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A copy of Manning's charge sheet  (Source: Boing Boing)

U.S. Army Intelligence officer, SPC Bradley Manning, in uniform  (Source: Wired)
Manning could face 70 years in prison for his crimes, but escapes the death penalty; DoD foes cry conspiracy

A U.S. military press release announced that a young intelligence official deeply involved with the nation's operations in Iraq has been charged with leaking confidential documents in gross violation of the U.S. Armed Force's digital policy and laws against espionage.

Pvt. 1st Class Bradley Manning, 22, of the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division in Iraq, a U.S. Military specialist, was charged with two separate counts under the Uniform Code of Military Justice: one encompassing the eight alleged criminal offenses, and a second detailing four non-criminal violations of Army regulations governing the handling of classified information and computers.

The biggest criminal charge facing Manning is violation of provisions with the Espionage Act, 18 U.S.C. 793(e).  While passing confidential information to foreign governments can carry the death penalty under that act, in this case it was deemed that the information passed was to an unauthorized third-party, not a foreign nation.  Sources say those charges could carry a sentence of 50 to 70 years in prison -- a sentence which could potentially be shortened for cooperation or good behavior.

DailyTech has received information from a high ranking Department of Defense source involved with the the investigation, claiming that they had received no contact from attorneys retained and hired by the site that Manning allegedly leaked to -- Wikileaks.  This contradicts previous reports.  Wikileaks chief Julian Assange had previously stated that his efforts were rebuffed by U.S. government officials, a claim the DoD source states is believed to be false.

Manning will face a UCMJ Article 32 hearing, similar to one by a US grand jury.  That hearing will end with a recommendation by the principal investigator as to whether to subject Manning to court martial and punishment.

DailyTech has been extensively reporting on the situation, since Manning's arrest in May.  Manning had allegedly leaked a pair of gun cam videos of helicopter attacks which killed civilians in 2007 and 2009.  He also may have leaked other smaller, less consequential documents.  However, the leak that ultimately proved his undoing was his decision to allegedly release 260,000 classified U.S. embassy cables.  On those cables he remarked, " Hilary Clinton, and several thousand diplomats around the world are going to have a heart attack."

That leak compelled ex-hacker Adrian Lamo whom Manning bragged of his crimes to, to turn the young man over to the Department of Defense.

Public reaction on the incident has been mixed, as evidenced by the comments received here at DailyTech.  Some accuse the U.S. Armed Forces of a vast conspiracy to cover up its wrongdoing, and call Manning a martyr for a cause. 

Others state that Manning lost any credibility as a legitimate whistleblower when he released the embassy cables, which he did not fully review.  They point out that while the gun cam release might be whistleblowing -- akin to releasing corporate documents indicting individuals in your company in criminal activity -- that the following release amounted to a direct attack on an organization, not whistleblowing.  They say that act would be akin to leaking your company's entire server records, including information on pending intellectual property.

Likewise the coverage on the issue has been sharply divided.  Wired and Cryptome have published criticism of Wikileaks' and Manning's actions, while Salon.com and BoingBoing have taken a sympathetic stance.  Salon.com journalist Glenn Greenwald even went as far as to post to Twitter that he was having difficulty overcoming his "blinding contempt " of Lamo's actions, illustrating his clear bias.

The issue has been a serious one for all involved.  It has led to Lamo receiving death threats and becoming a reviled figure in the hacking community.  It obviously threatens to take away the freedom of Bradley Manning.  For the U.S. government it marks an embarrassing breach in information.  And for Wikileaks it threatens the site's very existence.

While Wikileaks has gained much publicity for leaking a variety of documents -- from documents indicting Kenyan officials on corruption to European banking documents -- its bread and butter has been leaking U.S. information.  Over two thirds of its pages either target the U.S. or its close ally Iraq.  That has led some to less than charitably question whether the site is behaving as a hostile foreign intelligence agency.  The site does not disclose its funding sources, other than to say funding comes from anonymous donors.

Site founder Julian Assange, a convicted hacker who has expressed anarchistic leanings in his past publications, has not made clear why his site primarily targets the U.S., disproportionately with respect to our nation's GDP and military spending levels.  He also has become increasingly fearful of U.S. retaliation in recent years, moving around the world, reportedly at great expense to the site.

As of last week Wikileaks' secure server system -- its backbone -- was dead, essentially rendering the page useless for leaking purposes.  The site has not published a leaked document in four months, but Assange is reportedly crafting a followup video to "Collateral Murder" about the 2009 airstrike.


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Does this mean
By Reclaimer77 on 7/6/2010 1:50:17 PM , Rating: 5
We're done with reading about this? Is it finally over?




RE: Does this mean
By bigdawg1988 on 7/6/2010 1:58:50 PM , Rating: 1
It was over when he got turned in. This dude is toast!
His best defense is to try to connect what he did with all the authorized "unauthorized" leaks that come from the Pentagon every day. Make a big conspiracy theory how he was a government patsy and was "authorized" to leak the documents by an unnamed higher up. Do the whole Ollie North thang and pray somebody buys it!

Poor fool....


RE: Does this mean
By Reclaimer77 on 7/6/2010 2:02:06 PM , Rating: 5
Well yeah, it's black and white to me. But Daily Tech has managed to turn this into a convoluted dramatic soap opera. I just want it to end.


RE: Does this mean
By DigitalFreak on 7/6/2010 2:59:23 PM , Rating: 5
Correction - JASON has turned this into a convoluted dramatic soap opera.


RE: Does this mean
By Anoxanmore on 7/6/2010 3:23:14 PM , Rating: 3
If you feel that bad, I can give you a hug old man. :)

Hugs are free from me, even if I'm an evil liberal.


RE: Does this mean
By MrBlastman on 7/6/2010 4:29:57 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
I just want it to end.


It can... If they would just use a firing squad. There was a time when treason would end up with that...


RE: Does this mean
By Iaiken on 7/6/2010 4:54:07 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
There was a time when treason would end up with that...


Still can in the US.

He was just lucky enough that it's been ruled that he wasn't handing information over directly to a foreign government. It strikes me as strange since through wiki leaks it is possible that he was handing over sensitive data to ALL foreign governments.


RE: Does this mean
By masamasa on 7/6/2010 5:28:46 PM , Rating: 3
The fastest way to get caught. Open your mouth and confide in someone.


RE: Does this mean
By Lord 666 on 7/6/2010 2:02:03 PM , Rating: 4
Doubtful. We'll get updates from DT about the congenial visits to both Manning and Lamo while they are in prison.

In all honesty, I've got the vibe that Manning would have been relieved of duty under DADT and possibly Lamo.


RE: Does this mean
By Anoxanmore on 7/6/2010 2:03:15 PM , Rating: 1
You know for someone who professes interest in the military Relcaimer, you sure do have double standards when it comes to stories about them.


RE: Does this mean
By MGSsancho on 7/6/2010 4:47:45 PM , Rating: 3
no we are not done, Jason Mick decided to follow the story and we bagged on him for not being through and now we are getting what we asked. I bet he is busting his ass over every article on the subject now to make sure it is complete. However he is still human and is bounce to make mistakes. We are getting from him what we asked on this issue


RE: Does this mean
By DigitalFreak on 7/6/2010 7:08:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We are getting from him what we asked on this issue


Ah, no. I think most of us wanted him to drop it.


It's dead...
By Daniel8uk on 7/6/2010 4:11:40 PM , Rating: 2
America died the day Kennedy was shot, that was your last president of the United States, he was the last freely elected president you guys ever had and this proves that, would a president who is elected by the people for the people allow a 19 year-old army officer face 70 years in prison for bringing illegal actions to light, which have been carried out by the military and covered up.

The mere fact that congress or the president is allowing all of this to take place shows you that they do not care about any American, or indeed any person on this earth.

Those innocent civilians who were killed by the helicopter pilot and gunner and those killed by the air strike deserves justice, and that can only happen when America has a transparent leadership and military which brings criminals to justice and truly aims for 'freedom'.

I'll probably get rated down for this, but it's the truth and the quicker people open their eyes to it the better life will be, not only for yourself but for your family and friends, trust me, the current issues America is going through can be solved, but it won't unless the people act.

/slightly unrelated rant, I agree, but it all ties in to this incident in some way.




RE: It's dead...
By Jaybus on 7/6/2010 4:45:50 PM , Rating: 3
Did someone remove your tin foil hat?


RE: It's dead...
By Daniel8uk on 7/6/2010 5:13:11 PM , Rating: 1
Nope, I believe those went out of fashion some time ago.

As much as you like to think the world is a beautiful (Nature aside) and fair place it just isn't.

I won't argue because you have your opinion, and I have mine and they are clearly different so let's leave it at that.


RE: It's dead...
By pequin06 on 7/6/2010 5:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
America died the day Kennedy was shot, that was your last president of the United States, he was the last freely elected president you guys ever had


Last freely elected?
Are you saying there wasn't any voter fraud or other issues?


RE: It's dead...
By Looey on 7/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: It's dead...
By Daniel8uk on 7/6/2010 9:10:19 PM , Rating: 2
If you guys go watch and listen to some of Kennedy's speeches you'll immediately understand what he stood for, that was the people and he was against corrupt organisations like the Federal Reserve, you probably won't know, or simply won't care, or understand, but before he was assassinated he had planned to sign control of money printing back to the US government, which would have dissolved the federal reserve and the private bankers would have lost out, you do know that for every single dollar America prints it goes into debt right?

That's why it's debt is something like $13 Trillion, and for each and every dollar printed it gets into more debt because the federal reserve, which is a private institution charges interest on each dollar.

After it was signed into law in 1913 no president has ever challenged it, except Kennedy and look where it got him.

That's what I mean by it was the last freely elected president, the whole government system would never risk allowing another president in like Kennedy, it would simply cause too much trouble for the agencies involved, you can clearly see this by the act Obama is putting on, he promised vast change and then went right ahead and extended the bush/ cheney era destruction of the constitution, not to mention the corporate bail-outs, the attacks on free speech, oh and that little thing where he has the ability to kill any American citizen, with out a trial or hearing, simply because there '''may''' be evidence that they are some how an 'evil terrorist'.

I'll admit I don't know much about early America, but I do pay attention to the shit that is happening in this world, and I believe America is responsible for the majority of that shit, not the people, I'm not attacking you personally, or the other poster.

Now, the above is just brief and put together off the top of my head but if you look at all the data and the current situation in America you can clearly see there are massive issues, right?

Also, I don't believe in the monarchy it's a waste of tax payers money, I'd rather the whole royal family moved back to Germany where they belong, it would save us a few million pounds a year ;)

Btw, I think this thread was about the manning case (Haha I've forgotten after writing all that), anyway, the real issue here is why is Manning being charged and threatened with 70 years in jail for leaking a video which showed war crimes, yet the pilot and gunner who actually committed the war crime(s) aren't in any trouble at all, if these men were part of a foreign army, oh let's say Iran there would be a call for their execution.


RE: It's dead...
By Zoridon on 7/7/2010 4:48:55 AM , Rating: 2
Kennedy? you've got to be kidding. His family made their money from breaking the law in the first place by bootlegging alcohol. Two women were dead mysteriously who just happened to be associated with the kennedies; one was pregnant with johns baby and drowned conveniently as his brother Teddy drove off a bridge and the other just happened to die by drug overdose. In your eyes if a terrorist straps kids to a nuclear silo in order to keep it safe from a pre-emptive strike by America its just fine and dandy. I bet you'd be in line accusing the U.S. of war crimes. Get a clue, children are nothing more than tools by radical fundamentalist to get bleeding hearts like you stirred up against the very people that keep the world free. The U.S is not perfect by any means and at times we elect morons, but nothing is perfect. You on the other hand willingly fall into the propaganda trap if not a willing accomplice. You even spout out misleading information about American presidents. I'll quote an old war movie when a soldier tells another "Why don't you write a book about yourself and title it "How I became a crud"".


RE: It's dead...
By Daniel8uk on 7/7/10, Rating: -1
RE: It's dead...
By knutjb on 7/7/2010 3:21:03 PM , Rating: 2
OK Chamberlain, get a grip and do a little more history. Your analogy to the NAZIs is rather ludicrous. I do have an example of failing to act.

We went into Somalia to quiet things down intending to help the civilians, Black Hawk Down and Clinton pulls out, three days later the Rwandan slaughter takes place. Look it up on the map and tell me if they would have slaughtered over 800,000 CIVILIANS if we had stayed in Somalia. I don't believe that the Rwanda massacre would have happened if we had the courage to stay in the area.

If we don't do it who's going to stop it? The UN? Yeah right. Look at Somalia now. Enabling bad behavior only begets more bad behavior. Nothing like the mess from the European Colonies in africa, middle east, asia...


RE: It's dead...
By michael67 on 7/7/2010 6:02:13 AM , Rating: 1
I am not disagreeing whit you on the Federal Reserve, if Americans would really understand how it works they would burn it down properly, but apparently most Americans hate big gov. and like to vent how they think about it, but never take the time to check how mouths more they are getting screwed by the Federal Reserve.

The Richest 1% of Americans possess more wealth than the combined wealth of the bottom 90%
Read this: http://www.alternet.org/economy/145705/the_richest...

In the 70s a CEO was making 25x average worker, now its +500x.
Think about that a little more

Americans and for sure not only them, we also, should maybe pay more attention to crackpots like Noam Chomsky and people a like him.

quote:
"The war against working people should be understood to be a real war.... Specifically in the U.S., which happens to have a highly class-conscious business class.... And they have long seen themselves as fighting a bitter class war, except they don't want anybody else to know about it."
-- Noam Chomsky

Why don't they want you to know about it?
If people would really would wake up 90% of votes, out votes 1%.
I had a small hope that Obama would be more a fair for the people man, but he is just as bad as Bush, only more sneaky about it.

O yeah, and what about the news then, Uhh, is that maybe also controlled by that 1%?

But hey i am just a dumb dutch guy, ignorance is bliss ore is it now a days in bankrupt lower/middle class America?

Not saying everything is that great here in the rest of the EU, far from it, manipulation of tax rules and the truth from big money is just a global problem.

But the US is not alone in it, the City of London is as bad as Federal Reserve, as they have independent TAX/VAT rules that only benefit big money and screws everyone else over.

The more I try to look behind the PR curtain the more i hate the people in power from the UK and US.

Don't that this as a attack against America, if it is one, then more one against that 1% and not only in the US.


RE: It's dead...
By Daniel8uk on 7/7/10, Rating: 0
RE: It's dead...
By Reclaimer77 on 7/7/2010 5:35:33 PM , Rating: 2
Chomsky!!??

He's a complete hypocrite who, like most of the left, does everything he condemns others for. He's a millionaire. He's done work for the U.S military. Social parasite, economic Protectionist, and amoral defense contractor. This self appointed "champion of the ordinary guy", who blames capitalism and America for all the worlds evils, has built a highly successful career by abandoning the very ideals and principles he claims to hold dear. He took millions from the Pentagon while denouncing it as the epitome of evil.

"Do as I say, not as I do". That's the message I get from Naom Chomsky.


RE: It's dead...
By michael67 on 7/7/2010 6:56:31 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
"Do as I say, not as I do"

What is wrong whit that?

So even if he is not perfect, dose not mean what he saying is not true, and I not saying anything like "Chomsky for president" ore so.

Hear the message not the man!
Start to think for your self, and don't let FOX news ore so do it for you.

watch Adam Curtis and so, a lot he is saying i don't agree on, but he dose make you think about things twice!
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&rlz=1B3...

Its better to waste your time on him, then siting in front of the TV and waste time like that like a zombie.


RE: It's dead...
By knutjb on 7/7/2010 11:32:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Its better to waste your time on him, then siting in front of the TV and waste time like that like a zombie.
Get real, Chomsky ain't it. Try Niccolò Machiavelli's The Prince. It was a brilliant observation of human behavior and power in 1513 and amazingly accurate today. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/machiavelli/ I am not saying don't expose yourself to a variety of ideas but know the history and actions of said author to provide context. Plato makes some interesting arguments in the Republic but the sum of the Republic is quite terrifying if it were ever applied and some elitist are trying to do so.
quote:
Hear the message not the man! Start to think for your self, and don't let FOX news ore so do it for you.
Lets see, FOX tells you something different than the other networks so is that not balancing the message, OK 1:5 if you actually consider them separate sources.

If you fail to know history you will find out anyway when it repeats. There have been a lot of things throughout history I don't want to see repeated.


RE: It's dead...
By Iksy on 7/7/2010 9:06:56 AM , Rating: 2
He wasn't an officer, not even remotely close.

The only thing that was "illegal" was him accessing files he didn't understand and interpreting them out of context. Think of it as you giving your six year old daughter a bath. Out of context, you're the worst kind of sex perv who should be shot immediately.


RE: It's dead...
By knutjb on 7/7/2010 3:09:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Those innocent civilians who were killed by the helicopter pilot and gunner and those killed by the air strike deserves justice, and that can only happen when America has a transparent leadership and military which brings criminals to justice and truly aims for 'freedom'.
How do you know that they were innocent? The video? It's only one small piece of info. Just because there were a couple of reporters doesn't mean much. They were dressed in civilian clothes? What uniform do they wear? Of course the combatants would never use civies as cover now would they...

In war it's very dangerous to play arm chair quarterback with only a snippet of info. Do mistakes happen, yes. Is this one of them, I don't think so. Because the combatants know we do our best to not harm civilians they blend in with them to use them as human shields, which is a crime.

Any non-military location can become a legal military target once combatants move in with weapons, i.e. mosque, hospitals, civilian neighborhoods, etc... We choose not to attack them whenever possible, though they are legal targets, to not harm civilians. Sadly it's not always possible.

Show me any other war where so much effort has been taken to not harm the civilian population. I'll save you some time, you can't. Go look up your own war time failings before you throw rocks at others. Wasn't it the UK that pushed for and got the mass bombing on Dresden a non-military target as retribution for London?


RE: It's dead...
By RivuxGamma on 7/8/2010 8:53:07 PM , Rating: 2
Blah. Go blow Adam Curtis somewhere else. You're mucking up my screen.


Jason, are you totally deaf?
By inperfectdarkness on 7/6/2010 8:44:30 PM , Rating: 2
SPC is E-4. SPC is not O-1 through O-10.

Try referring to him as "an enlisted army intelligence specialist". He is NOT an officer--and I'm going to keep saying it until you stop giving him rank he doesn't have and isn't entitled to.




RE: Jason, are you totally deaf?
By Iksy on 7/7/2010 9:00:08 AM , Rating: 2
It doesn't sound NEARLY as sensational though if you say "19 year old peon soldier snooping on an officers computer made illegal copies of movies that he did not understand the context of and was horrified to figure out that being in the military means trying to kill bad guys and was not the free ride he thought it might be. He then proceeded to post the movies on the internet, exposing our soldiers to more danger by revealing tactics and giving comfort to the enemy, in that they could then use the film to say again how bad the Americans are."

What needs to be released are the tapes of just how sick these people are that we're fighting. You know, for example the beheading of Daniel Pearl or the other true atrocities that have been committed. Or maybe the fact that you can get stoned to death for listening to music. Not hard core rap or anything like that, any music. And you don't even know what will happen if men and women mingle. Usually it's a slow horrible death for the female while often nothing happens to the male. Maybe if he had started by watching those movies, he'd begin to understand why we're fighting and why maybe a sheet of glass here or there wouldn't be such a bad thing.

War sucks, especially for those caught in theater. The problem is, was is sanitized for us. We don't see the abyss they are looking in to. We see just numbers, and then sensationalist crap like this. This is some punk a$$ kid who thought he was cool but had no clue to what he was doing or looking at. He is not any sort of hero, he did this entirely for his own ego, which is easily seen by the fact that he's bragging about it.

This boy is not a real soldier and personally I'm ashamed of his behavior.


RE: Jason, are you totally deaf?
By Daniel8uk on 7/7/2010 9:13:26 AM , Rating: 1
Your country is fighting for resources, nothing more, nothing less and if you think that you are fighting against the evil terrorists then you have truly fell for what the government and media want you to think.

The beheading's you mentioned, would this have taken place if America had stayed out of Iraq and Afghanistan, of course it wouldn't have, because you wouldn't have these countries full of people who NOW hate America, the UK, and pretty much all western countries.

America brought on this hatred themselves, and quite frankly they deserve it, if the people of America are willing to allow their army and airforce to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, to occupy foreign sovereign lands and to allow their troops to be stationed in those countries for decades, merely to protect pipelines, oil fields and natural resources, well then that's their own problem that they now have half the world hating them.

It's our fault in the UK as well, we should have outed the government as soon as they even proposed going to war, but we didn't and now we live in a world where there is real hatred for us, and we all deserve it, because we didn't act and protect the freedom of those poor people in the middle-east.

A real soldier fights what is right, the soldiers in the middle east now are just fighting for what ever their leaders tell them to, it's not war fare, it's mass murder.


RE: Jason, are you totally deaf?
By inperfectdarkness on 7/7/2010 10:45:50 AM , Rating: 2
you could not possibly be more of a liberal takfiri apologist.

there has NEVER been enough oil in iraq to "pay for the war". likewise, there isn't enough resources in afghanistan to pay for our presence there either--either directly or in principle.

the foes we fight aren't pissed becuase we're over there now, they're pissed because they still believe they have legitimate claims to spain and other areas that they had once occupied over a milennia ago. blaming it on current actions there is a scapegoat. we were ACTIVELY ENGAGED (on friendly terms) with the taliban before 9-11. yes, the government which DIRECTLY supported al-qaeda was treated diplomatically by the US. this dates back to the days when we helped them oust the soviets from their lands. 9-11 was the "thank-you" we got for our efforts.

our continued presence in these lands is necessary because stability of the new, non-oppressive government has not yet been fully achieved. until that happens, we will be forced to serve as a peacekeeping force unless we wish to abandon those states to the totalitarian autocratic regimes that previously occupied them.

you have clearly bought into the apologist media so wholeheartedly that you have lost all sense of historic accuracy, situational awareness, aptitude for the current strategic environment, and rational logic for solutions to the current problems we face. the reason obama quickly abandoned his "bring the troops home now" rhetoric once he was elected is because he VERY quickly realized that the liberal BS he'd bought into about "can't we all just hug and get along" won't work when the enemy is hellbent on killing you or dying in the attempt.

these aren't "poor people" who are upset over economic disparity. if that WERE the case, internal revolution would be what we're witnessing. instead, it's an oligarchy of middle and upper class zealots with ample funding who make it profitable for the poor to engage in terrorist practices. the poor go where the money is. the takfiri propaganda machine did the rest. instead of mercenaries, we're being led to believe that we're actually fighting "freedom fighters" who are "upset with the prosperous US not sharing the wealth".

what an utter load of crap. you don't see india hijacking airliners for use as flying bombs; and there's a LOT more poor and disenfranchised in india than in afghanistan and iraq COMBINED.

i would give you a -11 rating if i could.


RE: Jason, are you totally deaf?
By Iksy on 7/7/2010 11:35:36 AM , Rating: 2
That's the problem, no one bothers to look into the thousands of years of history that is involved here. They just look at the last 10 years and say it's all America's fault. So what if Justinian was fighting the same wars over nearly 1500 years ago.


RE: Jason, are you totally deaf?
By smut on 7/8/2010 5:13:36 AM , Rating: 1
What makes him a liberal? I am not sure at all how his comment makes him a liberal.


By inperfectdarkness on 7/8/2010 7:58:21 AM , Rating: 2
liberals are the ones who have traditionally been ready to apologize for the actions of terrorists. the ones who keep repeating the mantra "we deserve it", and "the terrorists are just misunderstood."

conservatives are the ones who feel we should do something about terrorists; namely offer them free bullets....at muzzle velocity.


RE: Jason, are you totally deaf?
By Iksy on 7/7/2010 11:27:03 AM , Rating: 2
Wow... don't even know where to begin on this one.

Start with a simple question. How many Iranians or Iraqis do you PERSONALLY know. I know quite a few, all have no problem with America. They don't HATE us, their isolationist governments hate us because we're a threat to their power. You know, the governments that ruthlessly kill their OWN people who challenge their power. Somehow I don't think that's our fault.

"and we all deserve it, because we didn't act and protect the freedom of those poor people in the middle-east." Now that's the funniest dang thing I've seen in a while. Try studying middle east history. I'd suggest starting with the Byzantines and working your way up, then you'll have a better understanding. I've been there, listened to them brag about slaughtering camels in the middle of the road as the king went by. Our culture of equality is very threatening to them.

Anyways, you're obviously quite young and uninformed on how the real world works, so there is really no point in continuing to debate this with you. Seriously, unplug and get your own opinion. Read the histories, study the people, then make decisions. Don't repeat someone else's idiocy, use that brain you seem to have and get informed.


22 in 2010, really?
By chromal on 7/6/2010 2:28:59 PM , Rating: 2
So, I guess the guy's age makes this somewhat remarkable. If he's age 22 today in 2010, I assume he was about 19 years old when he first leaked that 2007 gun camera footage. Maybe this is a stupid question, why is a 19-year-old being given seemingly carte blanche access to the US intelligence network? Shouldn't you wait until someone has a decade or two of loyal and excellent military service before granting that kind of access?

Ah well, "19-year-old does something foolish" hardly seems remarkable. "19-year-old given the keys to the kingdom and US military intelligence data networks" is far more sensational.




RE: 22 in 2010, really?
By parithon on 7/6/2010 3:46:26 PM , Rating: 2
"Maybe this is a stupid question, why is a 19-year-old being given seemingly carte blanche access to the US intelligence network" -- chromal

People of all experience levels are needed even on classified networks; somebody needs to do the mundane work and a 10-year veteran is better suited elsewhere. Because of this fact, even first year soldiers have access to content deemed classified and even top secret information.


RE: 22 in 2010, really?
By parithon on 7/6/2010 3:48:10 PM , Rating: 2
I should also mention that NOBODY has access to everything. There are "need to know" policies on all classified material.


RE: 22 in 2010, really?
By cornelius785 on 7/6/2010 4:13:41 PM , Rating: 2
Is the 'need to know' determined by someone that 'knows' or by the individual that may 'need to know' or a combination? I find it a little odd that manning had a 'need to know' for the diplomat stuff and the video. I'm also a little surprised that 'no one' knew who accessed those diplomat files and the video as I'm expected there is an extensive log of who accessed what for digital files, maybe not so for paper documents.


RE: 22 in 2010, really?
By DominionSeraph on 7/6/2010 6:28:31 PM , Rating: 2
"Need to know" is determined by someone who knows, but it is an additional security measure, not strictly a security level. You really can't get around that data handlers need to handle the data, so they need access to the body even if they don't need to know the informational content, so "need to know" doesn't necessarily restrict access the way classification level does.

I had Top Secret clearance, access to Top Secret information, and absolutely no need to know. The only thing I needed to know was that my gear could transmit ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ 1234567890,. I didn't even need to know that the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.


RE: 22 in 2010, really?
By Iksy on 7/7/2010 9:04:08 AM , Rating: 2
The real failing here is the facility security, they are probably facing discipline charges themselves. Security audits should have caught the first time he burned an unauthorized CD. For that matter, he shouldn't even have had permission on his account to use the CD burner. Security seems to be way too loose over there for my comfort, the ISSM should be handed his a$$ in a sling.


he's a punk
By knutjb on 7/6/2010 2:17:27 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Others state that Manning lost any credibility as a legitimate whistleblower when he released the embassy cables, which he did not fully review. They point out that while the gun cam release might be whistleblowing -- akin to releasing corporate documents indicting individuals in your company in criminal activity -- that the following release amounted to a direct attack on an organization, not whistleblowing. They say that act would be akin to leaking your company's entire server records, including information on pending intellectual property.
This bonehead is not even close, nor ever was, to being a whistle blower. He didn't have even reasonable knowledge of the ROE's to place it into context, let alone understand what he was watching. Just because lawyers were looking at it doesn't mean that wrongdoing hard occurred. ROE's do change as management reassesses the effectiveness of risk management assessments for soldiers, combatants, & civilians. Nothing in war is truly clear cut.

Combatants change their behavior, the president changes his mind, and review of combat fatalities among others can change ROEs. Little private snuffy just wasn't in a position to comprehend what he released. All of you thriving on government conspiracies get over it this isn't one. It's war, not a police action.




RE: he's a punk
By The Raven on 7/6/2010 2:38:47 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that he is no whistleblower (hero). Just looking at the footage and acting as judge and jury to condemn those troops by turning that vid over to wikileaks? Not cool in my book.


RE: he's a punk
By Samus on 7/6/2010 3:22:51 PM , Rating: 2
In the end, I have concluded it was appropriate, and possibly heroic, of Lamo to turn this man in.

If left alone, more inappropriate information could have been leaked in the future. It's just too bad he wasn't flagged and turned in back in 2009 when he leaked the guncam footage. Yes, it's bogus, and yes, the military screwed up. But the pilots were following orders. Go after the people giving them those orders. The footage alone does nothing but make the military look bad and risk the lives of innocent military personel.


RE: he's a punk
By The Raven on 7/8/2010 9:45:57 AM , Rating: 2
Agreed.

From what I see on collateralmurder.com is that they are making the troops look like fools (or worse yet murderers).

But I don't see what their bias is trying to do other that pursuade people to do other than hate the US. FTR I am against the wars (though I don't blame people who are for it and call them fools). I see this video as a chance to show how war is ugly and that we shouldn't be there in the first place. I don't think that it should be used to prosecute the troops themselves or the country as a whole. Use it to criticize policy; good. Criticize the invididual troops or country as a whole; bad. IMHO.

But my point of course was that this being a debatable subject, I don't see how it is right for Manning to act as judge and jury.


arrgh!
By DominionSeraph on 7/6/2010 6:34:48 PM , Rating: 2
"To whit," not, "to wit."

Damned military lawyers have their schooling paid by the government and they can't even learn simple phrases?




RE: arrgh!
By DominionSeraph on 7/6/2010 6:38:33 PM , Rating: 2
Damn, I'm wrong. 10 seconds of Google showed it's actually "to wit," in the legal profession.
Guess they did learn well and it was my Internet Degree that failed me.


I hope they
By Argon88 on 7/6/2010 6:26:18 PM , Rating: 3
lock this traitor up and throw away the key. what a loser, i'm really glad he was caught. kudos to the hacker that turned him in, there should be a reward for that guy.




"Collateral Murder"
By The Raven on 7/6/10, Rating: 0
RE: "Collateral Murder"
By The Raven on 7/8/2010 9:33:10 AM , Rating: 2
Ok I was asking if anyone had a link to the original leaked video but got rated down. Post it please if you know where it is.

Also can someone answer the question: is "collateralmurder.com" a wikileaks site and explain how they know that? Or is it just someone using their leaked vid/pix? Thanks.


ATTN: Mick
By rs1 on 7/6/2010 3:06:39 PM , Rating: 2
Not related to this article, but your Wicked Lasers post has made CNN, and apparently helped to inspire a lawsuit between George Lucas and Wicked Lasers (probably because you put "Lightsaber" in quotes in the article headline, implying that Wicked Lasers were the ones who came up with that comparison):

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/07/06/...

Seeing as you helped cause this mess, perhaps you would like to consider publishing a retraction stating that Wicked Lasers are in no way marketed as "light sabers", and than any comparison made between the laser and a light saber was purely your own construction. That way, perhaps those of us who ordered one of these cool lasers won't have our orders disrupted by a frivolous lawsuit triggered by some inaccurate blog posts.




Damn!
By Ammohunt on 7/6/2010 3:16:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Manning could face 70 years in prison for his crimes, but escapes the death penalty ; DoD foes cry conspiracy


Damn! I guess 70 years in a Federal "pound you in the ass" prison is a fate worse than death.




Public reaction?
By DigitalFreak on 7/6/2010 7:12:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Public reaction on the incident has been mixed, as evidenced by the comments received here at DailyTech.


I think everyone agrees that Jason is a douche.




Lamo is a scrub
By seraphim1982 on 7/7/2010 9:58:52 AM , Rating: 2
I hate backstabbers like Lamo, probably pulled some backside deal with the Government. I hope he gets his due justice...

I'm glad the hacking community has shunned him, guy is a two-faced.

I applaud Manning on what he did to show the world a scandal. Although leaking other information, isn't gonna make him like a Saint in any means.




<no subject>
By Scabies on 7/6/2010 1:55:55 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Salon.com journalist Glenn Greenwald even went as far as to post to Twitter that he was having difficulty overcoming his "blinding contempt " of Lamo's actions, illustrating his clear bias.


Oh snap he tweeted that? shit just got real.

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By Tobias Funke on 7/6/2010 10:45:30 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Salon.com journalist Glenn Greenwald even went as far as to post to Twitter that he was having difficulty overcoming his "blinding contempt " of Lamo's actions, illustrating his clear bias.


Jason Mick calling someone biased? Oh the irony.




Julian Assange
By OndrejSc on 7/6/10, Rating: 0
DOD Source
By FaceMaster on 7/6/10, Rating: 0
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