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Severe problems found in temperature monitoring network.

Earlier this year, the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration reported 2006 as ”the warmest year on record" for the United States-- a statement the media trumpeted from coast to coast.  A few months later, the NOAA revised their figures, saying it was actually the second warmest on record.  Unsurprisingly, the correction drew little attention.

But just how accurate are these figures?  The NOAA generates them from a network of 1,221 simple weather stations, usually no more a thermometer inside a tiny wooden hut, most operated by volunteers, not scientists.  The network has been in operation since 1900, and provides the official baseline data for both the NOAA and global warming modelers.  To ensure accurate data, the sites are supposed to conform to several guidelines, such as minimum distance from other buildings, hot pavement, etc.

California meteorologist Anthony Watts began surveying these sites recently, to see just how well they're being maintained.   His site, surfacestations.org, has detailed a surprising number being operated in a manner guaranteed to compromise their data.  The problem is recent development, which has placed many sites next to direct or indirect sources of heat.

In a prime example, a site in Orland, CA (which meets good guidelines) has shown a pattern of declining temperatures for many years.  A few miles away, a station in Marysville has shown a rising pattern...but the station is now next to dark asphalt, and only a few feet from the exhaust vent of a commercial AC unit.  Another site is near a large barrel used for burning trash.  One site even had a light bulb burning inside the tiny enclosed hut, effectively warming the thermometer by several degrees.

Surfacestations.org has only surveyed 48 of the total sites, but problems abound.  Watts says this raises serious doubts about the accuracy of the network, the only source of long-term historical data for US temperature data.

The NOAA did not return a request for comments on the accuracy of their monitoring network.



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I don't get it...
By oTAL (blog) on 6/18/2007 12:41:04 PM , Rating: 5
You know what... I don't get it!
Some time ago the general argument was that global warming wasn't happening. Then, when proof became too large to ignore, the argument changed to "It's not man made! There's nothing we can do!". I recall several articles in which you used this same argument: Yes, it's happening... but it's not our fault and there's nothing we can do about it!

Now suddenly you go back to "Maybe it's not even happening".

I'm all for critical thinking and I give both camps the benefit of the doubt (even though I lean more towards trusting the findings of one of them). I do find this article interesting and it is important to test the validity of scientific studies.

What I don't get is you (and others with similar attitude). Why do you want so badly to create doubt about global? Does it make you sleep better, feeling safer?

What do you believe is fact? You seem to change what you believe in... or rather believe in everything that points out flaws in man-made global warming...

Is the planet warming up or not? Do you consider the possibility that man-made global warming is happening or do you disregard any evidence pointing in that direction?
I'm honestly curious about that...




RE: I don't get it...
By BPB on 6/18/2007 12:51:38 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
What I don't get is you (and others with similar attitude). Why do you want so badly to create doubt about global? Does it make you sleep better, feeling safer?
I myself am no longer at all sure what I believe. but I wonder, wouldn't the question be just as provocative if it said: What I don't get is you (and others with similar attitude). Why do you want so badly to believe in global warming? Does it make you sleep better, feeling better or smarter than others? Are you making money off of it? Does it help you to hurt those with whom you disagree?


RE: I don't get it...
By Kefner on 6/18/2007 2:29:21 PM , Rating: 2
I was thinking the exact same thing when I read his post.


RE: I don't get it...
By Chillin1248 (blog) on 6/18/2007 8:08:17 PM , Rating: 2
As for Antarctic ice, here's a recent article from Geophysical Research Abstracts, Vol. 8 (2006). It demonstrates an overall increase in Antarctic mass balance:

http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU06/08427/EGU06-J...

Here's another, from Science, Nov 2005 (reprinted):

quote:
A Norwegian-led team used the ERS data to measure elevation changes in the Greenland Ice Sheet from 1992 to 2003, finding recent growth in the interior sections estimated at around six centimetres per year during the study period

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-11/esa...

Another from Science:

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Satellite radar altimetry measurements indicate that the East Antarctic ice-sheet interior north of 81.6°S increased in mass by 45 ± 7 billion metric tons per year from 1992 to 2003

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/308...

One from Nature last year, showing growth in the East Antarctic:

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050516/full/050516...

An earlier one, showing similar growth in the West Antarctic:

quote:
The West Antarctic ice sheet has been retreating for several thousand years, so to look now and see that it is growing is staggering to me ," [Professor] Tulaczyk said.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/01/02013...

Another, this one back in 2002:

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We find strong evidence for ice-sheet growth (+26.8 gigatons per year), in contrast to earlier estimates indicating a mass deficit (20.9 gigatons per year).

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/295...

I know that most of the links are dead by now, but I assure you that if you search enough in the Internet Time Machine (http://www.archive.org/web/web.php) you will find them .

The accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998. Oddly, this eight-year-long temperature stasis has occurred despite an increase over the same period of 15 parts per million (or 4 per cent) in atmospheric CO2.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,2...

Also this (courtesy of Masher):

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We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster or social change to come and bomb us back into the Stone Age , where we might live like Indians in our valley, with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our homemade religions-- guilt free at last!
Environmentalist Stewart Brand, writing in the Whole Earth catalogue.

quote:
If environmentalists were to invent a disease to bring human population back to sanity, it would probably be something like Aids. Aids has the potential to end industrialism , which is the main force behind the environmental crisis
from the Earth First newsletter.

quote:
"I'd wish [to be reincarnated as] a killer virus, to lower human population levels"
Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, speaking as leader of the World Wildlife Fund.

quote:
We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down the existing dams, free shackled rivers, and return to wilderness tens and tens of millions of acres of settled land
Environmentalist David Foreman, founder of Earth First.

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The planet has broken out with fever, and we [human beings] are the disease. We should be at war with ourselves and our lifestyles.
Environmentalist Thomas Lovejoy, speaking as Asst. Secretary of the Smithsonian.

And how about one of the most famous environmentalists of all, Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist, and author of several books on forced deindustrialization of the US and other nations.

Here's a few of the scientists who don't believe in global warming alarmism:

Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.
Dr. Richard Lindzen, Sloane Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT.
Dr. Frederick Seitz, former president, National Academy of Sciences.
Dr. Richard Gray, Meteorologist, Colorado State Univ.
Dr. Henrik Svensmark, Astrophysicist, Danish Space Research Institute
Dr. Nir Shariv, Astrophysicist, Univ. of Jerusalem
Dr. V.K. Raina, Glaciologist, Geologic Soc. of India
Patrick Michaels, State Climatologist Virginia
David Legates, State Climatologist Delaware
Dr. George Taylor, State Climatologist Oregon (fired just last month by the Governor for failing to toe the party line)
Dr. Ian D. Clark, hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, University of Ottawa
Dr. Tad Murty, professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa
Dr. R. Timothy Patterson, professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University, Ottawa
Dr. Fred Michel, director, Institute of Environmental Science, Carleton University, Ottawa
Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ont.
Dr. Tim Ball, professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg; environmental consultant
Dr. Andreas Prokoph, professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa
Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc, fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society
Dr. Christopher Essex, associate director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.
Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta
Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.
Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in environmental studies and climate change, Dept. of Economics, University of Victoria
Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Dept. of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax
Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization.
Dr. Keith D. Hage, professor emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta
Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The University of Auckland, N.Z.
Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia
Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia
Mr. William Kininmonth, Australasian Climate Research, former Head National Climate Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology.
Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute
Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand
Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, professor of environmental sciences, University of Virginia
Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics & geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden
Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif.
Dr. Roy W. Spencer, principal research scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville
Dr. Al Pekarek, professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, Minn.
Dr. Marcel Leroux, professor emeritus of climatology, University of Lyon, France
Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC.
Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist.
Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, U.K
Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas
Dr. August H. Auer, University of Wyoming; previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand
Dr. Vincent Gray, expert reviewer for the IPCC ..
Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of Connecticut
Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, Imperial College London, U.K.
Dr. S. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences, University of Virginia; former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service
Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and geophysics, Utrecht University; past president of the Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Society
Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston, Mass.
Douglas Hoyt, NCAR, NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland
Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, official IPCC reviewer, Bavaria, Germany
Dr. Boris Winterhalter, marine researcher, Geological Survey of Finland.
Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden
Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.
Dr. Richard S. Courtney, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.


RE: I don't get it...
By brandonmichael on 6/18/2007 8:19:43 PM , Rating: 4
ok, thats obnoxious. If I were to type out the name of every scientist who believes the data on global warming we could be here for weeks. The list is impressive, but you could have said "prominant environmentalists" like everyone else.

Just out of curiosity how did you compile your list?


RE: I don't get it...
By Chillin1248 (blog) on 6/18/07, Rating: 0
RE: I don't get it...
By Lightning III on 6/19/2007 12:09:09 PM , Rating: 3
missing the fine print don't beleive in ALARMISM not necessarily global Warming


RE: I don't get it...
By GreenyMP on 7/14/2007 2:47:01 PM , Rating: 2
I was hoping the polar ice caps would melt so that Megatron would finally be released.


RE: I don't get it...
By Performance Fanboi on 6/18/2007 12:53:05 PM , Rating: 2
You Know What? I don't get YOU! - Is there a single word in the article challenging the theory of global warming? You seem to have a problem with the fact that some of the data is being corrupted by poor practices - if the temperature trend was downwards making it appear as though global warming was not true would you still not care that the data is warped? Peoplee like you are a dime a dozen - you only believe the science that supports you and ignore all other indications.


RE: I don't get it...
By oTAL (blog) on 6/18/07, Rating: 0
RE: I don't get it...
By TheGreek on 6/20/2007 1:19:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Using a somewhat famous quote here on DT: Who pissed on your Cherios?

That in a nutshell is the sole function and purpose for MAsher and DT. It's not about facts, truth, objectivity, science, none of that. It's about argumentative sparring and one-upmanship with a weak veil of science wrapped around it.

I wonder how many people MAsher's "scientific" ancestors stoned when the first ideas that the earth wasn't flat started circulating.


RE: I don't get it...
By BMFPitt on 6/19/2007 12:14:42 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
You Know What? I don't get YOU! - Is there a single word in the article challenging the theory of global warming?
Click on MAsher's blog. Every article is about how global warming is fake. I would be fine with this if I got the sense that he cared whether what he was selling were true.


RE: I don't get it...
By TomZ on 6/19/2007 12:21:34 AM , Rating: 2
C'mon, get real - of course he believes this stuff is true. He has pretty clearly put forward his view that the scientific evidence supporting significant human-induced global warming is questionable at best, and more likely just plain wrong. And I am inclined to agree. When you dig into the subject at all, many of the "facts" upon which the whole global warming alarmist rhetoric is built upon melt away pretty quickly. There's no real substance - just a lot of people shouting loudly.


RE: I don't get it...
By BMFPitt on 6/19/2007 7:41:39 AM , Rating: 3
I find his writing style to be far too similar to Intelligent Design promoters. If he spent less time with the whole, "The environmentalists who just want us all to go back to the stone age are making it all up" angle, he might be more credible.


RE: I don't get it...
By TheGreek on 6/20/2007 1:10:44 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
He has pretty clearly put forward his view that the scientific evidence supporting significant human-induced global warming is questionable at best, and more likely just plain wrong

Well the main problem has always been the same for both sets of extremists. They are both convinced (the eco-fundamentalists and MAsher and his "believers") that they have all the science they need to come to a total conclusion. What MAsher always keeps in denial is that his methods or persuasion using "science" are just as limited to only the facts that he feels like promoting as the eco-freaks. The exact same tactics in reverse. Any scientific, intelligent, and thinking person would find such methods questionable at best. But no, like Rush Limbaugh he blows off anyone and everyone that dares question his conclusion and even goes so far as to make fun of them. As soon as some weakpoint can be found in opposing argument he punches a hole in it and claims victory. Note how many times he says "my point trumps your point", like one-upmanship is all that there is around here.

And it is.

quote:
There's no real substance - just a lot of people shouting loudly.

That's includes MAsher and his kind. His science is no more than the tip of the iceberg, just like all the people he makes fun of. Those that live in glass houses......


RE: I don't get it...
By TomZ on 6/20/2007 2:05:07 PM , Rating: 1
I think you're trying to turn this discussion into a "debate about the debate." I think that is just a cop out - a way of avoid talking about topics with substance.

Anyway, I think Asher's theme if there is one is that all the rheroric and alarmism surrounding the global warming scare is backed by science that is very iffy at best. I don't see anything anti-eco in his attitudes - I believe he is simply against the public being duped as they have in this instance and trying to counteract the misinformation with actual information.

If you have information that contradicts what has been discussed, please bring it forward. That would be much more interesting to discuss than a "debate about the debate." For example, do you have evidence that the NOAA temperature stations are actually accurate and well-maintained?

Finally, I would highly encourage you to download and watch that video that someone linked below. It's pretty eye-opening.


RE: I don't get it...
By TheGreek on 6/20/2007 2:18:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Anyway, I think Asher's theme if there is one is that all the rheroric and alarmism surrounding the global warming scare is backed by science that is very iffy at best.

I'm just noting similarities in style and content.

quote:
If you have information that contradicts what has been discussed, please bring it forward.

Read his past posts for that, just loaded with objectivity.