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The Flame smartphone comes with a 1.2GHz dual-core processor and 854×480 display

Mozilla is now taking pre-orders for its unlocked “Flame” smartphone, which runs the company’s Firefox OS. Flame is aimed squarely at developers and will be available globally.
“We worked with the manufacturer to keep the price as low as possible,” explained Mozilla when talking about the launch of Flame. “We’re excited that we are able to bring a high quality reference device to our developer community at an affordable price.”
That “affordable price” is $170 including free shipping from

The Flame is by no means a “specs monster” and is admittedly Mozilla’s vision of what a mid-tier smartphone running Firefox OS would look like. Keeping that in mind, the specs for the Flame are as follows:
  • 1.2GHz, dual-core Qualcomm MSM8210 Snapdragon processor
  • 4.5” screen (FWVGA 854×480)
  • Cameras (F/R): 5MP with auto-focus and flash / 2MP
  • Frequency: GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz
  • UMTS 850/900/1900/2100MHz
  • 8GB memory, MicroSD slot
  • 256MB – 1GB RAM (adjustable by developer)
  • A-GPS, NFC
  • Dual SIM Support
  • Battery capacity: 1,800 mAh
  • Wireless: 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth 3.0 
While pre-orders for the Flame are now open, we surely hope that you aren’t in any hurry to get the smartphone. Mozilla says that it will take four weeks for the devices to ship.

Source: Mozilla

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Why does it have that logo on the back?
By stm1185 on 5/28/2014 3:38:33 PM , Rating: 1
If they couldn't be bothered to actually create a decent image to sell their brand, why use a crap one?

By Mitch101 on 5/28/2014 3:42:50 PM , Rating: 5
They can make much more money selling you the Firefox girl protective case separately.

By chµck on 5/28/2014 3:52:03 PM , Rating: 2
It's a reference device for developers, not the masses.

By Moishe on 6/3/2014 9:39:19 AM , Rating: 2
You don't know what a reference device is. It's sort of a test run for people who may be interested in developing. It's a dev platform, not a retail product.

By kamiller422 on 5/30/2014 1:27:16 AM , Rating: 1
Every time I browse a page with information on proposition 8, the phone automatically shuts down. It keeps pushing me away from using it.

Expect a lawsuit
By cknobman on 5/28/14, Rating: -1
RE: Expect a lawsuit
By Flunk on 5/28/2014 2:34:43 PM , Rating: 2
Firefox is about feature comparable to iOS version 1 so it's not surprising.

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By Mitch101 on 5/28/2014 3:39:59 PM , Rating: 2
It has to start somewhere and its $170.00. Its specs are also higher than my first Windows Phone and that was buttery smooth till I decided I wanted a better camera and audio and upgraded.

The more I think about the most used apps on my phone can be supplemented by a good internet connection and a good mobile website layout. Internet connection is required anyhow for the app so Weather, Movies/Theater times, Traffic, Maps, E-mail can all be web based and not require a specialized app. Ok Maps would be an app but you could get by using your preferred website for directions.

In a way it kind of says that apps may be overrated especially the ones that are just GUI's to a website.

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By Gondor on 5/29/2014 6:11:11 AM , Rating: 2
Actually there are some FirefoxOS phones on the market alerady ... Sporting similar specs, but way better price.

Actually sold via eBay for US$ 99 (85 EUR in Europe, unlike the ubiquitous 1:1 exchange rate hike).

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By Samus on 5/29/2014 1:29:17 PM , Rating: 4
I agree, the specs are irrelevant to the experience or performance of the device. The smoothest UI I've ever used was WebOS on a single-core Palm Pre. My next Palm, the HP Veer, had a dual core but didn't feel any smoother or faster, and reviews/benchmarks proved virtually no difference as WebOS was already heavily optimized.

Which brings me to my point. Quad Core 2.4GHZ CPU's in phones are there to allow for sloppy coding. Android is a memory and CPU thrasher, and is rarely optimized for the hardware its runs. In fact OEM ROMS are typically much larger than the 450MB Nexus 4.4 ROM. Most 3rd party ROMS stripe on average 50+ services without affecting the overall functionality of the device. 3rd party roms are typically half the size of OEM ROMs and still a hundred megabytes less than a Nexus ROM, accounting for Google Apps overhead.

iOS has bloated up faster than even Android. Android 4.4, currently around 500MB, is still 600MB shy of iOS 7.1, which only excuse for being so much larger is its 64-bit compilation. Even still, typical operating systems only grow 10-15% in size between 32\64-bit counterparts.

The real laugh here is Windows Phone 8.1, which is in traditional Windows fashion, huge. 2.3GB for the preview with a few hundred MB of XAP's. Then you need to account for a few partitions for booting (100MB each) and a crash dump/swap partition that is equal in size to the OS partition (another 2.3GB which goes in user NAND) so by the time your done a 16GB phone has about 9GB of user capacity left. This is why 8GB ROM Windows 7/8 Phones can't run Windows 8.1, because they'd have <1GB of capacity left to store anything.

I think smartphones need to get simpler and less complex from a hardware perspective. I don't see people willing to spend $600-$700 on non-iPhones for much longer. The market is just oversaturated with high end phones that quickly becomes outdated, allowing developers and OS authors to be sloppier and sloppier with the code, making low-end or older devices artificially underperform.

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By Reclaimer77 on 5/29/14, Rating: 0
RE: Expect a lawsuit
By bug77 on 5/31/2014 6:00:52 PM , Rating: 2
ARM has no foundries. And at least in one case (Mediatek), the chipset maker has admitted they added more cores because that's what the market (in China) is looking for.
Think about it, besides synthetic benchmarks, have you ever seen anything running faster on a quad-core chip? usually when I pop this question, the answer is "no, but you need more cores to run more things simultaneously". Which is bull, because you're never playing a game while running background H264 encoding. Background tasks in Android are light (e.g. data sync or network monitoring). See here:

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By Manch on 5/28/2014 3:40:52 PM , Rating: 1
Dude, the phone is aimed at developers. Its so we can learn the OS. Doesnt need to be a spec monster.

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By Reclaimer77 on 5/28/2014 4:07:37 PM , Rating: 2
How useful is this for developers though? It has one gig of RAM and a 480p screen. I seriously doubt developers are going to be aiming for those benchmarks.

However I know NOTHING about Firefox OS. So maybe that doesn't matter? Like apps automatically scale based on res and RAM size?

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By quiksilvr on 5/28/2014 4:22:20 PM , Rating: 2
I would assume built in scaling is a common feature among all platforms.

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By Manch on 5/28/2014 6:09:52 PM , Rating: 2
Most apps dont chew up that much memory. The idea is to get a cheap phone into the hands of developers so they can familiarize themselves with it. Yeah they could release a highend phone with all the bells and whistles but as a developer I dont want to fork out that kind of cash for a dev kit with as of right now zero user base. Something that runs the OS well enough and is cheap enough to get me to look is actually a great approach

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By wordsworm on 5/29/2014 12:09:06 AM , Rating: 2
If I can find a cell phone with an answering machine, I'll buy it.

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By wordsworm on 5/29/2014 12:10:54 AM , Rating: 2
Actually... I'm hoping Ubuntu can put a phone OS on the market. I have the feeling that it'll be closer to what I expect from a smartphone OS.

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By Reclaimer77 on 5/29/2014 9:19:39 AM , Rating: 2
That's, in a word, dumb.

Why bother with an Ubuntu OS when Android is already based on the Linux kernel, can be forked and modified so you can do whatever you want to it, and (this is the most important) already has a thriving app and services ecosystem available to users?

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By wordsworm on 5/30/2014 3:02:30 PM , Rating: 2
I said before I want a phone that I can have an answering machine on. Apparently that's hard to do on an Android phone, and impossible on an iPhone or Windows phone. It has something to do with security measures against apps taking over the phone. This is hearsay, and I am not qualified to say if it's an accurate opinion. Surely that would be easier with a Ubuntu phone since that is a much more open platform. I don't know what to expect from a Firefox phone, but it does look like an interesting toy.

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By drycrust3 on 5/28/2014 4:16:50 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly! Firefox needs to have apps in the application library otherwise, everything else being more or less equal, it will mostly only get novice users.

RE: Expect a lawsuit
By p05esto on 5/28/14, Rating: -1
"Intel is investing heavily (think gazillions of dollars and bazillions of engineering man hours) in resources to create an Intel host controllers spec in order to speed time to market of the USB 3.0 technology." -- Intel blogger Nick Knupffer

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