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Accuses iTunes Developer of Adopting Distribution Practices Similar to Malware

Mozilla CEO John Lilly has a beef with Apple, which he made clear yesterday after he blasted the company on its decision to package its Safari web browser with the latest version of iTunes and Quicktime.

Specifically, Lilly laments Apple’s decision to bundle Safari in a way that users have to opt-out of its installation during an otherwise routine upgrade to iTunes. Pushing Safari on users who may not understand what they’re doing “undermines the trust relationship great companies have with their customers,” writes Lilly, “and that’s bad — not just for Apple, but for the security of the whole Web.”

He refers to Apple’s decision to include Safari in the latest batch of updates issued to Windows iTunes users via Apple Software Update, which lists Safari as a program requiring updates regardless of whether it’s installed or not. As such, claims Lilly, unsuspecting users are lead to install the browser when they might not be inclined to do so: “Apple has made it incredibly easy — the default, even — for users to install ride along software that they didn’t ask for, and maybe didn’t want. This is wrong, and borders on malware distribution practices.”

Apple’s decision to mimic the “malware distribution practice” – where spyware is bundled with a program’s installer for various reasons, usually to recoup development costs – is a problem because “software makers are trying to get users to trust [them] on updates.” When presented with Apple Update (or similar updaters from Java or Adobe), most users will simply click the “install all items” button, “which means that they’ve now installed a completely new piece of software, quite possibly completely unintentionally.”

“It’s wrong because it undermines the trust that we’re all trying to build with users,” writes Lilly, “because it means that an update isn’t just an update … maybe [it’s] something more,” ultimately undermining “the safety of users on the web by eroding that relationship. It’s a bad practice and should stop.”

Critics at The Register point out that bundling Safari may also erode Firefox’s market share, by using the power of defaults to force another browser on users – and going so far as to speculate that Safari could usurp the millions of dollars of search engine royalties that Google pays the Mozilla Foundation . In a follow-up posted Sunday evening, Lilly disclaimed that sentiment, noting “unequivocally” that “it isn’t about competition.”

“To the contrary: competition is good — necessary, actually … as a consumer, I want more competition,” wrote Lilly. “Firefox is better because there’s competition from Safari and others — that’s great, because it means that normal people can find the software that works best for them and make their own choices.”

Apple promised last summer that it would use iTunes to help crack Safari’s sagging 5 percent market share, with Steve Jobs noting that Apple receives more than 500,000 download requests per day for the Windows version of iTunes.

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By villageidiot111 on 3/24/2008 8:02:15 PM , Rating: 5
I currently have itunes installed on my computer, no other apple programs. Even though itunes wasn't even currently running, and update window popped up telling me that apple has new great software, safari, to offer me. It was extremely annoying and intrusive. If I had been playing a game it probably would have minimized the game or at least caused temporary lag.

I have itunes because I have an ipod. I didn't download it so that apple could start giving me spam popups for their other products.

If this happens again I will certainly seek out alternative programs.

RE: popup
By onwisconsin on 3/24/2008 8:05:14 PM , Rating: 4
I have Quicktime installed and was getting that same popup. I haven't seen it since I turned off "Check for updates automatically" under Quicktime preferences. Otherwise it was asking to install Safari every day I booted my computer.

RE: popup
By dr4gon on 3/24/2008 8:20:43 PM , Rating: 5
I saw this yesterday and was like wtf .... pretty ridiculous of apple to stoop this low and bug the hell out of everyone.

RE: popup
By UNCjigga on 3/25/2008 12:40:19 PM , Rating: 4
Seriously, this is a very stupid move by Apple and quite serious when you consider the DOJ/antitrust implications. iTunes is a monopoly tied to Apple hardware and is being prosecuted as such in certain countries (France, EU?) Why would Apple want to steal out of Microsoft's browser integration playbook when we all know it leads to trouble with the DOJ? The update popup sure pissed me off and I uninstalled iTunes/Quicktime out of everything but my main music rig.

RE: popup
By Ryanman on 3/25/2008 2:59:31 PM , Rating: 2
with Steve Jobs noting that Apple receives more than 500,000 download requests per day for the Windows version of iTunes

Funny, considering that nearly all of those are people trying to reinstally Apple's picky software. Great cause now they throw malware in there too!

RE: popup
By Brandon Hill on 3/24/2008 8:22:12 PM , Rating: 5
Your first mistake was installing Quicktime in the first place. If you MUST use Quicktime, install Quicktime Alternative -- it has just the basics and none of the bloat.

RE: popup
By Alexstarfire on 3/24/2008 8:34:22 PM , Rating: 5
Yep, QuickTime Alternative and RealMedia Alternative are God sends. I don't know what I'd do without them.

RE: popup
By StevoLincolnite on 3/25/2008 5:13:18 AM , Rating: 1
Probably VLC with a few Codec packs?

RE: popup
By Inkjammer on 3/24/2008 8:39:30 PM , Rating: 5
I've long held a beef against Quicktime.

Why? Because Apple, in its infinite wisdom, decided years ago such basic features as playing videos full screen was such a luxury that you should have to purchase the right to do so. Paying for just for the right to play a video full screen? I'd love to come up with some sort of witty metaphor as to how Apple's full screen "feature" relates to blah blah blah, but... well, I just can't think of anything that stupid to compare it to.

RE: popup
By ImSpartacus on 3/24/2008 9:13:00 PM , Rating: 5
Well, fullscreen is like a Lexus, and standard view is like a Chevy, lol.

RE: popup
By Xodus Maximus on 3/24/2008 11:06:10 PM , Rating: 3
Hey be careful, that is what we call "Pirks Bait".

Don't hold it in your hand, just place on the ground and step away, he'll devour anything in the vicinity when he sees it...

Its best to never have any with you ever again, the consequences just aren't worth it ;)

RE: popup
By jvillaro on 3/25/2008 9:23:27 PM , Rating: 2
Oh noooo here comes Sir Pirks of Appleshire, all of us wintel sheeps must run in fear! (Or drive away in our chevys)

RE: popup
By headbox on 3/25/08, Rating: 0
RE: popup
By afkrotch on 3/25/2008 4:21:40 AM , Rating: 4
Ya, .mov files are about as standard as .rm files. Quicktime the standard format. Ha, that makes me laugh.

Ever heard of mpeg? It's on cds, svcds, dvds, digital tv, hd-dvd, blu-ray, etc.

Every new version of Quicktime that comes out adds more support for the various standards of mpeg and does little or nothing for support of .mov.

RE: popup
By roadrun777 on 3/25/2008 6:40:51 AM , Rating: 3
Not to mention MKV files, the most excellent container file. You can encode almost any type of video or audio compression into an MKV file, along with embedded subtitles, alternate language tracks and even menus. All contained in one simple file.
I stopped using mov files a long time ago except for my camera which only stores in mov format (which I curse the developer for).

RE: popup
By wien on 3/25/2008 5:14:44 AM , Rating: 5
But I don't want all that. And I definitely don't want to pay for all that in order to gain basic full-screen capabilities.

RE: popup
By FITCamaro on 3/25/2008 8:52:55 AM , Rating: 5
Exactly. Windows Media Player offers the ability to play full screen. Why shouldn't Quicktime? Over the years I've grown to hate once simple programs. Quicktime used to be small and light. Same with Adobe Reader. Now both are a plague upon your computer. I've come to view them as similar to AIM.

As far as iTunes, don't own an iPod and never will. Nor will I be told what I can do with things that I purchase.

RE: popup
By oTAL on 3/26/2008 8:02:49 AM , Rating: 2
Try Foxit PDF Reader. It's awesome.
I still have Adobe's reader installed (for exactly the same reason I have IE7) but Foxit has been my default PDF reader for some time.

RE: popup
By Jack Ripoff on 3/25/2008 1:14:11 PM , Rating: 1
"Get your facts straight. Quicktime Pro is a very powerful media conversion tool. You can even do basic video editing with it. There are plugins that allow interactively viewing 3D models. This is not simply a media player, and that's why quicktime is the standard format in the entertainment industry."

Free very powerful media conversion tool:

Free basic video editor:

RE: popup
By gmw1082 on 3/25/2008 7:55:41 AM , Rating: 2
I wasn't aware of this Quicktime Alternative. Looks like my computer will have some new software shortly.

RE: popup
By CU on 3/25/2008 9:40:14 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah I installed QT awhile back and it installed iTunes also. I don't even remember seeing an opt out box for it. Anyway I uninstalled iTunes and QT immediately and started looking for another way to play QT files. That is when I first found out about QT Alternative and I have not looked back since. That made me dislike Apple more than I already did. I always recommend people away from Apple products when they ask for my advice.

RE: popup
By leexgx on 3/25/2008 10:14:27 AM , Rating: 2
at one point you could not install QT with out havieng to download that 50mb itunes that had QT in it was very anoying as i had to remove itunes after i put QT on now thay offer it as IT + QT or QT only (some one probly sued them for not letting QT be an download only putting an apple based browser that may be more insecure then IE not good and will confuse the user as well badd apple for doing this it should eb optional)

RE: popup
By cyyc009 on 3/25/2008 12:23:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, but Quicktime Alternative is still an "incomplete" Quicktime. It's missing some plugins that the regular Quicktime from Apple has (like the Quicktime VR Plugin).

RE: popup
By Polynikes on 3/24/2008 9:27:38 PM , Rating: 2
I made sure to check that box when I installed QuickTime. Glad I did.

RE: popup
By EntreHoras on 3/24/2008 11:45:31 PM , Rating: 2
To stop this, you just have to go to add/remove programs and uninstall apple updates.

RE: popup
By TomCorelis on 3/24/2008 8:05:15 PM , Rating: 5
I've been using Winamp with the ml_ipod ( for almost three years now, with an old iPod photo and a new 160gb iPod classic. The only time I use iTunes is to update my iPod's firmware, since the updaters are no longer seperate programs.

If you are or will be looking for alternatives, I'd highly suggest checking those two out.

RE: popup
By mcmilljb on 3/24/2008 9:13:17 PM , Rating: 2
Are you going to write an article about every install program that also tries to install Google Desktop? Seriously, I don't think it's a big deal. Is it shady? Yes, but we know they do it to make money. If they made it an opt-in, almost no one would opt-in and therefore no money. I think the Adobe Reader is the shadiest of them all, because if you hurry too fast you will miss the box to not include Google Desktop.

RE: popup
By gss4w on 3/24/2008 10:15:31 PM , Rating: 2
Is it Google Desktop or Google Toolbar? I thought it was Google toolbar, which is not as bad as Desktop. Google toolbar is just an IE add-on, it does not index your entire hard drive. By the way I actually like both those programs, but I don't like being asked to install them along with an unrelated program such as Adobe Reader.

RE: popup
By Lonyo on 3/25/2008 6:06:18 AM , Rating: 2
I was updating Flash in IE, and I got a checkbox asking me if I wanted to install Google Toolbar.
I was rather confused as to why Google Toolbar would be bundled with a Flash update. Pretty stupid and annoying as well. An update should be an update.

RE: popup
By roadrun777 on 3/25/2008 7:02:24 AM , Rating: 1
try Sandboxie, never never never run flash on a browser that isn't sandboxed. Flash is an open door to your hard drive. Not only that, flash can hook into your microphones and web cam without you ever knowing it.
Installing Flash on your browser without some protection is very bad. It takes all of about 10 seconds for a web server to read all your personal data through Flash.

RE: popup
By Moishe on 3/25/2008 8:44:43 AM , Rating: 2
Google is just as bad... they've been doing it for a long time and I now consider it to be just one more piece of garbage I have to cleanup after. I'm sick of fixing computers that won't startup in less than 5 minutes because of the crappy google hogs running. Regardless of how bad google is, Apple is now just as bad. This kind of crap from large and supposedly reputable companies is really bad.

RE: popup
By VashHT on 3/25/2008 10:12:34 AM , Rating: 2
Google doesn't have updates pop-up on your computer though. Neither does google force you to install their toolbar ever. For a while apple forced you to install itunes with quicktime, which is totally retarded in the first place, and now they have this crap popping up like i actually want more of their software.

RE: popup
By stitso on 3/25/2008 1:16:33 AM , Rating: 5
The same happened to me, PESKY little SAFARI trying to make its way into my WINDOWS PC, PESKY INTRUDERS.

RE: popup
By CvP on 3/25/08, Rating: 0
RE: popup
By nbachman on 3/25/2008 10:11:54 AM , Rating: 4
and you dont have the right to criticize Steve Jobs.

Oh, but we do.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

RE: popup
By nofranchise on 3/25/2008 11:52:12 AM , Rating: 2
If it happens again try Red Chair's Anapod Explorer. I use it to sync my iPod, and it is superior in every way.

It allows you to create playlists of added files automatically - so if you add your music folder it creates a playlist for every subfolder, making it easy to sort your music into genres etc. without having to edit ID3 tags in iTunes.


Fastest and Safest ? NOT !
By chick0n on 3/25/2008 12:50:49 AM , Rating: 5
When I saw that I was like LOL !!!!

Fastest because they dont support shit, nothing works on this PoS Browser.

Safest ? Same as above.

Its coming from a company who claims themself to be the best and have yet be able to create their own fuxking kernel for their OS ... kiss my butt alright apple ?

RE: Fastest and Safest ? NOT !
By kelmon on 3/25/2008 6:00:11 AM , Rating: 2

I would agree that Safari is not the safest browser as it has already been criticised because of its lack of built-in anti-phising tools that both IE and Firefox already support (not sure about Opera). However, that "nothing works" is a bit of an overstatement, isn't it? It might also be worth noting that, if you have not already tried the 3.1 release, that Ars is reporting it to be much better than earlier releases for Windows and that the ones before we, well, a bit rubbish.

RE: Fastest and Safest ? NOT !
By roadrun777 on 3/25/2008 6:52:14 AM , Rating: 4
anti-phishing filters send data about every website you visit to another collection server on the internet.
I prefer to use my own instincts about a website, rather than sending my browsing habits to some unknown entity.

RE: Fastest and Safest ? NOT !
By kelmon on 3/25/2008 8:12:00 AM , Rating: 5
Good for you and I wish you the best of luck. Unfortunately, since phishing appears to actually work we can only assume that other people aren't as smart and therefore anything that can help them, short of pulling their Internet access completely, has to be seen as at least a good option. I do think that this is a good option to have and that Safari should provide the function so that it can at least maintain parity with the rest of the market. As long as you can turn it off then that should be OK.

RE: Fastest and Safest ? NOT !
By robinthakur on 3/25/2008 7:42:19 AM , Rating: 2
Safari is pretty good actually. I installed it and like it, its nice and fast. The rendering is much more accurate than IE even if the compatibility is a little lacking compared to Firefox. At the end of the day anything which erodes the market share of IE6 with a more accurate (read: less broken)renderer is to be applauded though I do not approve of its inclusion by default.

Mozilla should
By Azsen on 3/24/2008 10:21:25 PM , Rating: 5
As a counter-attack, Mozilla should bundle an un-installer by default into their products. When you run the Firefox or Thunderbird installer, it has an opt-out option to uninstall Safari and Internet Explorer. ;)

RE: Mozilla should
By JoshuaBuss on 3/25/2008 12:13:55 AM , Rating: 5
that is brilliant!

RE: Mozilla should
By roadrun777 on 3/25/08, Rating: 0
RE: Mozilla should
By Azsen on 3/25/2008 9:41:53 PM , Rating: 2
ROFL, give this guy a 6 for the randomness.

RE: Mozilla should
By MrWho on 3/25/2008 11:07:20 AM , Rating: 2
Neat idea! Brilliant! How come no one ever thought of that before?

RE: Mozilla should
By epsilonparadox on 3/25/2008 11:47:26 AM , Rating: 2
Don't you need IE for the IE Tab addon?

I'ld like to know...
By HighWing on 3/24/2008 8:26:37 PM , Rating: 4
Apple receives more than 500,000 download requests per day for the Windows version of iTunes.

I would really like to know if that number includes the bundle with Quicktime or just iTunes by itself?

I bet at least half of those numbers are people just trying to download Quicktime and unknowingly download the bundle with iTunes. That part really annoys me. Trying to find the download link for Quicktime WITHOUT the iTunes bundle. I don't like Quicktime as it is, and the last thing I want is to install iTunes with it as well.

RE: I'ld like to know...
By randomlinh on 3/24/2008 8:34:50 PM , Rating: 2
I don't agree with the tactics exactly, but Jobs did say he was going to use iTunes as a conduit. Regardless, this should have been an opt-in option, not opt-out. Is it surprising? No.

But just to clarify, to download quicktime alone, you select the second radio button that doesn't say "with iTunes." It's been like this now for a while.

RE: I'ld like to know...
By HighWing on 3/25/2008 11:23:09 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah I know they added that option now. But it wasn't like that when they first started to bundle them together.

RE: I'ld like to know...
By Belard on 3/25/2008 12:43:07 AM , Rating: 2
Isn't Quicktime always included with iTunes, period? Its one reason I don't want an iPOD - I prefer WinAMP.

But I don't want Quicktime - which is NOT installed on my computers, but I can play many Quicktime files with Media Player Classic - which is the BEST player for Windows.

The difference between the OPT in/out with google bar is that it only comes up when installing software, NOT when iTunes is doing its updates.

Some of my clients with iPhones have asked me how Safari got on the PCs or what it is. They thought it was something part of and required of iTunes for their phone or iPod.... The avgerage person doesn't know.

Well - this is one way to get people to know a product, eh?

RE: I'ld like to know...
By kelmon on 3/25/2008 5:43:42 AM , Rating: 2
Just as a quick note, iTunes needs QuickTime because QuickTime is a fundamental multimedia code library (known as a framework) on the Mac, which is obviously where iTunes originates. iTunes doesn't need the QuickTime Player (that's just a wrapper around the QuickTime framework) but it does need the QuickTime code. Since the QuickTime Player (and therefore the QuickTime framework) has been ported to Windows for many years, having the dependency between it and iTunes was probably seen as being the easiest way to port iTunes to Windows. Perhaps this can be seen as being lazy but the alternative is to distribute the QuickTime framework in iTunes itself and that really doesn't change things much.

RE: I'ld like to know...
By Spacecomber on 3/25/2008 6:32:47 PM , Rating: 2
I was less bothered by the fact that Opera was offered as an option (since I could untick the checkmark and not install it) than I was that there was no option for me to only update QuickTime without also installing iTunes at the sametime.

Although you have to look for it, there is an option to only install Quicktime (sans iTunes) to begin with; so, why can't they offer the same when it comes time to upgrade the media player? This is the part that feels like QuickTime is being used to foist unwanted software onto my computer.

Pretty clear what they're doing here
By obeseotron on 3/24/2008 9:51:37 PM , Rating: 2
They are trying to boost Safari market share on Windows to force sites to cater to it to make Safari better on Macs and iPhones, which actually make them money.

I generally like Apple's designs, but I think Safari is the ugliest browser since Netscape 4. It's not a bad browser and has good standards support, but I can't see any reason anyone on Windows would ever use it.

Scratch that, I'm sure there are a bunch of poorly maintained computers out there with IE 5-6 on them that probably barely even work any more because of all the crap that sites have infested them with. For those people, I can see how they might get Safari without ever really understanding what a browser is, and for them it will be an improvement. FF2 (or 3 beta, which is awesome) or IE7 users on the other hand - there is no reason to use this.

By roadrun777 on 3/25/2008 7:13:49 AM , Rating: 2
My pet space hamster (named boo) says that Apple wants a cut of the browser market to get into the internet advertising market and what better way then to control the browser itself.
You can track peoples web usage and inject adverts and links into their browsing.
I think boo may be a little paranoid, but flying to earth in a miniature space ship powered by an exercise wheel makes me think deeply about the issue.

By kelmon on 3/25/2008 2:21:12 PM , Rating: 2
Plausible but more likely Apple would like to get a share of the Google money that Mozilla has been raking in each time a Firefox user makes use of the integrated Search function. In this respect I can see why Mozilla's CEO is a bit worried since an uptick in Safari adoption would mean less revenue for Mozilla from Google.

To be fair, Safari doesn't tend to have problems with any site that works well with Firefox or other standards-based browser so I can't see there being much to be gained there as long as the site isn't IE-only. Sites are coding directly for the iPhone now but adoption of the Safari for Windows would have no impact on that.

Google toolbar
By Aokromes on 3/24/2008 9:21:44 PM , Rating: 3
¿And what about their toolbar everywhere? ¿they don't say nothing about that?

RE: Google toolbar
By kelmon on 3/25/2008 5:54:38 AM , Rating: 2
Don't get me started on the Google Toolbar. That I see in the same light as this "update". If I install or update the Java client in Windows then Sun seems to think that I want, by default, to install the Google Toolbar for IE that has absolutely nothing to do with Java.

I wouldn't be so bothered about the Google Toolbar or Safari if both options were unchecked by default but that they are not is just disgraceful.

From The Mac - This Is Bad
By kelmon on 3/25/2008 6:09:13 AM , Rating: 5
Even as a Mac user I have to say that this is not a good practice and it should stop immediately. I have no issue with Apple advertising their products via applications already installed on your PC but they should not be using Software Update to download software that is not already installed. Software Update, by its very name, should only be used to install updates to applications that are already present on your PC. Software Update certainly should not be used to try and "sneak" new applications onto you PC, which is precisely what is going on here in much the same way that Sun tries to get me to install the bloody Google Toolbar for IE each time I update Java.

Doing this is only going to annoy the target audience and that's not good business practice. Mozilla didn't need to resort to such tactics in order to develop a healthy market share for Firefox and that was done at a time when IE was pretty much the ONLY browser on the PC. Equally, it is not up to Apple to decide that their application is better than your current browser as some people actually like IE while others have already chosen alternatives. Apple should simply compete with everyone else on an even platform.

Shady indeed
By lakingsgeek on 3/24/2008 8:44:06 PM , Rating: 2
I have quicktime on my PC and always thought it was really annoying when they tried to install itunes in an "update". When i saw the auto update software trying to install Safari it really irked me. If I wanted Safari I would download, so stop trying to shove it down my throat Apple

RE: Shady indeed
By roadrun777 on 3/25/2008 6:55:11 AM , Rating: 2
I think Apple views this as a way to help people who can't read, by giving them a browser to help them learn to read?

I'm just waiting for FireFox3
By encryptkeeper on 3/25/2008 9:03:16 AM , Rating: 3
You can't beat FireFox for all the extensions. Stumbleupon, embedded video downloaders, easy gestures, forecast fox, IE Tab (for those annoying IE only pages, language translation...just a few things I have here on my work PC. The only reason I don't use the FF3 beta YET is it doesn't quite work with all the extensions yet, but it was fun to use when I tried it. I might give Opera a chance since the Wii version of the browser is very cool.

By InternetGeek on 3/24/2008 8:51:26 PM , Rating: 2
So last week Safari wasn't even a blip in the Windows Browsers radar. In the following weeks it will have a fairly decent user base just out of nowhere. Unlike firefox who's had to fight for every single %point.

I use all 3: IE, Firefox and Safari mostly so I know all sites I develop will work on several platforms. I reckon the choice is wise as I'm spanning the biggest number of users out there. I'm not including Opera because testing for 4 different browsers is just too time-consuming.

not first time..
By 4wardtristan on 3/25/2008 12:12:04 AM , Rating: 2
there are many software apps out there that bundle things together.

adobe reader bundles the google IE toolbar with its install, which you have to go in and un-tick.

i really love getting a customers pc IE and low-behold they have 234234 useless toolbars(and crap apps) that they unknowingly installed..

this isnt new and has been happening for *ages*..

Open source is awesome cool
By gochichi on 3/25/2008 4:34:50 AM , Rating: 2
Power of defaults to a whole other level though, using iTUnes to get Safari into user's computer makes iTunes a trojan horse... "Lilly" is exactly right to point out that updating (which iTunes updates WAY TOO MUCH, c'mon!) should be a breeze if you're dealing with "a reputable company".

Reading this reminded me to set Firefox as my default browser. THough INternet Explorer is a littl enicer at this particular moment (Fire3 should take care of that)... Safari really lags the competition.

iPOds have never been my cup of tea, and these days I'm over Apple and their prices.

Slow Reporting at DT?
By kelmon on 3/25/2008 8:17:19 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, before I forget about it, what's with the slow reporting at Daily Tech these days? Stories appear here about a day later than most sources on the net and this one broke 3-days before this article appeared. I honestly didn't think this one was going to appear since it had been so long, particularly given that anti-Apple stories tend to be so "popular". Sort it out.

Just wanted to clear up...
By PeanutR on 3/25/2008 8:38:38 AM , Rating: 1
There seems to be some confusion about Holland and Denmark. Two things have happened that have gotten strong responses:

- The drawings printed in a Danish newspaper (not a Dutch one as stated here: )

- The film by Dutch filmmaker Geert Wilders.

I don't know whether there were actually protests outside of Dutch embassies in response to the Danish drawings (as stated here), but it makes sense that protests would primarily be directed at Danish embassies.

Sorry for nitpicking, but this whole film affair could escalate even further, so I thought I'd try to clear up the mixups now :)

RE: Just wanted to clear up...
By PeanutR on 3/25/2008 8:43:48 AM , Rating: 1
Oops, dunno how that ended up here, was meant to go here:

By mikefarinha on 3/25/2008 12:50:57 PM , Rating: 2
Why is everyone complaining?

Obviously Mr. Jobs is trying to show us the future of computing, we should all willingly accept the new paradigm of software updating. After all using Apple software isn't really about being productive or using it as if it were a tool, it is all about the communal experience of the wonder and excitement of technology that is ever-fleeting.

Be honest with yourselves people! We should be so lucky to have yet another jewel graciously handed down to us from above. In reverence to all that is Apple users should lay prostrate for one hour before each use in order to fully appreciate what has been given to us.

Lame... (Not the codec)
By Alias1431 on 3/27/2008 2:02:18 AM , Rating: 2


Look in the mirror
By kibets on 3/24/08, Rating: -1
RE: Look in the mirror
By Brandon Hill on 3/24/2008 8:04:55 PM , Rating: 2
What are these shady tactics that you speak of with regards to "stealing" from Microsoft?

RE: Look in the mirror
By Sandok on 3/24/2008 8:16:02 PM , Rating: 2
The emblem is a fox, so it must be shady!!!


RE: Look in the mirror
By mmntech on 3/24/2008 8:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
They made a browser that works and isn't like swiss cheese.
IE6 was a golden age for the computer repair man.

I think Mozilla is a little upset with recent reports that Safari is outperforming it. However, Firefox 3 is coming so why they wouldn't just emphasize that instead is unknown. Sounds like sour grapes to me. More browser competition is good as long as the user wins out in the end with better security and performance. IE is still Mozilla's major enemy and I can't honestly see that changing anytime soon.

RE: Look in the mirror
By Azzr34l on 3/24/2008 11:34:07 PM , Rating: 2
The shady tactics must be that Firefox offers an intuitive, user-friendly, vastly customizable application, whereas IE 7 is a clunky relic from the 90's with a modern skin. IE 6 was more user-friendly than IE7, the security holes eventually killed it's usefulness.

RE: Look in the mirror
By bunnyfubbles on 3/24/08, Rating: 0
RE: Look in the mirror
By mckinney on 3/24/2008 9:48:27 PM , Rating: 5
Even if your claims against Mozilla were true, two wrongs don't make a right.

But three rights do make a left :P

RE: Look in the mirror
By nstott on 3/24/2008 9:12:17 PM , Rating: 1
No thanks for your Internet Exploder, Bill Jr.

RE: Look in the mirror
By roadrun777 on 3/25/08, Rating: -1
RE: Look in the mirror
By JustTom on 3/25/2008 8:59:52 AM , Rating: 3
There are a few problems with this scenario:
1. Your illiterate girlfriend can't read.
2. She refuses to make love with you.
3. Since the cat smacked with his claws she's deflated and you no longer have a girlfriend.

Wow Daily Tech
By aharris on 3/24/08, Rating: -1
RE: Wow Daily Tech
By ImSpartacus on 3/24/08, Rating: 0
RE: Wow Daily Tech
By noirsoft on 3/24/2008 10:54:08 PM , Rating: 1
That's because it's bad news about Apple. If it's good news, Jason Mick posts it in a heartbeat. But since this is critical of the church of Jobs, Mr. Mick is nowhere to be seen, forcing DailyTech to rely on people who do not exist off of Apple's press releases. Clearly finding another writer to pick up Mick's slack takes time.

RE: Wow Daily Tech
By stargazr on 3/25/2008 10:43:29 AM , Rating: 1
In addition to that, Jason Mick's article titles are mostly misleading.

RE: Wow Daily Tech
By aharris on 3/25/2008 1:31:27 PM , Rating: 2
Ya know, I'm an MCP who prefers to use the Mac platform (work with both daily), and I really don't like Jason Mick's articles.

Not saying anything in particular, just making an unspoken observation.

RE: Wow Daily Tech
By Gravemind123 on 3/25/2008 9:52:52 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, a bit old, and if it weren't for the color scheme I would have thought I was reading Slashdot.

By munim on 3/24/08, Rating: -1
RE: eh
By roadrun777 on 3/25/2008 6:57:05 AM , Rating: 2
OMG! that is what your girl said about you when you were at work.

"There is a single light of science, and to brighten it anywhere is to brighten it everywhere." -- Isaac Asimov
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