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Not enough space on that HDD of yours -- just buy another one and throw in a memory card while you're at it.

The first thing on everyone's mind when Microsoft announced its new Xbox Live Video service was how long the measly 20GB HDD would hold out. For most Xbox 360 users out there, the 20GB drive included with Xbox 360 Platinum has already been bombarded with game demos, music videos, movie and game trailers, save games and various other odds and ends. The prospects of adding high-definition movies and television shows to the mix would be enough to make the drive burst at the seams.

While Microsoft won't confirm the rumors of a possible 80GB HDD launch in the near future to give users more space for downloadable content, Aaron Greenberg, Group Product Marketing Manager for the Xbox, offers this bit of advice for those looking for more storage space:

You know what, I don’t know. At this point we’re not ready yet to roll out a bigger hard drive. I can tell you what people tell me they do to get around this. What they do is they put their Live account on a memory unit and then they have one hard drive that they put their games or related content on, and then they have another drive that they put their movies and TV on. So you know, this isn’t ideal, but there’s some ways to work around that today. If you download the content on one hard drive, and save your Live account on the memory unit, you can still have your hard drives hold all the content. That’s not a perfect workaround, but there’s some flexibility that people can do.

So Microsoft's solution is for users to buy another $99 20GB Xbox 360 hard drive and to use a $40 memory card to store your gamer profile. The simple alternative would be to just allow gamers to use their own external hard drives and USB thumb drives for downloads, but that isn't likely to

But for the adventurous folks out there, you can always perform open heart surgery on your existing hard drive enclosure and add a larger drive.

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Easy to say if you're a Microsoft employee
By aos007 on 11/8/2006 9:28:18 PM , Rating: 5
That solution makes sense for him, since it's likely the people that gave him that suggestion are his Microsoft coworkers. But one has to remember that

- their employees are VERY well paid
- even those that aren't, still qualify to buy stuff from Microsoft employee store. Where the HDD add-on costs, well, probably much less than in a retail store.

RE: Easy to say if you're a Microsoft employee
By tuteja1986 on 11/8/2006 10:23:57 PM , Rating: 3
Just do the mod like i did , i have a 200GB sata drive for my 360.

RE: Easy to say if you're a Microsoft employee
By bambamboom on 11/8/2006 10:32:10 PM , Rating: 3
Won't that violate the terms of use for XBL?

RE: Easy to say if you're a Microsoft employee
By tuteja1986 on 11/9/2006 12:02:18 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know but i can still play my games online ;( , i have used up about 35GB of space already by downloading demoes , Red vs Blue episode and Arcade games.

RE: Easy to say if you're a Microsoft employee
By XtremeM3 on 11/9/2006 12:46:10 AM , Rating: 5
As could original xbox modders...until XBL started looking for unlocked HDDs and then...HDD size. MACs were banned, accounts were banned, dogs and cats - living together...mass hysteria!!

I agree that is should be Microsoft that should offer a solution, buying multiple HDDs is not a solution. Even capability to store to USB, although not ideal, would be something. I think ideal is add the "copy to external HDD" option as well as offering a larger HDD. IMO it's win/win for MS/customer. They will get more customers for TV shows, they will be selling the larger HDDs. Customers can enjoy the service. I do not see MS saying "hey guys, crack your $h!t open and mod it up however you want" It's just not a blessing they can give, because then they get calls like, "Hey you said to do this, now my box is's your fault" they can't even put themselves in the position for that to happen.

I hope that MS will get this solved. I've been impressed with the 360 so far, and I loved the xbox. A great box with tons of functionality ;)


By Scabies on 11/9/2006 1:11:07 AM , Rating: 1
I hadnt thought of the win-win-win thing. Consumers buy a new, larger drive. Sale for MS, and the customer has the satisfaction of having the new, larger drive. Then, with the extra space, the consumer has the freedom to buy more online content from MS. Again, another sale for MS, and added value to the drive that the consumer purchased.
so, DO IT!

RE: Easy to say if you're a Microsoft employee
By glennpratt on 11/9/2006 1:29:17 AM , Rating: 2
Screenshot please... thanks.

If you can do this, I'd love to know how... I honestly cannot believe if this were possible, it wouln't be proven fact all over the net... I would absolutely LOVE to be proven wrong.

To the above reply: If this is just a 1:1 copy, I don't see this as a DMCA violation since you aren't cracking the encryption, though it may be a EULA violation... which is probably legal anyway.

By otispunkmeyer on 11/9/2006 7:26:10 AM , Rating: 2
its really not hard, theres a guide somewhere on the net and its goes a little something like this

take out xbox hdd, get bigger hdd (since they are just 2.5inch laptop drives) attach both via sata to your computer, ghost the original on to the new, put the new back in the xbox enclosure, pop back on the xbox, and thats it.

nothing more to it than that really

RE: Easy to say if you're a Microsoft employee
By glennpratt on 11/9/2006 11:24:33 AM , Rating: 2
I know the process, but I want to see proof. A picture of your free space from the dashboard with your moms webcam will suffice. Everything I've read on the modding forums says it's BS. If it's not GREAT! I will buy a 160 GB SATA drive today.

But for such a simple mod, I've seen shockingly little evidence it works.

RE: Easy to say if you're a Microsoft employee
By bobsmith1492 on 11/9/2006 12:01:54 PM , Rating: 2
Read the freakin' post....

and I quote:

"But for the adventurous folks out there, you can always perform open heart surgery on your existing hard drive enclosure and add a larger drive."

It's the very last line and includes a link.

By glennpratt on 11/9/2006 1:57:01 PM , Rating: 2
I've read that, as I said I know the process. I've also never seen any proof it works and I've seen several people post on modding forums that it's total BS. Seriously, try to find some evidence on google that it works.

RE: Easy to say if you're a Microsoft employee
By Aeneas on 11/8/2006 11:28:42 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft Employee Store price for 20GB HDD: $75

RE: Easy to say if you're a Microsoft employee
By Clauzii on 11/8/2006 11:30:52 PM , Rating: 1
That's a ripoff!

By Clauzii on 11/11/2006 10:22:04 AM , Rating: 2
It's a ripoff, when the employee can get a 20 GB for approx. $30 on the free market.

RE: Easy to say if you're a Microsoft employee
By Trisped on 11/9/2006 12:57:18 PM , Rating: 2
That is not the point, he even says he doesn't like the work around. The point is that he is saying there is a work around.

As for open heart surgery, it wouldn't be that hard for third party producer to make an enclosure. All it would be is 1-2 pieces of plastic, 8 wires, and 3 connectors, one for power, one for SATA, and one for connecting to the 360. Then you could make it use 2.5" or 3.5" HDD (though 3.5 would probably need to have its own power supply)

By dice1111 on 11/10/2006 10:45:01 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, very easy.
I believe, however, that MS could then sue the pants off them over some sort of product/patient/whatever infringment.

Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By UserDoesNotExist on 11/8/2006 10:37:43 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, someone's pulling a Sony here. At least, in Mircosoft's defense, it's Aaron Greenberg (Group Product Marketing Manager for the Xbox) and not their various regional CEOs that stuck his foot in his mouth. And in the large scheme of things, it is a relatively minor gaffe, not nearly on the level of "The PS3 is underpriced and our competition is overpriced" and "European gamers don't mind waiting." A marketing person giving you the solution to buy more of their product isn't exactly a freak occurance. What is a "Group Product Marketing Manager" anyway?

360 Fanboy that I am, I'm still having a hard time trying to understand why Microsoft is rolling out this service now. It seems like a bad move, given the limited hard drive space and the whole DRM fiasco. The best I've been able to come up with is that they have a 60 GB+ hard drive that's coming out soon, and they just want to do a live real-world test of the delivery mechanism of the Live downloads before they put it into full swing. Then again, I might just be overthinking the situation, and Microsoft's made a strategic blunder. This is the company that released Windows ME, after all.

RE: Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By Clauzii on 11/8/2006 11:14:46 PM , Rating: 1
Regarding waiting: I'm European - I've waited so far ;)

RE: Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By theapparition on 11/9/2006 7:51:12 AM , Rating: 2
What other choice do you have?

RE: Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By Clauzii on 11/9/06, Rating: 0
RE: Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By CrazyBernie on 11/9/2006 7:28:49 PM , Rating: 3
BUT: IF SONY screws it up (unlikely to happen now!), I WILL hunt them down, and show them a place where the Sun ain't rising again!

LOL, Unlikely? They've been screwing up left and right lately... rootkits, blu-ray (ok, this one is somewhat arguable), batteries... what's to stop them from continuing the trend? Start polishing your boots/gun/bat, my friend ;)

RE: Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By Clauzii on 11/9/2006 9:43:05 PM , Rating: 1
The PS3 is in it's own part of SONY Coorperation, I think :)

They can blow up ALL their batteries if they want to, timing it with the launch of the PS3 could be a blast, make RootKit the name for a PS3 stand, and whatever they can put into the "Big Blast Battery Show" - As long as PS3 will be released.

PS: It doesn't run on batteries anyway ;) And the rootkit thing is long gone...

RE: Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By InsidiousAngel on 11/10/2006 7:38:51 AM , Rating: 2
To start, I own a PS2, Gamecube, Xbox, & 360, so no fanboyism here. But if you remember, back in July on DailyTech, there was an article discussing that IBM is only getting 10-20% yield on the Cell processor with all 8 cores. And that Sony authorized PS3's in the beginning will be getting 7-core & 8-core Cell chips. This means that the built in redundancy into the chip (if/when a core fails) will not be there for a lot of systems. So with Sony’s run of bad luck with hardware, you can not rule this out, at least in the beginning. Just my 2 cents. =)

RE: Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By Clauzii on 11/10/2006 7:43:42 PM , Rating: 1
I think they only intended 7 SPEs all the time. I know it's delayed - I just don't mind :)

RE: Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By CrazyBernie on 11/10/2006 2:49:36 PM , Rating: 2
PS: It doesn't run on batteries anyway ;)

But the wireless controllers do... ;)

RE: Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By Clauzii on 11/10/2006 7:46:29 PM , Rating: 1
Oops - Yes.

So SONYs rumble is hidden in the batteries, giving it capability to simulate real life explosions ;)

RE: Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By Clauzii on 11/11/2006 10:27:38 AM , Rating: 2
People don't see the fun in this????

RE: Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By Clauzii on 11/11/2006 10:16:25 AM , Rating: 2

RE: Microsoft Defense and Criticism
By Clauzii on 11/11/2006 6:57:10 PM , Rating: 2
And please sorry for my language, I was a bit "offset", but 10 votes down in one day - I don't like :)

By Clauzii on 11/8/2006 9:30:08 PM , Rating: 5
For a 20GB harddrive is WAY too much. Even if it is XBox360 "Certified".


RE: $99
By glennpratt on 11/9/2006 1:39:06 AM , Rating: 2
Definately overpriced. Now if you want to see absolute rape, go price a 64mb CF card or 256mb PC 133 memory from Cisco (specified for thier routers). It's enough to make you cry (and no, there is nothing special about them other then the Golden Gate logo).

RE: $99
By Tim Thorpe on 11/9/2006 2:30:25 AM , Rating: 3
That logo adds 15HP to your memories ;)

RE: $99
By BZDTemp on 11/9/2006 3:57:38 AM , Rating: 2
Small stuff - check out what Microsoft charges for a patch cable which they call a XBOX link cable. Talk about taking advantage of the mos and pops not knowing anything of computers.

RE: $99
By glennpratt on 11/9/2006 2:23:03 PM , Rating: 2
$14.99 MSRP? It's not great, but at the time it probably was comperable to the Belkin type 25ft crossover cable that were you probably couldn't find at your average electronic store. The cable was never meant for people who had networks.

RE: $99
By L1NUXownz1fUR1337 on 11/9/2006 11:51:56 PM , Rating: 2

welcome to miCro$haft. Please bend over again.

Linux : because we don't take it up the ash.

By Xorp on 11/8/2006 9:38:27 PM , Rating: 1
RE: ha
By shiftomnimega on 11/9/2006 8:36:50 AM , Rating: 2
Is that the same Samsung drive that they use? I was pretty sure that Anandtech's article said that it was an OEM drive specifically for the 360.

RE: ha
By casket on 11/9/2006 9:23:22 AM , Rating: 2
20 Gig Notebook Sata drives go for $35 these days. And that's not in bulk.

100 Gig Notebook Sata drives go for $95. It might be nice to put in an 80 ($65) or 100 Gig Notebook drive. We'll have to see if the Video Marketplace makes this necessary.

RE: ha
By CrazyBernie on 11/9/2006 7:33:35 PM , Rating: 2
Now someone just needs to design a docking style bay for the 360 so you can swap drives at will :D

RE: ha
By glennpratt on 11/11/2006 6:52:56 PM , Rating: 2
I take it you haven't used a 360 HDD...

Pay Attention People
By Topweasel on 11/9/2006 11:29:01 AM , Rating: 2
He did not say that this was a good solution, he even stated that they need sell a larger drive, all he stated was that this was a possible solution.

If it was Sony, they would say, Everyone should be happy they have a 20GB drive and do to people buying accessories, they will by the add on Hard drive over and over again and like it.

He was asked a question, and he gave one of the few legit answers that available at this time. I really think a 100GB drive is on its way (80 at the smallest), but like the Possibility of an integrated HD-DVD drive they can't announce it till its available because it will affect the current sales of available hardware.

RE: Pay Attention People
By Topweasel on 11/9/2006 4:57:42 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, nice All I basically said is the guy gave an intelligent answer to a question and was not suggesting as an actual solution and people lower the rating. Was my comments wrong, did I offend somebody? Or did a couple of people disagree with me. Its fine to disagree, but people have rights to their opinions.

RE: Pay Attention People
By Clauzii on 11/9/2006 10:07:30 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, shooting all over, like DT is a FPS, itchy in the trigger button ;)

RE: Pay Attention People
By Clauzii on 11/9/2006 10:08:47 PM , Rating: 2
Btw. Your post was good :)

By Clauzii on 11/8/2006 9:50:21 PM , Rating: 1
I put some Votes in "Vista Goes Gold". I had three votes left - only two of them counted. Where did the last one go????

By Clauzii on 11/8/2006 10:32:32 PM , Rating: 1
Knew sort of, it would be rated down, but come on: I'm not BSing..

Nobody else experienced this??

By Tim Thorpe on 11/9/2006 2:36:23 AM , Rating: 2
Have no clue what could be going on there, if you reply to a topic after you have voted in that topic and you haven't spent all your vote you lose them so that could be it. If you continue to have problems try logging out, clearing your cookies, history and internet cache and log in again and see if that doesn't fix it.

If you are STILL having issues, take screenshots of any errors your receive and note the time that it happened and send it to bugs[no spam]

By Clauzii on 11/9/2006 1:09:01 PM , Rating: 2
No, it's just when I vote. No writing at all. But thanks, I'll try grabbing if it happens again :)

By willow01 on 11/9/2006 6:21:57 PM , Rating: 2
Is it true that the PS3's HDD is actually replaceable with a standard hdd (whatever size it is) bought off of the shelf? Or is this something that I have misread somewhere.

By Scabies on 11/9/2006 6:48:59 PM , Rating: 2
"HDD: 2.5" Serial ATA (60GB)" (this is the $600 bundle obviously)
also on the faq
"08. How can you upgrade the 20GB hard drive?
PLAYSTATION®3 hard disk drive is removable and upgradable. You can upgrade the drive by removing the hard drive and replacing it with a larger capacity drive."

By riconelly on 11/10/2006 2:34:56 AM , Rating: 2
i would highly doubt "any" hard drive. That most likely means "replace with larger, overpriced Sony branded PS3 hard drive"

Somehow in the overpriced accessory department, i dont think they would let any hard drive work.

LOL look at all the xbox fanbois here
By michal1980 on 11/9/06, Rating: 0
By CrazyBernie on 11/9/2006 7:42:56 PM , Rating: 3
Yes and the "M$" just proves that you're nothing but a hater... seriously, I never understood the reasoning behind taking the extra effort to press the shift-2.... do you feel 1337 now??

And a screw up is a screw up, anyway you look at it. I don't think Microsoft or Sony are looking to do anything but make money off all of this. That's why I currently don't own either system. Although, I AM getting a 360 for GoW (hooray for killer apps)... of course I don't intend on wasting my time watching movies on my 360, so I could care less if the drive is only 20gb. If MS wants to lose sales because they have a too small hard drive, well, they'll figure it out soon enough.

By Clauzii on 11/11/2006 11:30:26 AM , Rating: 2
I totally agree.

$5 a gig for a hard drive!?
By jon1003 on 11/9/2006 1:58:46 AM , Rating: 2
$5 a gig!? I'm used to paying 25 cents a gig for hard drives. That's a nasty markup, or they're getting raped on manufacturing costs. It doesn't help that the drive is so puny also. They would get way better prices per gig if they went with something bigger. Even the days of 80GB laptop drives are coming to an end with 100gb more common now, and 160gb drives hitting the higher end market.

By theapparition on 11/9/2006 7:55:58 AM , Rating: 2
It's a fair price because you also get that nifty little removable drive case. /sarcasm

By obeseotron on 11/8/2006 10:15:32 PM , Rating: 3
Microsoft and Sony make their money on licensing fees for games and overpriced peripherals, period. MS could solve this easily by letting people put media on any external USB device. If they were concerned about piracy or gamerscore cheating they could only allow media on external devices and not gamesaves or executables. Instead they would rather sell us a new drive at an absurd markup. Then again, if you paid what things cost plus a reasonable markup, the 360 would cost $600 and the PS3 $850, which wouldn't be a reasonable way to get people to buy into a product.

hey Ber. Crazy....
By michcool125 on 11/9/2006 9:46:02 PM , Rating: 1
I believe it's the shift 4 for the $ instead of shift 2 as you stated. I suggest taking a basic keyboarding class to learn the layout.

The reason people take the extra effort to put the $ isnt because of "l33t speak" or whatever, but say Micro$oft is all about money. $=money money in da bank. get it?

RE: hey Ber. Crazy....
By CrazyBernie on 11/10/2006 2:52:48 PM , Rating: 2
Oh..... now I see....

like this: "$ony" right?


By themusgrat on 11/8/2006 9:29:23 PM , Rating: 2
Of course, why not? Why not charge another billion bucks for a $15 drive? Why not continue to rip people off? Then again, how much money does MS lose per 360? So maybe it all evens out, though I still cringe at the thought of buying a 360 hard drive separately.

By fil6786 on 11/8/2006 9:41:10 PM , Rating: 2
what this guy think. Were not loaded like he is. This sounds more like something Sony would say. Seriously why would i want to buy another hard drive. Just so I can watch some HD reruns. NOT worth it.

By HaZaRd2K6 on 11/8/2006 9:41:52 PM , Rating: 2
odds in ends

Should be odds and ends.

By Scabies on 11/8/2006 11:29:28 PM , Rating: 2
well, it is somewhat understandable that microsoft would NOT want to release a larger drive. Consider, the XBOX 360 is a good amount below expectations, by way of sales. Therefore, we can assume that somewhere in the world is a stockpile of '360 peripherals and such that no one bought. If Microsoft were to release a 80, 100+ GB drive, wouldnt that pile of $100 20GB drives become even more useless?

Though we're fairly certain that MS doesnt listen to consumers directly (and instead does studies based on sales or pull some discreet 'Big Brother' action) I will go ahead and make a suggestion. Perhaps an external RAID (JBOD) type device could be designed and released to house multiple '360 HDDs. A waste of resouces, sure, but coupled with a reduction in 20GB price, maybe they could push more drives out of the warehouses. Either that, or perhaps backwards streaming FROM the xbox to the PC, and then you could just play your videos over the network.

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