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Groups urge Muslims to ask for pat down instead

Airport security is and will continue to be an important topic in the post 9/11 world. There is a fine line between security and the invasion of a traveler's privacy. Many are claiming that the new full body scanners at some airports that show images of the human body in detail are an invasion of privacy.

The full body scanners were first detailed in 2009 and show anatomically correct images of the person being scanned that are only seen by the operator. After a failed Christmas day bomb scare on a Detroit-bound flight, speculation arose after that Obama could decree the wider use of full body scanners in airports.

Britain has now adopted a no scan, no fly policy where a traveler who refuses to be scanned on request will not be allowed to board a plane.

Full body scanning at airports is now under attack by Muslim groups who claim that the scanners violate the Teachings of Islam. A statement was issued by the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA) stating, “General and public use of such scanners is against the teachings of Islam, natural law and all religions and cultures that stand for decency and modesty." The FCNA continued, "It is a violation of clear Islamic teachings that men or women be seen naked by other men and women. The Qur'an has commanded the believers, both men and women, to cover their private parts."

Muslim groups are asking followers to refuse scanning and ask for pat downs instead reports the Chicago Sun-Times. The FCNA has asked that changes be made to the software of the scanner to only show body outlines.

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Wake up people!
By chunkymonster on 2/16/2010 12:08:34 PM , Rating: 4
Full body scanners are invasive! Let's face it, these full body scanners are effectively electronic strip searches. No one would condone a routine strip search just to fly on a plane so why would anyone condone the electronic equivalent. We are being turned into sheep and made to believe that in order to be safe and secure we must give up our privacy!

This is about losing civil liberties under the guise of safety and security! In my opinion, the Muslims are using their "religious freedom" to do what any civic minded and freedom loving person should be doing anyway!

Get off the Muslim hating, they've got the right idea, for once!




RE: Wake up people!
By mmntech on 2/16/2010 12:20:47 PM , Rating: 4
For once, I agree with the Muslims. These scanners not only violate Islamic law, but possibly constitutional American law.


RE: Wake up people!
By Ristogod on 2/16/2010 12:29:33 PM , Rating: 5
Yep, I'm not a huge fan of their religion. But I do agree with their point on the scanners.

It's too bad that you have to be offended religiously to matter though. Who cares if are civil liberties are offended or compromised?

Not our government (which by the way should have no say whatsoever in what aviation companies can and cannot do)


RE: Wake up people!
By UNCjigga on 2/16/2010 1:38:50 PM , Rating: 5
Agreed--the scanners are of greater concern than terrorist threats. In fact, there's already one well-known case of a prominent Muslim actor (India's Shah Rukh Khan) being asked to autograph naked pictures of himself--taken from an airport scanner at Heathrow by the staff and circulated! Do you want civil service employees to have access to your nekkid pics? I think not.


RE: Wake up people!
By mcnabney on 2/16/2010 7:55:06 PM , Rating: 2
Right now they legally have the right to strip you naked and stick their fingers up your ass. Right now, and that has nothing to do with the scanners. The devices are a time-saver that eliminates the need for pat-downs.


RE: Wake up people!
By MisterMystery on 2/17/2010 2:24:24 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Not our government(which by the way should have no say whatsoever in what aviation companies can and cannot do)

Are you serious? Delta, Southwest, United... etc... these are all "Aviation companies". None of which have ANYTHING to do with airport security. Since an airplane, once it leaves the ground, enters into US airspace, you're damn right it is the Fed's right to ensure the security of that vessel. Give me a break.


RE: Wake up people!
By michal1980 on 2/16/2010 2:53:23 PM , Rating: 2
how do they violate the consituation?


RE: Wake up people!
By Yawgm0th on 2/16/2010 3:32:48 PM , Rating: 5
Citizenship revoked.

Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America:
quote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


RE: Wake up people!
By Aloonatic on 2/16/2010 5:18:44 PM , Rating: 2
Oh to live in a country with a constitution.

I guess I'll have to make do with an EU constitution, imposed by a a body that isn't a State (apparently) with a president whom I'm not allowed to vvote for, due to a "constirution" that I was not allwoed to vote on.


RE: Wake up people!
By Yawgm0th on 2/16/2010 5:50:43 PM , Rating: 1
But you're allowed to vote for people who vote for the people who vote for the president. It's normal representative government... by proxy... by proxies.


RE: Wake up people!
By michal1980 on 2/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Wake up people!
By knutjb on 2/16/2010 7:40:18 PM , Rating: 2
And so long as they run everyone through it to pick on all equally, it isn't an arbitrary search.

I personally don't like this particular machine because it still doesn't pickup threats that other tech can do for a lower cost without the intrusion. It presents a false sense of security, it wouldn't have picked up the diaper bomber.


RE: Wake up people!
By AlmostExAMD on 2/17/2010 6:18:39 AM , Rating: 1
Sounds like so many are body conscious in the first place,You people already have a serious problem if your worried about someone seeing your body, Geezus what is this world coming to, Go fkn exercise or something if your that self conscious, I am no Brad Pitt(Troy) that's for sure, But I couldn't give 2 shits if I had to walk through some scanner to board a plane, Better than someone strip searching and sticking their fingers up my arse as a previous poster said!
Don't like it then TOUGH,Stay home. You have a choice!
Until they can come up with another idea/technology to replace it,Then we ALL have to live with it!


RE: Wake up people!
By Yawgm0th on 2/17/2010 1:42:01 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Again, please tell me how your rights would be voilated?
I have a right to no unreasonable search without an expressed court order. Naked X-ray pictures are unreasonable searches by any definition.

I am a hypothetical passenger aboard a plane coming out of a public airport being screened by an agency of a department of the Executive branch of the United States Federal Government. I am not required to undergo screening by the owners or operators of airplanes, but by the Transportation Security Administration. The owners of the plane have literally no say whatsoever in what sort of screening process I go through, and relatively little say in anything related to the matter.

I have the right to fly until a law is specifically written revoking it. There are law limited my right to actually fly my own plane (must have a license) or to fly aboard one (private planes must still follow airspace laws).

Privilege or right, opting to engage in it does not cede one's Constitutional rights. TSA violates the Fourth Amendment more than I violate state and municipal traffic laws -- and believe me, that is saying something.


RE: Wake up people!
By energy1man on 2/16/2010 8:07:43 PM , Rating: 1
It is an adminstrative search, which you consent to when you submit your self or belongings for screening. Fourth Admendment does not apply. If you don't consent, you don't have to fly.


RE: Wake up people!
By Yawgm0th on 2/17/2010 1:34:25 AM , Rating: 5
It is an unreasonable search, submitted without a court order or a legal authorization. No where is a law (of which I'm aware) written that states all passengers must have naked pictures taken of them in order to fly in public airports in this country.

The Executive branch is in violation of the Fourth Amendment to require full body scans for all passengers or for any passengers unless probable cause is given. Choosing to fly on a plane is not probable cause.

If they want to do full body scans, Congress must pass a law specifying that they should be performed. Alternatively, airline or security companies can require a signed waiver, with all passengers going through the search.

Regardless of whatever legal ways around it there are, it is definitely against the spirit of the Fourth Amendment. "It's a privilege and you must consent" or similar nonsense doesn't stack up. You can say anything not expressed as a right in the Constitution is a privilege at that point. The Constitution was never supposed to be an exhaustive lists of rights, and rather specifically is designed to limit the government's rights, not the people's.

Additionally, people who won't want to fly because they don't want to consent to the scanners could adversely affect the economy. Airlines are struggling enough as it is, and this definitely could have an impact. We need more people flying to keep the industry profitable and keep tickets affordable for everyone.

It's an illegal, immoral, ineffective policy which will negatively affect the economy.


RE: Wake up people!
By MisterMystery on 2/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Wake up people!
By energy1man on 2/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Wake up people!
By energy1man on 2/17/2010 3:25:56 AM , Rating: 2
http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/298/298.F3...

Link to more recent 9th circuit court of appeals case, regarding legality of searches. This case had more to do with baggage search, but references the same 1973 case, in setting the following standards. The searchs are legal as long as the TSA are looking for weapons or explosives, confined to that purpose, and the passenger can opt out by not flying.


RE: Wake up people!
By callmeroy on 2/22/2010 1:34:18 PM , Rating: 2
Your post is way to long for your point.

Blah blah yeah yeah 4th amendment.

While I agree with you the notion that EVERYONE all the time should be scanned is a bit ridiculous and even outrageous, I will tell you that probable cause is far easier to get around than you may think.

A law enforcement official doesn't really need much to meet probable cause. I know , there's about a dozen cops (from three different states, some local, some SWAT and some State) in my extended family.

Basically it has to do with the officer needs cause to suspect another law is in violation. A cop sees you part of a bong sticking out a bag in your back seat -- he just got cause to search your entire car...and you. Likewise with any weapon....even if un-intentional...maybe you have a baseball bat that ironically has some red paint splatter on it -- you know its innocent, but the cop doesn't...probable cause.

Granted with an airport situation - not a whole lot of reasons for an officer to search you, but still probable cause wouldn't take much.


RE: Wake up people!
By eloquentloser on 2/21/2010 9:31:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It is an adminstrative search, which you consent to when you submit your self or belongings for screening. Fourth Admendment does not apply. If you don't consent, you don't have to fly.


If they make the search a condition of you leaving your house for the public street, will that still be ok? What if they require a strip-search inside your house, or you aren't eligible to have the power connected? Still optional?

Surely the reasonableness test here applies not only to the nature of the search itself, but the reasonableness of the measures by which you are compelled, to a greater or lesser degree, to submit to the search in question?


RE: Wake up people!
By callmeroy on 2/22/2010 1:26:08 PM , Rating: 2
The funny thing is "probable cause" is insanely easy for them to get around.

Technically a cop who pulls you over on the side of the road needs "probable cause" before he rifle through your belongings in your car. His probable cause can pretty much be anything though - some cigarette rolling papers, perhaps you have some flour packed in a clear plastic container, etc. Silly examples of course - but that's the point. The cop has met probable cause on any of those items -- how does he NOT know the flour isn't drugs? How does he not know the rolling paper isn't for marijuana cigarettes?

The same can be said by TSA agents with this scanner -- all they need as the slightest hint - be it (not trying to be funny) a bulge in your clothing that looks out of place (say the side of your leg), any residue/substance or powder on your shirt, your bags, your demeanor or attitude, etc. All probable cause - meets the requirements of the 4th amendment.


RE: Wake up people!
By Aloonatic on 2/16/2010 3:15:40 PM , Rating: 2
It seems that they might violate UK/EU laws too:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jan/17/equa...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE61F01M2010021...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-i...

I'm more against them as a massive waste of money. Maybe if this was all PR bull and they were nothing but some empty metal boxes with nothing inside, acting as nothing but a deternet then that would be all good.

Sadly however, human error is still far too big a problem and current secutiy procedures should be a lot more affective, if implemented properly. Maybe if the security services even bothered to listen to people who say that they fear that their children have been readicalised (there can't be many who do) rather than waiting until they try to set fire to their own nads we might be a little safer. Without us having to pay through the nose to be inconvenienced more, lose more privacy and surrender more of our dignaty and freedoms to paranoid governments who do far to much based on what (often) self apointed "experts" say.


RE: Wake up people!
By ats on 2/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Wake up people!
By Yawgm0th on 2/16/2010 3:59:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"


I will take the Fourth Amendment over planes any day.


RE: Wake up people!
By Jeffk464 on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Wake up people!
By kitonne on 2/22/2010 5:34:27 PM , Rating: 1
There is no right to fly and if you are offended by screening, PLEASE stay home, by all means :) I agree the more bigots (regardless of any specific religion affiliation) are offended and decide not to fly and travel by walking instead, the better off the rest of us are.

For me a much bigger issue is repeat exposure - as a (very) frequent flier I have an issue getting through the frigging device 6 to 10 times each week, as X-Ray effects are cumulative over time. I am sure the problem with cumulative exposure is even greater for pilots and air crews, as well as all other people working in the terminals who have to pass through security a couple of times each day.


RE: Wake up people!
By Artistotle on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Wake up people!
By BigPeen on 2/16/2010 2:30:20 PM , Rating: 2
I hope you don't drive a car, cause oh MAN that's way more dangerous than flying. Even if there was one plane crash a month from some "terrorist" attack, the deaths would pale in comparison to annual automobile fatalities. Why is it that one small danger requires elimination of dignity and extreme cost, while the one we face everyday goes unnoticed by most people?


RE: Wake up people!
By Laereom on 2/16/2010 2:55:22 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. The threat of terrorists overtaking a plane is really overblown, unless they book the whole thing. The only reason 9/11 occurred is because we were used to terrorists issuing demands rather than just trying to kill us. The rules have changed, and people will behave accordingly in the future. The threat of blowing up a plane, meanwhile, is also quite small. And even if they blow up a plane a every year year, it's tiny in comparison to automobile crashes nationally. Heck, even locally, in a big city like New York. But even that is a nightmare scenario compared to real life, where in America we haven't had any successful terrorist attacks for years.

That being said, I agree with the previous poster's point in that real security does, unfortunately, come at the cost of some degree of liberty. And despite what good ol' Benjy Franklin may have said, EVERYONE sacrifices freedom for security, and EVERYONE has some of each. Of course, I'd like to leave as much of that up to choice as possible, and in this case, it really makes no sense to implement something like this.


RE: Wake up people!
By mcnabney on 2/16/2010 8:03:51 PM , Rating: 2
There is almost nothing that can be done to drastically reduce traffic fatalities. They are a fact of life unless you want to spend $10 trillion dollars redoing all roadways to make collisions impossible.

The terror risk of flying is very real and has a psychological impact on the whole western world. For example, relatively few people are killed by sharks every year. You know that and you know that sharks are in the ocean. People will happily frolick in the ocean as long as they don't see the shark as an immediate threat. However, if you saw someone chewed up by a shark right in front of you, you wouldn't go right back in the water. That is the situation. The emotional trauma of 911 has left a lasting scar on the public. If we want to fly again we have to do as much as possible to curtail or eliminate the risk. Because in the modern world we can see that shark circling the beaches every day on the news....


RE: Wake up people!
By itzmec on 2/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Wake up people!
By chunkymonster on 2/17/2010 12:33:55 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
The US government realizes that this is a moral conundrum, and this is their answer as devised by large committees of people. People far more equipped than you or I to make the choice of not necessarily what's best, but what's reasonable.
Ah yes, another person who drank the kool-aid and believes that elected officials and committees know what's better for them than themselves. Full body scanners are not reasonable, they are a band-aid for the broken security policy and a panacea for the fearful masses.

quote:
Unless you have a superior plan for allowing people to be safe and secure without giving up any privacy, you're just flapping your lips.
I would much rather have the National Guard or military personnel acting as security screeners in our nation's airports. I would place more trust in our military to perform security duties than some security company who was awarded the contract because they were the lowest bidder.


RE: Wake up people!
By michal1980 on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Wake up people!
By Yawgm0th on 2/16/2010 4:05:25 PM , Rating: 5
Airports, as you even note, are public, not private. TSA is not a private enterprise doing private security. It is a government agency, part of DHS, and engaging in practices that violate the constitution.

If individual airlines had private security, that would be different. They could demand strip searches as a requirement for travel, provided a disclaimer were provided when the ticket was purchased. Airport security is handled by public officials enforcing federal law, and as such they are bound to maintain our constitutionally protected liberties.


RE: Wake up people!
By Ammohunt on 2/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Wake up people!
By delphinus100 on 2/16/2010 2:30:44 PM , Rating: 2
Don't be so sure. Some people may be perfectly willing to 'martyr' you along with themselves, entirely without your expectation or consent, even (or especially!) if you happen to be of the same faith.

And don't the airlines/airports of predominantly Muslim countries have security, too? Weapons/explosives aren't the only things people smuggle onto aircraft. I'm reminded of the opening scenes of 'Midnight Express...'


RE: Wake up people!
By Aloonatic on 2/16/2010 3:06:45 PM , Rating: 1
They might not just blow it up. Maybe they might try to fly it into a building full of non-muslims?

Nah, that'll never happen. Forget I even thought of it, it's a crazy idea.


RE: Wake up people!
By lennylim on 2/16/2010 3:31:42 PM , Rating: 3
Though radical Islamic terrorists seem to be all that's on the news right now, sadly they're not the only terrorists. And for those on the other end of the lunatic spectrum, a flight filled with Muslims would look like a mighty tempting target.


RE: Wake up people!
By Ammohunt on 2/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Wake up people!
By decapitator666 on 2/23/2010 2:18:59 PM , Rating: 2
An excellent reason to introduce them... Might lead religious nuts not going on board because flying becomes haram.. problem solved..


NO EXCEPTIONS
By amanojaku on 2/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: NO EXCEPTIONS
By Artistotle on 2/16/2010 12:50:04 PM , Rating: 2
Should cars not come with airbags just because the car isn't fully deathproof even with them? Think about the weight savings, you'd get better 0-60 times and more mpg afterall.

At least modern security measures reduce the risk. Reduced risk is better than full risk. Especially when no risk is impossible.


RE: NO EXCEPTIONS
By amanojaku on 2/16/2010 1:58:25 PM , Rating: 2
The airbags in a car have little to no impact on a driver's ability to operate a car, particularly performance. The security lines at airports impact the ability for fliers to stick to a schedule. I'm not even going to speculate on the cost to operate the security teams, or the impact on flying schedules and operating costs, which translates into ticket fares...

As to risk, considering the last decade alone it seems as if security isn't up to snuff. Bombs have made it through and we've been lucky it was INCOMPETENCE on the part of the terrorists that saved us. Other terrorists have been more successful in various means, as 9/11 showed. And the new T-ray scanners are thought to fry your 'nads or other important tissues. So what exactly is airport security getting us? Weapons and drugs have slipped through, but if I huff at how long the line is taking I'm getting a cavity search.

If we're going to do airport security it can't be the way we're doing it now. And if we're going to continue doing it this way I'm not going to stand for one group getting privileges while the rest of us are seriously inconvenienced. Not that I'm worried, because I'm sure the TSA laughed when it heard this.


RE: NO EXCEPTIONS
By ats on 2/16/2010 2:14:24 PM , Rating: 3
Anyone with half a brain know how to make it all work and make it fast, its just that they also know that everyone would throw a bloody tantrum if they ever implemented it.

First change: no carry on.
Second change: if you fail, you go back to the end of the line.
Third change: You are allowed to bring on the plain what you can physically carry in your hands and what will fit in the seat back pocket. No more.
Fourth change: you will be searched, if you don't like it, take a bus. You will feel violated. Get over it. People will molest your privates as part of the search. You really think they want to? You have a way too high opinion of yourself.
Fifth change: the airport will provide water fountains and paper cups. That's it. No vendors past security.

Do the same for land side operations and you'll significantly improve airport security.


RE: NO EXCEPTIONS
By RivuxGamma on 2/16/2010 8:18:55 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I think that you're wrong about #4 there. Remember the Stanford Prison Experiment? People are going to get more of a sadistic pleasure from it because you have have no alternative other than to let them.


Ignorance is NOT bliss...
By Bulletproofair on 2/16/2010 4:58:24 PM , Rating: 5
I figure I'll chime in, because it seems there's a lot of people making comments based on emotion as opposed to facts...

Not all terrorists are Muslims.
Not all Muslims are terrorists.
Not all Muslims are Brown and Black.
The Qu'ran does NOT promote terrorist acts.
The interpreters are the ones who do the damage...just like in Christianity, the Muslim religion has many interpretations, some good, some evil.

Al-Qaeda takes the Koran out of context for personal gain. (Republicans taking the Bible out of context to bolster their positions in social issues would be a scaled down example of that happening in the US)

I'm not going to refute individual claims (because most of them are retarded) because a simple click to Wikipedia would serve many well here. I can understand people's concerns, but racially profiling will ONLY lead to them using a desperate-to-be-accepted white boy that speaks English to do their dirty work...and everyone knows it. I was gonna say I'm surprised they haven't tried this on us yet, but they are actually acting on intelligence from the "underpants bomber" concerning this very thing.

I hate to sound "elite" (elites and their memory...) but I take pride in my knowledge of world cultures (...I DID go to college after all....) and am actually ashamed when I read this amount of ignorance and douchebagery being spread, it embarrasses me and feel like it also embarrasses the US as a a country...

And to pertain to the story, there are better ways, such as thermal imaging, to get a more accurate picture without being so revealing.

I'd like to see the comments on this story if it applied to Christianity instead of Muslim...I think the comments would be a lot different.

They have an honest argument, and I'm comfortable with anybody choosing to have a pat-down if they want. I'm just amazed at the amount of paranoia these politicians have embedded in people...

No offense intended to anybody. Maybe I'm just the Devil's Advocate...Fact check...please....




RE: Ignorance is NOT bliss...
By NewsBroker on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Ignorance is NOT bliss...
By NewsBroker on 2/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Ignorance is NOT bliss...
By mcnabney on 2/16/2010 8:14:55 PM , Rating: 1
I am pissed off at the terrorists too, but that site is just a bunch of bigotted hate-mongers.

Their valid point that there is plenty within the Quran that encourages this behavior is lost in the right-wing political hate speech.


RE: Ignorance is NOT bliss...
By NewsBroker on 2/16/2010 11:15:55 PM , Rating: 2
Did you actually read the site, or did you just skim it and decide it was "hateful".

The lead story condemned vandalism against a mosque, and they have always taken the position that anyone who attacks someone based on their religion deserves to be punished severely.

Besides, they are primarily a news aggrigator. Link to the stories and decide for yourself if it's trustworthy.


By TerranMagistrate on 2/16/2010 8:44:33 PM , Rating: 1
Excellent post, NewsBroker.

Islam is unlike any other major religion in that it is also a political ideology. Jihad is their way of spreading Islam to the world, by force in most instances, like a deadly disease spreading across the body.


RE: Ignorance is NOT bliss...
By Litt on 2/17/2010 7:33:02 AM , Rating: 1
Thanks Newsbroker


a peaceful religion
By hardcodetechie on 2/16/2010 1:36:12 PM , Rating: 3
I'm a muslim, and from my point of view, they are simply doing a routine classification of the occasional topics which come up in the community. No one is saying the law has to be changed just for us. A devout muslim will not fly if there is something doubtful against their religion.
In my opinion, extremism comes from extremist people, which has nothing to do with religion.
I know several devout muslims, and I can assure you they are quite peaceful. I am a new muslim, a westerner like some of you, and I've never been taught anything I would consider harmful.
When I ask a muslim about topics like this inside the community, the answer is usually "it's just politics, islam is a peaceful religion".
We all have the rights to our opinions, but please check the original sources.
I come here for tech news myself, not political debates, so let's move on...




RE: a peaceful religion
By VultureTX on 2/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: a peaceful religion
By suhailansari on 2/20/2010 8:22:25 AM , Rating: 2
hey buddy i think to condemn people of faith other than yours is totaly being fag... well i m also a muslim but i don't follow my faith as i have other important issues... i have seen crazier christians (i mean totaly insane) i dont tell them to leave jesus...i think sometimes faith is the only hope for some people .. u woudnt understand that u "mr. liberal".... stop watching FOX news u fag.... and for a change start watching documentaries by your more learned christian people who cares about people suffering wrath you islam hating maniacs....IMHO f#*k you.....


RE: a peaceful religion
By VultureTX on 3/9/2010 4:08:31 PM , Rating: 2
what ignorant assumptions. I am not a "people of the book"
But I am factually correct about islam.


thank u for flaming the fires daily tech
By poohbear on 2/18/2010 12:01:50 AM , Rating: 2
i can't believe dailytech is reporting on this? WHAT does this have to do w/ technology instead of fanning the flames of islamophobia??? im sure for every group that claims its AGAINST Islam there'll be others that say its perfectly acceptable if it saves lives. RELIGION IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. that's not unique to Islam or christianity, ITS HUMAN NATURE. but daily tech just HAD to report on the groups saying its "against the laws of islam" (which is not true at all, Islam is one of the most practical religions out there, until extremists gave it a terrible name) to stir up the trolls and haters.




By Pigman on 2/19/2010 1:50:00 PM , Rating: 2
poohbear yelled: 'RELIGION IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION'. Actually, Islam is not open to much interpretation at all. That officially stopped about a thousand years ago when the so called 'gates of ijtihad' were closed in Sunni Islam. Re-interpretation of Islam or innovation have been forbidden ever since. It so happens that the 'extremists' are the ones getting it right. It is the 'moderates' that are living under the false notion that it is they who speak for Islam. They don't and have no authority to create ‘Islam Lite™’ to replace Islam.


By IM ALA THE GREAT on 2/21/2010 10:47:34 PM , Rating: 2
All i can say to the Muslim Scholars go get F***!!!
Go back where you came from rumbles & stones.
Shove your Scholars where the light don't shine!!!
Don't make religion an excuse to kill people.
That is just sick!!!
You people are F*** caused the problem in the first place!!!
IAM ALA I"M TELLING GO F*** YOURSELF!!!


Can't respect you if you dont eat bacon.
By overlandpark4me on 2/16/2010 9:50:17 PM , Rating: 1
This isn't a Muslim country, so don't roll over here and think you're going to turn this country in to another France. Minorities don't get to dictate policy. Majorities do.




By alphadog on 2/17/2010 7:48:44 AM , Rating: 3
Actually, our Forefathers would be ashamed of this attitude. They call it "Tyranny of the Majority". Look into it.


Scanners...
By ExarKun333 on 2/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Scanners...
By ClownPuncher on 2/16/2010 2:15:27 PM , Rating: 3
Out of the one billion plus Muslims in the world, maybe .0005% of them are terrorists. There will always be terrorists, until every right and liberty we have is taken away, which means they will have won.


RE: Scanners...
By TerranMagistrate on 2/16/10, Rating: 0
Does terrorism violate the laws of Islam?
By corduroygt on 2/16/2010 12:04:40 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure it does, so they should STFU.




By IM ALA THE GREAT on 2/16/2010 11:10:11 PM , Rating: 1
All this Muslims makes out they all religious and believe in ALA is Great and yet they kill Innocent People. What a JOKE!!!


By Qapa on 2/16/2010 7:11:11 PM , Rating: 3
1 - It either adds little/nothing (hiding "private parts") to security or it invades privacy (showing "private parts").

2 - It has been said to cause DNA mutation which leads to cancer.

3 - Since it will be used hiding private parts, it adds costs without adding to security.

How is it that an, health hazardous, costly measure that does nothing to improve security is still even being considered is beyond me!!
Well..... other than lobby-ism from the companies that made this thing. But that to me is simply buying politicians off!

Also, stop muslim hating - it is no better than black hatred was (is), and it should bear no influence in removing these things from airports.

PS: It would be funny to make 1 or 2 no-flight days to protest against this... I bet the airlines (which have been under some stress) would really jump in to side with us.




Ya know what...
By elmikethemike on 2/16/2010 8:49:43 PM , Rating: 1
I'm to the point where I just don't give two shits in a handbasket about what any Muslim person says or thinks. They brought this shit on themselves. They don't like it, tough titty.




RE: Ya know what...
By Landiepete on 2/17/2010 4:41:48 AM , Rating: 2
Hey, HEY...

simmer down, young'un !

We're talking about the inalienable right to blow up innocent people here ! Such matters are not to be trifled with !


A good thing
By 306maxi on 2/16/2010 11:34:21 AM , Rating: 2
This is actually a good thing, as we all know body scanners are not as good as a pat down so this is actually a good thing for safety and if it satisfies a religious group as well then even better.




enough of this BS already
By kattanna on 2/16/2010 11:47:50 AM , Rating: 2
getting tired of people using their lame "freedom of religion" BS to get out of following the law of the land.

if they dont want to pass through a security check point for whatever reason, then they should simply be denied entry at all. not be given special treatment.

if you dont like a law, then work to get it changed for everyone, instead of trying to find some loop hole because your too special to follow it like everyone else.




An interesting opinion...
By quadraphonic on 2/16/2010 11:55:18 AM , Rating: 2
However, being blown up for someone's misguided faith violates the laws of humanity. Muslim's aren't being forced to go through the scanners, than can still drive or travel by sea if they don't like air travel security measures.




then don't travel...
By BillyBatson on 2/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: then don't travel...
By BigPeen on 2/16/2010 2:32:57 PM , Rating: 2
No its not. Everytime you step into a car you take a MASSIVE risk. Why don't you require every possible safety precaution there? You're much more likely to die by that then by some rare "Muslim terrorist". I guess we should require everyone to wear body armor and a helmet and never drive above 30mph. I'd sure feel a lot safer then.

Oh wait...


Don't cave
By Jaybus on 2/16/2010 12:14:02 PM , Rating: 2
I hope the Brits don't cave on this one. They should require full body scanning for everyone passing through security, from passenger to baggage worker to pilot...everybody. Religion is not an excuse. The Amish don't complain because there are no longer hitching posts for their horses. If they don't want to be scanned, then they can find alternate transportation. I'm sure Muslims will not be the only religion to complain, and they can find alternate transportation as well.




Seriously
By Freezebyte on 2/16/2010 1:38:59 PM , Rating: 2
Who care's what terrorists want?




By gorehound on 2/16/2010 3:06:00 PM , Rating: 2
I do not like all the BS I go thru to fly but this is what we have to do.If you do not like the rules then take a train or a boat.
Because there are some very evil people out there who kill we must all do our part when travelling.It is their fault not ours.to bad there are even terrorists.
If Muslims do not like the scanning then I amk sorry but you have to do it to fly now.




What?
By Sazabi19 on 2/16/2010 3:59:29 PM , Rating: 2
Don't get on a fu*king plane, i would almost feel more comfortable that way anyways:)




OF COURSE it does - DUH!
By eckre on 2/16/2010 4:25:51 PM , Rating: 2
The law CLEARLY states "Kill all non-believers" and if they get caught and their plans are foiled and they kill no one, they are not following the law, thus one can easily see how this is a clear violation of their religious law.




big news
By itzmec on 2/16/2010 5:00:02 PM , Rating: 2
"Muslim Scholars Say Full Body Scanners Violate Laws of Islam"

G-wiz, so, whats for dinner?




good
By Chiisuchianu on 2/16/2010 5:15:22 PM , Rating: 2
Good, maybe they'll stop coming here then. Now if only we could find something that violates the beliefs of Mexicans and put it on the border.




If not by plane...
By wvh on 2/16/2010 5:49:32 PM , Rating: 2
Does this mean bus depots and train stations too will get body scanners real soon?




Well
By AToZKillin on 2/16/2010 6:14:15 PM , Rating: 2
Full body clothing violates laws of hotness




Segregate
By Uncle on 2/16/2010 6:42:25 PM , Rating: 2
Easy cure for all this. Let the Islam's have their own planes paid by their oil profits. Have any rules they want. and they can blow their own planes up to hell and back. I'm sure no one would then care as long as they do the blowing up out over the ocean. Turning this around, my guess is if it were white Christian woman blowing up their planes they'd be doing strip searches using males because they believe woman are incompetent to do anything other then stay at home house wives looking after the camels.




stay off my plane
By argonaut78 on 2/16/2010 8:39:22 PM , Rating: 2
I would think that if I were in a suspect class, I would welcome any attempt to prove my innocence. Since I'm generally not considered to be in that group, I say again, stay off my plane! deal with the security or don't fly with me.




What else does the Koran say?
By sonofbc on 2/17/2010 6:33:31 AM , Rating: 2
I wonder what Muslim Scholars find in their 'Holy" book about blowing up people, planes and Trade centers??..

Maybe that is allowed?

No, they had their say and now we will have our say and if you want to fly then you will abide by our laws not your ignorant spineless, racist and sexist laws taken from a bible.




It's your own faults....
By AMDkid1 on 2/17/2010 7:46:57 AM , Rating: 2
Radical Islam, is the cause of all this tight security, so try looking in the Mirror. Safety over rules ALL religious concerns. The security will stop when Terrorism is stopped, NOT UNTIL THEN, live with it.




By masamasa on 2/17/2010 11:01:30 AM , Rating: 2
If you have a problem with the scanner then don't fly, but don't try to force your religious values on the rest of society. Just because you practice a certain faith it doesn't mean you're exempt from the rules, especially in the case of Islam, where extremism is rampant.

I think everyone is pretty much sick and tired of hearing about Islam. Frankly, I think religion and greed is the root of all evil and the cause of death and destruction moreso than anything else. Just look back at the world's history and look at today's news. Christians killing Muslims, Muslims killing Christians, and so on and so forth.

Religion is an out or a comfort tool for those who fear the unknown - how we got here and what we're doing on this planet. Frankly, nobody knows and a bible sure as hell isn't going to give you any real answers. Frankly, it's nothing more than a cult with a storybook and no proof.




here's a proposal
By spepper on 2/17/2010 1:53:09 PM , Rating: 2
here's a proposal: surround all the airports scheduled for the "naked scanners" and instead of those, surround every airport with nude PETA protesters of the female variety-- that kills 2 birds with 1 stone, so to speak (no birds are harmed by this proposal, in fact)-- 1) PETA can get their wacky message conveyed, while at the same time 2) turn away all true wacko, suicidal religious extremists, who must not come within viewing range of the nude girlies, directly as a result of the same religious nutso laws that tell them to commit mass murder/suicide in the first place!




Flying is not a right.
By DarthKaos on 2/17/2010 2:33:51 PM , Rating: 2
Flying is not a right. By that token if I CHOOSE to fly I want to feel safe before I am worried about being modest. Also I am sure a truly godly god will let it slide that some anonymous person saw a black and white version of your naked body beneath your cloths so many many innocent people can avoid being blown to bits.

If you don't like getting a scan to fly on a plain, take a bus, drive a care, catch a train, find a boat, or charter your own flight.




Great news!
By meepstone on 2/17/2010 4:05:02 PM , Rating: 2
I hope this means less Muslims traveling to the U.S.




Then don't fly
By FXi on 2/17/2010 10:52:14 PM , Rating: 2
If the scanner bothers you, then don't fly. The scanner is there for your safety. It's like declaring digital cameras against the will of Allah. Ok that's nice, then don't take pictures.

Easy solution :)




By Icehearted on 2/18/2010 1:22:04 AM , Rating: 2
I mean the least they could do is approach me on a first name basis before we get this kind of personal... not that I mind showing off. Or am I the only one that thinks it would be funny to imagine frolicking bunnies in a lingerie pillow fight to induce a little pre-scan chub just to get a rise out of these people?

All puns intended.




Why
By merc2600 on 2/18/2010 3:52:41 PM , Rating: 2
Why do people die for some one we can not prove that exist. People will die for a belief but wont fight for freedom and safety. Our world is so messed up. We have even made being a racist ok, It called being multicultural.

One law for all. If you don't like it move.




Decide what comes first - country or religion
By crystal clear on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
By TerranMagistrate on 2/16/2010 8:36:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Countries like France expect their citizens to live & behave like french citizens,irrespective they being muslim or not.


You should see how the burgeoning Muslims minorities are assimilating within the indigenous westerns cultures of those European countries. The reality is that the majority are not conforming to European society but are rejecting it and hence these are growing concerns for those European governments on this matter.

The politically incorrect bottom-line fact is that Islam is not just a religion but also a totalitarian ideology that is will doom the West is it allowed to spread unchecked like the cancerous growth that it is.


By crystal clear on 2/16/2010 9:17:12 PM , Rating: 2


USA & EU should learn from India on how it manages its muslim population.

The message is clear- First your country then your religion !

The worst affected country being the UK,it finds itself become the breeding ground for Islamic terrorist.

Even educational institions of repute like the Cambridge/Oxford univerties have become a platform for muslim fanatics to thrive.


By crystal clear on 2/16/2010 10:13:51 PM , Rating: 2
Addition-

All muslims of African,middle eastern,Asian origins are/were economic migrants or those seeking political asylum.

They fled from their countries of origin to escape poverty/econmic hardship/sickness/possible death from their country's dictators.

They have NOT to forget their past ...its the genorosity of nations in the West that allowed them in.


Loophole?
By Artistotle on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Loophole?
By 306maxi on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Loophole?
By lukasbradley on 2/16/2010 11:44:15 AM , Rating: 2
Did we all know that? I didn't know that...


RE: Loophole?
By ats on 2/16/2010 12:34:20 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, but how often is a proper pat down done and how is a proper pat down NOT more invasive than the scanner.

A proper pat down REQUIRES immodesty to put the hands EVERYWHERE and apply both pressure and rubbing motion. Literally, a proper pat down requires things like running the hand up or down the butt crack and doing everything but giving a hand job. You are not going to see TSA employees giving a proper pat down. Making the people strip is less invasive!

A scanner is much better than a bad pat down and that is all most pat downs are.


RE: Loophole?
By nafhan on 2/16/2010 1:15:08 PM , Rating: 2
The problem is that the scanner is better than an improper patdown, which unfortunately happens quite often when a patdown is requested.


RE: Loophole?
By MozeeToby on 2/16/2010 11:37:24 AM , Rating: 2
Lack of proper medical care for Muslim women has been a problem for quite some time now, especially reproductive health. I seem to remember some loopholes that various muslim scholars have tried to implement to get around the restrictions, but there is a huge population that gets little if any professional medical care because they can't be seen by a man outside of their family.


RE: Loophole?
By retrospooty on 2/16/2010 11:43:56 AM , Rating: 5
If it violates your religious laws, then don't fly. Simple as that. No-one is forcing you to get on a plane. Take a bus or a boat.


RE: Loophole?
By Vagisil on 2/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Loophole?
By akse on 2/16/2010 2:29:40 PM , Rating: 4
Exactly, ofc they think it's against the law when it harms their operations.


RE: Loophole?
By eraser1 on 2/16/2010 1:18:54 PM , Rating: 3
Muslims don't use public showers.
You can use same gender doctor for medical purpose.


RE: Loophole?
By Yawgm0th on 2/16/2010 4:08:27 PM , Rating: 1
Not if women aren't allowed to be doctors or infrequently become doctors because of societal norms...


RE: Loophole?
By eraser1 on 2/17/2010 1:01:09 PM , Rating: 2
Where did you hear Muslim women are not allowed to be doctor? There are many muslim women doctors all around the world.


RE: Loophole?
By SoulBlighter on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Loophole?
By mattclary on 2/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Loophole?
By Artistotle on 2/16/2010 8:28:21 PM , Rating: 1
Maybe you should double check what I wrote before attacking me? I said

"the extremists that are following the qu'ran are the ones that are performing the majority of modern terrorist acts"

I wrote this very carefully and that is naive of you to consider it wrong. It's simple truth, it's not up for debate. The majority of terrorists DO pray to Allah, even if that is not "the true manifestation of alla's will".

I fail to see how islam is claimed to be such a peaceful religion and that only extremists themselves are at fault when the qu'ran preaches to wage a vicious war on any "infidel" non-believer.

Oh and I have read a book, called America Alone by Mark Steyn. Thanks.


RE: Loophole?
By Ranari on 2/16/2010 1:39:00 PM , Rating: 5
How does this violate people's privacy anyways? Seriously, let's be practical here. There are over 6.5 billion people on the planet, and everybody pretty much looks the same with their clothes off. Some are fatter, or thinner, or prettier than others, but let's face it, the human body is the same no matter where we go. So, how does an airport security feature violate my privacy when it tells me NOTHING about what I do, who I am, what I buy, or my medical history? Can someone answer that?

Oh wait, it doesn't.

I know this is going to sound harsh, but I could really care less what Muslims think of this airport policy. It ain't Buddhists that are bombing innocent people to hell and back on a misguided attempt to get laid.

Oh wait, did I say that?

Yup.


RE: Loophole?
By hsauqs on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Loophole?
By cmdrdredd on 2/16/2010 7:39:34 PM , Rating: 2
Want a loophole? Here's one. Why did the guy in Detroit put the explosive near his privates? Simply because these scanners BLUR OUT the private parts. So if you have a bomb strapped to your wang it won't show up anyway.


RE: Loophole?
By walk2k on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
Big Suprise
By Suntan on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Big Suprise
By kerbouchard on 2/16/2010 11:50:40 AM , Rating: 2
At least in the US we have separation of church and state. which means that churches shall not dictate policy, nor hold high positions in government. So, they can make all the noise they want, it shouldn't affect policy unless government let's them. The safety of the passengers should come before someone's 'privilege-to-fly' being stepped on. Seems strange that they're more worried about someone seeing them in a scanner than someone being able to get a bomb, or other weapon, on board an airplane...


RE: Big Suprise
By Suntan on 2/16/2010 11:58:03 AM , Rating: 5
Sorry, but in this day, America has the “Law of Political Correctness” which trumps church *and* state.

In short, local congressmen will bend over backwards to get something like this yanked back out of their local airport if any minority interest group can manage to get a news crew with a camera out to make a stink out of it.

-Suntan


RE: Big Suprise
By kattanna on 2/16/2010 12:04:50 PM , Rating: 5
exactly. just like how 1 parent can complain about some book being "offensive" to them and it gets yanked for all.


RE: Big Suprise
By Ammohunt on 2/16/2010 2:10:37 PM , Rating: 5
Or no PBJ's for your kds lunch becasue one kid has a peanut alergy.


RE: Big Suprise
By racostatorres on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Big Suprise
By Ammohunt on 2/16/2010 3:32:37 PM , Rating: 5
The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few or the one. Even retarded kids are isolated from the general population in schools why not have a smaller lunch room to accomidate kids with allergies rather that punish the rest?


RE: Big Suprise
By Gul Westfale on 2/16/2010 6:01:06 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few or the one.


except in america, where one fat kid outweighs many many small ones.


RE: Big Suprise
By plimogs on 2/16/2010 8:02:45 PM , Rating: 5
Dude, in America nowadays, they're pretty much all fat.


RE: Big Suprise
By RandallMoore on 2/17/10, Rating: -1
RE: Big Suprise
By icrf on 2/17/2010 8:48:53 AM , Rating: 4
"The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak." — Robert Heinlein "The Man Who Sold the Moon"


RE: Big Suprise
By Camikazi on 2/16/2010 3:58:49 PM , Rating: 5
If the kid with the allergy is not smart enough to make sure there are no killer items in a lunch he got from someone else, then well natural selection. The world should not get rid of something cause a few can't have it, the few should make sure not to kill themselves by being stupid.


RE: Big Suprise
By Sazar on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Big Suprise
By Kurz on 2/16/2010 5:32:54 PM , Rating: 3
Well just like the stove once a kid puts his hand on a stove once he usually wont do it again.


RE: Big Suprise
By sigmatau on 2/16/2010 7:42:40 PM , Rating: 2
Do you even know what a peanut allergy does to a kid? I doubt he will have a second chance like a hot stove.


RE: Big Suprise
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 2/17/2010 9:02:29 AM , Rating: 5
and if the kid does not know what a peanut allergy will do to him, then bad parents and maybe they should go to jail. However, never a reason to stop others from enjoying a peanut. Take some responsibility for your own actions for a change.


RE: Big Suprise
By Sazar on 2/19/2010 4:23:45 PM , Rating: 2
Well I see that my sarcasm completely passed everyone by :)

But I can't remember myself or any other kids when we were in grade-school knowing a lick about allergies or even caring about what we ate, as long as it tasted great.

Parents can tell kids all they want, but kids are not automaton's.

Completely agree about taking responsibility, but it is very tricky with young kids.


RE: Big Suprise
By cmdrdredd on 2/16/2010 7:34:44 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The world should not get rid of something cause a few can't have it


Best thing I've read in a long time. Just because you don't like alcohol and want to be dry, doesn't mean my buddies and I can't have a beer while watching the game. I can afford to drive a Corvette, I don't owe anyone anything because of that and what makes someone say that because it's a "gas guzzler" I can't drive it and have to pay some ridiculous tax because the people down the street don't work and have 6 kids? That's not my fault, they made their choices. I made better ones and I deserve to be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor.


RE: Big Suprise
By MisterMystery on 2/17/2010 2:12:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
the few should make sure not to kill themselves by being stupid.

Ahahaha.
Well said.
My favorite part is your screen name.
Ironic.


RE: Big Suprise
By mead drinker on 2/16/2010 5:44:57 PM , Rating: 5
I am sorry but your assertion is not only asinine, it affirms the sensationalist extents which individuals employ attempting to logically justify their positions. Using "child's best friend" and "death" in the same sentence doesn't refute any point and is not constructive.

Speaking from mild experience, my cousin, 13 years the younger, has had a severe food allergy his entire life. It makes your example of a peanut allergy petty. He is highly allergic to any product containing eggs, milk, berries, pork, and beef. Not only is he allergic to these items if he ingests them but if some, such as milk, merely touch him the reaction is so severe it inhibits his breathing and could possibly die from airway constriction. He is now 14 years old and is conscious of his condition and was so at a very young age. You would be surprised to know how mature a 5 year old child is when he is responsible for his own well being. He was never babied nor look after by his teachers in school aside from informing them of his condition. This is my cousin and I not only understand that he is the exception but agree that no extraneous measures should be put in place for him. The only caveat is that he must always carry an EpiPen. Despite him living in an environment with an inherent danger he still manages to function and extract enjoyment from it, knowing full well that rules will not be made for the exception. And that is the point.

People need to evaluate what is important to them and act accordingly. If certain Muslims feel that their religious rights are violated in light of the safety of others then they themselves have made the choice not to fly. The problem being that great majority of the world's people are Muslim and money rules everything.


RE: Big Suprise
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 2/17/2010 9:13:08 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry for your cousin. Not much on his menu, but a perfect example. He has to deal with it and learned very fast what was good and bad.

There are a large number of Muslims... However, they are not the great majority. Christians still out number them... the problem is Christians are broken down into types of Christians verse Muslims themselves all as one. So, you will have Muslim verse number of Roman Catholic, or Muslim verse Mormon, or Muslim verse Baptist, and so on.


RE: Big Suprise
By kyleb2112 on 2/16/2010 6:21:17 PM , Rating: 5
My sister is deathly allergic to bees. So I suppose we should be demanding schools rip out all landscaping instead of just telling her avoid flowers.
There's a name for people like that: Dicks.


RE: Big Suprise
By christojojo on 2/16/2010 9:13:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
America has the “Law of Political Correctness” which trumps church *and* state.


You mean law of political convenience. The PC is no longer used to level supposedly "unfair" playing fields but rather used for assassination and the removal of players easily. It is censorship through and through for political gain. Admittedly it backfires once in a while but it is amazing how the force in power at the time rare gets embarrassed for long.


RE: Big Suprise
By alphadog on 2/17/2010 7:44:12 AM , Rating: 1
It's not the "Law Of Politcial Correctness", it's the fear anyone and everyone has a society that sues at the drop of a hat.

The "peanut thing" lower in this thread is not an example of a school thinking of the few over the many , like the Limbaugites immediately reach for, it's because a school doesn't want to be sued by a parent who's kid just died.


RE: Big Suprise
By knutjb on 2/16/2010 7:29:45 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
At least in the US we have separation of church and state. which means that churches shall not dictate policy, nor hold high positions in government.
You have NO understanding of the Constitution. Nowhere does it say churches shall not dictate policy. It DOES say that the government can't tell what religion you are going to follow, that's it. And how can a church hold a high position in government? Nowhere does it say a minister, priest, rabbi, imam, etc... can't hold a position in government. Be careful of arbitrary interpretations.

Since schools aren't teaching this correctly try reading the source document: http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html


RE: Big Suprise
By cmdrdredd on 2/16/2010 7:42:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You have NO understanding of the Constitution. Nowhere does it say churches shall not dictate policy. It DOES say that the government can't tell what religion you are going to follow, that's it. And how can a church hold a high position in government? Nowhere does it say a minister, priest, rabbi, imam, etc... can't hold a position in government. Be careful of arbitrary interpretations.


Oh man...I can't believe you're serious.

He was obviously talking about any religious group being the official governing body and dictating policy. For example, we don't have the Iolatola(spelling)like Iran or any form or pope as the head of the country. No religious group, sect, or body dictates how we function as a nation. end of discussion


RE: Big Suprise
By Calin on 2/17/2010 2:21:10 AM , Rating: 5
You should be more worried that for the 40 (or so) terrorists that flew in Sept 11 incident, probably half a billion travellers were forced thru pat-downs, X-rays, metal detectors, and so on (and some of those detectors were even giving false positives).
What about the bombs in Spain? One should be forced to go thru pat-downs, X-rays, metal detectors and so on even before boarding a train? A subway? A bus? Should your car be checked for hazardous fluids when entering a city?
As for Islam... what about the Oklahoma bomber? What about the sarin gas attack in Tokyo? What about all the Irish Republican Army incidents?

Remember that Islam is NOT Al-Qaida (or whatever it's spelled) just as Christianity is not Auschwitz, or Dresden fire bombing, or Hiroshima/Nagasaki, or whatever.


RE: Big Suprise
By safcman84 on 2/17/2010 5:47:05 AM , Rating: 5
You say that as though religion has no influence in the USA.

Half of Bush juniors decision were based on the influence of a religious faith.

<sarcasm>
but I suppose its ok, as long as its Christian fundamentalists making the decisions and not Muslim...... </sarcasm>


RE: Big Suprise
By TrojanCentaur on 2/18/2010 6:22:43 PM , Rating: 2
Excuse me while I laugh in amusement. Seperation of Church and State in America? Please.

There's THOUSANDS of examples out there how America on a daily basis continues to abuse this. For example, give me a good, non-religous reason as to why Gay Marriage is still illegal?

Trust me, if it was Christians raising a stink about this, there'd be results. I don't believe you for a second there when you say religion can't affect government policy.

TC


RE: Big Suprise
By FITCamaro on 2/16/2010 12:36:27 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah they can suck my balls. All I want is assurance that images will not be saved and that those monitoring said machines have proper background checks.


RE: Big Suprise
By MamiyaOtaru on 2/16/2010 1:05:31 PM , Rating: 5
well and good for you to have them deleted, but I know all the TSA people at my airport. It's not that I happen to have met them all, it's that we all live in the same small town. I wouldn't be too excited to have people I see frequently checking out my scans


RE: Big Suprise
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 2/16/2010 2:39:48 PM , Rating: 1
right... they will say that images will not be or can not be saved and proper background checks are run. However, there are always cracks in the system, and bad things will happen. The best I can figure is you have males on one scan and females on another, the agents would be in different rooms so they can not see passengers nor each others screen(male for male, female for female). Of course they would have to be straight (not homosexual - which will raise other issues), otherwise what is the point in different agents. So, when all is said and done, I think it will be a major pain in the a**


RE: Big Suprise
By alphadog on 2/17/2010 7:47:06 AM , Rating: 2
So, some man who sees balls day-in, day-out sees your balls. Whopeeedooo! How insecure are you?


RE: Big Suprise
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 2/17/2010 8:56:18 AM , Rating: 3
I'm not insecure at all... However, you are missing the point that many are try to make. They do not like the idea that others maybe viewing and recording and such. I would also and you are not thinking very much about this... I could careless about being viewed naked, but I not big on the idea of kids going through this machine, now add in the recording side... Now you have a black market. You forget, there are sickos out there and they will take advantage of tools like this no matter how well you "protect" the public.


RE: Big Suprise
By Dorkyman on 2/16/2010 3:55:43 PM , Rating: 2
FitCamaro: What tasteful, intelligent prose.

You might gain more credibility if you keep your sexual predilections private.


RE: Big Suprise
By SoulBlighter on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Big Suprise
By Ratinator on 2/16/2010 2:11:51 PM , Rating: 4
You obviously don't understand what the guy said. You are right. In no religion is it a given right to fly, but that was the point of the original post you just flamed.

Flying is a priviledge that comes with certain rules and regulations. Religion doesn't come into play here and thus the comment the original poster made. No where in the que'ran is it your given right to fly on a plane. Long story short, you have the choice to abide by the rules or not. Abide by them and you fly, choose not to and you take a bus. Don't bring religion into this as an excuse to get around the rules.


RE: Big Suprise
By RivuxGamma on 2/16/2010 4:15:26 PM , Rating: 2
Untrue. In the newly modified tenets of the Church of the Timecop, it is clearly stated that flying is, indeed, a right of all followers of Timecopology.


RE: Big Suprise
By mrteddyears on 2/17/2010 5:02:53 AM , Rating: 2
Hes right


RE: Big Suprise
By bangmal on 2/16/2010 4:21:39 PM , Rating: 2
You should educate yourself with some common sense before you open your mouth.

The law only states the violations, it is not an encyclopedia of what are allowed.

for example: the law does not state that you can't wank infront your computer screen, then it is your right to do so.


RE: Big Suprise
By Reclaimer77 on 2/16/2010 4:42:37 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah it really bothered me how Islam, the Religion of Peace, tollerates and even seems to apologize for radical Islamic terrorism. I mean, where is the outrage at how their faith is being raped and perverted ? Where was the public denouncing of 911 and other terrorists acts by 'official' Islamic spokesman ?

But NOW they speak out. And about what ? Making security weaker against members of their faith that they claim not to side with...


RE: Big Suprise
By KillerInTheRye on 2/16/2010 4:50:04 PM , Rating: 1
How do they get examined by a doctor if they cannot be naked in front of another man or woman? What do they do during child birth?


RE: Big Suprise
By KillerInTheRye on 2/16/2010 4:57:03 PM , Rating: 2
The guy in the top photo was stopped and scanned because of the obvious chip on his shoulder. Sorry, I couldn't help it.


RE: Big Suprise
By xspsi on 2/16/2010 5:34:45 PM , Rating: 2
In cases like this is permissible to be seen by another person of the 'same' sex.


RE: Big Suprise
By AlmostExAMD on 2/17/2010 6:08:57 AM , Rating: 2
Hmmm, Your on the ball.
I missed that one, Excellent point! :)
Most likely, They rewrite the holy book in order to accomodate modern times, Ohh wait a sec that's another religion.... sarcasm!


RE: Big Suprise
By TheSpaniard on 2/17/2010 8:27:44 AM , Rating: 2
There is no backlash and announcement because no imam who has that position of authority.

the heirarchy of islam is very short, it really goes

people -> imam -> god

so technically the imam who leads them is supposedly leading the terrorist groups is the only person qualified to denounce the attacks


RE: Big Suprise
By TrojanCentaur on 2/18/2010 6:29:45 PM , Rating: 2
Uhh, there was dude. Don't pretend the US media reports everything. Trust me, Muslim people, including so called 'representitives' have even gone so far as to say that the Taliban have no place in Muslim. They have spoken out, it's just not as great news as leading you all to hate hate hate!

Ratings are good, no? :P


RE: Big Suprise
By The0ne on 2/16/2010 5:53:36 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, it's only a matter of "time" before the Bible and related books get translated to include "modern" stuff. It already has throughout the centuries, what's to stop it from changing now :) You have leaders that interpret it already right, and tons of morons following blindly so who's to say :o


RE: Big Suprise
By Eislinger on 2/16/2010 6:12:53 PM , Rating: 2
I can see the church lady of Sat Night Live and one of the Muslims sitting on the couch saying hes opposed. An she saying " well isn't that special " , and fully supporting it! My response to them TUFF! Deal with it!


RE: Big Suprise
By ggordonliddy on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Big Suprise
By mrteddyears on 2/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Big Suprise
By jonmcc33 on 2/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Big Suprise
By camylarde on 2/18/2010 8:04:06 AM , Rating: 2
Totally agree, such coincidence... no scan, no fly. Easy. Fly Al-Quaeda Airlines if you like.

But only between tikrit and baghdad.


Being Muslim
By lickerish on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Being Muslim
By cmdrdredd on 2/16/2010 7:49:14 PM , Rating: 3
You make no point at all here. You rant and rave and then end in a "huh?" moment.

We bash those who are ignorant of the real world. Seems like you fall into that group. People in civilized society don't blow up children, don't hide in hospitals and attack people, don't preach to blowing up 1/3 of the world's population, don't teach children to kill people from another country, don't preach violence against people who have not shown them violence first, and above all don't sacrifice humanity for ridiculous religious ideology.


RE: Being Muslim
By Uncle on 2/16/2010 8:08:34 PM , Rating: 1
Going through a scanner: Wow, are you that well endowed or is that some C4 keeping your pecker warm.


RE: Being Muslim
By TheEinstein on 2/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Being Muslim
By Uncle on 2/17/2010 12:39:40 PM , Rating: 2
Have to agree. They leave their country of origin to come here and criticize our way of life and the way we do things. Try doing that in their country as an outsider or as a national and off goes your head. They come here and realize they never had it so good, so why not just SFU and live your life and let everyone live theirs. Follow our laws if you want to live here if not go back where you come from and make the changes in your own country that is more to your liking, without losing your head.


RE: Being Muslim
By suhailansari on 2/20/2010 8:13:38 AM , Rating: 1
i thought america was supposed to be a democracy and in democracy everybody has a right to dissent. like the KKK doesnt like black people, u do know they are christians. no religion is perfect there is always a group of a-holes who do this stuff and a group of a-holes who supports them. u have never been to pakistan have u? the people condemn these guys even more than you do, because they have to live under SHARIA law ... do u even know wat it like living under it...my point is that 99% of muslims condemn these guys.... but the thing is trying to negotiate with a guntrotting maniac... i will say good luck wid that...
and P.S. even american are terrorist .. your government killing innocent people in the middle east but the only difference is that they are in uniform so they are "all americal heroes"......i think most americans are in a way are fags....


Pat downs only work if you actually take a feel...
By bohrd on 2/16/10, Rating: -1
By MozeeToby on 2/16/2010 11:40:04 AM , Rating: 2
Please don't give them any ideas. A virtual strip search is bad enough, the last thing I want is some company starting developement on a virtual cavity search to compliment it.


By chagrinnin on 2/16/2010 8:03:18 PM , Rating: 2
Creasy : Do you know what this is? It’s a charger used by convicts to hide money and drugs they tuck it up their rectum. This is pencil detonator, timer, used as a receiver from the pager. This is C4 highly explosive; you put it all together you've got a bomb, not very sophisticated, but very powerful.
[whispers in his ear]
Creasy : That's what you have in your ass right now. Don't move! Don't move!


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