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The good folks and are hard at work

Hot on the heels of its much-downloaded Firefox 3.5 release, Mozilla is back at it again with newly released screenshots of the proposed themes for Firefox 3.7.  Listed as a draft, the page depicts mockups of the Windows Vista/7 Aero/Without Aero themes and themes for Windows XP.

The browser will look very pretty if the mockup holds true.  With Aero enabled the buttons will be translucent and have small shadows, giving them a 3D look.  The window frame and tabs have the distinctive "glass" look from Aero.  The page and tools buttons have also been moved to logical locations.

For Vista/Windows 7 users not using Aero, you'll still get the button rearrangement and the new 3D button look.  For Windows XP you get slightly improved buttons and four new colorized frames, proof that Mozilla wants to show XP users a little love too.

As the old saying goes, looks aren't everything, but Firefox's upcoming improvements in 3.7 certainly won't hurt its status as the most popular third-party browser.  Mozilla has also been hard at work patching bugs for the release and adding other minor tweaks. 

Firefox 3.7 is also reportedly going to available in 64-bit form, hopefully with the extensions system fixed (user created 64-bit mods exist, but they break Firefox's extensions).

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64 bit....
By AEvangel on 7/21/2009 11:55:57 AM , Rating: 5
I would just like to get some 64 bit Flash Support.

RE: 64 bit....
By Etsp on 7/21/2009 12:08:33 PM , Rating: 2
Then use the proper avenues for a product enhancement request:

Sadly, the Firefox team isn't allowed to develop a 64 bit flash player.

RE: 64 bit....
By Thev00d00 on 7/21/09, Rating: 0
RE: 64 bit....
By peterSK on 7/21/09, Rating: 0
RE: 64 bit....
By NARC4457 on 7/21/2009 3:33:35 PM , Rating: 4
For god's sake, why is this farking add-on spamming all the boards? Ban this mother fer

RE: 64 bit....
By MrBlastman on 7/21/2009 12:26:34 PM , Rating: 5
Unfortunately, I fear that adobe's bug inbox is probably packed so full that it will take a millennium for them to sort through it...

Just a hunch. ;)

RE: 64 bit....
By Ralos on 7/21/2009 12:54:29 PM , Rating: 2
A 64bits Flash "bug report" will probably be drowned in the mass of other bug/request until they deliver Flash for iPhone. Until then...

Last I heard (February), Adobe admitted that it was on to them to make that work, so don't hold your breath yet.

RE: 64 bit....
By Quake on 7/21/2009 12:18:35 PM , Rating: 2
Weirdly, Adobe released a 64 bit version flash for Linux and not Windows.

RE: 64 bit....
By adiposity on 7/21/2009 2:47:05 PM , Rating: 2
Since full source is available for Linux, it's quite easy to run in 64bit (just compile that way). They don't have to provide backwards binary compatibility.

Considering this, if you are going to provide precompiled binaries for Linux, you must compile binaries that work on the various builds of Linux, including 64 bit.

On the other hand, no such requirement exists for Windows. A 32-bit binary will work just fine.


RE: 64 bit....
By smitty3268 on 7/21/2009 8:57:09 PM , Rating: 3
It's not that weird. It's still in beta, and they chose to test that code on linux first rather than Windows or Mac for 3 reasons:

1. Linux users actually need it so far, since they're the only platform that is shipping with native 64-bit browsers being commonly used. The others are still waiting on Adobe to go first.

2. Linux users are the ones who have been complaining about it most loudly, because of reason 1.

3. Adobe doesn't care whether it breaks for Linux users, so they make ideal testers.

Most of the 64 bit changes they have to make are in the cross-platform part of the code, so testing it out on Linux first will help their Windows release go more smoothly.

RE: 64 bit....
By mmntech on 7/21/2009 12:31:59 PM , Rating: 2
[sarcasm]I thought that whole 64-bit thing was just a fad. I mean, it's never going to last so why would Adobe develop it.[/sarcasm]

RE: 64 bit....
By Lerianis on 7/22/2009 11:23:45 AM , Rating: 2
Good sarcasm there. We all KNEW that 64-bit was going to come out sooner or later (sooner than later) because of the 32-bit limits on addressable memory.

Personally, I am GLAD that it has. All but a EXTREMELY FEW of my x86 applications LOVE 64-bit.... they use less memory and are faster in 64-bit than in 32-bit for some reason.

RE: 64 bit....
By jvillaro on 7/21/2009 8:53:03 PM , Rating: 2
First they have to fix the 32bit pluggin... and make it more secure

RE: 64 bit....
By chick0n on 7/25/2009 5:33:36 PM , Rating: 1
Like that day will come.

Adobe can't code for shitz ... look at how garbage their CS suit code is ... sheesh.

Stop using Generic libraries stupid people ... I guess people knows graphics just cant code anything right ...

By Smilin on 7/21/2009 4:22:24 PM , Rating: 2
Meh, looks like IE 8 to me.

Some fanboi will mod me to oblivion I'm sure but that's my honest opinion.

RE: Meh.
By bunnyfubbles on 7/22/2009 2:44:15 AM , Rating: 5
Only way this resembles IE8 (or even 7 for that matter) is lack of cluttered/rarely used menu bar and the extended use of translucency with Aero...of which it actually one-ups IE by extending that to the tabs, leaving only the current tab as 100% opaque/visible. Also, as usual, this design is cleaner and less cluttered than IE.

I think your comment was very knee-jerk, as I really think it retains a very distinct FF look.

RE: Meh.
By Belard on 7/22/2009 7:16:56 AM , Rating: 2
IE 7/8 is the most cluttered mess of any browser. Its bad design was so odd they had to make the menu bar ON as default... and then its in the WRONG place.

Look at the pic from here (or on your screen):

Row 1 = Window/Title Bar
Row 2 = BACK/FORWARD buttons / URL Address window(Long) / Reload / Stop (buttons) / Search Window
Row 3 = Menu Bar :(HUH?)
Row 4 = Tool Bar : Favs / Add Favs / Fav Links Bar
Row 5 = TAB Bar : Tab List / Tabs / Menu Section of 8+ items

Now... looking at the pic above or your IE8 browser. A huge chunk of your TAB bar is taken away Menu area. On a 1280 wide screen, that is 5 normal size tabs. On Opera 10, you can get 7. Of course these tabs get smaller as you add more.

And if you get a few extra tool bars like Yahoo and Google... they tend to get suck under the menu bar.

With Opera, a COOL feature I just used... is that you can PULL tabs off to create a new window. So I can see the link above with the screen shot of IE8 - I just gabbed the tab and moved it to my desktop. IE8 does nothing. FF saves it as a HTML file.

Opera is smarter with its layout.
Row 1 = Window/Title Bar
Row 2 = Menu Bar
Row 3 = TAB Bar: Panel button/ Tabs / Add & close Tabs
Row 4 = NAV / URL Bar : << >> / Refresh buttons/ URL / Search

The TAB buttons merge into the address bar so its like they are "connected" - making it far visually easier to see which TAB you're viewing / typing the URL is related to.

Opera, you can preview a tab at a time (mouse over) or pull down the whole tab bar to SEE all your tab thumbnails. FF 3.5 has no preview mode.

I would have thought IE would have made some actual improvements over 7. In reality, its more like IE 7.2. IE 3~5 didn't really chance much either. Like stick the 2nd menu items (on the tab bar) up with the normal menu bar, but on the right side.

FireFox 3.5:
Row 1 = Window/Title Bar
Row 2 = Menu Bar
Row 3 = NAV / URL Bar : << >> / Refresh buttons/ URL / Search
Row 4 = Bookmarks bar : Bookmark links (wasted space)
Row 5 = TAB Bar: Tabs / Add / Tab Selector.

Cleaner than IE8, looks better too. Still a bit of a disconnect with the URL & TABs. Lack of preview modes.

FF3.7 is moving in the right direction while retaining its FF style.

RE: Meh.
By fownde on 7/22/2009 10:20:38 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, FF 3.5 does allow you to drag tabs out into new windows. I accidentally did this the other day, but it's been really handy to use.

RE: Meh.
By Belard on 7/23/2009 12:33:41 AM , Rating: 2

Between the time I started typing this and I finished, I had updated to FF3.5.


Very handy, eh?! :)

RE: Meh.
By Smilin on 7/22/2009 10:49:27 AM , Rating: 2
LOL at your auto-fail argument.

If you are going to make your argument by posting a screenshot of a cluttered mess you need to first make sure that I'm not viewing your remarks in the same web browser without the cluttered mess.

Why on earth would you do that to your web browser? Mine looks nothing like yours.

RE: Meh.
By Belard on 7/23/2009 12:38:15 AM , Rating: 2
I included a link to a screenshot of a default configured IE8 browser. Its the mess that people are introduced to. Of course hitting F11 cleans things up.

RE: Meh.
By Smilin on 7/23/2009 11:58:08 AM , Rating: 2
No, you did not include a link to a screenshot of a default configured IE8 browser. You added the menu bar to bolster your argument about a cluttered display.

The default configuration is cleaner and you can modify the configuration to make it cleaner still. For example I have:

1. Title bar
2. Fwd/back, address, search
3. Favorites, tabs, a few icons (the rest are collapsed)

Three lines total. All the rest is webpage. This configuration is nearly identical to the mockups shown in the article...which is why I said it looks like IE8 to me.

RE: Meh.
By Belard on 7/24/2009 8:09:20 AM , Rating: 2
You installed IE8 on top of your IE7 and it retained its settings, so you didn't get the menu bar.

The default config of IE8 (clean install) or as it is on Win7 is that the MENU BAR is active.

So how you put your TABS bar on the same row as your Favs?

A better layout of IE is to move the command bar (The one with the little icons on the right side) to the same one as Favorites - that should be default and allow for a cleaner TAB area.

I found the best link I could for the amount of time I as willing to spend. Its NOT a screenshot from MY computers. My argument still stands AFAIK. If MS wants to MAKE IE cleaner, Dump the Favs bar and stick the Command bar into the same row as the menu bar... but to a big degree, they're redundant - but in reality, IE8 has two menu bars. The HOME and MAIL buttons should be put on the Address/NAV bar where they belong and the rest of the command Items added to the Menu bar or omitted (some items are duplicated).

It doesn't matter much to me anyways... I use a better browser that is more fun to use, far more user configurable (There are hundreds of skins to choose from) and I can ADD or remove everything in Opera, other than the menu bar.

Just being a critic. :)

RE: Meh.
By Smilin on 7/22/2009 11:13:01 AM , Rating: 2
It wasn't knee jerk.

However, based on the response below (the one with the screenshot) I can see why someone might disagree.

I'm running my IE8 in such a way that it's nearly identical to the mozilla screenshots. I've just got the application title bar, the bar with address and fwd/back buttons, then a bar that has all my tabs.

The mozilla shots shown in this article look no cleaner or less cluttered than what I'm running. I'm really not configured to differently than the defaults either.

What about task bar tab previews
By bupkus on 7/21/2009 2:54:31 PM , Rating: 2
There's one feature in IE/Windows 7 that I really like. If you have multiple tabs in a single browser window you can preview those pages by hovering the cursor over the task bar icon. You can then move the cursor over those mini pop-up pages to view each page for each tab in full size.
Now I am in the habit of using tabs vs. multiple pages so I now want this additional feature.
Does this announcement mean I will get that?

RE: What about task bar tab previews
By MonkeyPaw on 7/21/2009 6:26:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I wonder when FF will support viewing multiple tabs from the taskbar like IE8 does in Win7. It's one of the only major features IE has over FF when Win7 launches. It looks like 3.7 finally offers the real Aero look, perhaps it will offer the taskbar tab-switching, too?

RE: What about task bar tab previews
By vapore0n on 7/22/2009 8:17:11 AM , Rating: 2
No please don't add this feature.

I don't want to accidentally hover over a tab and show everyone the porn I'm browsing.

Open up Chrome, shows latest visited sites, bam!, whole window filled with porn images. Uninstall Chrome.

RE: What about task bar tab previews
By Smilin on 7/22/09, Rating: 0
By darkxuy on 7/22/2009 10:51:03 AM , Rating: 2
You should try the incognito window, it was made just for that matter.

By Chiisuchianu on 7/21/2009 8:00:22 PM , Rating: 2
Almost perfect. Just get rid of the title bar and move tabs to the top.

RE: excellent
By mixpix on 7/22/2009 11:41:07 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed! lol

Chrome Looking Buttons
By konman795 on 7/21/2009 11:55:27 AM , Rating: 2
Those navigation buttons at the top left sure look a lot like the Chrome browser buttons. I like it :)

By ggordonliddy on 7/21/2009 8:59:37 PM , Rating: 2
The good folks and are hard at work

By saying "and" instead of "at" you are explicitly saying that is bad.

Looks more like Opera
By Belard on 7/22/2009 6:30:04 AM , Rating: 2
FF 3.7 Beta looks a bit like Opera 10(Beta) which is what I use. But good to see FF advancing as always... still has its odd-ball issues... It took till 3.5 to add a ADD TAB button on FF... sad.

Still, out of all them; I find Opera 10 being cleaner and it has a Menu bar (which I prefer). IE8 wastes a lot of space and its tab-bar is limted due to the many buttons that have nothing to do with TABS, on the tab bar.

If anyone wants to try Opera10 out:

Setup the Speed Dial and tab-preview modes. And the search box in the top right, if set to FIND ON PAGE - will find words on the page as you type... very cool.

All Glass v2.0
By 13Gigatons on 7/22/2009 7:03:00 AM , Rating: 2
Using all glass v2.0 with Firefox 3.5 and it works great.

I Like It
By mixpix on 7/22/2009 11:39:52 PM , Rating: 2
I really like it. I just hope the guy/guys that put together that Chrome skin for 3.5, update it for 3.7. I would love that!

By DuctTapeAvenger on 7/21/2009 1:31:20 PM , Rating: 1
Firefox sure has nice....buttons.

This is what I hate about open source community
By XZerg on 7/21/09, Rating: -1
By omnicronx on 7/21/2009 12:41:20 PM , Rating: 2
I don't even know what you are talking about, this is just a mock up. They do have milestones too if you actually follow development. Their last was release was 3.5 and it took a hell of a lot longer than 3 months to complete. They have not reached 3.7 yet, as the latest nightly alpha build of 3.6.* shows.

RE: This is what I hate about open source community
By bersl2 on 7/21/2009 4:04:48 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry that you don't understand that "release early, release often" has benefits.

By Chocobollz on 7/28/2009 3:18:01 AM , Rating: 2
What's the benefits? Everything has diminishing returns, even money. For example, yes having a lot of money is good but if it's too much? And regarding your statement, "release early, release often", what if they decided to release it every 1 second, do you seriously think it's good? :-/

Address bar above tabs...
By Fireshade on 7/21/09, Rating: -1
RE: Address bar above tabs...
By omnicronx on 7/21/2009 12:49:58 PM , Rating: 5
I like it how it is, as I find I use the tabs more. I don't like with chrome that I have to go to the top of the page to close a tab or to open a new one. Not to mention I often click out of the browser completely when it is not in a maximized state. If you use tabs a lot, chances are you are pressing tab buttons more than you are using the address bar, especially since Firefox has a separate search tab. It somewhat makes sense with chrome as it is the search bar and as such you are more likely to use it.

RE: Address bar above tabs...
By Blight AC on 7/21/2009 4:01:41 PM , Rating: 4
Yeah, I like my Tabs below the address bar too.

It's kinda funny, I have my Firefox setup pretty much exactly as shown, the only exceptions is my "File Edit View..." menu's are between the "Back Forward Stop Refresh" buttons, and the Address Bar. The Compact Tools menu will be a nice addition to save a lot of room from a full "File Edit View..." menu. I've had it setup this way since Firefox 2.

The current screenshots show a ton of wasted horizontal space in the toolbar. I'd prefer if they took out all of that extra space between the rows, you could have about 10 more horizontal pixels worth that could be used to show actual web page instead of toolbar... after all, aren't browsers designed to display web pages and not toolbars?

I'm still peeved that my browsers have a title Bar, as that's another waste of horizontal pixels and could easily be combined into a reasonable two rows instead of 3, by combining the title bar into the navigation bar, and moving some elements, like the search bar onto the tab bar so it all fits nicely.

RE: Address bar above tabs...
By Smilin on 7/22/2009 2:28:06 PM , Rating: 2
There is always F-11 to make it super clean.

bout time
By invidious on 7/21/09, Rating: -1
RE: bout time
By omnicronx on 7/21/2009 12:38:04 PM , Rating: 5
The browser is completely sinkable and has more skins than pretty much any browser. Perhaps the reason you don't like it, is your neglect to do the proper research before making your decision =P.

RE: bout time
By ertomas on 7/21/2009 2:17:57 PM , Rating: 4
The browser is completely sinkable

I too sink it every now and then ;)

RE: bout time
By chris2618 on 7/21/2009 12:44:40 PM , Rating: 1
"Their complete neglect towards design and style has been a major reason why I haven't liked the browser."

Goes to show how self absorbed you must be to but a browser down because it doesn't look good.

RE: bout time
By smackababy on 7/21/2009 3:26:09 PM , Rating: 3
Sounds like an Apple user to me. "Oh this one sure gives a lot of bang for my buck, but doesn't look nearly as good as the Apple."

RE: bout time
By mixpix on 7/22/2009 11:59:06 PM , Rating: 2
Oh come on, UI design should be done well. It helps with usability and flow.

I get frustrated using websites that are overly complex to navigate and use for no reason (government sites, large websites with a billion sections and areas, etc.)

Something as simple as an ATM machine, gas pump or library database could cause a bad user experience just because the UI is crap.

Don't just blindly bash Apple because they're an easy target. People like something that is easy/easier to use. Apple actually has the right idea with making it easy to use AND making it look good.

Take Office 2007 as an simple example. While I've heard a few people saying that they don't like the "Ribbon", I'd bet that most people love it. It's so much easier to use than previous version of Office.

*End Sorta-Rant*

RE: bout time
By JediJeb on 7/21/2009 5:24:22 PM , Rating: 1
For me the less "eye candy" the better, and FireFox is one I can make look as simple as possible. It's a box on the screen to view webpages, who needs "style" to make it work. When I upgrade to it I will probably do away with the 3D buttons and stuff anyhow, just as I do with Windows as much as I can.

RE: bout time
By bunnyfubbles on 7/22/2009 2:47:33 AM , Rating: 1
four words: NASA Night Launch theme

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