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  (Source: Microsoft)
Someone let the cat out of the bag

When Microsoft recently aired exclusive details of the upcoming Windows Vista successor, Windows 7, with the release of its pre-beta to a select developer crowd at the Professional Developer Crowd, Microsoft wanted public attention for the new OS. 

However, the pre-beta has found its way into the torrent community and is burning up the download queues as everyone wants to be the first to preview the new OS.  The OS was available in both 32-bit and 64-bit versions on The Pirate Bay and Mininova as of Friday night.

Many of the copies had over a thousand downloaders.  One particularly active 32-bit copy had more than a thousand uploaders and about 7,000 downloaders.  Apparently some of the copies also weren't the ones that the developers received, according to claims.  While these copies were indeed Windows 7, they were an earlier build that did not include the taskbar updates. 

One problem plaguing downloaders was the lack of people seeding the file and the accompanying slowness of the downloads.

Some people who downloaded the build were also unimpressed by it, despite the glowing media reception.  One user stated, "There is nothing (sic) new in it.  I wouldn't recommend this to download. Waste of time. Happy with Vista."

Others cautioned downloaders to be more reserved in judging the pre-beta.  One commented, "Seriously people. This was just a PRE-beta release that was given out at a trade show so writers would write about the new version. This SHOULD NOT be downloaded with the intent of using it as an everyday system. It is just so writers could get a feel for what was to come."

Some are saying the best is yet to come, though, for Windows 7.  Many users, like Peter Menadue, who holds the role of global director of solutions and technology, Microsoft solutions business within systems integrator Dimension Data, are most excited about the upcoming business-specific bits of Windows 7.  These include revamped application security, data security, and application deployment, according to rumors.

Mr. Menadue states, "I was in Redmond three weeks ago and had a sneak peek.  I think they've done a stellar job. Sinofsky's a genius," referring to Microsoft's Steven Sinofsky, senior vice president of the Windows and Windows Live engineering group.

According to Menadue, another key perk is Microsoft's increased commitment to virtualization.  He is also happy with Microsoft's promise to maintain driver compatibility with Vista.

Jo Sweeney, adviser at analyst firm Intelligent Business Research Services, says the full featured nature of Vista will appeal to consumers during this troubled economy.  He states, "What tends to happen (in times like these) is that IT professionals get much more focused on proving and not improving.  People will (move to) Windows 7 because if they can put greater management features into it, it will solve some of the problems of desktop computing."

Appealing features like the network id management should help to cut day-to-day costs, which account for 80-percent of the standard IT budget.  Windows 7 will allow the separation of user profiles and applications from the base operating system, so that you can see someone user profile anywhere on the network.  The key question, according to Mr. Sweeney, is how the IT administrators who have already implemented these features react to the new OS.



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Build?
By inighthawki on 11/3/2008 9:09:18 AM , Rating: 2
I'm assuming this article is referring to build 6801 correct? It doesnt, by default, even have the new taskbar, and when unlocked, it is very lacking in features. Why are they really bothering to download it to test a non-functional release when a public beta is less than 2 months away?




RE: Build?
By mfed3 on 11/3/2008 9:13:49 AM , Rating: 2
Why not?

Takes an hour or two to download and then 15 minutes to install. Theres no trouble to go through and people just want to try it out. I did.


RE: Build?
By kelmon on 11/3/2008 11:06:25 AM , Rating: 2
To be fair, downloading and installing a beta is only any use if it either offers features that you need immediately or (ideally) you are planning to involve yourself by providing feedback to the developers. Downloading a beta of an OS sounds pretty silly to me unless you have a test system otherwise surely you are letting yourself in for frustration when things don't work. If you do have a test system, well, go nuts...


RE: Build?
By MrPoletski on 11/3/2008 1:21:58 PM , Rating: 5
Ah so curiosity has nothing to do with it then.


RE: Build?
By kelmon on 11/4/2008 2:39:15 AM , Rating: 2
Curiosity, as they say, killed the cat.

As I noted, if you have a test system then I don't see a problem but anyone installing a beta version of something so fundamental to your computing experience as an operating system on their day-to-day computer needs their head seeing to. Given that the shipping versions tend to be a bit of a car wreck these days, one dreads to think what an early beta is like...

Personally, I don't see the point in using a beta of an application unless your are desperate for the features that it offers or you are going to be providing the developers with feedback.


RE: Build?
By MrPoletski on 11/4/2008 6:42:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
As I noted, if you have a test system then I don't see a problem but anyone installing a beta version of something so fundamental to your computing experience as an operating system on their day-to-day computer needs their head seeing to.


And I don't think anybody smart enough to download a leaked pre-beta copy of an unreleased operating system is stupid enough to install it thinking it's going to be a problem free experience worthy of them deleting their old OS install.


RE: Build?
By tastyratz on 11/3/2008 2:43:34 PM , Rating: 4
You nailed it on the head.
quote:
unless you have a test system

All you need is a copy of virtual pc and a small amount of time.
There's no "point" to downloading it - but you do it just to see - just to be curious.

You've never watched a sneak peak behind the scenes clip on a movie your interested in seeing?


RE: Build?
By murphyslabrat on 11/3/2008 3:29:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Downloading a beta of an OS sounds pretty silly to me...

You know, I think I agree. It's just like buying a video-game, you pay $50 for hours of hard-work and frustration. I know, some people do the darndest things...

If only I had read your comment, or anything but the headline, for that matter, before I alt+tabbed to the pirate bay.


RE: Build?
By Ricardo Dawkins on 11/3/2008 11:03:18 AM , Rating: 2
You can enable the awesome bar following this trick:
http://www.withinwindows.com/2008/11/02/flashy-win...

Hope you like it.


RE: Build?
By inighthawki on 11/3/2008 12:51:55 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry if my original post didn't make it too clear, i do know you can unlock it, but it, as i said, is lacking in features. Things such as aero peek apparently don't work, so really you have an "awesome taskbar", in my opinion, with crippled and lacking features.

If you like it without the special perks not available, then sure you'll probably like whats to come to, but for those of us like myself, who are kinda weary about whther or not itll be a good idea, unlocking only "half" of it sounds kinda dumb.


Windows Live for Login?
By othercents on 11/3/2008 10:31:18 AM , Rating: 2
You really have to be kidding me right? They made Windows Live as the login screen? This must be a joke. While it might be a good idea for some people, I consistently run 3 machines and I don't want to create a separate Live account for each of them.

Other




RE: Windows Live for Login?
By Clauzii on 11/3/2008 11:07:17 AM , Rating: 1
Under the picture it says in the pre-beta version :) ie. the pirated one.

So DT feel it's ok to discuss pirated software now?


RE: Windows Live for Login?
By rudolphna on 11/3/2008 5:36:21 PM , Rating: 2
its not a pirated version. Its a leaked Pre-beta, which will be available for free download in december anwyay


RE: Windows Live for Login?
By therealnickdanger on 11/3/2008 8:34:42 PM , Rating: 2
More than likely "leaked" by Microsoft itself.


RE: Windows Live for Login?
By Clauzii on 11/4/2008 6:14:24 AM , Rating: 2
Agree. Btw. I called it a pirate version since that was the word used in the article.


Leaked ?
By greylica on 11/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Leaked ?
By thartist on 11/3/2008 3:13:46 PM , Rating: 2
this is indeed the MS product that could interest you again.


RE: Leaked ?
By Chaser on 11/3/2008 5:58:05 PM , Rating: 4
I heard a lot of good things about the Ubuntu distribution. I decided to try it. I installed it on a spare drive but it couldn't install or setup my Creative sound card. So no audio. I then tried Linespire, Xandros, the same result. Not wanting to give up I tried to Google for help which resulted in over lengthy geek speak paragraphs about OSS, ALSA, and strange folder locations. The Linspire version I downloaded from their website claiming "unprecedented hardware compatibility and applications" installed Firefox 2.2. which resulted in none of the addons I could use with Windows.

But had the audio even worked out of the "install" I would have had all these alternative apps to use in place of the ones I use regularly with weird different names and somewhat limited functionality for each. (I read and looked at them before I did the installs for each distro)

No thanks. I don't have time to reinvent the wheel for a compromise time sink O/S. I need to work, play and use my computer as quickly as possible with the least amount of complications. I'll stick with what works perfectly fine for me. Windows. I'm sure for many people not using Windows gives them a warm and happy feeling of independence. But for me its not worth it.

Enjoy your Kubunto. I'll stick with what works for me.


RE: Leaked ?
By Tesseract on 11/4/2008 3:51:55 PM , Rating: 2
Or a warm and happy feeling of having a system that does what they want. Which, tbh, happens just as much with windows, mac, and any other OS out there - it's what you like as much as anything else. And that, is why we shouldn't criticise others OS choices. ._.

IMO anyway.
and, ftr, slamd64, macOS 10.4.11 (PowerPC), Windows Vista Business.


Its the first beta, and leaked at that
By Bateluer on 11/3/2008 9:06:40 AM , Rating: 2
Did anyone really expect to use it on a production system? Its an early beta build, just for developers and nerds to play with.




By killerroach on 11/3/2008 9:59:24 AM , Rating: 5
And the Internet has more nerds than a Willy Wonka candy factory... so no wonder so many are downloading. :)


Umm....
By Spivonious on 11/3/2008 9:10:54 AM , Rating: 2
If it didn't have the taskbar improvements, then what's the point? It's probably a super early milestone build that doesn't represent what W7 was a month ago, let alone what it will be next year.

The public beta will start in early 2009, and this has been repeated by multiple sources at Microsoft. Be patient, people!




RE: Umm....
By Joey B on 11/3/2008 9:57:48 AM , Rating: 2
There are a lot more new features in Windows 7 than just the new taskbar, especially under the hood. People just want to see firsthand all of the stuff that they have been reading about. The point is to see how much has actually been improved and how much is reminiscent of Vista.


RE: Umm....
By Noliving on 11/3/2008 8:25:28 PM , Rating: 2
That right there is the problem, not everything they are reading about has been implemented yet into the OS. Like the new taskbar in the version people are downloading. Then they come out and say man this version sucks its not different at all. Well what the hell did you expect?


Get real Mick
By iFX on 11/3/2008 10:55:07 PM , Rating: 3
Your attempt to smear Windows 7 fails.

So some people download a beta copy of the OS and were unimpressed? Oh noes!!




RE: Get real Mick
By B3an on 11/4/2008 7:42:42 AM , Rating: 1
Jason PRick.


RE: Get real Mick
By therealnickdanger on 11/4/2008 8:20:21 AM , Rating: 2
Wow... really?


Drivers
By rudolphna on 11/3/2008 7:00:05 PM , Rating: 2
Im gonna try this build, but what do I do for drivers? Will the standard Vista drivers work here?




RE: Drivers
By mikefarinha on 11/3/2008 8:58:20 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, Vista Drivers should work for Win7.


"Reviewing" Windows 7
By chronodekar on 11/3/2008 10:12:29 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think it's fair to judge Windows 7 by these 'torrent' reviews. It's human nature to just try out the latest gadget/software you can get your hands on even IF you are told it's still in experimental stage.

I'd rather wait for an actual review first, before making any upgrade plans. Or at the very LEAST, if I get impatient, I'll try to get into the Beta program.




The shock and disbeleif
By SavagePotato on 11/3/2008 10:46:35 AM , Rating: 2
A build of windows that was handed out ended up on a torrent site, the world is stunned in shock.

Oh wait, that's right, almost everything gets leaked to torrent sites...

How many different Vista builds were available through it's development. Nothing will be different here.




Win 7 M3 Intent
By mikefarinha on 11/3/2008 12:22:52 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps lost on most people here is that the current release of Windows 7, Milestone 3, is that it is a feature complete version of the new Windows 7 API.

This release was intended for Windows developers, which is why it was released at the 2008 Professional Developers Conference (PDC).

All the end user goodies aren't exposed in this release.




Try both
By HostileEffect on 11/3/2008 9:20:46 PM , Rating: 2
Personally, I have no downloaded Windows 7 or React OS, but if you want to take the plunge and play with something, why not play with both?

http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html

Neither one are fully developed yet but, hey, why not try?




Windows 7 Pre Beta
By nasyesta30 on 11/4/2008 10:45:19 AM , Rating: 2
I have the build 6801 64-bit and I am pleased to say that I am impressed there are some software that dont work like Stalker Clear Sky, Google Chrome, but startup has been but in half, Far Cry 2 runs smooth on it. So if people get a chance download and try it out.




I tried it.
By Lightnix on 11/4/2008 10:58:54 AM , Rating: 2
I liked it. The paint ribbon interface works quite well, as does wordpad; both of which certainly feel more 'professional' than the Vista and XP releases. It's fast, I was running it under Virtual PC with 768MB of RAM available (no 3D desktop, though, Virtual PC's a bit crap for that), it flew once it got going. The ability to maximize windows to only half the screen is probably my favourite bit, though. And particularly as it's a pre-beta OS, it's been extremely stable for me.

No, I wouldn't be stupid enough to run a pre-release OS as my main operating system, but for a bit of a play, at the moment it's coming along really well I feel. People are far too quick to slate Microsoft operating systems. I, personally, will be moving from XP to this when the full release comes out and I'm gonna like it from what I've tried.




Leaked? Oh LOL!! .....
By on 11/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: Leaked? Oh LOL!! .....
By thartist on 11/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Leaked? Oh LOL!! .....
By on 11/4/08, Rating: -1
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