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Frank Shaw  (Source: cdn3.sbnation.com)
Microsoft said mobile devices are used just like PCs

A Microsoft executive said that we're not in a post-PC era: iPads and other mobile devices are PCs. 
 
Frank X. Shaw, Corporate Vice President of Corporate Communications at Microsoft, recently visited the 11th edition of the All Things Digital conference (D11) and said that PCs are still alive and well.
 
In a blog post, Shaw wrote that Walt Mossberg and Kara Swisher (both technology columnists for The Wall Street Journal) spoke at D11 about what it means to be in a post-PC era.
 
As Shaw listened to them speak, he noticed that the rest of the room was using a myriad of mobile devices like iPads. But he noted that these iPads and other tablets were being used just like a laptop, with a physical keyboard attached, a network connected, documents being created and tweets being posted.
 
“The form factors are different, but let’s be clear, each is a PC,” wrote Shaw. “Many of those form factors are more mobile, and look different from the traditional desktop PC, but the same core idea drives it – personal in nature, used for work and for play, runs applications, connected to a network… etc. No matter what label you put on them, they are personal computing devices.”
 
Shaw went on to toot Microsoft’s horn a bit, saying that Microsoft has the second highest number of unique visitors to its Internet properties (according to a study by Mary Meeker at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers) and mentioning that the future of television isn’t Apple TV or Google’s TV, but the Xbox.
 
Shaw even addressed Windows Phone, which is trying to compete in a market dominated by Apple and Samsung.
 
“Admittedly, our great competitors in this market, Apple and Samsung primarily, have earned significant share,” wrote Shaw. “But while some want to suggest it’s game over in the smartphone market, Mary’s report makes it clear that it’s about the second inning in a nine-inning game, or about the 15-minute mark in a futbol match. As our recent Windows Phone ad points out, the iPhone and Android aren’t the only options for smartphone purchasers.
 
“And as Michael Stroh pointed out on our Windows Phone Blog, this year, the Nokia Lumia 920 with Windows Phone 8 won Engadget’s Smartphone of the Year prize; Windows Phone 8 swept the mobile OS category in PCMAG’s Reader’s Choice Awards; and Gizmodo concluded the Lumia 920’s camera was tops among smartphones, particularly in low light. And that phone and camera just keep getting better and better.”

Microsoft recently mocked the iPad in a commercial for the ASUS VivoTab Smart 64GB. The commercial pokes fun at the fact that Siri seems to be a "more talking, less doing" sort of assistant that has trouble understanding what you ask it. Meanwhile, a user breezes through several tasks on the VivoTab while Siri attempts to figure out what you want from it. 
 
Shaw concluded that the PC hasn’t gone anywhere. Tablets and other mobile devices, for all intents and purposes, are used the same way as PCs – just more mobile.

Source: TechNet



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Everything is a computer these days.
By Motoman on 5/31/2013 11:40:50 AM , Rating: 2
Cell phones are computers. Tablets are computers. If you have a smart TV or even a fancy Blu-Ray player, you might be able to make a reasonable argument that it's a computer.

Buddy of mine has a Droid of some sort and the DroidDock laptop thing. He works for IBM - is a big-time software technician. The majority of what he ever needs to do he can do from his phone with the dock. The phone is more than powerful enough to drive pixels to a 17" screen (or so...looks big to me) and for all the email, internet, whatever he would do it's just fine. No need to pull out the laptop unless actual software work needs to get done.

Tablets are laptops...minus a keyboard. Although people often add a keyboard to them when they want to create something, as opposed to just consume. We need to stop with the "OMG tablets are killing comptuters!" thing and realize that tablets are simply a new form factor of computer. And a relatively flexible one...granted that you don't have as much body to work with, you can't really make any given tablet as powerful as a laptop, but as noted even if the tablet you have isn't a convertible already, you can turn it into a laptop very easily for very little money with a 3rd party keyboard folder and maybe a BT mouse.

The industry needs to wake up and smell the coffee...these new form factors of computers are selling like hotcakes. Dell, HP, et al need to start *really* participating in that market. Because whether or not people are actually buying a tablet *instead* of a laptop (I've never seen anyone who owned a tablet and not a laptop, but still)...that's where the growth is.

I've been saying this all along. Not sure if people get it. Tablets and smartphones aren't replacements for computers. They *are* computers. And the traditional desktop/laptop OEMs need to get with the program. The future will involve all of these form factors of computers...desktops, laptops, tablets and smartphones. And if you're an OEM and only producing one or two of those form factors...well, you're missing out now aren't you?




By hughlle on 5/31/2013 11:57:34 AM , Rating: 2
Indeed. It is common sense that it is a computer. The very definition of computer would rather indicate this.

I have my tablet plugged into my tv with an hdmi cable, and i control it using a dinovo edge. there is a cursor i can move, and i can type, and well. It would be interesting for someone to point out how this isn't a computer. Or is it that the moment i unplug it and turn off the keyboard, it changes from being a computer to a tablet? Which would be to say that if you used a desk docking station for a laptop, the device is no longer actually a laptop until you remove it from the desk again.


RE: Everything is a computer these days.
By aliasfox on 5/31/2013 3:53:47 PM , Rating: 2
I have a tablet, but no (modern) laptop of my own anymore. When I bought my iPad in 2010, I needed something I could easily take on vacation, had GPS, and didn't have to worry about the battery if I used it constantly on flights or buses. I debated buying that or an iPod Touch. Three years later, it's my primary home-computing device - not something I had considered when I first bought it.

Sure, I fire up the tower when I need to do tab-heavy browsing (home shopping, for example) or some old games, but it's hooked up to the TV (and only the TV) for a reason - its primary use is Hulu or Netflix-ing something.

The iPad's a little slow by today's standards, but will I replace it with a laptop? Probably not. Tablets still have longer battery life, half the weight, and options for built in 3G/4G and GPS compared to ultrabooks. All of that means I can comfortably use it in coach, on the commuter train, and yes, on the can.

Today's tablets have 4x the processor and 20x the GPU power of my iPad, so if that was good for 90% of my normal computing needs, then a newer one with faster specs and more mature OS should cover even more of what I need.


RE: Everything is a computer these days.
By Motoman on 5/31/2013 8:40:52 PM , Rating: 2
That's fine. But what that says is you never create anything...don't do much that requires typing and/or usage of a mouse.

Which is really odd. But hey...if you're just a pure consumer, then that works for you.


By aliasfox on 6/4/2013 10:56:58 AM , Rating: 2
At home? To be honest, very little. Again, anything that requires a computer I still have my tower, but the vast majority of the time it's relegated to Netflix/Hulu duty. I fire up the computer (and use it as a computer) when I need to do heavy browsing, a bit of photo editing, and... that's about it. Maybe some very occasional light gaming? Honestly, I don't think I even have Microsoft Office installed on this tower - if I ever need to do that kind of work, I can stay a few extra minutes and type something up/do a few calculations after work. Four Core 2 Duo cores (two Xeons), 4GB of RAM, a 10k RPM HDD and a Radeon 5870 really don't get used to their full potential here...

I'm not denying a real keyboard/mouse aren't useful when I'm working in SAS or Excel all day at work, but I (and I assume most) people try to avoid doing too much of that stuff when they don't have to. Would I be happy with a tablet as my sole computer? No. But as a primary computer 5-6 days a week? Yeah, it works well enough.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2013 1:50:52 PM , Rating: 2
Not that I disagree with the premise of your argument, however in reality it seems more often than not participating in the tablet market has cost OEM's more than it's gained them. Smartphones as well. There's only a handful of manufactures even making a profit there.

Now someone will respond by saying "just make something as good as the iPad", as if that gross over-simplification even remotely highlights the reality of doing so.

Even if you accomplish this on the hardware end, you still have millions of people beholden to an ecosystem that your device might not be running.

quote:
The industry needs to wake up and smell the coffee...these new form factors of computers are selling like hotcakes.


Sure, but aside from Apple, is there a whole lot of profit in these sales? The Kindle Fire's are basically sold at cost. So is the Nexus line.

For Amazon and Google, this is fine. Because they have ecosystems to guarantee profit on the back end through services and adds and what not.

But what's in it for Dell, as an example, in trying to compete here? They have no experience in a proprietary ecosystem buildup to compete with Android or iOS. The best they could hope for is a competitive tablet running Android, being sold at a meager profit (because Google and Amazon have driven the expected cost so low already).

I don't agree that every computing company out there needs to offer tablets and smartphones. That's just unrealistic.

And the OEM's are all witnessing the colossal cost of doing so. Microsoft has wasted billions on Windows Phone and Surface so far. Are they any better off today than when they started years ago? No, not really.


By BifurcatedBoat on 6/5/2013 7:14:43 PM , Rating: 2
The growth is there because there are a lot of people who don't own one yet. Or if they do own one, it's significantly slower than the new ones that are just coming out. How long is that going to continue though?

PC sales are down because there is little advantage in upgrading. A brand new desktop is not all that much faster than a 3-year old desktop. Logically, it doesn't make sense to go out and spend $2,000 on something new that's no better than what you already had. But soon mobile will get there as well.


Just "reframing" the issue
By Shadowself on 5/31/2013 12:33:47 PM , Rating: 3
When Steve Jobs made the statements about the world moving into the "Post PC" era, Steve Ballmer vehemently objected. Microsoft was, and still is, extremely heavily invested in the classic PC. (Just a note of clarification: Jobs did NOT invent the phrase or concept of a "Post PC era". His comments just brought it more to the public's attention.)

Jobs was comparing the computing world to the personal vehicle world. Originally, the vast majority of vehicles were either trucks or truck/car combinations. Then the switch happened to the vast majority being cars. Trucks were still very common, but they are no longer the predominant type of vehicle (just look into any very large parking lot to see this). They are ALL still transportation. They are all vehicles. Cars are just a different class from trucks.

The same is happening with computers.

Smartphones and tablets (and to a lesser extent modern cars and trucks and airplanes and even washing machines) can be thought of as computers. However, this does not get around the fact that the predominant CLASS of computers is changing. In the 40s through 60s it was a mainframe world. In the 70s and early 80s it was a mini computer world. In the late 80s, 90s and early 2000s it was a PC world. In the early to mid 2000s (possibly even early 2010s) it was a mobile PC (laptop, netbook, etc.) world. We are indeed moving into the Post PC era dominate by tablets and smartphones.

Are all the items from the 40s mainframes to today's smartphones computers? Absolutely. No one with two or more fully functional brain cells will argue against this fact. BUT, they are different classes of computers. To call a tablet (or smartphone) a PC is just Microsoft trying to reframe (a nice psychology term) the concept of a PC so that they can co-opt a segment. Don't like virtually everyone's view of reality? Call it something different!

Microsoft is just trying to say, "No matter what we're still relevant! Tablets are just PCs (and by inference smartphones are just PCs)! We are still the predominant provider in the PC world! Google, Apple, and all the rest are still minor players in the PC world!"




By BifurcatedBoat on 6/5/2013 7:20:08 PM , Rating: 2
I don't really know how you are saying that we switched from trucks to cars. The first vehicles were cars, and at least in the US, SUVs and trucks are still very popular.

Even so, cars and trucks serve very similar purposes for the majority of users. Most people don't need to haul stuff very often, so having only a car may serve them just fine. You can't say the same about PCs vs. tablets. Are you really going to write that paper on a tablet, that long email, that blog post? Edit a home video? I'm not even trying to get into work-related uses.

Tablets are good for mobile media consumption, but that's about it.


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RE: malware error on anand site
By Belard on 5/31/2013 7:29:10 PM , Rating: 3
Its not fine... there are infections inside and out.


PCs are PCs but MS PCs are different from PCs.
By Belard on 5/31/2013 7:41:35 PM , Rating: 1
The "Personal Computer" refers to any computer that a person can own or use easily, compared to the days of workstations and servers, etc. After-all, the parts in a "SERVER" are still the same as a "PC", but we don't call Servers PCs, do we?

So (YES) iPad, Android and other smart phones and tablets *ARE* Personal Computers... they are a different form factor and are replacing the generic type of "PC" which is MS controlled.

Since the release of the IBM PC, - "PC" referred to clones and compatibles as well.

Meanwhile, the Amiga, Macintosh, Atari (as well as other 8/16/32 bit computers) were not called "PC", but did sometimes use the phrase "Personal Computer". Examples are the C=128 and Amiga 1000 boxes (Google: Amiga 1000 box )
Even today, when we think of LinuxMint or other flavors, we don't call them "PC's" even thou the only difference is what you boot up with.

So YES... the PC industry (MS "Windows" or whatever the hell Windows8 is) is finally dying. Will it ever DIE, NO. (Hell, Amiga is still around and its been on life-support for 10+ years) But the influence of Microsoft is quickly going downhill.

Hardcore computer users will/should move to Linux as well as productivity. For mobile, go Android and iOS... for Microsoft has decided to mess-up doing both.

I have NO confidence in Microsoft. Their stupidity with Windows8/RT/Phones/Xbox gaming/ Office2013 show that its nothing but middle-management hacks running the company.

Seriously, Windows8 drove me to try and USE LinuxMint... which is easily more functional and easier to use.




By BifurcatedBoat on 6/5/2013 7:26:25 PM , Rating: 2
Windows could die, but the desktop computer will not. The reason why the comparison to an Amiga doesn't hold up is because the PCs we use today are basically just better versions of that Amiga. There is nothing that the Amiga was better at than the PCs we use today.

Switching from a desktop PC to a tablet involves making tradeoffs. You gain mobility in exchange for accepting more limited usability. Some of the time, those limitations don't matter, and a tablet is the better device.

For other use cases, the limitations of a tablet are crippling, and you are much better off sitting down in front of a monitor with a keyboard and mouse attached to a powerful desktop computer. You lose mobility, but gain power and the use of a superior interface.


PCs or not
By wow&wow on 5/31/2013 2:30:38 PM , Rating: 2
PCs in all forms = Traditional PCs + PC mutants (e.g. tablets, convertibles, ...).

Know what scope of PCs to be discussed may avoid apple-pineapple ("apple" in both) confusion.




Polictial correctness...
By Ziggizag on 6/4/2013 5:15:03 PM , Rating: 2
Mobile are like PCs in the same manner as horses are like mechanical horses... Both move actually.




Not surprised again
By drumsticks on 5/31/2013 11:20:42 AM , Rating: 1
Somebody might try to talk about how Microsoft is washed up and trying to save face or something, but really they're pretty right. They're even admitting practically here that they don't even dominate the PC market.

How wrong could they be? Just because it isn't Microsoft or doesn't run windows doesn't mean it isn't a PC. Microsoft will ultimately end up with much less of a monopoly than they used to have in the new PC market, just like apple no longer dominates the tablet market, but that doesn't mean either of them are going anywhere.




convo
By BRB29 on 5/31/13, Rating: -1
RE: convo
By kleinma on 5/31/2013 12:09:21 PM , Rating: 4
PC = Personal Computer.

Does the iPad compute things? Yes.
Is the iPad a personal device? Yes.

PC = Personal Computer = iPad

I think you are the arse.


RE: convo
By BRB29 on 5/31/13, Rating: 0
RE: convo
By menting on 5/31/2013 3:41:15 PM , Rating: 2
yes it would be called a PC+ or whatever you want to call in your case, but with the power and usefulness of phones these days, it will fall under the umbrella of the PC category.

PC = personal computer. Doesn't mean it won't change forms throughout the years. Doesn't mean it can't ever do more than what people thought it should do. Doesn't mean it won't have overlap with other forms of electronics.


RE: convo
By Mitch101 on 5/31/2013 4:44:34 PM , Rating: 3
My one Computer is used by more than on Person so its not personal. Does that make it a Whore C?


RE: convo
By Camikazi on 6/2/2013 4:49:26 PM , Rating: 2
You have the ability to make multiple individual personal accounts with passwords on one computer so yes it is still a personal computer.


RE: convo
By Reclaimer77 on 6/2/2013 9:14:52 PM , Rating: 2
You people are being too literal. By your logic a graphing calculator is a "PC". Hey it's personal, and it computes right?

For the better part of 30 years "personal computer" has meant more than simply a device you personally own that acts as a computer. It's a x86 CPU desktop form factor PC or laptop. Hell Mac's weren't even called "PC's" until they adopted Intel hardware.

Productivity factors into the definition as well. Which is why we have PC's, workstations, and servers etc etc. Now these can all basically be PC's, but can be specialized and purpose built. So they're termed thusly. However tablets and smartphones have basically zero productivity potential in the real world. Personal computers? I think not.

If people want to go around calling smartphones and tablets "PC's", well that's just rubbish. By that definition MP3 players and a whole host of other electronic devices are "PC's" too!


RE: convo
By BRB29 on 6/3/2013 7:57:56 AM , Rating: 2
No it wouldn't. I don't understand why people are so ready to hate here. First of all, I was making a joke referencing MS Metro UI forcing users to adapt to the tablet world.

It's 2013. The definition of PC has evolved even though the wording has not changed. When you look at PC sales, shipments, etc... you automatically know it does not include tablets and smartphones. The industry created "PC", and it never included smartphones and tablets in it. It wasn't long ago that PC excludes Macs.

I really don't know if people are stubborn or just want to be a know-it-all prick online picking on a technicality. Forums are filled with extremely racist comments, extreme political views, crazy behaviors and rudeness at an unseen levels. Does the protection of the internet bring out the worst of people?


RE: convo
By Solandri on 5/31/2013 7:32:46 PM , Rating: 3
They're all personal computers. The only things that distinguish them are a function of their (limited) input and display options.

My prediction is that in the future, your phone will house your CPU, RAM, storage, and GPU. Your "tablet" and "laptop" will just be a screen and/or keyboard/mouse you carry along which connect wirelessly with your phone.


RE: convo
By fteoath64 on 6/4/2013 10:58:23 AM , Rating: 2
Correct on your responses!. The original intend was the term "Post PC era" coined by some journalists and Jobs used that to great effect in promoting the iPad. So the hint was that the tablet is a Post Pc device. A clever use of words but still means the same thing in terms of what we use and how we use the devices. A computer computes with human input of some sort and outputs to a screen or speaker. The rush to "smartphones" getting more and more powerful has displaced a lot of the traditional PC functionality and tablets contribute to a segment of that new category of devices. They are more portable and mobile to some extend but still similar functionality although richer in graphics and video.


RE: convo
By Shadowself on 5/31/2013 12:41:47 PM , Rating: 1
See my post below.

The argument is not whether the tablet is a computer or not. The issue is that tablets are are different CLASS of computer than a classic PC is.

Back in the late 70s, I had a mini computer (VAX 780) that was dedicated to JUST ME and my research. My terminal/monitor was the only one connected to it. Does that make that VAX a PC? It required an environmentally controlled room; it had special power requirements; to say that it was "user friendly" would be a gross overstatement; and virtually anything I wanted it to do with regard to my research I had to program myself. However, it was absolutely a computer. It absolutely was dedicated to one person. It was my "personal computer".

Did that make it a "PC". Absolutely not.


RE: convo
By karimtemple on 5/31/2013 4:03:23 PM , Rating: 2
1) All your thought experiment seems to demonstrate is that, one: the "personal" in personal computer doesn't refer to the fact that the computer is assigned to one person, and two: whatever it does refer to is something your VAX 780 and a desktop don't have in common. This actually doesn't mean that the commonality in question is not shared between a tablet and a desktop.

2) What we're talking about here are form factors. A PC is a PC because the form factor is suitable for every person having one. A VAX 780 is not suitable for every person having one, and it's therefore not a PC. A desktop is. A laptop is. A tablet is. They're PCs.

Interestingly, software actually plays a factor in the "class" of computer too. Hardware is kind of simple because it's more like a container -- You have hard limits on how much it can hold and what type of contents it's suitable for holding. But within those bounds, the software being contained within could be anything of any size or complexity. A Sega Dreamcast isn't thought of as being a PC, but if its software was general-purpose, it would've been a PC. The limited scope of the software makes it a "console."

People decry semantic arguments, but I quite enjoy them. I only dislike them when they're irrelevant to the OP (as with any argument).


RE: convo
By ElFenix on 6/2/2013 11:36:09 PM , Rating: 2
to further illustrate that software is a defining characteristic, the Atari 400 and 800 personal computers were basically Atari 2600s with upgraded graphics capabilities and keyboards built in (the 400 with a legendarily bad keyboard).


RE: convo
By Argon18 on 6/4/2013 1:40:33 PM , Rating: 2
You've contradicted yourself here. A phone and a tablet are not PC's, for the same reason a Sega video game system isn't (per your own example). It's the closed software ecosystem that draws this delineation, as well as the closed hardware.

Lets talk about the software first. A Sega video game system is limited to only the software titles that Sega has authorized. Sega defines the entire software ecosystem for that device. An iPad is no different, in that Apple runs the "App Store", the sole source of software for it, and Apple decides which software titles are or are not approved. A PC has no such limitation. I can run whatever OS I want on a PC. Linux, Windows, OS/2, DOS, FreeBSD, you name it. After selecting the OS, I can then select whatever software I want, or even write my own.

As for the hardware, the situation is the same. With a PC, I can expand its features and capabilities through industry standard expansion busses and interfaces. I can buy hardware from dozens of manufacturers to add new capabilities not envisioned by the PC manufacturer. A phone, an iPad, or a Sega video game console are completely different - they are closed proprietary hardware. I cannot expand them. I cannot add new capabilities. I cannot turn to multiple vendors to source replacement parts. It's a closed embedded appliance.

Phone/tablet/game console is a completely different hardware and software paradigm from a PC.


RE: convo
By karimtemple on 6/5/2013 9:18:11 AM , Rating: 2
Phones and tablets are general-purpose. You can't get office document, GPS maps, art doodling, and terminal emulator software on a Sega; not from Sega. You can do anything like that on a phone or tablet.

Approving software or having an App Store doesn't change the fact that the platform is both expected to be general-purpose and in fact is general-purpose.

I've seen iPad being used with scanners in warehouses and iPhones being used with hospital pharmacy systems. You can't do that with a Saturn.

quote:
I can run whatever OS I want on a PC. Linux, Windows, OS/2, DOS, FreeBSD, you name it. After selecting the OS, I can then select whatever software I want, or even write my own.
I believe the phrase you're looking for is "Wintel." All PCs started out as closed environments.

The original IBM PC was so successful comparatively that a couple of groups reverse-engineered the BIOS and companies started making "IBM-compatibles." The idea of an open, compatible platform didn't really start until then. IBM-compatible shifted to Intel/Windows-compatible -- Wintel.

It became the paradigm, but even today it doesn't actually define the personal computer. It's just one of the personal computer conventions.

This stuff is actually really straightforward. I don't get why people have to complicate everything all the time. It's plain to see that a tablet is a PC. When I first saw someone arguing about this, I thought they were being ironic.


RE: convo
By sprockkets on 5/31/2013 9:05:25 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
PC = Personal Computer.

Does the iPad compute things? Yes.
Is the iPad a personal device? Yes.

PC = Personal Computer = iPad

I think you are the arse.


The letters in PC may simply stand for "personal computer", but to ignore the fact that the past 25 years or so a "PC" meant being a WinTel device that ran Windows with an x86 processor is just as dumb. Both Apple and MS use the *connotation* of a PC and use/abuse it for their own ends.

Furthermore, an ipad cannot be used to make the very programs it runs, whereas a traditional PC can. This is usually where the line is drawn between the two.


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