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IE8 could give Opera and Firefox a run for their feature money

Microsoft's Internet Explorer (IE) is the king of the hill when it comes to web browsers. That is despite the fact that many computer users feel IE is a much less usable browser than its main competitors like Opera and Firefox.

For instance, Microsoft was way behind its competitors adding features as basic as tabbed browsing, which only showed up in IE7. It appears that Microsoft is intent on making a browser that competes with the newer browsers on a much more complete basis feature wise with Internet Explorer 8.

IE8 will offer a wealth of new features starting with Activities. Activities allow you to open links to external web services within the context of a page you are looking at. If you are looking at the webpage for a store or restaurant, you could get driving directions with Live Maps or send the information to another web application.

Webslices is another new feature that allows users to subscribe and bring content on the links bar as they surf the web. IE8 also comes a long way on standards compliance and offers three different rendering modes -- Quirks mode, Strict mode, and IE8 standards mode. Quirks mode supports IE5 and legacy browsers, strict mode supports IE7 and is accessed through an emulate IE7 button.

IE8 is compliant with cascading style sheets (CSS) 2.1 and offers HTML improvements intended to fix cross browser inconsistencies. IE8's get/set/remove attributes are now compatible with other browsers and default attributes for HTML are supported. IE8 also includes integrated developer tools. This will allow web developers to debug HTML, CSS, and JavaScript in a visual development environment included with the web browser.

CNET News reports that IE8 Beta 1 has some significant new security features. One of the features is a cross-site scripting filter. Microsoft says this is one of the first scripting filters on a mainstream browser. This feature is meant to protect a user from a malicious webpage that tries to execute a script on a user's browser without them knowing. When a page requests a cross-site script to be executed, IE8 changes the content on the web page being viewed with a notice that the script wants to run. When IE8 recognizes a malicious script, it keeps the script from executing.

Another significant new feature is called InPrivate. The feature allows users to browse the internet without having IE8 cache the content being viewed. When the function is activated, you can keep the rest of your browsing history intact. IE8 also adds ActiveX components security, which eliminates drive-by downloads. IE8 has Microsoft malware protection built-in -- a feature that Opera and other competitors feature.

One of the best new features of IE7 was the addition of tabbed browsing. IE8 takes tabbed browsing to the next level for Microsoft. IE8 will also users to reopen the last few tabs that were closed. This is a great feature if you have ever accidentally closed a tab while working. Tabs opened from the same page are also color coded to make keeping groups of tabs easier. IE8 also offers the ability for the browser to suggest new websites similar to the websites you have previously viewed. The option is turned off by default.

IE8 competitor Firefox set a record for the most downloads in 24 hours when its latest version launched recently.

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InPrivate already dubbed
By FITCamaro on 8/28/2008 12:09:49 PM , Rating: 5
Porn mode.

Geeks everywhere are rejoicing.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By nvalhalla on 8/28/2008 12:27:30 PM , Rating: 5
I'd have killed for this feature when I was 13!

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By therealnickdanger on 8/28/2008 4:19:56 PM , Rating: 4
I hesitated before clicking on it...


Randy is quickly becoming the best character on South Park.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By mikeyD95125 on 8/29/2008 1:28:46 AM , Rating: 2
Good god...he is

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By gligli2 on 8/31/2008 7:48:44 AM , Rating: 2

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By daftrok on 8/31/2008 11:25:20 AM , Rating: 2
Butters remains number 1 for me.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By Randy Marsh on 9/8/2008 5:09:24 AM , Rating: 2

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By heffeque on 8/28/2008 2:54:07 PM , Rating: 3
Interesting, because it's been available in Firefox sense version 2 (probably version 1 also had it)... and it's in Safari (Private Browsing)... and probably in Opera also.
Why is it such immense news when IE adds it? I'm confused.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By tastyratz on 8/28/2008 3:46:44 PM , Rating: 2
in firefox? how?
I'm running firefox 3. Is there a way to make a specific window or tab private?

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By heffeque on 8/28/2008 3:56:50 PM , Rating: 2
You can do "Preferences - Privacy - Always clear my private data when I close Firefox" and choose which data to delete.

Or you can also download an extension called "Distrust" that works just like "Private Browsing" in Safari or "InPrivate" in IE8.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By therealnickdanger on 8/28/2008 4:27:18 PM , Rating: 1
clear my private data when I close Firefox

Therein lies the difference I believe. IE has had a similar feature "Empty Temporary Internet Files when browser is closed". IE has had it since... at least IE4 I think... maybe earlier.

The "pr0n m0de" described here must must be different than that. "inPrivate mode leaves no trace of what the user was up to from the browser and allows users to set which third-party sites have access to any of the data transmitted during the session."

download an extension called "Distrust"

Not built in.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By quickk on 8/28/2008 5:39:46 PM , Rating: 2
If you want to browse anonymously without leaving traces of having done so (ie, keep the cookies, browsing history, etc. intact), just start the firefox profilemanager and create a new, temporary profile. To delete all traces of your anonymous browsing just delete the new profile, and all the associated data.

To start the profilemanager, from the terminal type:

firefox -profilemanager

I'm not sure how to do this in windows though, but its probably similar.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By bobdelt on 8/28/2008 8:40:41 PM , Rating: 2
and how is this better than having the feature built in?

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By quickk on 8/28/2008 9:57:45 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not saying it is. I just was pointing out that it was possible to browse privately in Firefox without using any extensions, in case somebody wanted to know. After all, if you have an "anonymiser" extension installed, people may suspect that you have something to hide.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By heffeque on 8/29/2008 4:52:27 AM , Rating: 2
That's the good thing about Firefox, you don't have to have everything built in for it to work correctly. You can personalize it :-) Distrust isn't a huge add-on it's actually pretty tiny. If you really need it, it's just a couple clicks away :-)

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By KCjoker on 8/28/2008 5:49:54 PM , Rating: 2
When I try to clear private data it never works in's still there I hate that. BTW I have the newest version of ad block intalled as well.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By mmntech on 8/29/2008 5:04:01 PM , Rating: 2
Download the Stealthier addon. It's a little more user friendly than the manual way of doing it, and you can quickly turn it on and off without having to go into the preferences menu.

Stealth is not just for porn but its a useful security feature if your doing banking or shopping on a shared computer. It's a long time coming. Safari has had the stealth feature for ages. I can't speak for Opera. IE always seems to be at least a generation behind when it comes to browser features. There's nothing really innovative about what's being added to IE8. Then again, the same can be said for most of Microsoft's recent products, with Office being the exception.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By Alpha4 on 8/28/2008 7:29:04 PM , Rating: 2
Its like watching a baby take its first step.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By kake on 8/29/2008 1:56:04 AM , Rating: 3
The only clean and foolproof wife-safe browsing method I've found is such:

dual boot your favorite linux distro and Windows. And if your wife can make your linux gui work from command line AND crack your pass, I want to meet her.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By Myrandex on 8/29/2008 8:58:31 AM , Rating: 2
2nd that comment; linux dual boot definitely = wife mode :)

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By Ilfirin on 8/29/2008 5:13:21 PM , Rating: 1
My girlfriend would certainly be able to. We're both programmers (good ones too, at the same company) and she's smart as shit. She's also extremely sexy. I have no idea how this happened :)

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By Myg on 9/2/2008 4:15:51 AM , Rating: 3
... What the point of getting married if all your gonna do is hide things from that person?

Might as well stayed single tbh.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By Spuke on 9/2/2008 1:41:55 PM , Rating: 2
What the point of getting married if all your gonna do is hide things from that person?
I can dig where you're coming from but not all women are cool with that. Watching their man masturbating, that is.

RE: InPrivate already dubbed
By Pr1nc355 on 9/2/2008 12:13:39 PM , Rating: 2
I could in an absolute sleep deprived state! But then again I am not married. Marry within your own IQ range and you may find you don't need a "wife-safe browsing method". She may enjoy similar intrests...;)

By Proteusza on 8/28/2008 12:12:51 PM , Rating: 3
Microsoft's Internet Explorer (IE) is the king of the hill when it comes to web browsers.

Should read:

Microsoft's Internet Explorer is the most used browser because it is bundled with the operating system and most users are unaware that there are other browsers, or how to change browsers.

RE: Correction
By acer905 on 8/28/2008 12:21:28 PM , Rating: 2
I recently switched to firefox on my home computer. It took a long time for me to do it, not because IE is amazing, but because its a web browser... I didn't see the need to switch because with IE i was able to read my email, look up information, and watch videos. Didn't need, and still don't need anything else.

RE: Correction
By GreenEnvt on 8/28/2008 12:52:13 PM , Rating: 5
I always wondered what people wanted when they said IE should not be bundled with Windows, that you should be able to pick your own browser. Thats all good in perfectland, but in realworld, average joe will need a browser installed to be able to go download the browser of his choice.

RE: Correction
By Polynikes on 8/28/2008 1:48:41 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I always thought that was funny.

I'd much rather go to my friend's house, download Firefox there and bring it back on a flash drive.

RE: Correction
By exanimas on 8/29/2008 6:23:26 PM , Rating: 2
But how would your friend get Firefox if his Windows installation didn't come with any web-browser in the first place? =D

RE: Correction
By heffeque on 8/28/2008 3:17:07 PM , Rating: 5
That's were "IE is only good for downloading Firefox" comes in.

RE: Correction
By LatinMessiah on 8/28/2008 6:06:54 PM , Rating: 2

RE: Correction
By Pudro on 8/29/2008 8:26:51 AM , Rating: 2
That's only for those who don't know about Firefox Portable. ;)

RE: Correction
By Spivonious on 8/28/08, Rating: 0
RE: Correction
By theapparition on 8/28/2008 1:21:19 PM , Rating: 2
Wherever you got your data from, it's wrong.

At best it's closing in on 20% worldwide. In the US, that number is even lower.

RE: Correction
By xti on 8/28/2008 3:08:35 PM , Rating: 4
ive said it before, MS could find the cure for cancer and someone will have a problem with it.

RE: Correction
By icanhascpu on 9/2/2008 2:25:29 AM , Rating: 3
See, that seems clever and eye-opening except for the fact that if that happened, some shmoe would make a DT artical about it praising them, and forgetting to mention that Firefox/Opera scientests already made a cure last year.

RE: Correction
By Spivonious on 8/28/08, Rating: 0
RE: Correction
By heffeque on 8/28/2008 3:27:08 PM , Rating: 1
If you check OS stats it's interesting to see how Linux and Mac have gained slowly but steadily throughout the last 5 years:

Linux 2003 - 2008 : 2.3% - 3.9%
MacOS 2003 - 2008 : 1.9% - 4.8%

Summed up, in 5 years it has gone from 4.2% to 8.7% . Those are pretty nice figures alright :-)

RE: Correction
By LikeLinus on 8/28/2008 5:19:25 PM , Rating: 2
Do you even bother reading that page? I hate when people try to use flawed data as proof.

That data is ONLY from their web hits. That has NOTHING to do with overal actual useage.

"The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers.

These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users.

Anyway, our data, collected from W3Schools' log-files, over a five year period, clearly shows the long and medium-term trends."

RE: Correction
By Spivonious on 8/29/2008 10:25:58 AM , Rating: 2
Okay, here's another one:

Averages about 21% throughout the world, but as high as 45% in some European countries.

And all of the trends point to that number rising steadily in the future. People know about alternative browsers. Those that care enough about the miniscule feature differences between IE, Fx, and Opera use the browser they choose to. The others don't care and stick with IE.

I was once a strictly Fx 2 user, but ever since IE7 came out I've been using it as my primary browser. The only thing that's neat about Fx 3 is the "Most Visited" menu, since it's kind of like an automatic bookmarking function.

RE: Correction
By theapparition on 8/29/2008 12:05:39 PM , Rating: 2
Excuse me........???
You initially stated it was close to 50%.

Then down to 42%

Now all the way down to 21%.

Averages is all that matters when talking about overall marketshare. It is close to 20%, just as my original quote shown below indicates.

Wherever you got your data from, it's wrong.

At best it's closing in on 20% worldwide. In the US, that number is even lower.

Yes it is higher in some markets, but that's pretty much meaningless for overall marketshare. BTW, the larger Euopean and Asian markets come at the expense of the US (remember, that's an average of 21%). So the US use is lower. Exactly as I stated before.

I mean, I could poll the number of Zune users at Microsoft, yet that would hardly be indicative of actual marketshare for PMP's.

Stick with the facts, you'll go further in life.

Just as a disclaimer, I use FF 3.

RE: Correction
By LikeLinus on 8/29/2008 3:35:02 PM , Rating: 2
THANK YOU for proving my point. You're using incorrect and useless data to try and prove a point that is flat out WRONG. Nice try.

Your first response was to someone who said they have around 20%. Then you post some silly link with incorrect data to try and prove this WRONG point.

Please don't start supplying us with your trend reports and how the future is going to shape up. I think it's already been prove you're in over your head.

RE: Correction
By CColtManM on 8/29/2008 2:47:12 AM , Rating: 2
RE: Correction
By Spuke on 9/2/2008 1:44:44 PM , Rating: 2
Fx: 42.6% for July 2008, IE6+IE7: 51.7%
Wow, they're really chipping away. I had no idea.

Not impressed
By vapore0n on 8/28/08, Rating: 0
RE: Not impressed
By Master Kenobi on 8/28/2008 12:43:03 PM , Rating: 5
I find that Firefox tabs are still interdependent. Crashing one tab will bring the entire browser down. IE8 doesn't suffer from that failure. Crashing one tab will not kill the others since they are all independent.

RE: Not impressed
By FITCamaro on 8/28/2008 12:52:38 PM , Rating: 2

IE8 might bring me back to IE then. If they can get something comparable in functionality to AdBlock that is. Either built in or allow it as a plug-in.

RE: Not impressed
By MrDiSante on 8/28/2008 1:22:16 PM , Rating: 2
FitCamaro, your wish is my command: IE7Pro is where you want to be. And yes, it is compatible with IE8.

RE: Not impressed
By Chaser on 8/28/2008 2:49:21 PM , Rating: 2
Yup IE7 Pro rocks. And I use FF 3 too :)

RE: Not impressed
By therealnickdanger on 8/28/2008 4:30:06 PM , Rating: 2
Screw AdBlock, HOSTS FTW!

Download here:

Overwrite here:

RE: Not impressed
By lakrids on 8/29/2008 12:10:36 AM , Rating: 2
You are forced to block stuff per domain. Now what if a domain serves wanted content and unwanted content at the same time?
What if you want to debug an issue where your host file blocks something it shouldn't have? How are you going to go about editing your giant txt file to unblock that single item?

Sorry but host files suck compared to Adblock. Why settle for something inferior?

RE: Not impressed
By mindless1 on 8/29/2008 10:58:34 PM , Rating: 2
I use both. Don't put stuff in a hosts file if you don't know for sure you want it blocked.

RE: Not impressed
By StevoLincolnite on 8/28/2008 1:12:25 PM , Rating: 3
The thing though with Firefox is the Plugins system, it would not surprise me if there was a plug-in that solves that particular issue, however, what I like is if you are in a rush and have to go you can close firefox, and it saves all the tabs.

Plus if a Tab crashes bringing the whole program down, you just open up firefox again and they are all restored, other than that I have never had any issues. - However One time (Only once) A tab crashed, I relaunched firefox and it opened all the tabs again, then suddenly the browser crashed again, so I just started from scratch. - Annoying yes, but it's better than what we had 10 years ago with IE4 or 5 and Windows 95/98.

RE: Not impressed
By Master Kenobi on 8/28/2008 1:52:04 PM , Rating: 3
Can't have a plugin to separate tab processes in Firefox. The base engine would need to be changed to deal with that. IE8 behaves the same way with crashed tabs auto-launching if you tell them to.

RE: Not impressed
By encryptkeeper on 8/29/2008 8:49:58 AM , Rating: 2
Doesn't matter. Since FireFox has the Session Manager add-on, and it has the ability to recover tabs from a crashed session as a built in feature, who cares if they crash? In a few seconds, you can bring everything right back up.

Besides, if you think a Microsoft program will never crash, you're mistaken.

RE: Not impressed
By Master Kenobi on 8/29/2008 9:20:56 AM , Rating: 2
It does matter. IE8 recovers and remembers tabs automatically, no plugin needed.

RE: Not impressed
By Spuke on 9/2/2008 1:54:54 PM , Rating: 2
So IE8 can recover tabs automatically. But can it show weather data, have a mulitline bookmark bar, auto backup, minimize to tray, paste and open links in one click, close all bookmarks on a single click, open a link in a separate tab with the middle mouse, choose whether to open pdf's or download them, screen capture a page straight to a file, create tinyurl's, and load any set of tabs I want on a given day? Does it even have the option to do any of that AND configure those options how I want?

Didn't think so. You can keep your, if the browser crashes the OS crashes, lovely IE.

RE: Not impressed
By MozeeToby on 8/29/2008 1:48:48 PM , Rating: 2
Im my experience, when one tab in IE7 crashes, my whole browser crashes.

Add to that the fact IE7 on my work computer (brand new with only coding and productivity software installed) crashes more often than FF3 on my home computer (5 years old with god only knows installed on it).

And finally, if and when FF3 does crash, I can simply click 'restore last session' and get right back to what I was doing in about 30 seconds.

RE: Not impressed
By lifeblood on 8/28/2008 2:03:21 PM , Rating: 5
When Netscape browser was still alive and kicking MS did a lot of work to make IE useful. When Netscape died, development on IE died. Along comes Firefox and suddenly MS starts improving IE again. Proof again that monopolies are bad. Hopefully AMD will always challenge Intel, nVidia will challenge ATI, etc.

RE: Not impressed
By rudolphna on 8/28/2008 4:22:47 PM , Rating: 3
I dont understand why you were voted down. (I fixed it) You are absolutely right. When there is no competition, there is no reason for companies (Inte, NVidia, MS, etc) to spend R&D money to improve! Think about it. If you have no competition to make you have to improve to remain competetive, why would you spend the money to get better, when everybody is already going to be buying your products ANYWAY. Out of the goodness of their hearts? Your naive if you think thats the case. The truth is, monopolies may be good for the company.. but are terrible for the end consumer. Imagine, if you will, if AMD went out of buisness before the C2D. So today, we are still stuck with the Pentium 4. Perfect Example. We need competition.

RE: Not impressed
By therealnickdanger on 8/28/08, Rating: -1
RE: Not impressed
By Ratinator on 8/28/2008 4:37:09 PM , Rating: 2
Firefox is not perfect either. I had a webpage built that rendered fine in IE. I put the code through a code checker using a strict policy and it came out clean. Firefox wouldn't render the page properly. Both have there issues.

RE: Not impressed
By Reclaimer77 on 8/30/2008 1:20:11 PM , Rating: 1
Thats because in order to comply with the backwards way IE does most things, people have been building websites backwards.

Firefox does things the RIGHT way. If you have some problem getting a site to render, its the sites problem, not Firefox.

RE: Not impressed
By tastyratz on 8/29/2008 8:20:11 AM , Rating: 2
you really shouldn't have been voted down, you have very valid points.
I.E. hasn't been compliant with the web, the web has been compliant with I.E. The history of acid tests prove this as I.E. has ALWAYS had a terribly low score in comparison to competing browsers, not just Firefox.

The web is full of hacks, tricks, and backdoors making pages I.E. compliant. If you ask me that's unacceptable.

I.E. has always had such a dominant marketshare they had no real reason to truly innovate and build compliant browsers.
If anything non-compliance was a smart move at the time businesswise as it made every other browser not work as well on the web inherently.
Now that they have lost a significant portion of the market they had better build their browser for compliance fast or they will continue to steadily lose marketshare.

Soon I.E. will become the browser that wont work with most websites... oh the irony.

be warned, google maps is broken in beta 1
By michal1980 on 8/28/2008 12:15:28 PM , Rating: 2
that is all

By Master Kenobi on 8/28/2008 12:29:18 PM , Rating: 3
Beta 2 was released this morning. Google maps works fine in Beta 2. (Using native mode too, not compatability mode).

By michal1980 on 8/28/2008 2:26:43 PM , Rating: 2
i'll have to update my ie when I get home then. I was positng the warning, because at first the MS link was refering to beta 1.

i'm glad it was fixed, I was really waiting for that

RE: be warned, google maps is broken in beta 1
By 306maxi on 8/28/2008 2:54:23 PM , Rating: 2
In addition to that I found it also broke Windows Live Hotmail.

By afkrotch on 8/29/2008 3:29:57 AM , Rating: 2
I just installed IE8 Beta 2 this morning, but had to go to work, so haven't tested it out.

Course I use Windows Live Mail, so don't have to use Live Hotmail. I like it that way, cause then I can keep the mail on my comp.

What about standards?
By ksuWildcat on 8/28/2008 3:05:49 PM , Rating: 2
The only way I would even remotely consider IE8 is if it becomes standards compliant. Until then, IE will still be a joke, regardless what the Microsoft fanboys claim.

RE: What about standards?
By Spivonious on 8/28/2008 3:19:54 PM , Rating: 2

IE8 also comes a long way on standards compliance and offers three different rendering modes -- Quirks mode, Strict mode, and IE8 standards mode.

RE: What about standards?
By ksuWildcat on 8/28/2008 3:25:36 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, we've heard that one before. I'd also like to see some partial implementation of draft standards as well.

Not sure if they have or will, but the JavaScript engine needs a complete rewrite as well. Terrible performance under IE6/7.

I'm not holding my breath...

RE: What about standards?
By Master Kenobi on 8/28/2008 4:56:56 PM , Rating: 2
JavaScript engine was rewritten under IE8.
Have yourself a gander here at the changes they made.

RE: What about standards?
By Powerlines2000 on 9/3/2008 2:09:19 AM , Rating: 2
If i can build a website without having to riddle the css full of IE fixes that is all i care about.

Other stuff is nice but all attainable with firefox, i personally feel that Microsoft would have to pull something fantastic out the bag to get me to switch back. Great to see them finally trying though (only taken them 3 versions of firefox to wake up)

By forumlurker on 8/28/2008 1:29:47 PM , Rating: 3
I recently cheesed off my wife when she came home to view internet history on our Mac and found only the sites she had visited in the list even though she knew I had been on the internet all day. I told her I had been using private browsing for a while to prevent her from finding out what I bought her for our anniversary (she's nosey). Sound like Microsoft is "borrowing" another feature from Apple developers.

BTW I am a Windows System Engineer by trade, but 2 of the last 5 interviews I went on asked if I had any Mac experience. That's when I went out and bought one.

By PWNettle on 8/28/2008 3:18:06 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft is the only company in existence to "borrow" good ideas from others. Nobody else does it - they're all completely original.

Yup. That's the way it is.

By afkrotch on 8/29/2008 3:36:53 AM , Rating: 2
Sound like Microsoft is "borrowing" another feature from Apple developers.

Just like how Apple "borrowed" many of their features in OSX from Vista.

Many of the features of Longhorn Alpha made its way into OSX, while Microsoft had to completely rebuilt Longhorn, since it was broken.

By icanhascpu on 9/2/2008 2:31:12 AM , Rating: 2
What did they barrow? Are you telling me they barrowed something broken from Longhorn and put it in an OSX version that was already finished? lolwut
Make sense, boy.

More features, better product, more competition!
By Phlargo on 8/28/2008 12:08:21 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds good to me. Anything new MS comes out with will also influence the design and usability of the other browsers in the future. I am so happy that browsers have to be competitive these days - it means we're always getting new, better, faster ones that trounce the previous generation.

I generally liked ie7, if not for a few caveats. I've been using FF3 for a few months now and have generally been pretty happy. I think I'll wait until a build closer to release before I give this new browser a try.

By Master Kenobi on 8/28/2008 12:31:16 PM , Rating: 3
Give it a try now. IE 8 Beta 2 looks pretty solid. I've been using it all morning (was released this morning) and have yet to come up with any big problems. I found a thing with the expanders in the iGoogle pages if you have news feeds. It won't expand to show the summary if running IE8 native rendering, but it works if you use compatability. I have to assume google added code for IE6 and IE8 doesn't like the messy code that was necessary under IE6.

By Reclaimer77 on 8/30/2008 1:22:56 PM , Rating: 1
Give it a try now.

No you shill. No feature could possibly be worth the sheer army of spyware IE funnels into your system.

Is DailyTech a Pro-MS website?
By djreedps on 9/1/2008 8:02:43 PM , Rating: 2
I keep reading stories on here which lead me to believe that DailyTech is biased in favor of Microsoft. Here is an example from this article:

IE8 also comes a long way on standards compliance and offers three different rendering modes -- Quirks mode, Strict mode, and IE8 standards mode.

Other stories I have read about IE8 talk about a lot of outrage in that Microsoft had previously promised to make the standards mode the default mode in IE8 but now is breaking its promise. Yet, DailyTech doesn't even mention this fact nor the outrage by web developers who hate having to support IE quirks. On the contrary, DailyTech touts how IE8 "comes a long way on standards compliance."

Another story on the front page of DailyTech today praises Microsoft for planning to try to copy Apple's successful iPhone apps store by selling apps for Windows Mobile and taking a cut of the revenues.

Yet another story talks about how Microsoft Xbox360 is now cheaper than Nintendo Wii in Japan.

The Apple stories on DailyTech today talk about iPhone problems exciting Apple's and AT&T's competitors and Steve Jobs' obituary posted prematurely.

The Linux story talks about Hans Reiser being sentenced for killing his wife.

Am I wrong here, or does DailyTech seem biased toward Microsoft?

By MrSmurf on 9/1/2008 11:38:46 PM , Rating: 2
You're wrong.

RE: Is DailyTech a Pro-MS website?
By aos007 on 9/4/2008 4:18:52 PM , Rating: 2
You're not wrong, about comments being posted here at least. As pro-MS as I've seen anywhere. Not sure about the DT articles themselves, I do believe there is some bias but it's not over the top. Other sites have them too, e.g. Engadget has considerable Apple bias.

Usable screen space
By foolsgambit11 on 8/28/2008 2:55:48 PM , Rating: 2
I generally approved of IE7, even though I use Firefox. The reason for my choice came down simply to usable viewing space. Firefox allowed me to eke out a little extra real estate on the screen. It's only a few pixels, and I almost feel bad for making my decision based on that small difference, but there it is.

I hope Microsoft has made IE8's tab and menu/address bars skinnier. I understand the 'bubbly' theme being continued from Vista through into IE and Office, but it would be nice if they could maximize the viewing window portion of the browser.

RE: Usable screen space
By heffeque on 8/28/2008 3:19:40 PM , Rating: 3
You DO realize that Firefox has something called "Themes". Some of them are really slick ;-)

By encryptkeeper on 8/29/2008 9:00:01 AM , Rating: 2
...Not the same as. Except for independent tabs, IE8 sounds exactly the same as what FireFox can do right now. Why would I bother to switch to something that isn't better than what I already have?

By Master Kenobi on 8/29/2008 9:30:51 AM , Rating: 2
Because IE8 does it all out of the box. Firefox requires many plugins to bring its capability up to par. This has been the success of Microsoft for over a decade now, theirs comes with it on the base install, no plugins required.

By Reclaimer77 on 8/30/2008 1:36:37 PM , Rating: 1
oh my god !! Using the addon menu and installer thats INTERGRATED into the browser in Firefox is sooooo hard. Its much better to just use Internet Spyware Explorer out of the box. Cause like, those 3 extra clicks you had to make to get Firefox addons is waaaaayyy out of the question.

You DO realize Firefox works just fine out of the box right ? Your making it sound like webpages don't display until you install addons or something.

Firefox is faster, smaller, safer and just better. Period. IE is bloatware for idiots too lazy or ignorant to bother with a second browser. Up to par ? The addons are there for YOU to customize your experience. Not to add functionality. Nothing is missing from Firefox right out of the box.

Are you a fanboi or a paid shill ? Either way your spewing FUD.

Why now ?
By Silver2k7 on 8/28/2008 5:43:20 PM , Rating: 2
Why did someone publish this article now.. IE8 Beta 1 has been avalible for a long time..

Thought maybe Beta 2 was out, but no mention of that in the article or on the offical beta site :(

RE: Why now ?
By Silver2k7 on 8/28/2008 5:48:07 PM , Rating: 2
ok.. found the beta 2 link in the comments, but why not mention it in the article or the headline even ? O.o

I love the positive spin on Opera
By Staples on 8/28/2008 2:10:12 PM , Rating: 3
I have been using Opera nearly 100% of the time for the past 2 years. I think it is the best browser out there. But despite this, it still has 2% of the desktop market. Firefox has something like 20%. Safari is something more of a sucessful competitor to IE than Opera.

And IE7 works just fine. The main reason people originally adopted Firefox was because it was secure. IE6 was notorious. When IE7 came out, I stopped using Firefox and when I could not use Opera for the page, I would use IE7. IE Pro is a great addon for IE for anyone who has not tried it.

What about speed?
By tashfeen on 8/28/2008 12:50:37 PM , Rating: 2
Interestingly, the speed gain/loss issue hasn't turned up yet. I crash-tested IE8b alongside a couple of other browsers (FF3 included); it wasn't very different from IE7. I'm betting IE8 won't impress when it comes out, despite the bells and whistles. Here's the link in case you're interested:

Firefox is great and all ...
By Proxes on 8/28/2008 1:43:31 PM , Rating: 2
but I keep finding myself using IE. There's little incompatibility issues you need to worry about with Firefox. An example would be, and I'm showing how much of a geek I am, when people were trying to buy Blizzcon tickets in a mix of all the madness a lot of people weren't able to complete the purchase while others were. It turns out Blizzard's site wasn't tested with Firefox and the very last step was failing because of the browser.

Imagine if you're trying to get tickets to something you really want to go see just to find out all the problems you had were caused by your browser and by the time you figured it out the show was sold out.

Makes the memory leaks sound not so bad. The other thing about the argument over if IE should be bundled with Windows or not, if Windows didn't have a built in web browser, how would you find and get the other ones?

IE Security?
By Regs on 8/28/2008 3:52:54 PM , Rating: 2
How about security? IE seems like the portal for every spam bot, malware, cookie intrusion, and hijack known to man.

Working link to beta 2
By KC7SWH on 8/28/2008 5:32:57 PM , Rating: 2
With the release of beta 2 the link in the article no longer works. Current link is:

By lijh9874h987y on 8/28/2008 7:16:34 PM , Rating: 2
Tools->Options->Programs->Manage Addons->dblclick on flash->Remove all sites (* goes away). Then go to, say, youtube and allow it to run flash, will get added. Best feature eva, too bad noone notices.

Weird little 'bug'
By JustTom on 8/29/2008 1:00:34 AM , Rating: 2
I did run across a weird little bug. If I try to click on the link at the top of a DT article that should lead to the last poster nothing happens. Click on the compatability button and it works...

Beta 2 is out
By Oroka on 8/29/2008 9:43:59 PM , Rating: 2
Yesterday I tried (or was it 2 days ago), I tried to download IE8 Beta1, but I couldnt, it couldnt find the file. Seems that Beta 2 is out now!

good for Beta Testers
By crystal clear on 8/30/2008 8:50:15 AM , Rating: 2
Yes ! right now, no point playing around with IE8 ....

There is plenty of work to be done on this before you can consider it "safe & ready for use".

There are plenty of issues,here is one of them-

Windows XP fans who have installed Service Pack 3 (SP3) after downloading Internet Explorer 8 (IE8) beta 1 won’t be able to downgrade their browser if they subsequently install IE8 beta 2.

Search the web for more such items as users post their experiences & opinions.

Even better read-

Windows Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2 Release Notes

"If you look at the last five years, if you look at what major innovations have occurred in computing technology, every single one of them came from AMD. Not a single innovation came from Intel." -- AMD CEO Hector Ruiz in 2007
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