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From adult films to movies to games, Hollywood employees appear to love to pirate content

BitTorrent monitoring company Scaneye and content rights outlet TorrentFreak have raised some pretty awkward questions for Hollywood's top studios.

In a new report, they show that static internet protocol addresses associated with Viacom Inc.'s (VIA) Paramount Studios, Time Warner Inc.'s (TWX) Warner Bros., Sony Corp.'s (TYO:6758) Sony Pictures, News Corp.'s (NWS) Twentieth Century Fox, and The Walt Disney Comp. (DIS) have been actively downloading and sharing torrents.

Perhaps victims of the "bring your own device" trend, the members of the Motion Picture Association of America, are finding that their employees are file-sharers just like their counterparts in the general public.

Twentieth Century Fox reportedly shared the least content, while Warner Bros perhaps offered the most colorful list of stolen comment with their randy workforce downloading titles such as "A--holeFever - Ioana (The Summer is Magic)".  Overall a wide array of movies, video games, and TV episodes were being illegally shared.

Warner Bros
Some of Warner Bros. employees' downloads may give a new meaning to working "hard on the job". [Image Source: TorrentFreak]

The MPAA is known for its penchant for provocative statements and lawsuits.  In ads it proclaimed:

You wouldn’t steal a car
You wouldn’t steal a handbag
You wouldn’t steal a television
You wouldn’t steal a movie

Downloading pirated films is stealing,
stealing is against the law,
PIRACY. IT’S A CRIME
 

 
Well, one has to wonder whether some Hollywood folks are off stealing cars, because they certainly appear to be pirating movies.  Recall these are the same companies responsible for million dollar verdicts against working families and mass-lawsuit extortion schemes.

They're also the same ones pushing Congress to make laws to make piracy an imprisonable offense.  They and their big music allies (many of which share common ownership, e.g. Sony) filled nearly 10 percent of coffers of Senators in the last election cycle.

And while similar studies have shown Congressional offices to be active pirates themselves, the money has done a lot of talking as Congress has proposed a variety off efforts to stiffen piracy punishments and has condoned the lawsuits and legal threat campaigns by big media corporations.

Viacom lost a suit against Google Inc.'s (GOOG) YouTube video service, when server logs showed that Viacom employees had themselves uploaded many of the infringing video clips from Viacom properties such as MTV and Comedy Central.  It was unclear whether the uploads were a direct attempt to frame Google or simple hypocrisy, but either way the "billion dollar" case was quickly scuttled in the aftermath.

Large film and music corporations have at times been accused of "pirating" independent artists' work, selling it without permission and then looking to stifle the artists' ability to collect with a convoluted royalty system.  Music companies, including Sony have paid tens of millions of dollars to settle such accusations in Canada alone.

That said, illegal distribution -- while hypocritical and harmful to artists -- is not quite as hypocritically humorous as movies studio employees directly engaging in torrent piracy.  Thus the industry -- or its employees at least -- appear to have sunk to a new low.  As the popular idiom goes, "Do as I say, not as I do."

Source: TorrentFreak



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Tom Cruise was paid 70mill for War of the Worlds
By pwnsweet on 12/26/2012 7:54:23 PM , Rating: 5
"Piracy is burning up the film industry"

Ever seen that ad? They claim that the film industry will go bankrupt due to piracy. Here's an idea. How about paying your actors $50k per movie instead of $70m and then you'll be $69,950,000 richer. Stupid dumbasses.

For as long as actors are being paid 250x my yearly salary per movie whilst (by their own admission) HAVING FUN, I refuse to purchase anything put out by the film industry.




RE: Tom Cruise was paid 70mill for War of the Worlds
By tayb on 12/26/12, Rating: 0
By DBCooper71 on 12/26/2012 11:13:52 PM , Rating: 5
I don't quite agree. What the studios should see is that their movies are in high demand as long as people can get them for free . The demand isn't a fixed number, it's a function of price. Therefore, they shouldn't assume that the demand would be there if people had to pay what the the studios want to charge for them.


By deathwombat on 12/27/2012 8:20:52 AM , Rating: 5
And yet they do. They claim that every download is a lost sale. Sensible people understand why that claim is absurd, but politicians can be paid to believe whatever the studios want them to believe.


RE: Tom Cruise was paid 70mill for War of the Worlds
By tayb on 12/27/2012 8:26:15 AM , Rating: 1
It doesn't matter what you think they should see. The only thing that matters is what they actually see. I've already described what they actually see therefore this form of protest is completely worthless.

I'll add further that this form of protest is damaging to legitimate consumers by way of intrusive DRM. DRM was born in response to piracy, not to pre-empt it.

The desired effect and the actual effect are not remotely similar which leads me to the conclusion that this form of "protest" is just another bullshit excuse to download media for free. I don't care if you download, it doesn't directly hurt me, but please with the bullshit excuses.


By Plazmid19 on 12/27/2012 2:25:44 PM , Rating: 2
I have to agree with tayb.
The sad truth of the matter is that while we may not like what the movie industry is doing, the movie really is theirs to do what they like with it. They produced it, filmed it, paid the staff, and marketed it. It's theirs. I would be angry too, if someone took what I made and did what the wanted, contrary to my will. For good or for worse.
To add to the chorus, the only way to combat this is to write letters and support independents who make things you like. And don't fleece you while doing it.

My .002


By Florinator on 12/27/2012 3:08:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My .002


Your two tenths of a cent? ;-)


By PitViper007 on 12/31/2012 12:11:42 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't you know? That's all opinions are worth now.


By StuckMojo on 12/28/2012 7:37:10 AM , Rating: 1
I don't care if you download, it doesn't directly hurt me, but please with the bullshit excuses.

I'm a downloader, and a buyer. I don't agree with most of your argument, but the very last of that sentence....screams with truth. If you truly have principles, don't watch. If you just disagree with the unrealistic business model and are pragmatic, please don't cloth yourself as a martyr


By erikstarcher on 12/27/2012 3:15:34 PM , Rating: 2
Where exactly did he say anything about downloading the movies he didn't want to buy? The way I read it was that he was not buying the movies. That doesn't automatically mean that he was pirating them now does it?


By TheJian on 12/27/2012 4:31:53 PM , Rating: 3
He didn't say he'd pirate anything. ONLY that he would pay for anything put out by Hollywood etc.

You're assuming that because one says they'll not pay for it, that also means they'll take it. Quit putting words in his mouth.

The problem is what YOU see, not what he said...LOL.

I won't pay for and haven't paid for a movie or album in years and refuse until they lower their own wages to, oh I don't know a few hundred K per movie for even the top actors. Lets face it all they do is talk and memorize lines. That isn't worth what their paid, and nothing is worth me paying more than $1-2 for less than 2hrs of entertainment. Reduce movies to that and maybe I'll show up to buy a ticket :)

Reduce games to $20 like Legends of Grimrock, Torchlight 1 & 2 (the creator said they make the same $14 on $20 digital download as he did on $60 retail), gog priced games etc, Baldur's Gate Enhanced (when it lands on gog...LOL) and I show up to buy. Charge me $60 for 10-15hrs of entertainment and again, I tell you where to stick it.

Am I a pirate now too?...LOL. Either way, their DRM stops dishonest people for 10 minutes if that. FWIW I don't give a damn what they see or think about me :)

If you're having lots of fun at work, you're likely not doing your job, and that's not what he meant anyway. He meant FUN as in they're downloading music/movies etc from WORK...While suing people for the same at home...ROFL...jeez.

Since when did NOT paying for a movie/music cd etc become illegal? I can decide not to pay for anything I don't want. It's only illegal if I TAKE it without paying which he didn't say he does. :) So I think he chose the correct protest, as he didn't say anything more than not paying. Go to work for the MPAA, you think like they do. You didn't pay, so you must have stolen it. Umm, nope, maybe I just think your pricing is crap, and so is your product ;)

Then again, I have Roku, netflix, hulu, antenna, and unlimited cable...ROFL. I have no need for anything more than that TV wise. Gog satisfies most of my gaming needs.

You're also forgetting piracy does not = money lost. Most would just not use the content if you took easy access away. They seem to think we all can afford their crap, but it's far from true. If MR. X stopped pirating, it doesn't automatically mean Mr X would start wasting his money on whatever he pirated. He may need other things like FOOD for his table instead. I'd venture to guess 80+% of the people who pirate couldn't afford 1/10 of what they do pirate, and a good portion couldn't afford any of it without changing something else in their life (that $300 car bill etc...LOL, downsize the house). I'm thinking they wouldn't pay up either if needing to change their life to do it. These people are NOT pirating in protest, they're doing it because they're dirt poor. Which you seem to not understand.

I'm thinking if all these people had no entertainment, and we could actually KILL piracy 100% in some way, there would be a crapload more crime...ROFL. They would all have nothing to do then. Pirate on people, so you don't decide to come pirate (rob) stuff from my house. Watch that pirated movie, instead of wandering the streets causing trouble kiddies...LOL.

Content is priced such that most can't afford it. They deserve what people are forced to do. I'd say piracy is their own fault. Most people would be honest if they could afford it (I did say most).


RE: Tom Cruise was paid 70mill for War of the Worlds
By Salisme on 12/26/2012 8:57:11 PM , Rating: 5
I'm not sure why he was rated down. And I realize due to the rating system here I will get an auto -1 for responding to this. I don't have points to vote you back up.

I've wondered the same thing, why do we pay actors 70 mil for "acting" when every day folks go to work just like them and earn pennies compared to them. People treat celebrities like gods, which I find appalling, they need to know what they are wearing, who they are dating, what they are eating... Its stupidity. They put their pants on just like the rest of us.

There are doctors saving lives on a daily basis, but yet some whinny person gets in front of the camera for two hours a day and gets paid 5 mil a day more than a heart surgeon. Who allowed this? The same people that are complaining they are broke. Stupid is as stupid does, and tax payers are paying the price because lobbying overrides public opinion and we get stupid laws like SOPA that have no place in any mentally competent society.

It's not rocket science here, quite offering 50+ mil contracts for every day work, and you might make money. Actors are nothing special, they are every day normal people like the rest of us who go to work.


By Samus on 12/26/2012 11:06:28 PM , Rating: 2
America, Fuck Yeah?


By Omega215D on 12/26/2012 11:29:12 PM , Rating: 2
The sad thing is the people who do the actual stunts for the main celebs are paid peanuts in comparison (but still pretty well).


By deathwombat on 12/27/2012 8:31:29 AM , Rating: 4
I hear the same complaint all the time about people being paid $20 million to hit a ball with a stick. Work has no intrinsic value, it's worth whatever it produces. If a sports league brings in $5 billion per year, the 700 or so athletes who did the work are entitled to their fair share of it. If a movie brings in a billion dollars, the actors who made it a success are entitled to their fair share of it. If an album goes platinum, the band that sang the song and played the instruments are entitled to their fair share of the profits.

It may seem unfair that people make millions of dollars for singing or acting or playing a game, but music and movies and sports are multi-billion dollar per year industries. If they were only offering the actors and athletes $50k per year, that would just mean a 99.9% profit for the studios/leagues. Would that be better?

Whether I'm producing a life saving product or playing tiddly winks, if my employer is making a billion dollars off of my work, I expect to make millions for doing what I do, no matter how obscene it may seem to other people. If you don't like the fact that music and movies and sports are multi-billion dollar per year industries, you can always boycott, but until everyone else does too, the people who star in our entertainment are entitled to a significant share of the billions that their work brings in.


RE: Tom Cruise was paid 70mill for War of the Worlds
By nafhan on 12/27/2012 9:37:12 AM , Rating: 2
Something interesting about the people who "hit a ball with the stick" is that they have basically won the lottery (especially in regards to their money handling skills). I recently saw a study that showed that some 80% of NBA players are bankrupt within two years of leaving their sport.

In other words, someone with a skill or trade and a willingness to work who has had to learn about what to do with money is better off in the long term than the majority of the people in professional sports. I would imagine something similar applies to all but the elite in Hollywood.

Bringing this back around to copyright: there's no intrinsic reason WHY storytelling or singing or hitting a ball with a stick should earn so much money. This was not the case for most of human history. IMO, the reason we pay so much for those things now is tied to issues with distribution of physical media and copyright (which the internet has disrupted).

Long term, I think everyone (humanity, not necessarily 'Merica) will benefit from moving back towards a "patron of the arts" type of model for financing artistic works and entertainment. Kickstarter is a great modern example of this in action.


RE: Tom Cruise was paid 70mill for War of the Worlds
By bsd228 on 12/27/2012 5:09:54 PM , Rating: 2
> Bringing this back around to copyright: there's no intrinsic reason WHY storytelling or singing or hitting a ball with a stick should earn so much money. This was not the case for most of human history. IMO, the reason we pay so much for those things now is tied to issues with distribution of physical media and copyright (which the internet has disrupted).

In most of human history, a single person could only provide entertainment to dozens to hundreds and occasionally thousands of people. Now a billion people watch the World Cup or the Superbowl or a Disney movie.

Would you pay $20 for a DVD of a high school performance (that doesn't include your kids)? Probably not. Likewise, how many people would want to watch the final game for the Arena football league? It's just not at the same level of skill shown by players in the NFL, or in the Premiere League in Europe. Since few can operate at that skill, they get paid inordinately well. It has absolutely nothing to do with physical media distribution.

People have finite time and money and generally gravitate to the best entertainment product available. If the quality falls, people will redirect their resources...as seen with the NBA over the past 15 years. They dropped the ball and the other pro sports benefited.


By nafhan on 12/29/2012 9:49:53 PM , Rating: 2
I understand that <small amount of money> * <several million> = <large amount of money>

That's not a new concept to me, and not really the point I was making.


By someguy123 on 12/28/2012 5:59:36 AM , Rating: 2
I don't I why its so confusing. Even if you were to create a hypothetical situation where people were charging a dollar instead of multiple dollars/tens of dollars for entertainment, you'd still likely have an upper tier of people who would be receiving millions of dollars for their work. It's not like these baseball players and actors walk around in front of 5 people and get showered with money; these guys are entertaining tens to hundreds (or in Cruise's case possibly a billion over his career) of millions of people.

I don't of many people who would willingly allow someone else to dictate their earnings if they were aware of their actual profit. Its all well and good to talk about other people making too much, but if someone took a cut out of your million and told you you didn't deserve it I'm not so sure you'd be singing the same tune.


By AmbroseAthan on 12/27/2012 10:54:25 AM , Rating: 3
People need to remember with actors that there are several thousand scraping by making nothing for every 1 who is successful (I was a theatre major and have several friends in the film industry). Its not like actors all over are making a ton of money, the majority have other day-jobs so they can live. People like Tom Cruise are lotto winners in the acting world.

And as much as people like to pick on acting as a bad profession, there are very few people who can do it well and it is not a small amount of work. Famous actors have to be in the public spotlight as long as they are famous, maintain near perfect physical form putting in hours a day at the gym, and put in huge amounts of hours studying scripts, learning dialects, training, etc. 24/7 they are on the job; it sounds simple, but can be enormously complex to do it right.

I agree that they often get paid way too much upfront though, and should be receiving more on the back-end based on how the film ends up doing. They should not be receiving 8+ figure advances.


By Xplorer4x4 on 12/27/2012 4:41:57 PM , Rating: 2
I think your 24/7 comments apply to all major athletes. Sticking with the baseball analogy, any one can swing a stick, but not everyone can do it well. These guys don't just sit at home when there not playing a game. They practice several days a week. They don't just swing a bat while at practice either. They run, they lift weights, and when they aren't playing or practising, they, and their families are in the spotlight, they have to remain professional, and they sign autographs in most cases. If you rode a bus or flew on a jet from LA to NY, would you want to get off the bus, only to have fans pester you to sign autographs? Not just one, but what about the fans lined up with 10 pictures for you to sign making it obvious they are going to throw them on ebay for a buck?


By delphinus100 on 12/27/2012 9:30:52 PM , Rating: 2
There's something wrong with being paid well, because you happen to enjoy your job?


...
By shabby on 12/26/2012 6:50:47 PM , Rating: 2
"Well, when a movie studio employee does it, that means that it is not illegal."




RE: ...
By TSS on 12/26/2012 8:09:31 PM , Rating: 2
Of course it isn't illigal then. They have money.

What? It's true isn't it? Those companies pay for the RIAA, and nobody else goes after copyright infringement, so why in the world wouldn't they pirate? Even if it is known that they themselves pirate?

The only ones that can do anything about this are the politicians. Yknow, the ones who just spent $7 billion of non-taxpayer money collectively to get elected? I wonder every time when they say "the people", exactly which people they are referring to.


RE: ...
By kattanna on 12/27/2012 9:58:58 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
when a movie studio employee does it


well.. one thing the article fails to take into account is how a whole lot of people on a studio lot are not actually employees.

lets take the big fox lot on pico in century city. when you come in off pico and past the big parking structure you come to a huge 4 story office building. its not filled with fox studio employees.. but with people working for various production companies. same with the numerous bungalows going down the road further.

these production companies use a lot of interns who make next to nothing.. and they get bored just like anyone else.

same with any of the big studio lots.


RE: ...
By Trisped on 12/27/2012 1:02:38 PM , Rating: 2
For companies that care so much about piracy as the RIAA and the MPAA, it is not hard to block torrents, or even setup a monitoring system so they know who is pirating content using their network.


Ok
By room200 on 12/26/2012 5:57:12 PM , Rating: 5
That is funny. That is all.




Treat piracy as if it were theft
By tayb on 12/26/2012 7:08:24 PM , Rating: 4
Apparently the movie studios want to treat piracy as if it were theft. I say you pirates out there should give them what they want...

Instead of suing you in a court of law after doing their own investigating they would have to work with the police force. Instead of trotting out any and all evidence they like they'll have to work within the confines of the constitution which means no searches without probable cause. Instead of being able to convince a jury based on a preponderance of evidence they'll have to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt without their own high paid lawyers. And instead of winning (remote chance in a criminal court) ridiculous awards they'll have to live with the class C misdemeanor that "stealing" less than $50 typically is.

In most states the victim can file a civil suit AFTER a guilty verdict but these civil suits have pre-defined maximum damages that are far below what the studios have previously been claiming.

There are downsides (criminal record) but the likelihood of a conviction in a criminal court is incredibly low. Maybe I'm being too optimistic here?? Someone straighten me out.




PPV $1.00
By Mitch101 on 12/26/2012 8:24:35 PM , Rating: 3
Make Pay Per View on Direct TV and cable a $1.00 to compete with RedBox and game over for everything out there RedBox, Netflix, HBO, Showtime, and most likely PIRACY.

I only buy movies around Black Friday at cheap and only a handful of movies have replay value.

The rest Ill see in the theater for the big screen effect. To pay $4.00 for something I have to watch in 24 hours is insane when I can buy it for that much around Black Friday or rent it from RedBox.

Best deal yet wait for a FREE 3 day weekend preview from HBO/Showtime/Cinemax and fill up my DVR with movies that will last me long enough until the next 3 day free weekend.

You want to end piracy make it cheap enough that its not worth pirating and worth someone throwing a buck at it.

Learn something from Steam as I purchased many games there Ive got no time to play.




As the old saying goes...
By bmheiar on 12/27/2012 8:42:00 AM , Rating: 2
Do as I say, NOT as I do...




Surprise!
By ppardee on 12/26/2012 6:55:05 PM , Rating: 1
Not really surprising (where does the first 'r' go in that word when you say it... sir-prize doesn't sound right)... I'm a software engineer and I would have no problem pirating software. Some games/apps are just plain crap and aren't worth the money, but you don't know that until you use them. If they are worth buying, I'd buy them.

Other programs are good, but overpriced. I would not pay for them because they are out of my budget. I would have no problem pirating it for occasional use, but if I were to use it professionally, I would pay for it.

As far as movies and TV shows are concerned, I'm happy to pay for Netflix or a similar streaming service. If they decide not to make themselves available in the 21st century format, then they will be forced into it by pirates. If its 3 AM and I want to watch The Big Bang Theory, I'm (hypothetically) hitting TPB, not trying to find a 24-hour WalMart that might not even have it in stock.




If not on Netflix = doesn't exist
By Ananke on 12/26/2012 9:13:12 PM , Rating: 1
If something is not on Netflix, Hulu or iTunes today, that means it doesn't exists. Piracy is less relevant now, but nobody will pay $4.99 to rent some show either. To the main consumer, if something is not on the major monthly subscription services, that thing is not existing...




The Left Coast
By bitmover461 on 12/27/2012 10:43:16 AM , Rating: 1
Interesting that liberals like to institute rules and regulations and taxes and laws, then seem to take every opportunity to avoid them should they prove personally inconvenient.




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