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NASA and JAXA are working together to get the U.S. space agency some spacecraft so it can send supplies into space

A Japanese newspaper published an article stating NASA and JAXA are in negotiations to purchase Japan's H-2 Transfer Vehicle (HTV) in anticipation of the looming space shuttle retirement in 2010.  But the news startled space observers and I admit I was a bit baffled about the possibility of the U.S. making such a hefty investment in Japanese spacecraft.

The JAXA HTV can carry up to six tons of supplies during a single trip, with food, water, mechanical, and computer hardware its most likely cargo on its trips.  It is 10 meters long with a 4.4-meter diameter and will be launched into space using a JAXA H-2B launch vehicle.  The cargo ship will roll out this fall with JAXA planning to introduce at least one craft per year.

Each HTV costs $131 million for JAXA to construct, and utilizes construction help from Mitsubishi Electric and Mitsubishi Heavy.  Considering the high price tag of the HTV, people left and right started popping up wondering if NASA truly was going to be willing to purchase several of these multi-million transport ships that JAXA plans to roll out slowly.

Why the concern over transport ships to get supplies to the ISS?

The U.S. space agency traditionally used the space shuttle to help send supplies and astronauts to the ISS, but with the shuttle retiring and an anticipated five-year gap until the Orion space capsule is available, NASA still has an obligation to help supplies reach the ISS.  Along with purchasing an unspecified number of HTV vehicles from Japan, NASA will pay the Russian space agency for its services of ferrying supplies to space.

The ISS is currently stocked by the U.S. spacecraft, Russian and European spacecraft, with JAXA announcing plans several years ago to create its own cargo spacecraft to help offer aid in shipping supplies to space.

But NASA today issued a press release stating it hasn't been in negotiations to purchase the HTV from JAXA, instead stating it is "committed to domestic commercial cargo resupply to the space station and does not plan to procure cargo delivery services from Japan."  NASA is working with several private contractors to build a new spacecraft to get food, water and other supplies to the International Space Station, but it is unknown if the project can be concluded before 2010.

The rest of the NASA press release states the following:

As part of our original agreements as compensation for common system operating costs NASA has limited cargo capability on the Japanese and European cargo vehicles. NASA has recently issued a request for proposal for the cargo needs of International Space Station beyond those supplied by our current international agreements. NASA has chosen to depend on commercial resupply of cargo delivery to the station.

E-mails to JAXA and NASA were not answered in time for publication of this article.



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If it makes sense...
By lifeblood on 7/23/2008 8:46:05 AM , Rating: 2
I doubt we will buy a foreign launch system for two reasons:
1. We are trying to build our own cargo rocket and money spent on a foreign ship could be spent building our own.
2. National pride would not permit it.
I don't think reason two is very good but one is quite valid, especially given the cost of those things.




RE: If it makes sense...
By pmonti80 on 7/23/2008 9:00:30 AM , Rating: 5
"National pride" is the main reason for lots of stupid things done by National Governments either here in Europe, there in the USA or anywhere else.
It's very easy to solve you just have to use common sense. If a japanese rocket is the best buy it, if not don't buy it. If an european plane is the best for the military buy it, if not the don't buy it. If google works great and there is competition no need to fund with public funds an european competitor. Galileo anyone? (european GPS).
Definitely too much money spent on stupid things because of National Pride.


RE: If it makes sense...
By mdogs444 on 7/23/2008 9:23:32 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
It's very easy to solve you just have to use common sense. If a japanese rocket is the best buy it, if not don't buy it. If an european plane is the best for the military buy it, if not the don't buy it.

Err no. Its much better to spend the money on R&D to meet or exceed those performance standards and keep the money inside your own economy. Not to mention, keeping your improved designs secret. I, for one, would rather spend twice as much on the project if it meant that the money would stay within the country's own economy than being sent overseas.

Not to mention that if part of the contract is that the product has to be designed and developed in the country itself, you're standing up for domestic workers.


RE: If it makes sense...
By pmonti80 on 7/23/2008 10:00:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I, for one, would rather spend twice as much on the project if it meant that the money would stay within the country's own economy than being sent overseas. Not to mention that if part of the contract is that the product has to be designed and developed in the country itself, you're standing up for domestic workers.


So much for free market and such. That's only for the others isn't it?


RE: If it makes sense...
By mdogs444 on 7/23/2008 10:05:43 AM , Rating: 2
Free market capitalism and free trade are two different things.

Not to mention, that when the government spends tax payer dollars, it should be with the notion that it goes to benefit the tax payer directly. That would be the physical product, as well as the development of that product.

There is nothing against free market capitalism by wanting your government to spend its funds in the domestic economy.


RE: If it makes sense...
By fxyefx on 7/24/2008 8:49:45 AM , Rating: 3
That's a rather simplistic way of thinking about it.
The US would save money buying this product without having to conduct all of the R&D itself. The money saved could be used for R&D on some other application, which would potentially be bought by Japan from the US later on. In this way, both Japan and the US would get almost twice the bang for their buck. Why reinvent the wheel?


RE: If it makes sense...
By pmonti80 on 7/24/2008 2:27:20 PM , Rating: 2
What an unusually interesting opinion. And all thanks to common sense.
Thanks fxyefx for your comments.
(No sarcasm is intendend)


RE: If it makes sense...
By GaryJohnson on 7/26/2008 5:08:07 AM , Rating: 2
Our national equity is 'the economy' and if we can exchange something of value (in this case capital) for something that is of perceived greater value to us, then our national equity increases and 'the economy' improves.


Not too bad...
By cyclosarin on 7/23/2008 9:36:34 AM , Rating: 2
131 million doesn't seem too bad considering the Shuttle costs 450 million for each launch.




RE: Not too bad...
By SandmanWN on 7/23/2008 10:03:48 AM , Rating: 2
You really didn't think that statement through did you?

You're comparing building costs to launching costs. The 131 million is just for the vehicle it will still have launch costs associated with it.

The more appropriate analysis would be 131 million for the H-2 vs the maintenance costs to keep the shuttle flying.


RE: Not too bad...
By FITCamaro on 7/23/2008 4:34:05 PM , Rating: 2
I can buy a piece of crap car for $1000. I'll spend more than that in a year fueling and maintaining it.


RE: Not too bad...
By Fnoob on 7/24/2008 8:45:54 AM , Rating: 2
A wee bit more if you plan to fling it into space!


RE: Not too bad...
By Fnoob on 7/24/2008 8:51:14 AM , Rating: 2
Might be onto something there. All we need are some airtight seals, an extra coat or two of UV clearcoat, and a massive trebuchet! Just carry a few dozen cans of 'dust-off' to use for your de-orbit burn ;)


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