and the automotive industry aren't happy about the hefty increases in fuel
economy ratings that the Obama administration wants. The issue with automakers
isn't that they don't want to increase fuel efficiency in their vehicles, but
that they fear the costs
of making the vehicles more efficient will cut into sales.
The automotive industry still points to a report from the Center for Automotive
Research that found raising fuel efficiency to 60.1 mpg across the fleet would
increase the price of a vehicle by 22% and cut sales 25% while eliminating
220,000 jobs from the automotive sector. However, the NHTSA has said that it is
researching the impact of increasing fuel economy on vehicle prices on its own.
Right now, the agency says that its investigation is focusing
on the impact of raising economy 2% to 7% annually. The
"tentative conclusion" is that 7% is the highest annual increase that
is technically feasible for automakers. That increase would put the fleet wide
increase in fuel economy in the 47 mpg to 62 mpg range by 2025. Those numbers
are similar to what has been offered in previous reports.
The NHTSA notes that before it makes the changes into law, it is performing a
study to look at multiple factors including the costs that would be placed on
the automakers and the consumer, as well as safety factors. One route to better
fuel economy will undoubtedly be for automakers to produce lighter vehicles,
but lighter vehicle designs can’t compromise on passenger safety. Finding that
delicate balance between powertrain efficiency, lightweight materials for vehicle
construction, and cost will be weighing heavily on automakers in the coming
The Detroit News reports that the
cost of meeting the 47 to 62 mpg efficiency number would cost $770 to $3,500
per vehicle. On the high side of that range, about 14% of the vehicles
would need to be full electrics according to the government. The estimates are
that the driver would save enough fuel within four years to pay the higher cost
of meeting the more stringent 7% fuel economy standard.
quote: ... due to the additional risks that were found with people intentionally stabbing themselves in their necks trying to kill themselves due to their pathetic, meaningless existence.
quote: You won't have control of your car by then. Everything will be computer controlled as humans will be deemed too big of a "liability."
quote: will be scheduled for demolition so the intergalactic freeway can pass through.
quote: That, along with no longer being able to use knives to cut your food--
quote: I think a handful would rebel and start eating with an iFork and an iKnife, which would hold musics, videos, and billions of totally useless apps.
quote: That 1/3 of the farmland that goes unused is the really lousy 1/3 that doesn't produce good crops, not "rich farmland" isn't viable unless commodities go a lot higher. This set aside land is basically emergency reserve for if we really need to get the extra crop from unproductive land. Think of it as "emergency war reserve" land.
quote: It isn't today except for all the subsides that ADM and ConAgra have bribed out of congress
quote: The only reason that the general public (aka idiots) approve of E85 is they are uneducated sheeple and have been lied to about how great it is.
quote: I think Detroit burned the consumer on diesel by selling gas engines refitted (badly) to burn diesel. These had horrible reliability as did most things out of Detroit.
quote: In CO a lot of the gas stations also have diesel pumps.
quote: A July report for the National Academy of Sciences found that ethanol made from corn grain today yields 25 percent more energy than the fossil energy invested in its production - better than gasoline.
quote: and to pay gas station owners to add diesel pumps to their system.
quote: As someone else mentioned, the land sitting fallow isn't "good rich farmland but scrub land.
quote: Now what were the advantages of ethanol again?
quote: 2012 Ford Focus Gets 40-mpg EPA Highway Rating in SFE Trim
quote: New Ford Focus with Super Fuel Economy package EPA-certified at 40 mpg highway
quote: Up to 40 mpg highway
quote: For decades everyone laughed at the absurdity of the EPA highway claims
quote: You're pretty much in moped territory at that point.
quote: 80% of drivers CAN'T MERGE to save their a##'s.
quote: So in conclusion if you drive a Echo, or a Yaris, you have a car that has enough power to handle MOST situations!
quote: You failed to see that the "ability to get onto the freeway" is not an issue.
quote: 40mph city and 60mph highway
quote: These are fuel economy numbers that vehicles that are made today already get.
quote: This final rule reforms the structure of the CAFE program for light trucks and establishes higher CAFE standards for model year (MY) 2008-2011 light trucks. Manufacturers may comply with CAFE standards established under the reformed structure (Reformed CAFE) or with standards established in the traditional way (Unreformed CAFE) during a transition period of MYs 2008-2010. In MY 2011, all manufacturers will be required to comply with a Reformed CAFE standard. Under Reformed CAFE, fuel economy standards are restructured so they are based on a measure of vehicle size called "footprint," the product of multiplying a vehicle's wheelbase by its track width. A target level of fuel economy is established for each increment in footprint. Smaller footprint light trucks have higher targets and larger ones, lower targets.
quote: We recognize that financial difficulties currently exist in the motor vehicle industry and that a substantial number of job reductions have been announced recently by large full-line manufacturers. Accordingly, we have carefully balanced the costs of the rule with the benefits of conservation. Compared to Unreformed CAFE, Reformed CAFE enhances overall fuel savings while providing vehicle manufacturers with the flexibility they need to respond to changing market conditions. Reformed CAFE will also provide a more equitable regulatory framework by creating a level-playing field for manufacturers, regardless of whether they are full-line or limited-line manufacturers. We are particularly encouraged that Reformed CAFE will reduce the adverse safety risks generated by the Unreformed CAFE program. The transition from the Unreformed CAFE to the Reformed CAFE system will begin soon, but ample lead time is provided before Reformed CAFE takes full effect in MY 2011.Show citation box
quote: But in a few years we went from very reasonable standards to extreme politically driven agenda standards.
quote: In the end we'll just have high gas prices AND skyrocketing electricity prices.
quote: I'm adamantly against this type of thing.
quote: Yes and it was and still is a death trap.
quote: The whole reason why hybrids are hot among automakers is not just because they're considered green. It's because they solve a plethora of the above problems (smaller engine, regenerative braking, transmission efficiency) without compromising performance
quote: It was woefully lacking in power (13.5 sec 0-60 time), lacked a lot of amenities in order to keep the weight down, and the naturally unbalanced 3-cylinder design caused excessive noise and vibration.
quote: It seems you have a hard time understanding your own presented definitions.
quote: I'm doing the White House thing. I get to use whatever tactics my opponent uses, right or wrong.
quote: Deer can kill people directly, but auto accidents caused by deer kill 130 people per year.
quote: the pure stupidity of buying a vehicle based on how it performs hitting a deer
quote: Just because something is anecdotal doesn't mean the situation is not huge, mainstream, or common.
quote: You are correct, but it still makes it anecdotal.
quote: you are either forcefully ignoring the basic rules of logic to drag this out
quote: just cause someone with a Geo hit a deer and it didn't perform well, doesn't mean it will always produce this result
quote: "deer performance" is not a standard crash test.
quote: That was pointless.
quote: Oh the irony.
quote: I feel like I'm talking to a lawyer. Yes it's true, are you willing to prove it by driving one?
quote: Arrogant, narrow minded, and a misuse of logic.
quote: You are logically fallacious,
quote: And finally, it doesn't really matter the vehicle you are in if the deer comes flying through the windshield, now does it?
quote: Please cite the frequency this occurs. Otherwise such situations are anecdotal.
quote: You really have no clue do you? If you are in a small car the deer will indeed fly thru the windshield, if I hit one in my van the deer will fly thru the woods.
quote: NHTSA, EPA Wants 2-7% Higher Fuel Economy Annually
quote: NHTSA, EPA Wants 2-7% Higher Fuel Economy Annually
quote: ...indeed, making such a statement does nothing but to highlight the fact that the statement maker hasn't got the slightest clue what they're talking about.
quote: ...doesn't take long and you're at more than 100% of where you started.
quote: we want to bring unrealistic expectations back into context