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Microsoft's Xbox 360 Halo Special Edition
Price cuts are on the way for the Xbox 360

Many expected Microsoft to announce Xbox 360 price cuts across the board at this year’s E3. After Sony's announcement of a $100 price cut for the PlayStation 3 , Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter predicted that Microsoft would slash the price of the Xbox 360 Elite, Premium and Core systems to $399, $349 and $249 respectively.

For those that labored through Microsoft’s E3 keynote, there was no such announcement. So if you were disappointed with Microsoft's E3 keynote and the announcement of a Halo 3-themed Xbox 360 instead of price cuts, this bit of news may make your ears perk up.

According to Microsoft Game Studios VP Shane Kim, a price cut is in store for the Xbox 360 game console. In an interview with Bloomberg, Kim talked of competing with the Nintendo Wii and revealed that "We need to compete effectively for that customer and part of that is getting to the mass market price point for the console. We definitely are working on that area."

Kim declined to give a date for when the price cut would occur, but a holiday 2007 price cut would do wonders for the platform along with the release of Halo 3 and Grand Theft Auto 4. “The timing depends on a lot of different factors and we'll just keep evaluating those,” said Microsoft’s Robbie Bach.

The price cuts may be financially feasible for Microsoft once the 65nm Falcon chips start rolling off the assembly line . According to Dean Takahashi, the 65nm IBM processor and ATI graphics chip are 50 percent cheaper to produce than their 90nm counterpart and also run cooler.

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360 vs PS3
By SiN on 7/12/2007 5:21:52 PM , Rating: 2
Its clear to us all how Wii has won, and the other 2 seem to just flex their muscles at each other dismissing nintendo. Personaly i think the PS3 price drop is tightning the noose on MS, i own a 360, but i'm also aware that the PS3 is a capable machine, much like xbox vs ps2. If i had the money, i'd also buy a PS3, my friend has the wii, and it is a gathering of friends machine. However, before anyone starts to slag MS, i might just point out that a significant price cut around the release of GTA might just nudge them further ahead of Sony.

We'll just have to see how the PS3 price cut fairs out, is it just like the release of it when people bought it in droves and then relaxed?

RE: 360 vs PS3
By joemoedee on 7/12/2007 5:32:24 PM , Rating: 4
I'd have to say its too early in the game to say Wii has won, or to say any have won.

Once the prices level out, and games become more plentiful (For all systems), then we'll be able to tell who "wins".

I definitely feel that Sony will be more competitive with the lower price tag, however it still will serve more of a niche market until the price comes down further to a consumer comfortable price range. (Or until the consumer decides they want a HD movie format player. That is where it's value lies currently, as a game system plus HD movie player)

MS needs to get their quality up to par, and do it quickly. I enjoy my Xbox to this day, and I enjoyed playing the 360. However the quality of the 360... if I'm dropping that amount of money on a console, I want to have confidence that it will work.

Nintendo... they're doing great. I just want to see more quality games available, or else it too will ultimately fall into a niche market.

All in due time... but at least one good thing is coming from the competition... Lower prices for the consumer!

RE: 360 vs PS3
By Etsp on 7/12/2007 5:51:32 PM , Rating: 5
No... there is a clear winner. That winner is IBM. Who makes the main CPU in the Xbox360? IBM. Who is responsible for making the Cell Processors of the PS3? IBM. Who Designed the CPU in the Wii? IBM.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By FITCamaro on 7/12/07, Rating: -1
RE: 360 vs PS3
By tuteja1986 on 7/13/2007 12:57:30 AM , Rating: 4
Microsoft doesn't really need to a price but I am so pissed off with sony :! they announced that around August sony will release a new starter pack instead of price drop.

USA $499 ($499 USD)
Europe $599 euro (825 USD)
Australia $1000AUD (864 USD)
UK 400 pound ($812 USD)

360 doesn't need a price drop as its got triple AAA title coming every month till the end of this year which will not be coming PS3.
Bioshock : August
Blue Dragon : August
Halo 3 : September
PGR 4 : September
GTA 4 with 2 exclusive expansion pack : October
Mass effect : November
Lost odyssey : December

Then you get all major 3rd party title that will come out for both platform
Rock Band , Internal Sonata , Burnout Paradise , Assassin's Creed , Devil May Cry 4 , Soulcalibur IV , Virtual Fighter 5 with online and lots more.

So when sony actually does a price drop world wide i don't see them getting the huge sales and this year sony has no exclusive triple AAA RPG coming out which is amazing as sony console are know for having great rpg.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By paydirt on 7/13/2007 8:51:15 AM , Rating: 2
Their line-up of games is excellent, for certain. There will be many people buying the console for a specific game. It these cases, people will HOPE for a price drop, but if it doesn't drop in price and that game they REALLY want to play comes out, they're going to buy the 360. Plus, most consumers don't sit and pine on the Internet waiting for price drops.

I myself bought a 360 because of Mass Effect (probably a one-year or nine-month exclusive) and Bioshock (I won't have to spent $250 to upgrade my PC's graphics card just to play the game)... and I'm very intrigued by Too Human (Jan 08 release). I believe Mass Effect will raise the bar for its genre.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By odiHnaD on 7/13/2007 2:17:01 PM , Rating: 2
I would be very surprised to see Mass Effect go multi platform (excluding PC that is) Bioware has been in bed with MS for the past 6 years or so and none of their recent titles (KOTOR 1&2, Jade Empire) made a jump to the hugely more successful (at the time) PS2, with that being said I think it would be highly unlikely for them port Mass Effect to a console with only 1/3 of the market share (as of now). Just my .02

RE: 360 vs PS3
By BladeVenom on 7/12/2007 7:39:49 PM , Rating: 2
Second place to ATI then, they made the graphics chip for both the Wii and the 360.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By ChipDude on 7/12/07, Rating: 0
RE: 360 vs PS3
By BladeVenom on 7/12/2007 9:58:48 PM , Rating: 4
But, we are talking about consoles . How well is Intel or Samsung doing in the console market?

RE: 360 vs PS3
By MonkeyPaw on 7/13/2007 7:56:18 AM , Rating: 2
I'd say Intel is doing well to NOT be in the console market. Do you think Intel couldn't make a console chip? Let's look at it this way:

Why would AMD or Intel want the console market? If I were a CPU manufacturer, I would much rather have the x86 desktop market over the cost-cutting console market. The volumes are higher for x86, and the profit margin is far better. IBM sells Cell/BE to Sony for $89. Intel sells Core2 chips from $90 up to $950+. In other words, Intel is making more profit per CPU on its C2D line, AND they get to sell more CPUs. Even the CPUs they sell for almost nothing are salvaged chips that would otherwise be scrapped. Put another way: Cell has almost the same number of transistors as Conroe, Conroe is already at 65nm, and Intel sells Conroe for more than Cell (at least when it's sold to PS3). Suddenly, I don't feel so sorry for Intel anymore.

So what about the die shrink for Cell? It won't help profits much, since Sony is going to expect a lower price from IBM for a CPU that's cheaper to produce. The older a console gets, the cheaper it gets, so the each component costs less. While IBM is making CPUs for consoles that retail from $250 to $599, Intel is making CPUs for Apple instead of IBM--a far more profitable client than a console maker.

The Wii and 360 are no different for IBM, so I wouldn't exactly call IBM a big winner, especially since IBM gets very little brand recognition being in any console--most of the credit and advertising goes to Sony, MS, and Nintendo.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By weskurtz0081 on 7/12/2007 11:42:32 PM , Rating: 2
If I remember correctly, IBM makes alot more money than Intel does. So, even without the console market, IBM is doing just fine for R&D.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By Master Kenobi on 7/13/2007 8:10:53 AM , Rating: 4
IBM's primary form of revenue is selling software systems. They sell you a block of servers, and they load up some software system on it, tie it into your network, etc.....

IBM makes very little on the raw hardware, it's mostly the support/software that goes with it that they make the killing on.

-IBM Competes with Sun and Microsoft in their major markets.

-IBM Competes with Intel and Sun in the RISC Processor market (High End Servers).

-IBM Competes with Telco's and Contract companies to provide solutions to the U.S. Government.

-IBM Competes with Oracle in the database market (See IBM DB2 vs Oracle10g)

Any questions?

RE: 360 vs PS3
By weskurtz0081 on 7/13/2007 9:02:17 AM , Rating: 2
Do they make more money than Intel?

RE: 360 vs PS3
By AsicsNow on 7/12/2007 5:49:44 PM , Rating: 1
Wii hasn't won versus those two systems. It created a new nitche, effectively removing itself from competing with them. We'll inevitably see a lot more people with a Wii and a 360/PS3 than we will ever see with a PS3 and a 360 (even if price wasn't as large of an issue) because the Wii is filled with almost entirely exclusive games while the other two share the majority of thier game libraries (aside from the few big time exclusives).

The Wii titles with the same names as thier "big brothers" on the PS3/360 will continue to be as different from those versions as they are from say a DS game sharing the same name. (Of course there are some exceptions to this)

RE: 360 vs PS3
By B on 7/12/2007 6:20:12 PM , Rating: 5
We must have different definitions of a niche. If your definition of a niche is selling your product to the broader market and further increasing the breadth of that market, then yes Nintedo has created a niche for itself.

"The Wii has been outselling the PlayStation 3, launched at the same time, by four to one in the US and by six to one in Japan." -Source, The Financial Times

RE: 360 vs PS3
By joemoedee on 7/12/2007 6:37:58 PM , Rating: 3
The Wii is in what I would consider the price range that the majority of video game consumers are comfortable in. ($199-$299)

If all systems were the same price, with equal availability, I personally believe we would not see the Wii dominating the sales.

Obviously we may never see a full featured Xbox 360 or PS3 for the same price as a Wii, due to their added tech and more powerful/expensive hardware. However as they get closer in price, the sales gap will decrease or may swing away from the Wii totally.

As the other systems come down in price, Nintendo will need to continue to release fun and innovative games, or else it will hold the niche marketplace or just be another fad.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By timmiser on 7/13/2007 1:44:59 PM , Rating: 2
The Wii is in what I would consider the price range that the majority of video game consumers are comfortable in. ($199-$299)

In theory that would be correct, but when have you ever seen a Wii system available in that price range? Usually you have to spend well over that to get the Wii as part of a game bundle.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By omnicronx on 7/12/07, Rating: -1
RE: 360 vs PS3
By kkwst2 on 7/12/2007 7:48:40 PM , Rating: 5
It would be nice if you would comprehend and think before name-calling. The GP was not questioning whether that the Wii was a different market, but calling it a niche market. It implies it is a small subset of some greater market. It does seem a bit odd to call a device that has more market share than the other two a niche market.

I certainly understand the point of the GGP, that it is potentially targeting a different segment, but I also agree with the GP that calling it a niche market is not quite correct. Your point, however, makes me think you're not quite clear on the definition of "niche".

At any rate, I wouldn't say the GP (or parent) is definatly [sic] an idiot. I might think it, but I wouldn't say it.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By redbone75 on 7/12/2007 7:52:09 PM , Rating: 4
And exactly what do you think is going to happen at the conclusion of this particular console war if Nintendo retains its commanding lead in sales? Here's how I see it:

Nintendo and Microsoft both took a back seat to the PS2 in the last generation of consoles, both ending with smaller installed user bases. This gen, MS came out the gate first and thus built a nice little lead for itself. Sony grossly overestimated the loyalty of its customers, thinking that clout and name alone would move the PS3 no matter its price. Nintendo was and continues to be the surprise hit with strong demand for its little "underpowered" console. If this trend continues, how many developers do you think are going to be eyeing Nintendo, especially if Nintendo decides to compete all out in the next console release with power and HD capabilities?

You can call the Wii a niche product all you want, but this is still the gaming industry. All of those grandmas and moms and girlfriends that are falling in love with the Wii are just expanding Nintendo's user base in ways that the "traditional" console never did. When the hype starts for the next generation of consoles Nintendo will likely have some serious 3rd party backing, and we all know if the games are there the sales will be there.

Like I said, this is just how I see it, but isn't this a little how the market works? So, please, don't call anyone here an idiot just because you disagree with them. Your view might not be as clear as you yourself think it is. And, as always, I may not disagree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it=)

RE: 360 vs PS3
By redbone75 on 7/12/2007 7:53:21 PM , Rating: 3
By the way that post was directed at omnicronx

RE: 360 vs PS3
By paydirt on 7/13/2007 8:57:45 AM , Rating: 1
Just because the Wii is in a lot of hands doesn't make them a winner. It gives Nintendo a lot of leverage and they can do a lot with their console sales. BUT... Have you played the Wii? Did you get bored with it after a short fashion?

I envision the Wii just as easily collecting dust compared to being a focus for entertainment.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By Flunk on 7/13/2007 9:49:01 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, when it comes to the current console race Wii is winning by miles. You have to remember that in business the winner is the company that makes the most money, not moves the most units or entertains the most people. Because the Wii hardware is profitable by itself Nintendo doesn't need to rely on revenue from software to make back the costs of manufacturing.

In short, it doesn't matter how many Wiis are sitting around unused. It only matters how much Nintendo manages to make off of it before the public gets tired of it.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By Goo on 7/13/2007 9:59:04 AM , Rating: 2
I am 33yr male and I game since Apple II w/ 5.25in floppy disk, dual floppy I should add. I have PS1/2, xbox, dreamcast, gamecube and wii. And I power up the wii at least 4 times a week.

Did I answer your question?

RE: 360 vs PS3
By SmokeRngs on 7/13/2007 4:21:16 PM , Rating: 2
It created a new nitche, effectively removing itself from competing with them.

Your explanation does not use the standard definition of niche. The Wii is a game console that plays games. The average paying public is purchasing these consoles to play games. That does not sound like a niche by definition at all. It's the exact same thing the other two console makers are trying to do. It just happens that the Wii is killing the other two in current sales.

The hardware that makes up the consoles doesn't matter. All three use different hardware to do the same thing: sell hardware and software to the mass public.

I find it interesting how the Wii was part of the console wars until it started outselling the other two consoles. At that point, it didn't seem to be in competition anymore. You can say and claim anything you want but it does not change the fact that all three consoles are in a race together and the Wii is winning in current console sales.

If you want an example of a niche console, that would be the old Neo Geo. That console was not targeted at the general public but at a small group that could actually afford it. It made no pretenses otherwise.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By ZimZum on 7/12/2007 9:05:55 PM , Rating: 2
Correct me if Im wrong but doesnt the 360 still have the lead in installed user base by about 5 million or so?

RE: 360 vs PS3
By DFranch on 7/13/2007 8:36:51 AM , Rating: 2
Yes the 360 has a pretty big lead, but the Wii is currently selling twice as many units per month, and at this pace will catch the 360 unless something happens. Perhaps a price drop on the 360 will kick start sales, or maybe when Halo 3 comes out.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By paydirt on 7/13/2007 9:02:38 AM , Rating: 1
The 360 got 1-year's jumpstart on the Wii and PS3. So, it's "lead" is very subjective. Wii is actually in the lead for # of consoles sold in the first 8 months, followed by 360 & PS3. The PS3 is actually somewhat close to how the 360 sold in year 1.

RE: 360 vs PS3
By JCheng on 7/14/2007 6:44:42 PM , Rating: 3
The PS3 is actually somewhat close to how the 360 sold in year 1.

But keep in mind, the PS3 is demand-constrained--not enough people want them. The 360 was supply-constrained--they couldn't build them fast enough.

For GTA I might
By Nik00117 on 7/12/2007 5:34:59 PM , Rating: 2
For GTA I might cave in esp if it was only 250 for a xbox.

RE: For GTA I might
By Protagonist42 on 7/12/2007 6:01:48 PM , Rating: 2
Keep in mind that GTA4 might require a hard drive, something that the $249 model won't have. Upgrading from the Core to the Premium would be all but required for new XBox users. Either that or buy a hard drive.

RE: For GTA I might
By creathir on 7/12/2007 6:49:00 PM , Rating: 3
The only games that require a HD are ones that have lots of downloadable online content, such as MMOs.

I would be absolutely SHOCKED if GTA4 required a HD.

- Creathir

RE: For GTA I might
By 9nails on 7/12/2007 11:42:17 PM , Rating: 3
Required is a relative term. Is it acceptable to have a $399+ console system that takes 1 minute+ to load a level? If you can cache the images and audio to a HD and gain 40+ seconds on loading levels, it's worth it to use a HD? The way I see it, all of the high resolution games would benefit from a HD for that simple reason.

Required, to play a game no.

Required for the experience to the players, yes.

RE: For GTA I might
By sviola on 7/13/2007 8:53:55 AM , Rating: 2
Isn't GTA 4 going to have exclusive levels available at the Xbox Live? How do you expect to play them without an HDD?

By crystal clear on 7/13/2007 3:15:39 AM , Rating: 2
If M.S. is expected to announce price cuts-they did announce the following-

Microsoft has admitted that every one of the 11.6 million Xbox 360 consoles sold in the past 19 months suffers from a design flaw that could cause the device to fail .

The firm will extend the warranty coverage from one to three years to compensate consumers, but does not plan to instate a recall or exchange programme.

Microsoft gaming chief Robbie Bach claimed in a conference call with financial analysts that the design issues surfaced recently.

"In the past couple of months we started to see significant increases in repair requests and call requests and significant attention from people," he said.

Also this-

Open Letter From Peter Moore
To our Xbox Community:

You've spoken, and we’ve heard you. Good service and a good customer experience are areas of the business that we care deeply about. And frankly, we've not been doing a good enough job.

Some of you have expressed frustration with the customer experiences you have had with Xbox 360; frustration with having to return your console for service after receiving the general hardware error message on the console.

The majority of customers who own Xbox 360 consoles have had a terrific experience from their first day, and continue to, day in and day out. But when anyone questions the reliability of our product, or our commitment to our customers, it's something I take very seriously.

We have been following this issue closely, and with on-going testing have identified several factors that can cause a general hardware failure indicated by three flashing red lights on the console. To address this issue, and as part of our ongoing work, we have already made certain improvements to the console.

Amounts like the above deserve a RECALL or Exchange programme-are they crazy to repair instead of recalling those consoles !

By crystal clear on 7/13/2007 3:23:40 AM , Rating: 2
Whats the REPAIR BILL ?.............

Microsoft estimated that the repairs will cost the company $1.05bn to $1.15bn, spilt evenly between the higher than expected return rates for existing consoles under the one-year warranty, and future returns under the extended warranty period.

(the same link as above)

$1.05bn to $1.15bn is certainly NOT small change !

By Motley on 7/13/2007 3:40:37 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the Big Bold Letters , but that's your assessment, NOT what Microsoft said, or admitted. Almost all complex electronic devices get improvements over thier lifetime. And yes, they have incorporated some changes that reduces the chances of it breaking, but that is nothing new with the Xbox 360. The X-Box had many revisions, as did the PS/2 and PS/1.

By crystal clear on 7/13/2007 4:43:55 AM , Rating: 2
but that's your assessment, NOT what Microsoft said, or admitted.

Its not my assessment rather as reported on the site,whose link I have provided,to back up the claim.

They the site have surely double checked/verified their sources, before reporting such news

I am focusing on/about as the title suggests-the massive amounts or quantities (11.6 miilion).

Till recently M.S was denying the existance of the problem-read previous Dailytech articles on this subject.

By BMFPitt on 7/13/2007 11:28:38 AM , Rating: 3
Amounts like the above deserve a RECALL or Exchange programme-are they crazy to repair instead of recalling those consoles !
When a car gets recalled, they don't just give everyone new cars. They repair it.

By crystal clear on 7/14/2007 3:42:38 PM , Rating: 1
When a car gets recalled, they don't just give everyone new cars. They repair it.

Ever heard of 11.6 million cars recalled ? I doubt ?

You cannot compare cars to Xbox !

Don't count out PS3 yet
By shaw on 7/12/2007 10:18:46 PM , Rating: 2
One thing about Sony is their console always starts at a snail's pace and slowly ramps up. Then once in full gear it doesn't back down. PSX and PS2 both followed this same pattern.

Nintendo past the SNES days seems to always be the same with a slow start, huge mid-life, but slow down again at their consoles end life. Wii is going to get away with a bigger console life thanks to the life of Virtual Console. An idea that Microsoft I feel doesn't do justice with XBox Arcade.

I think Microsoft so far has done a better balance, but I can understand them burying the XBox as soon as possible because of the nVidia troubles. I just hope XBox 360's life will be similar to PS2s and last well into the next wacky name Microsoft gives their next console.

RE: Don't count out PS3 yet
By 9nails on 7/12/2007 11:52:26 PM , Rating: 4
One missing part of the equation is that Wii games are $10 cheaper than Xbox 360 and PS3 games. If the typical gamer lacks HD television, then the higher resolution of Xbox 360 and PS3 cannot justify the extra $10 per game, let alone the cost of the console system.

For this reason alone, the Wii has the distinct advantage over the other 2 big guys. Keep in mind I'm talking about Software now. Titles make developers money. And if the median gamer has less income and standard resolution TV set, then more games will be produced for and sold on the Wii. It should create a circular effect driving Wii hardware sales.

At least, that is my take on the big picture. :)

RE: Don't count out PS3 yet
By michal1980 on 7/13/2007 8:05:26 AM , Rating: 1
And the Wii is boring. Like I said before, its cool for a while.

but after a while (unless you are just wayyy to easily enteritanted)

you notice the lack of depth in the games.. so far the wii-motes be ok for a few mini games, etc... and people that never played games will try them out... but they will not be coming back.

its not like the video game market is new. its been around for close to 30 years now. is it always changing? a bit yes. but pretty much everyone knows by now if they will play video games or not. And to say the wii is spreading into new markets is just an opinion theres a few different people that use it... But i'd like to see a real study to see how many 'different' gamers are really buy it.. i'd bet its very few.

RE: Don't count out PS3 yet
By randoljt on 7/13/2007 8:59:39 AM , Rating: 2
...Because every game needs to be 20+ hours in order to be fun?

I'd gladly give up the FPS/RTS genre rehashes for 3 hours of fun with my friends & family via Wii.

RE: Don't count out PS3 yet
By encryptkeeper on 7/13/2007 5:51:04 PM , Rating: 1
Don't concern yourself about what michal1980 thinks. Earlier this week, they announce a new model of the ps3, a slimmer psp and a 100 dollar price cut. But guess what! They pull out one of their old tricks and reveal the 499 model is being discontinued and guess what, it's effective IMMEDIATELY. I couldn't have imagined that Sony could fuck up worse than what they were doing before, but they go out and completely screw up worse than before. How do they keep doing it?

RE: Don't count out PS3 yet
By encryptkeeper on 7/16/2007 10:36:14 AM , Rating: 1
And to say the wii is spreading into new markets is just an opinion theres a few different people that use it... But i'd like to see a real study to see how many 'different' gamers are really buy it.. i'd bet its very few.

Um, dipshit, do you really think there are people in retirement communities playing Halo and Metal Gear Solid?

Price point is only half of the equation
By SiliconAddict on 7/12/2007 11:50:14 PM , Rating: 1
While dropping the price of the 360 to a more reasonable point would definitely make myself consider the system they NEED to address system reliability. I don't know about others but I simply will not go near a 360 until these shit load of reports about defective units dies down. It doesn't have to go completely away but sheer number of reports of people on their second, third, or more 360 does not in any way, shape, or form inspire confidence in the platform. 1 year warranty or not.

RE: Price point is only half of the equation
By DingieM on 7/13/2007 3:37:16 AM , Rating: 4
I am sure that a big share of those defective reports have to do with people putting the console on a bad place, like near airconditioners that are electronics killers. Bad walloutlets too.
Ignorance I call that.
I'm damn sure this is happening while those people still reflecting their anger towards MS.
Now MS should have made better electronics that's for sure also.

I have an Xbox360 purchased around the same time last year and haven't had a single problem. I use it occasionally but sometimes a whole weekend so it gets the chance to warm up but no defects. It had sometimes trouble reading the disc of Oblivion but after the fall update last year I don't see that small problem anymore.

So all those reports on the web about faulty Xbox360 has to be taken much lighter than now is the case.

And I have placed the console and powerbrick on the floor (tower) where I can see it so I have very decent airflow around. I find that setup not ugly. My ADSL switch is standing alongside it to accompany the nice electronics rubble hehe.

But I don't like the fair amount of noise that is emminating from the machine but can live with that.
I'm highly anticipating the Live Marketplace Video store in Europe so I don't have to buy the HD-DVD add-on this year (need a new receiver for that :-().

By DFranch on 7/13/2007 8:51:10 AM , Rating: 2
Let me first say that I love my 360, but my system only gets moderate use, It crapped out after 5 months RROD. The same goes for my brothers 360. his took 7 months to get the RROD. With that said, the return and repair only took about two weeks, and my new system has worked flawlessly since I got it back. I feel better about things now that they have increased the RROD warranty to 3 years. After the 3 years are up if it breaks I'll buy a new 65nm 360 for $200.

By wallijonn on 7/13/2007 2:31:41 PM , Rating: 2
I am sure that a big share of those defective reports have to do with people putting the console on a bad place, like near air conditioners that are electronics killers. Bad wall outlets too.
Ignorance I call that.

The problem with that assessment is that that is exactly where people have previously been putting their GCs, N64s, PS1s, PS2s, XBs and PS3s. But out of all these different units the XB360 has the highest failure rates?

Check it out
By Treckin on 7/12/2007 7:26:29 PM , Rating: 1
I would venture that if you wanted to know when Barcelona will release, one would do well to look for the 65 nm parts in the 360... IBM's 65 process was codevloped with AMD, and so should be ready around the same time. I recognize that many of the issues are with the new arch + shrink, however I feel strongly that the two series will launch together...

RE: Check it out
By ChipDude on 7/12/2007 9:20:54 PM , Rating: 2
Wrong, IBM can't make enough money on its own. It has multiple devleopment programs where the mix and match process steps to various partners. You have Charter, AMD, Sony, and others all paying IBM for some portion. In the end nobody gets the best process as its decision by comitte. IBM selects to meet the most customers and it'll end up being a compromise.

I'm sure the AMD process isn't the same as the one targeted for the 65nm cell, or the upcoming 65nm xbox360 chip

RE: Check it out
By weskurtz0081 on 7/12/2007 11:59:43 PM , Rating: 2
I am assuming they cannot make a profit on those chips if they had to foot the entire project. Or, can't make enough money are a company. Cause, if it is the latter of the two, I would have to disagree, IBM makes a ton of money, and is worth more than Intel.....

RE: Check it out
By jacarte8 on 7/13/2007 8:28:38 AM , Rating: 2
Who is making the current AMD 65nm parts then?

PS3 pricecut isn't perm
By randoljt on 7/13/2007 8:44:17 AM , Rating: 2
According to Sony, it's just to phase out the 60gb versions of the consoles.

The upcoming 80GB is still 599.99. So... once again, Sony has priced themselves out of competitive range.

RE: PS3 pricecut isn't perm
By wallijonn on 7/13/2007 2:47:15 PM , Rating: 2
The upcoming 80GB is still 599.99. So... once again, Sony has priced themselves out of competitive range.

If they are trying to sell it on the virtues of the Blue Ray player, then the least that they can do is package in the HDMI cable and the BR remote controller for free. After all, when you buy a stand alone DVD player you get a free remote with it, and many (Oppo, for example) include a free HDMI cable. If Sony doesn't include the free HDMI cable and says that to use a non-Sony cable breaks the warranty, then they are in effect forcing people to buy the $99 HDMI cable, under penalty that if they determine that a non-Sony cable was used that the warranty is void. Nintendo does the same thing.

By Mitch101 on 7/12/2007 5:46:03 PM , Rating: 3
I figure the new X-box 360 should solve all the problem of the first gen 90nm parts so reguardless of price I will be getting one when I am sure the unit will live a long an healthy life. If the price drop should occur before then its a plus but Im still going to wait and ensure I get a newer generation unit.

Xbox360 is a Crap console!
By LiptonGreenTea on 7/16/07, Rating: 0
"I mean, if you wanna break down someone's door, why don't you start with AT&T, for God sakes? They make your amazing phone unusable as a phone!" -- Jon Stewart on Apple and the iPhone

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