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NASA has its sights set on Mars

Is it possible to send man to Mars?  During the NASA Lunar Exploration and Analysis Group meeting, NASA space officials unveiled a small number of details of future plans for a manned mission to Mars.  

NASA hopes to be able to deploy a "minimal" crew to the Red Planet on a spacecraft that weights 880,000lbs.  The 30-month round trip would ideally take place as early as February 2031, though funding a project could range anywhere from $20 billion up to a massive $450 billion.

Not surprisingly, details regarding manned Moon missions could change at any time - and likely will.  The six-month one-way trip would use a "closed-loop" system with the ability to recycle and reuse air and water aboard the craft.  The crew would also eat plants that are growing on the spaceship.

NASA plans to send at least one type of vehicle and surface habitat before the astronauts arrive on the Red Planet.  Once the astronauts arrive, nuclear energy would help them stay up to 16 months on the Martian surface before a return trip back to Earth.

Even though NASA and other nations have big plans for Mars, a number of major hurdles must be dealt with before a manned mission can be launched.  Along with creating proper technology to ensure astronauts are protected from dangerous levels of cosmic radiation, a new generation of medical space equipment will need to be created in case a medical emergency takes place.  

As space nations continue promising research geared towards the moon, many space observers believe the moon is just a stepping stone for future missions to the Red Planet.  NASA will likely use manned moon missions as a testing ground for technologies that can be used later on Mars.  NASA already is conducting a number of research projects on Mars including the impressive Mars Rovers.


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Mars is a waste
By masher2 (blog) on 11/30/2007 10:33:19 AM , Rating: 5
At the present time, creating a full-scale, permanent moon base should be our top priority. The moon is the key to commercial exploitation of space. Mars is only valuable from a research perspective, whereas the moon offers us that, plus massive quantities of new resources (some of which aren't even found on Earth), plus 24-hour-a-day solar power, unfiltered by atmosphere, limitless quantities of free vacuum (invaluable for many industrial processes), and a gravitational field tailor-made for building large structures and moving massive objects. The moon is close enough to make shipping to Earth trivial (a rail gun on the lunar surface can launch to Earth for pennies a pound). Lightspeed delay from the moon is low enough that remote robotic control in realtime is feasible, whereas 8-40 minute roundtrip delay from Mars makes even the simplest remote control tasks take days.

Additionally, once we have minimal manufacturing capability on the moon, the cost of a mission to Mars drops dramatically, even if we do nothing but manufacture the fuel for the mission there.

A moon base is the first step towards exploitation and colonization of the entire solar system. A trip to Mars is just...a trip to Mars.




RE: Mars is a waste
By dickeywang on 11/30/07, Rating: 0
RE: Mars is a waste
By Ringold on 11/30/2007 2:21:19 PM , Rating: 2
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The Bush ministration has done so much damages on our fundamental science research and it will take decades for us to recover from that.


I doubt you can back that up with substantial fact, but if you can I'd like to see it. Stem cells are just a single issue, with legitimate ethical questions. Latest findings are that skin cells can be even more useful anyway.

Not to mention, on the other side of the ledger, Obama has said he would delay Constellation for 5 years. What that means in politician speak is that after 5 years of delay, he would raise the point that NASA's abilities and expertise would have so severely atrophied that Constellation should therefore be scrapped, with likely a total abandonment of manned space programs. This tactic is what Canadian government use to covertly destroy their military, and have been since Trudeau. Obama has just been taking notes, thats all.

Neither party is worthy of particular praise nor scorn when it comes to NASA; if anything, however, Bush did at least give us the VSE in wake of Columbia. If Congress has given NASA the funding it promised or not is another issue.


RE: Mars is a waste
By BSMonitor on 11/30/2007 2:56:48 PM , Rating: 1
I hate Republicans with their blind support for Bush.

They take any criticism about him and spin it to make it seem like a positive.


RE: Mars is a waste
By Ringold on 11/30/2007 3:07:59 PM , Rating: 3
What'd I say that was factually incorrect?

I can also criticize Bush for many things, not least of which has been a total failure to reign in massive federal spending for example. I just pointed out that the VSE is one of the few good things to come out of his administration and that it was a bipartisan failure to provide NASA with funding and that going forward the other party has elements within it seeking the clear elimination of Orion, the only thing we've got going presently. If anything, that's a much more balanced view then the post I was responding to; I blamed everybody.

And then you reply pointing out your hate for Republicans, and then advance no logical argument of your own. Good job, thanks for reinforcing Republican stereotypes towards Democrats.


RE: Mars is a waste
By mdogs444 on 11/30/2007 3:11:58 PM , Rating: 3
Why not take advantage of what he said and create a factual reply for it?

Oh wait, let me guess....its the typical liberal hate of bush & republicans argument, all which come with no merit.

Ann Coulter said it best: "not only do you argue like a liberal, but you also throw like a girl".


RE: Mars is a waste
By BSMonitor on 11/30/07, Rating: 0
RE: Mars is a waste
By Ringold on 11/30/2007 3:40:09 PM , Rating: 2
It was an example of the other side endorsing a measure (placing Constellation on the shelf for 5 years, tantamount to cancellation by following the Canadian model of defense spending) that would hurt the advancement of science and technology, which is what he accused Bush of doing as if Bush were the only one that would ever do that.

Do I have to connect the dots with string for you?


RE: Mars is a waste
By BSMonitor on 11/30/2007 3:42:24 PM , Rating: 1
But we aren't talking about sides. Or the "other" side at all. We have 1 President, and the guy was commenting on how HE has performed while in office. The other side has NOTHING to do with the conversation.


RE: Mars is a waste
By Ringold on 11/30/2007 3:44:14 PM , Rating: 2
Okay then. You still have failed to point out how anything I said about Bush was factually false. Good job, you managed to obfuscate and avoid the real argument for a couple posts.


RE: Mars is a waste
By BSMonitor on 11/30/2007 4:10:25 PM , Rating: 2
I guess my point was simply that most arguments, like yours, turn a criticism of this President into an attack on the Democrats or a praise of some other unrelated achievement.

Typical criticism:

Bush has failed horribly in Iraq.

Typical response:

There have been no terrorist attacks in the U.S. since then.

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The issue is the failure in Iraq! We(AMERICANS, NOT DEMOCRATS) want him accountable for that FAILURE.

It would be like me, showing up to work 30 minutes late every day and maybe missing certain meetings along the way. My supervisor confronts me and my response is: "well, I get back early from lunch every day and get 15 minutes extra work in at that time."

You think I'd still be working for that supervisor?


RE: Mars is a waste
By Spuke on 11/30/2007 5:44:27 PM , Rating: 2
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The issue is the failure in Iraq! We(AMERICANS, NOT DEMOCRATS) want him accountable for that FAILURE.
Why should only he be accountable for Iraq when most the politicians calling for his head gave him the power to go to war? They are ALL accountable and this WE wants everyone's head!!!!

I have to admit, the politicians have done an excellent job of convincing the sheeple that's it all Bush's fault. Bravo!!!


RE: Mars is a waste
By mdogs444 on 11/30/2007 3:41:19 PM , Rating: 2
Well seeing as how Obama is running for President, he is being asked for his stance on current governmental policies.

So I guess I would ask you - why is it that you think a presidential candidate doesn't have anything to say about, or do, with a current presidential policy?

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You may very well have...but not im sure you would have been able to make her out clearly in the clouds of imaginationland with all the global warming! Btw, Im not sure if it was Gandolf, or gay Dumbledore....


RE: Mars is a waste
By FITCamaro on 11/30/2007 4:32:03 PM , Rating: 1
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Ann Coulter is a fruit cake.


Of all your rants, raves, completely untrue statements, this is the only one where I agree with you. She is a bit of a nut. I consider myself conservative, but I almost think even Karl Rove sometimes thinks "Damn that B*tch is CRAZY!".

That said, the Daily Show is a comedy show (damn funny at that), you shouldn't be taking it seriously.


RE: Mars is a waste
By Spuke on 11/30/2007 5:47:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That said, the Daily Show is a comedy show (damn funny at that), you shouldn't be taking it seriously.
The Daily Show is hilarious, one of my favorites.


RE: Mars is a waste
By DEVGRU on 11/30/2007 3:46:30 PM , Rating: 2
I hate Liberals with their blind hatred for Bush.

Is he the best President America has ever had? Hell no. Is he the worst President ever? Hell no.

If you want to blame anyone about anything, look at yourself first. Did you vote? Did you encourage others to vote?

If you didnt, sit down and STFU. If you did, guess what? The majority of America (obviously not soley those branding themselves 'Republican') thought Bush would be better than Kerry. Life sucks, get over it, and rock the vote in the next election.


RE: Mars is a waste
By BSMonitor on 11/30/2007 3:57:38 PM , Rating: 2
Blind? Want me to list all the things? There aren't enough terabytes in the world for that.

I am not a liberal, I am a rationalist.

And YES, my state did not vote for that dousche bag either time! I do not have $26.8 million dollars to give to the anti-Idiot campaign, so I am sorry if I have to go to work every day.

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Explain to me how Clinton gets a BJ and lies about and gets impeached.

GW lies about WMD, terrorist connections, etc. etc. etc. about Iraq and is still in office? Even Nixon left office when he got caught. The spinsters really are due their credit.

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But its ok, maybe Jesus will save us from the EVIL muslims....

Blind hatred for Bush!!! That's a good one. You'd have to be blind and deaf not to!


RE: Mars is a waste
By Ringold on 11/30/2007 4:10:41 PM , Rating: 2
He didn't get impeached because he "gets a BJ and lies about" it, he got impeached because it was clear beyond all reasonable doubt he committed perjury under oath and obstruction of justice . That's not just a "lie".

If the evidence were so readily available for Bush, Pelosi would've gone for broke from the very start. I might've missed the memo about Pelosi being a secret agent of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, though.

Thanks for continuing to reinforce the aforementioned stereotypes about your type by avoiding answering my post. Go ahead and do it now, but you've showed more interest in trolling rather than the issue of NASA that was at hand, so I won't respond, you can get the last word.