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During its centennial celebration, the NAACP has launched a new program, the "Rapid Response System," which enables people to file reports of alleged police misconduct through the use of their cell phones.

This year, the NAACP, established in New York City in 1909, celebrates its centennial.  As celebrations are under way, new crime-fighting programs are being developed and implemented by the association. One of these programs, the “Rapid Response System,” allows for people to use their cell phones in order to report any incidents of alleged police misconduct. The new system was officially unveiled Monday, as part of the annual convention for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in New York City.  

Instant texts, e-mails and video reports each exist as acceptable mediums to file a report of alleged police misconduct, which takes three steps to complete. A person must first take photos or record video on their camera phone of the incident. Next, the person must send the photos or video to the NAACP, which can be done through a Web browser, or by uploading the file(s) through a computer. Finally, a short form will need to be filled out regarding the incident. 

According to Benjamin Jealous, the NAACP’s president and CEO, information gathered from various reports will be used differently; while the NAACP may choose to use certain footage/information instantly, other reports may be entered into a comprehensive database for trending and use in more long-term illustrations.

As far as the extensive number of people who have access to the new program, Jealous explained: "Technology has basically put a video camera in the pocket of every child in this country over the age of 12 and most grown-ups, as well."

The NAACP’s vice president of advocacy and research, Monique Morris, offered another advantage of the new system. "What this database will provide is a more accurate account in real time of what's happening in our communities," said Morris.

In an NAACP press release, the Rapid Response System was listed as part of a wider Criminal Justice strategy, known as “Smart and Safe,” to be launched this year.

"We know that most of police officers around the nation are excellent public servants,” Jealous explained in the NAACP release. “But the few who violate people's rights are often not held accountable. We hope to improve the relationship between our community and law enforcement officers -- which is the best way to create the trust needed for police to effectively solve crimes.”



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Equality but division
By boobot on 7/14/2009 7:30:37 AM , Rating: 2
I’m appalled but not surprised. Minority groups continue to push themselves away from “everyone is the same(color) and we are all equal” by creating thousands of minority based groups setting up ludicrous programs such as this one that only further divide them. The police are there to provide safety and help to the community and its citizens. What does this teach a child about police?




RE: Equality but division
By HostileEffect on 7/14/09, Rating: -1
RE: Equality but division
By Xenokyn on 7/14/09, Rating: -1
RE: Equality but division
By FITCamaro on 7/14/2009 10:03:29 AM , Rating: 2
Your intelligence faded after your first sentence.

They don't have the right to commit assault. They do have the right though to subdue someone who's resisting arrest. If someone resists arrest they can't beat the crap out out of them but they can do what's required to get the guy in cuffs and into the back of the patrol car.

They can only enter a residence with a warrant or if there is valid suspicion or evidence that someone is hurt, in trouble, or a crime is being committed.

When have you ever heard of a cop committing an act of vandalism?

And what privacy rights do they illegally violate? If they want to search you they either ask you permission or can do so if there's reason to believe you have something illegal on you. Same goes for your car. Other than that, what is there?

And how do they violate your Fifth Amendment right? They read you your rights when you're arrested and you don't have to say or do anything until you have a lawyer. You sacrifice your liberty though when you break the law. As far as your property, unless you have something illegal that they can confiscate as evidence (or your legal property is evidence in a crime but that is returned afterwards), please tell me how they take your property.

As far as the article, it is disgusting. As others have said, minority groups continue to tell us there are differences in us and drive a wedge between those of different race. These groups do far more to encourage racism than any single ignorant person ever can.


RE: Equality but division
By room200 on 7/14/2009 10:24:38 AM , Rating: 5
When have you ever heard of a cop committing an act of vandalism?

When I was stopped by a Chicago police officer and he snatched all of my items out of my trunk and threw them on the ground. He then proceeded to remove the back seats from my NEW CAR and left them on the street. All of this while I'm standing there being humiliated and helpless. He then drove off and left me and all of my stuff on the ground. Luckily, as the assistant principal of a school, I knew the commander very well. He was pretty shocked as I was talking to his commander as he walked into the room. What was I guilty of? Nothing. Then one of the first things he asked me when he started screaming at me to "get my ass out of the car", was do I work and where did I get the car. Some of you may have blind faith in police officers and the criminal justice system in general (and I've tried), but my experiences with them prevent me from doing the same.


RE: Equality but division
By callmeroy on 7/14/2009 10:48:12 AM , Rating: 5
There's a little rule on a popular game forum I post to regular when people make outrageous or otherwise unlikely claims....folks will go "screenshot or it didn't happen".

A game is hardly serious...but in a very serious issue as police abuse issues , unless there is physical evidence or at least video --- the incident can't be taken as legitimate, simply because too much is at stake.

Most of cases reported as "abuse" are citizens not understanding either their rights or the rights of what law enforcement are entitled to.

Police can search your vehicle and remove items from it -- so long as they have probable cause.

There's no law about being an asshole either -- its just when cops do it, it fires people up more because of the authority they have, and lets be honest because they are one of few people legally allowed to walk around with a loaded weapon in plain view of everyone and its socially accepted.

Furthermore, cops are permitted by law, and furthermore trained to do so, exert the amount of force needed to secure the safety of any bystanders and the officer him/herself. Equal force is to be used.

This is where the line blurrs between abuse of power and law. Police are to use good judgment probably more than your average job requires. If a cop bruises a criminal, doesn't mean the criminal was abused. If a cop hits a criminal, it doesn't mean it was abuse.

But, because of the times we live in everyone views abuse as anything above the cop being very polite when it comes to words or anything beyond a soft touch when it comes to actions.

Does this mean I woulnd't have been pissed if what happend to you happened to me -- hell no, i'd be fuming.

Why? Because I'm a human being and as such can get emotional.


RE: Equality but division
By FITCamaro on 7/14/09, Rating: 0
RE: Equality but division
By room200 on 7/14/2009 1:35:04 PM , Rating: 3
I have very little faith in our justice system. Is it because the laws are flawed? No. It is because of liberal judges and scum bag attorneys who seek to make a profit off the suffering of others or by keeping criminals out of jail.

Please stop throwing the word "liberal" around. It doesn't really mean anything. And if you're going to make the point that not all police officers are the same (with which I agree), stop throwing all lawyers into the same category. You can't have it both ways.

As far as your story. Perhaps it happened. There will always be bad cops though. Should anyone though view all cops with disgust for the actions of the few? No. I treat any cop who I encounter with respect. They put their ass on the line every day. Their spouses and families don't know if they're coming home every night. If for nothing else, for that they deserve respect. So I will always give a police officer the benefit of the doubt when police abuse cases come up.

"Perhaps" it happened? This is exactly the same statement many people give even after they've watched abuse on video. It's almost they have to convince themselves that police officers couldn't POSSIBLY have done something wrong. It's also the same thing said by someone who has never been the victim of police abuse, and exactly the statement that comes from someone without the knowledge and somes the concern of what other people go through on a daily basis.

For all we know you were speeding down the interstate, weaving in and out of cars. And as the other guy said, cops have the right to search vehicles. Yes they should do it with respect if the person has done nothing wrong. But also as he said, there's no law about being a jerk. They're out there. And the vast majority of them aren't cops.

Not actually. I was on a side street about to hit the expressway, and did not receive a ticket for anything. Besides, this particular street is single lane with so many potholes, anyone would be a fool to drive HALF the speed limit. It's about more than being a jerk, it's about a person treating another human being as less than. It's about trying to make that other person feel humiliated. I guess if you've never felt it, there aren't any words I can use to describe to you the feeling.


RE: Equality but division
By FITCamaro on 7/14/2009 2:24:25 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I guess if you've never felt it, there aren't any words I can use to describe to you the feeling.


You really don't wanna go there.


RE: Equality but division
By Maxima2k2se on 7/14/2009 3:53:56 PM , Rating: 4
Our current president did the same to me the other day. I was minding my own business walking up to the ATM like I always do on Monday mornings when I heard this voice of change. I turned and looked saw our Messiah. He took my wallet from me and forced me to give him my PIN. Then he took the max amount that he could from my account and started passing out $20 bills to people walking by the whole time screaming share the wealth.

I can make up stories to :) Or is this reality? Honestly I cant tell anymore but I call BS on yours.


RE: Equality but division
By room200 on 7/14/2009 6:01:30 PM , Rating: 2
It's easier for you to live in denial, than to face what other people have to live every day. that way, you don't have to think.


RE: Equality but division
By Parhel on 7/14/2009 6:40:25 PM , Rating: 2
Where do you live where you would doubt a story like that??? At least in Illinois, getting harassed by the police is commonplace. I've had nearly the exact same thing happen to me several times. Basically, you get pulled over for a either something minor, or just for being young and driving a beater. The cops then proceed to search your car, tearing it apart and tossing your stuff on the side of the road. It hasn't to me since I turned 25 or so, but before that I'd bet it happened three or four times.


RE: Equality but division
By mdogs444 on 7/14/2009 8:15:57 AM , Rating: 3
Not sure what it teaches them about the police - except that they are not there to do the community any good.

However, even more important is that the NAACP preaches to its youngsters that they deserve more rights, that they are all victims, and teaches them how to play the "race card" to try and get what they want.


RE: Equality but division
By FITCamaro on 7/14/09, Rating: 0
RE: Equality but division
By ImEmmittSmith on 7/14/2009 10:15:25 AM , Rating: 2
I totally agree! Why is it that certain races think that the police are looking to punish them. Doesn't that teach them not to respect police and thus cause them to resist! Maybe that is why police would think a certain race is out to no good, because they act suspicious because that is what specific organizations preach. What a catch-22! Why not teach them to RESPECT the authorities and maybe we can change the behavior of both sides. I am so tired of people so worried about the color of their skin. We are all the same, but unfortunately, it is our leaders of color that keep the color of our skin a reason to distrust and play the RACE card. Wish people would grow up and take responsibility for their actions! If there are complex issues within a specific minority or majority, the leaders should get out and campaign to change that generation or the next. I have so many friends of all colors, but all I see is that they are my friends!!

\rant over


RE: Equality but division
By FITCamaro on 7/14/2009 11:08:09 AM , Rating: 1
Exactly. The sooner these groups teach people to respect authority instead of how they're a victim and to fear the police, the sooner things will get better. Unfortunately, it won't be happening any time soon.


RE: Equality but division
By room200 on 7/14/09, Rating: 0
RE: Equality but division
By mdogs444 on 7/14/2009 7:32:49 PM , Rating: 2
He said "These groups", not "these people". Don't try to race bait him.


RE: Equality but division
By room200 on 7/14/09, Rating: 0
RE: Equality but division
By room200 on 7/14/09, Rating: 0
RE: Equality but division
By RandallMoore on 7/14/2009 10:43:28 AM , Rating: 2
Oh... Here goes the article!

I guess you are the type that doesn't seem to understand how an organization like the NAACP is inherently racist. Right?


RE: Equality but division
By mdogs444 on 7/14/2009 10:56:05 AM , Rating: 3
Well, one recent incident comes to mind...

The NAACP came to Michael Vick's defense to claim he was the victim of society, being banned because he's black, and deserves to be reinstated immediately with charges dropped.

If that doesn't backup my claims of being the victim, using the race card, and claiming him to be a black target....then I don't know what does.


RE: Equality but division
By FITCamaro on 7/14/2009 11:03:49 AM , Rating: 3
It was Sharpton or Jackson recently who at Michael Jackson's funeral told one of his family members that he didn't deserve all the legal trouble he had for sleeping with young boys. Basically came off as saying he only was tried because he was black. Both of those guys are deplorable and major NAACP figures.

I love it in today's america
White guy beats up a white guy - assault
Black guy beats up a black guy - assault
Black guy beats up a white guy - assault
White guy beats up a black guy - hate crime + harsher punishment


RE: Equality but division
By 67STANG on 7/14/2009 12:44:51 PM , Rating: 2
Michael Jackson was white when he was in legal trouble (for a predominately white crime, FTW!).

Anyhow, completely agree about Sharpton and Jackson (can't forget Farrakhan too). These guys are basically relics that are to the black culture what David Duke is to the white culture. Their spoken word is audible vomit and constant preaching of double standards is sickening. I was kind of hoping when we elected a black president, these guys would go away... guess not.

As for the NAACP, an exclusive group that looks to advance (1) race over others... what can we relate that to?


RE: Equality but division
By ImEmmittSmith on 7/14/2009 3:49:29 PM , Rating: 2
The sooner these publicity hound individuals fade away the sooner people of all colors will begin to heal. Is there still true racism? Sure, but as the generations pass, they will soon learn to embrace each other without a color distinction. When I was a teenager(70's), it was looked down upon to date or marry someone other than your skin color. But, in the past 30 years, look how society has changed. It will continue to change if leaders like Bill Cosby continue to teach/preach to take responsibility. Having sucessful black Americans like Obama, Condoleezza Rice, and Colin Powell have helped to change the old sterotypes. Soon, we will just learn to look up to just AMERICANs here in America, not just because of their skin color or ethnicity.
Sometimes we forget how young our country is and for such a young country, we have socially evloved so rapidly in such a short period of time. This is not the final frontier!


RE: Equality but division
By room200 on 7/14/2009 6:11:05 PM , Rating: 2
That's an absolute outright lie. The president of the Atlanta NAACP's exact quote was "We feel that whatever the courts demand as a punishment for what he has done, once he has paid his debt to society, then he should be treated like any other person in the NFL." He did NOT call for him not to be charged. If you're going to argue a point, then at least, don't lie about it.

Furthermore, he made the point that Vick was treated more harshly than if he'd actually killed someone. Players from all the sports of every race have done far worse things to other HUMAN BEINGS that got less punishment than Vick. Make no mistake about it, Vick is a criminal, and I don't even like him, but he would have gotten less punishment from the NFL if he'd killed someone while driving drunk.


RE: Equality but division
By Ranari on 7/14/09, Rating: 0
RE: Equality but division
By theapparition on 7/14/2009 9:35:03 AM , Rating: 5
Can I get my 30seconds back?

That was the most mind-numbing go-nowhere story ever. At least make up something like the cop pulled you out and cavity searched you.

Story fail.


RE: Equality but division
By RandallMoore on 7/14/2009 10:40:18 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I'm white too. And yesterday I went to the grocery store to buy food.

Doesn't seem very relevant does it? lol


RE: Equality but division
By mmntech on 7/14/2009 5:07:48 PM , Rating: 2
A vary valid point boobot. It seems society is obsessed with dividing itself further and politicians on the so called "left" are more than happy to accept and embrace it without question as a form of "multiculturalism."

I'm going to play devil's advocate here. I'm always suspicious of minorities who were "doing nothing" accuse the police of brutality. Are there racist cops? Most certainly. Are the bad cops? Yep, definitely. However, I think of it this way. A cop that deliberately hassles an innocent minority is probably going to loose his job, loose any severance pay, loose all respect from his co-workers, have a black mark on his employment records and thus find it difficult to get hired again, and will probably get sued by the victim. Simply put, even if you don't like blacks and you're a cop, deliberately singling them out is now worth it. It's not 1960s Alabama anymore. Most likely the people getting "hassled" were involved in some sort of criminal activity, either past or present. Of course this is why police forces need to hire more minority officers to patrol specific areas so there are no excuses. They can accuse them of selling out but they can't drag them in front of the human rights kangaroo courts.


RE: Equality but division
By Chemical Chris on 7/14/2009 6:23:26 PM , Rating: 2
Heres a funny story about the police 'protecting and serving':
From my friends belcony, we watched 4 guys beat the living crap out of a guy beside a busy 4 lane city street in Ottawa, at around 4pm. After beating on him for 15-20min, they picked him up and threw him onto the road, then walked away, with not a sign of any police whatsoever, and none showing up later either.
About a week later, we were in the dog park across the street, trying to catch my friends dog (a puggle, so small and harmless), as it was barking and being a puppy, generally. Since this was ~midnight, someone complained about the noise, and 4 cruisers and 7 cops showed up within 10minutes, telling us to catch the dog and shut it up. Since no one was sober, the dog was easily able to evade capture. At one point an officer told my friend (the dogs 'mom') that we could either shut it up right now or he was going to shoot it. She then flipped out on him (rightfully so), but we managed to catch the dog and part ways without the cops further abusing their power.
To 'defend' police in general, I will say that some of the other officers on scene weren't dicks, and if it had just been the cop who made the threat Im sure he would have arrested us and made up a fake charge, as his word will be taken above ours.
I dont see this as in issue only for minorities; me and most of my friends are mostly white as can be, and we are affected by it. Dont get caught up in the fact thats its the NAACP, although I think it would have been better if it was sponsored by the ACLU, as that wouldnt bring up the issue of race, as this isnt a race issue.
And what do we teach kids about cops? I was told if I was ever lost/in trouble to go to a cop, as they will make sure Im safe. But also, we are told not to taddle-tale (snitch), which seems to be preparing us for or adult activities with the cops.
I have also been arrested because a pretty blond girl said I pushed her; I didnt, and this was born out in court, but I shouldnt have even been charged in the first place, and only was because Im a guy (With evil long hair, no less), and she was a pretty blond girl. So the discrimination leveled at me cost me $6500 to defend myself.
Remember, "The law is powerless to help help you, not hurt you" - Chief Wiggum
and
"Question Authority" - Tim Leary

ChemC


RE: Equality but division
By ice456789 on 7/14/2009 10:09:43 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Heres a funny story about the police 'protecting and serving': From my friends belcony, we watched 4 guys beat the living crap out of a guy beside a busy 4 lane city street in Ottawa, at around 4pm. After beating on him for 15-20min, they picked him up and threw him onto the road, then walked away, with not a sign of any police whatsoever, and none showing up later either.
Why is that story funny? Did YOU call the police? Did you tell the guys to stop it? Did you try to help? Or did you and your friends just sit there and watch the beating for 20 minutes and have a good laugh? Since you were a witness to the entire 20 minute throttling, I'm sure you filed a report, right? Since it lasted 20 minutes I'm sure you have pictures and probably video evidence. And after the thugs left you helped the man who was beaten off the street and to a hospital right? Would you have done something if those 4 men were beating up your friend's small harmless puggle instead of an outmatched, defenseless human being?

And this is your example of the police not doing THEIR civic duty?


RE: Equality but division
By HrilL on 7/14/2009 6:37:54 PM , Rating: 1
The NAACP is not only for black people now days. That is where they got their start but they are for civil rights issues.

I'm all for this. If it makes our cops act within the law then I'm all for it.

I have respect for Police until they do something to lose that respect. I've learned its better to just let them do what they're going to do and just try to get as much evidence to their actions as you can. Then when you go to court that is where you can fight back.

A college town comes to mind. I won't say which so my location can't be placed in case any of those asshole cops read this. Pretty much its run by the sheriff department and they send all the cops that have made mistakes or are just plan bad at their jobs to this town. They also have the rookies working out there.

Never in my life have I had more problems with the law then when I've been out there. I've been tackled to the ground for having a bottle of juice and when I tried to get their badge numbers to report them they both refused to give me it (completely illegal to refuse to give their badge number)

If you're walking by yourself they'll single you out and stop you so they can harass you.

They'll also walk right into your house or yard like they own the place kick everyone out and then just leave because they can't give you a ticket when they enter your house illegally.

I saw someone jaywalk once and a cop saw it too he pulls over jumps out of his car grabs the dude and slams him to the back of the police car. Cuffs him and sits him on the curb. And of course they always call for backup because well they've got nothing to do. So then two cops harass the guy for about 20 minutes. Then they don't even give him a ticket and just leave.

I've had my Mexican friends taken to jail because they were supposed gang members when we were downtown drinking. They just grabbed my friend by the neck with both hands like they were going to strangle him. Hes never been in a gang and doesn't even dress that way. Plain old racism at its finest.

I could go on and on. From my experience with police they seem to do more harm then they do good but maybe that is just around here.

Really the requirements to be a office of the peace should be a lot more strict. Half our department doesn't pass the psychological test from what I've read. They don't get enough people that do so they've got to hire the ones that don't. The fact that you can become a cop and make around 80k a year without a college education is sickening. Maybe if they actually put their lives on the line but the ones that just give out tickets shouldn't make more than 40k ever. Plus the people that become cops are power hungry and like to control people. Maybe that is here again since they didn't pass the psychological in the first place either.


RE: Equality but division
By overlandpark4me on 7/14/2009 7:23:52 PM , Rating: 2
NAACP is basically a racist organization now. They whine about not being treated equally, but then don't treat anyone outside their circle equally. Wasn't it interesting that the black vote in Cali defeating the gay marriage initiative. Well, not interesting, a laugh out riot. Equal unless someone grosses you out I guess. Talk about MJ in a negative light, you're a racist. Criticize the illegitimate black birth rate, you're a racist. They think they are off limits, while they call the kettle black. A large portion of them are the example and blame of a declining nation "I think I can render a better decision than a black man, who hasn't lived my life, lolololollll

Signed, Whitey



Men on Film
By Machinegear on 7/14/2009 8:39:49 AM , Rating: 2
The NAACP is a race based organization which is wrong, however what they have chosen to do in this instance isn't necessarily a bad thing. No citizen should trust their government and having a handy tool like this reporting application could be a good check on uncontrolled power. Remember, governments are evil, though necessary.

So... I give the NAACP's efforts a double *snap*, and around the world.




RE: Men on Film
By 91TTZ on 7/14/2009 8:58:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
So... I give the NAACP's efforts a double *snap*, and around the world.


Oh no you didn't!


RE: Men on Film
By SpaceRanger on 7/14/2009 9:40:48 AM , Rating: 2
That's Whack!


RE: Men on Film
By SublimeSimplicity on 7/14/2009 9:42:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Remember, governments are evil, though necessary.

And that's at its best!

"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." -Thomas Paine

Do you think Thomas Paine would ever look to his government for "hope"?

The irony of the last 4th... all the dependents celebrating independence day.


RE: Men on Film
By FITCamaro on 7/14/2009 10:08:02 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
The irony of the last 4th... all the dependents celebrating independence day.


Seriously. I actually thought about that this 4th of July. About how we're supposed to be celebrating our independence but the general majority theme of our government at the moment is dependence.


RE: Men on Film
By rcc on 7/14/2009 1:56:11 PM , Rating: 2
I've got to admit, I got a bit tweaked when Obama and crowd decided that Independence Day needed to share time with Sesame Street.

I was listening from the next room, and it was like "WHAT did he just say.

Perhaps I'm oversensitive about such things, but c'mon.


RE: Men on Film
By FITCamaro on 7/14/2009 2:26:15 PM , Rating: 2
What is this? I must have missed it.


RE: Men on Film
By JohnnyCNote on 7/14/2009 3:27:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What is this? I must have missed it.


You can't miss something that didn't happen:

http://dc.about.com/od/specialeventphotos1/ss/Capi...

"A Capitol Fourth 2009 - Independence Day Concert

This year at A CAPITOL FOURTH, as a special treat for the entire family, Elmo, Big Bird and the rest of the SESAME STREET gang will be on hand to celebrate America’s 233rd birthday. The Muppets will perform a musical medley of patriotic favorites, as well as iconic songs that everyone knows and loves from 40 years of the breakthrough children’s television series."

In other words, all that happened was characters from Sesame Street participated in the 2009 Independence Day celebration in Washington. A simple Google search is all it takes.

However, when one is predisposed to ascribed the worst possible intentions to Pres. Obama, all the facts in the world are of little value . . .


RE: Men on Film
By FITCamaro on 7/14/2009 3:38:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory...


Actually I think he's referring to this.

quote:
Celebrating his first Independence Day as President, Obama asks all Americans to honor those who created a new form of government and to re-dedicate ourselves to the ideals for which so many have given so much. He also marks another special moment in our nation's history with a congratulatory message to the breakthrough children's television series, Sesame Street, who are also celebrating a milestone, 40 years of fun and learning!


I agree. Why would you bring up Sesame Street?


RE: Men on Film
By Parhel on 7/14/2009 4:23:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why would you bring up Sesame Street?


Did you read the article you linked to? He was speaking on a PBS special featuring the Muppets. Is any further explanation necessary here?


Or.....
By Matt72 on 7/14/2009 8:04:52 AM , Rating: 2
*shrugs* Or those same people could use those means as a way to report crime in their community and assist the police in apprehending criminals, their choice.




RE: Or.....
By Parhel on 7/14/2009 9:23:32 AM , Rating: 1
Well, that is what they're doing . . . reporting crimes committed by police officers in their community. I'm from Chicago, so maybe I see this issue differently than some here, but all too often the police are criminals.


RE: Or.....
By mdogs444 on 7/14/2009 9:27:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm from Chicago, so maybe I see this issue differently than some here, but all too often the police are criminals.

Thats not everywhere. It just happens to be that you people in Chicago are the ones who keep voting criminals INTO OFFICE! I lived there for 4 years from 03-07, when Daley was mayor, Obama was in the State Senate, and had the city/state running rampant with corruption for their own personal interests.

I've left since, but nothing there has changed. The police aren't the criminals....the public officials voted into office are.


RE: Or.....
By PhoenixKnight on 7/14/2009 10:10:42 AM , Rating: 2
Chicago politicians are the masters of voter fraud. Hell, they practically wrote the book on voter fraud. The most senior and powerful of our alderman like to constantly change their districts to ensure that they encompass neighborhoods of people who will vote for them, generally apathetic upper-class people.


RE: Or.....
By killerroach on 7/14/2009 10:10:50 AM , Rating: 2
You know what they say, "the problem with political jokes is all too often they get elected."

Different urban areas have differing views toward the police, though. I used to live in East Cleveland, and never got the same vibe of outright hatred toward the police that I hear from people in Chicago or (even worse) LA. Suspicion, sure, but a bit of suspicion is healthy, whereas outright hostility toward law enforcement usually turns an area into a haven for criminals in no time.


RE: Or.....
By mdogs444 on 7/14/2009 10:16:04 AM , Rating: 2
Oh trust me, I know about east Cleveland. My father was a fireman in Collinwood (152nd & St. Claire I think). Anyone who actually tries to convince the public that the police are responsible for the problems in those neighborhoods will get nothing but laughed at.


RE: Or.....
By Parhel on 7/14/2009 1:59:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I lived there for 4 years from 03-07, when Daley was mayor, Obama was in the State Senate, and had the city/state running rampant with corruption for their own personal interests.


Daley, sure. But Obama? The state senate is a nothing job with zero political influence. He did that to pad his resume, and everyone bought into it. It isn't even a full time job.

During the elections, I once challenged a group of about 15 fellow Chicagoans to name one member of the Illinois state senate. Not one person could do it. Obama was never a player in Illinois politics. He jumped straight from an entry level position with no power to Congress.

I wanted to like Obama, but I disagree with his policies and voted against him. But don't try to pin what's wrong with Illinois on the man. If for no other reason than not to distract people from the real criminals like Blagojevich or the incompetents like Stroger.


RE: Or.....
By FITCamaro on 7/14/2009 10:10:47 AM , Rating: 2
Agree with mdogs. Can you keep your criminals in your own state and not send them to Washington please?


So what happens?
By snbdr on 7/14/2009 10:18:27 AM , Rating: 2
So what happens when the police are assaulted when they are trying to do their job? What will happen to those videos?




RE: So what happens?
By room200 on 7/14/2009 10:27:29 AM , Rating: 2
The other officers will beat the crap out of them before they ever make it to the police station, then claim they were resisting arrest. Happens all the time.


RE: So what happens?
By callmeroy on 7/14/2009 10:32:26 AM , Rating: 2
Good point.....but certianly no one will care about that side because remember all cops are evil......until the folks who hate cops need one and they are crying out for help -- suddenly the cops that responde to THAT call are cool for the duration of that incident....

funny how that works....


RE: So what happens?
By room200 on 7/14/2009 10:44:11 AM , Rating: 2
I think that that's going overboard. I have 3 friends who are cops (and they know how I feel), and they are good people. One of them, I would not want to meet on a dark street when nobody else is around, I I've told him this. I think that the majority of police officers are good people, but it's the few that screw it up for the rest; furthermore, it's that culture of silence that shields the bad ones from prosecution under the law.


RE: So what happens?
By RandallMoore on 7/14/2009 11:23:13 AM , Rating: 2
my brain hurt after trying to read that.


RE: So what happens?
By room200 on 7/14/2009 6:18:09 PM , Rating: 2
Your what?


It's needed
By magneticfield on 7/14/2009 8:23:09 AM , Rating: 2
I've seen reports of police officers excessively using their tasers on people that posed no threat to anyone...
that would be enough a reason to stop seeing all police officers as angels.

The best attitude is showing respect, you cooperate with them, but if you can, you film the encounter, it's your right.




RE: It's needed
By mdogs444 on 7/14/2009 8:42:19 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I've seen reports of police officers excessively using their tasers on people that posed no threat to anyone...

Resisting arrest is the most common reason for using tasers. In fact, studies have shown that using the taser on a person is better than forcing their arms behind their backs in order to cuff them. It has the ability to reduce bodily harm from resisting. The taser has no lasting effects.

"Don't taze me bro!" - god I would have paid to see them taze him another 3 or 4 times in a row.


RE: It's needed
By TheSpaniard on 7/14/2009 9:59:14 AM , Rating: 2
while I agree that the people resisting arrest are giving warrant for the police to use force, tasers have this nasty side-effect of causing heart attacks in people with minute or undetectable heart issues. and that makes it potentially lethal.


RE: It's needed
By mdogs444 on 7/14/2009 10:08:23 AM , Rating: 2
If they're heart issues are undetectable, then there is no reason to try to avoid them.

Look, those people have the ability to NOT be tased. It's called doing what the officer tells you to do without being an idiot. If a person with a heart problem gets tased and dies - chances are they brought it up on themselves and caused their own death.


RE: It's needed
By stilltrying on 7/14/2009 2:23:24 PM , Rating: 2
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams

Most stuff called laws are not laws. Statues, codes, rules and regulations are parts of corporations. Who was harmed when someone was speeding but no one got injured? It is nothing more than a money making scheme for the corporation United States of America. It is not about ethics it is only about money. Most laws are the same as thought crime, tell me who the injured party is or what contract they are breaking, if there is none then thought or probability justice is taking place.


Good if used responsibly...
By callmeroy on 7/14/2009 10:26:34 AM , Rating: 4
My perspective on this story is one who comes from an extended family full of law enforcement -- friends who are state troopers in Maryland and PA, cousin who is in Philadelphia SWAT, uncle with over 25 years with the Philadelphia Police Department now a detective in NJ over 10 years, other family members Camden, NJ Police - still other friends in the Marines, Coast Guard and Army.

I therefore have no shortage of on the job stories they all tell at BBQ's and other family gatherings through out each year.

The folks in my family and friends who are all in law enforcement are good, decent people. Upstanding citizens who deeply believe in their role as "to protect and serve".

I can tell you they are passionate about what they do -- I can only imagine that passion is needed when you do a job that you know puts you directly against folks who want to see you die.

I have to believe that some of you on these boards must know that not all law enforcement are the evil , corrupted sons of bitches that our culture is so fast and popular to make them out to be.

To be a good guy in a law enforcement job such as police is a task that regular everyday citizens can't possibly fathom. Imagine a job that you love to do with all your heart and you do it driven by the vision and goal of defending and protecting the innocent, that you know you will not hesitate to trade your life for another if that's what requires to safe an innocent child or adult -- even if that adult or child looks upon you with disgust due to the taint of your uniform that was brought on by others in your organization.

Imagine extreme scrutiny in every word your say to someone in the course of you doing your duty and especially everything you DO.

Imagine all this and then when a family member or loved one ask why the hell would someone put up with all that crap (for comparitively crappy pay in most cases) and they reply basically with "I love what I do".

So I just want some perspective out there before all the "all cops suck all cops are corrupt" kind of posts break out --- remember the good far out number the bad...and the good bleed for the protection of the innocent--- even when the innocent mock the cops, the cops will still die for them.




RE: Good if used responsibly...
By boobot on 7/14/2009 10:58:25 AM , Rating: 2
I finally got some time to post again. Agreed on the above. Many police departments have a program that will allow you to ride with an officer for one night. I recommend doing it! Put yourself in their shoes and see what they go through daily.


RE: Good if used responsibly...
By Donovan on 7/14/2009 11:42:48 AM , Rating: 4
For the record there are people here who do not think all police are evil (and, for that matter, also do not think all blacks are criminals). This topic is both race and law enforcement flame-bait, and I imagine many reasonable posters are staying out of it.

Police have the somewhat paradoxical role in society of enforcing our rights by selectively denying us our rights. While many of the protections we have under the law are objective, in practice the subjective view of a police officer can have a huge affect on whether our rights are preserved or denied. Even those of us who respect the work of the police have a certain amount of fear, both of meeting a dishonest police officer but also of meeting one who simply chooses not to believe us when we are innocent. There aren’t many left who still believe the old line: "You have nothing to worry about if you've done nothing wrong."

I think one of the biggest problems is that our own demands on the police are so contradictory. We want them to be vigilant in catching criminals but we also never want to find ourselves caught in the crosshairs of that vigilance. We all have to remember that there is a reason we protect the rights of all suspects; unfortunately our high principles are quickly abandoned whenever words are preceded by the magic incantation "The War On", such as "The War on Drugs" and "The War on Terror". Perhaps people would be less afraid of law enforcement if we all paid more attention to "The War on Due Process".

Maybe law enforcement can never live up to our standards...they do work so vital and carry so much authority that our standard is near perfection. Still, people should at least try to remember that we can be forgiving of mistakes without becoming soft on corruption. Police officers should get the same presumption of innocence we want them to use when dealing with us.


Don't judge other people's motives
By room200 on 7/14/2009 10:13:01 AM , Rating: 5
In this day and age, even when there is video footage of police brutality, it's still damn near IMPOSSIBLE to get a criminal conviction against a police officer. Many of you need who, with a hidden agenda, need to get off this "blacks play the race card" garbage. Here in Chicago, a Chicago police officer beat and kicked a thin white woman who refused to serve him more liquor (he was already drunk). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjQOwevteAE The entire episode was caught on tape of this 300lb guy beating this poor woman and kicking her. Guess what? he got after being convicted....probation. If a white female can't get justice against some of these jackasses, what chance does a young black man (who's always presumed guilty anyway) have in the same situation? As long as some of YOU aren't the victim of brutality, I guess it doesn't matter. Then those same police officers protect him so the media can't get to him when he goes to court, and threaten to ticket and arrest the media! This kind of crap happens all the time in Chicago.




By ClownPuncher on 7/14/2009 1:23:08 PM , Rating: 2
But...I hear the pizza is good there.


New Database
By WW102 on 7/14/2009 9:49:50 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
According to Benjamin Jealous, the NAACP’s president and CEO, information gathered from various reports will be used differently; while the NAACP may choose to use certain footage/information instantly, other reports may be entered into a comprehensive database for trending and use in more long-term illustrations.


A database for tracking police wrong doing huh? What about a database for tracking criminal wrong doing? Oh nevermind I guess we could trend the data from all the prisons.




RE: New Database
By rcc on 7/14/2009 2:03:29 PM , Rating: 2
Haven't you heard? That's a violation of their civil liberties. You can't punish or inconvenience criminals. : )


Lame joke...
By oTAL on 7/14/2009 9:57:11 AM , Rating: 2
He always says yes when his wife/gf asks "Are you Jealous?"




With our powers combined...
By bkslopper on 7/14/2009 12:34:08 PM , Rating: 2
Minority Super-Friends... HO!!!!!




I can just imagine how this would go
By jlips6 on 7/15/2009 11:02:23 AM , Rating: 2
cop: empty out your pockets!
citizen: no. You are allowed to "stop and frisk", but the actual-
*cop beats citizen over the head*
cop: empty out those pockets!
*citizen takes out phone, turns on camera*
cop: I'm talkin' to you boy! Give me that phone!
citizen: you can't take my pho-
cop:Do I look like I'm following the rules?
*smashes phone*
*continues abuse*




Its about time.
By lordcron on 7/14/2009 9:38:49 PM , Rating: 1
When a society works for you, You don't question it even when it works only for you and no one else. The law (IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT) Works for whites. They are completely sleep or just don't really give a rats ass if it works for everyone so as a result, A splinter society is born to counter act the bullshit. You can get mad all you want but at the end of the day you still have to ask yourselves the same question. Why do these people feel this way? As long as you refuse to see what others go through you will have societies within societies. Get use to it.




Save the rhetoric folks
By hmurchison on 7/14/09, Rating: -1
"Let's face it, we're not changing the world. We're building a product that helps people buy more crap - and watch porn." -- Seagate CEO Bill Watkins











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