbers does not matter that much if the real performance is good. As long as the real performance is as good, why complain? (In fact, it is scary how they can provide the same performance with 1/2 the bandwidth and 3/4 the fillrate. How much raw power was wasted in the 7-series???)


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