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Wiis are for kiddies according to Microsoft

When it comes to taking jabs at the console competition, Sony is usually in the spotlight. Shortly after the announcement of Microsoft’s new $479.99 USD Xbox 360 Elite, Sony responded by stating: “The PlayStation 3 is the only elite gaming system on the market. Microsoft is trying to catch up to us at this point.”

Sony execs have also traded words with Nintendo over its hugely popular $249 Wii. The Wii has been burning up the North American sales charts outpacing both the Xbox 360 and the PS3. But back in early February, Sony's Dave Karraker labeled the Wii an “impulse buy.”

Now it appears that it’s Microsoft’s turn to kick a little mud now that it has confirmed what everyone has been talking about for weeks.  Instead of going after its perceived chief rival, the PS3, John Rodman, group product manager for Microsoft’s Xbox platform and Xbox Live, took the opportunity to take a shot at the Nintendo Wii.

“We don’t feel like the Wii customer and the Xbox customer are the same thing,” said Rodman. “We think that as soon as the Wii customer turns 14 they want something else.”

Microsoft still sticks by the notion that the Xbox 360 is for serious gamers and points to the fact that six out of ten Xbox 360 gamers are tapping into the Xbox Live online service.

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What happened to
By michal1980 on 3/28/2007 11:52:09 AM , Rating: 3
the Wii60 combo M$ was pushing Before.

RE: What happened to
By scavio on 3/28/2007 11:57:50 AM , Rating: 3
I don't know.. but I have a 360 and can't complete my combo because I don't have the time to dedicate and find a Wii in the stores.

Microsoft is coming dangerously close to losing their edge on Sony.... they need to continue being the "good guys" and let Sony look like the dark side. First, overpricing the new 360 and now dogging on Nintendo... not good.

RE: What happened to
By leidegre on 3/28/2007 12:19:22 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, a bit of goodwill might actually help them stay ahead without the Elite edition, which certainly is overpriced...

MS should spend thier time on making Gears of War 2, and 3, instead. Well maybe not a sequal to Gears of War, but it was a major exclusive Xbox 360 title, and it most certainly made sales on both consoles and games go up!

RE: What happened to
By othercents on 3/28/2007 12:59:13 PM , Rating: 2
Adding the Elite actually gives customers something to think about especially those people who are on the fence about getting a 360. Personally I have been waiting for HDMI cable to show up on the 360 along with games that I would play. Right now I'm tempted to get a Elite edition with a gaming wheel and some driving games.

However the draw back of the Elite is that they didn't include a HDDVD drive in the system (I don't want an external drive) and they were not able to complete the die shrink on the processor. I might hold out longer especially since I'm satisfied with my PC for gaming.


RE: What happened to
By artemicion on 3/28/2007 5:09:38 PM , Rating: 4
Any marketing-savy person will tell you that adding the Elite XBox 360 to Microsoft's line-up isn't tell sell more Elites, it's to sell more Pros (the middle 360 offering). It's just in the natural consumer psyche to purchase the "middle" offering. The lowest offering is generally too "cheap", while the highest offering is generally viewed as a luxury, making the middle buy the most appealing in any three-pronged offering.
Same reason why every competetive fast food restaurant generally offers three "sizes" of meals - to sell more of the middle size.

RE: What happened to
By marvdmartian on 3/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: What happened to
By FITCamaro on 3/28/2007 1:13:37 PM , Rating: 2
They didn't say it was poor quality. They're saying the games are generally targeted towards younger people. Which is largely true. However, the fact is that many people in their 20s and older are buying a Wii.

Also, the 360 is not double the price of the Wii. It's a minimum of $50 more. With the Elite, a maximum of $230. But to play games, you only need the Core system. I'm not saying either is better than the other. Just to play games on one vs. the other, there's a $50 price difference. If you want to spend the extra money for more, which is worth it in my opinion, you can.

RE: What happened to
By Spivonious on 3/28/2007 2:33:03 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, but to play games on the 360 you need to shell out $60 for a game. That makes minimum $110 difference.

Wii Sports is still the game I play most.

RE: What happened to
By RMSistight on 3/28/2007 2:48:49 PM , Rating: 2
Amen. I always have a blast with that game. And plus, having a Wii helps you get the ladies back to your place. Heheh....because they like playing it too.

RE: What happened to
By animedude on 3/28/2007 3:29:33 PM , Rating: 2
"And plus, having a Wii helps you get the ladies back to your place."

Very true!

RE: What happened to
By thegrimreaper3 on 4/2/07, Rating: 0
RE: What happened to
By OxBow on 3/29/2007 1:56:48 PM , Rating: 2
With the $250 Wii you get everything you need to play, including a game. With the $300 360core you get a barely useable console. The 360 core is so hamstrung it's a travesty. By the time you purchase all parts to make the 360 core usefull, or a 360 premium plus rechargeable battery, etc. you are way over twice the price of a Wii.

Microsoft is painting itself into a corner here. Claiming to be the game system for mature gamers, they are fencing themselves in to a small corner of a growing market, rather than looking at strategies to claim newly opened market share. Nintendo said from the outset that they are marketing at a far bigger segment of the population than "gamers." Sony is trying a similar, albeit less ambitious goal of converging videophiles and gamers. It seems to me that Microsoft is getting defensive of their strategy of focusing only on hardcore gamers.

Everyone has said that it looks like Nintendo took a suprising first place finish, leaving Sony and Microsoft to fight over who claims second. I wonder if Microsoft is starting to see some of their marketing decisions coming around to haunt them with the real possibility of ending up third.

The jury is still out for who will "win" the console war. Personally, I think each side will declare victory over their target market and go home, given how different the three units are. To see Microsoft baiting Nintendo, when just last year they were saying Wii+360, is a pretty funny.

RE: What happened to
By mlambert890 on 4/3/2007 5:56:53 PM , Rating: 2
What an utterly ridiculous exaggeration. What is with this Wii worship rampant on the net? Did no one notice the amazingly overpriced peripherals? Why does Nintendo get NO criticism.

The 360 core is "so hamstrung its a travesty"? Maybe to you, hell bent on slamming the 360, it appears that way. Meanwhile, I know PLENTY of people who are more than fine on the core. Not everyone needs a wireless controller and not everyone wants to store content on the 360. GoW runs just fine on a core system and so will Halo 3. In fact, there really arent any games that wont work on the core.

Meanwhile, a Wii remote/nunchuck combo (which I really consider ONE full featured Wii controller) set me back $60. Thats a lot for a second controller. I also bought that silly legacy controller for older games ($30) since the basic Wii remote really isnt usable for anything "pre Wii". I wonder how many other $50-$60 controller gimics will end up "required" for the Wii.

On the games side, Im seeing $50 Wii games vs $60 PS3 or XB360 games. Most of my Wii games I view as a mindless distraction (all except Zelda really), whereas Resistance and GoW I put a LOT of time into completing and then even more time into online play and unlocking achievements. My time on the Wii tends to come downs to "friends are over, lets mess with the Wii for a bit"

These are all nice systems and the Wii is interesting, but I dont understand why it has become the latest internet religion with over the type crusaders going to war at the slightest critique of it.

RE: What happened to
By Ticholo on 3/28/2007 12:48:28 PM , Rating: 2
I guess MS wasn't expecting the Wii to sell this well so fast.
They're probably starting to feel the pressure of their most direct competitor, at least in pricing.
I feel that where Sony lost some of its initial momentum, Nintendo just hasn't lost it yet.
And since the more customers they have, the more publishers will look at the Wii as a viable platform for investment, they might not lose momentum for quite a while.

RE: What happened to
By bkm32 on 3/28/2007 4:25:24 PM , Rating: 2
This is poor vision on MS' part. Remember, Nintendo expanded the gaming market (after a huge recession), and Sony expanded it even further. How did they do this? BY REACHING NEW CONSUMERS!! Nintendo is again expanding the market by reaching a new type (s) of consumer: elderly, parents, and females (adolescent and up) and . Keep in mind that females out-number males in this country (US) and the world), and roughly 10-30 percent of all gamers are female.

To win this new console war, MS and Sony need to beat Nintendo at reaching these new consumer types.

RE: What happened to
By Gatt on 3/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: What happened to
By regnez on 3/28/2007 7:32:00 PM , Rating: 2
"Gimmick" was a word frequently used to describe the DS before/shortly after it came out, right before its (still) continuing success across the globe. In fact, in Japan the DS is still selling out everywhere.

I am not really partial to any system or company, and I hope all five (DS and PSP included) of them are incredibly successful for competitions sake, but right now the Wii is outselling both the PS3 and the 360.

It is too early to determine a winner of the console wars, and it is also too early to determine whether or not the Wii has staying power.

Also, it is only a rumor that Nintendo is intentionally withholding supply, and the reason behind the rumor was because they had already met this years financial goals, not to boost profits.

Lastly, I disagree about the Wii being geared towards children. I own a PS1, PS2, 360, DS, PSP, and a Wii. Whenever I have non-gaming company over, the only console that ever gets powered on is the Wii, and this is among 20+ year old people.

RE: What happened to
By Den on 4/2/2007 12:32:35 PM , Rating: 2
Grandma isn't lining up to buy a Wii, nor is she going to. Wii's selling to people who like video games, it's not pulling in your 40something lifelong non-gamer, and it's never going to.

My Mom (60) and grandmother (82) both own a Wii and love it. My grandmother plays it with her bridge buddies and 1 of them has already bought one and another 2 are trying to. I agree that the Wii may not be fun for hard core gamers, but guess what, you are outnumbered :)

RE: What happened to
By mlambert890 on 4/3/2007 6:00:06 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah ok. Well my grandma (95) has an XBox 360, a PS3 and a water cooled PC. There you go. Another unsubstantiated, unprovable, annectodal internet BS comment to add to the "debate".

Ill believe the "grandma and mom are buying Wiis FOR THEMSELVES TO USE!!!" hype when I see REAL unbiased stats from a non-Nintendo financed source thanks.

Maybe you arent lying about your mom and grandmother, but how can anyone know that? Sorry, but this is hardly "evidence" that Nintendo has tapped some new gold mine of business by finally reaching people who lived their entire lives not having ANY need (and actually actively disliking) video games and technology in general.

RE: What happened to
By bkm32 on 4/4/2007 10:47:47 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget that many of the Wii's new consumers are women in the 18-40 yr. range. These are college women, mothers, and professionals. This is a new untapped demographic that Nintendo is cornering with their "cute" system. This group alone represents 20M-50M (probably more) consumers. That's expansion!

MS and Sony better wake up and smell the Estrogen.

RE: What happened to
By AssMonkey76 on 3/28/2007 4:28:12 PM , Rating: 4
“We don’t feel like the Wii customer and the Xbox customer are the same thing,” said Rodman. “We think that as soon as the Wii customer turns 14 they want something else.”

When did Microsoft hire Sony PR folks to work for them? Come on Microsoft...dont stoop to Sonys level.

RE: What happened to
By mydogfarted on 4/2/2007 10:37:09 AM , Rating: 2
“We don’t feel like the Wii customer and the Xbox customer are the same thing,” said Rodman. “We think that as soon as the Wii customer turns 14 they want something else.”

He's right, when I was 14 I wanted something better than what was on the market. Nintendo came through then too with the ground breaking NES.

*Proud owner of: Atari 2600, Intellivision, ColecoVision, NES, Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast, XBox, GameCube, XBox360, Wii*

all I have to say is.....
By Souka on 3/28/2007 11:51:12 AM , Rating: 5
One of my recent fav videos....

Wii vs PS3....clearly showing how much better Wii is...

RE: all I have to say is.....
By bplewis24 on 3/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: all I have to say is.....
By maevinj on 3/28/2007 2:24:16 PM , Rating: 2
Hell, I'd buy a WII based on that video.

RE: all I have to say is.....
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 3/28/2007 4:34:08 PM , Rating: 3
Dude, anyone under 14 would want to play with the Wii, like she was the cool and fun baby sitter...Anyone over 14 would want to play with the Wii because she was the COOL and FUN baby sitter...YEAAA..spank me Wii! I'm going to buy my Wii right now!!

Blu-ray can bite my *ss

That was the funniest thing I've seen in days thanks.

RE: all I have to say is.....
By bplewis24 on 3/28/2007 5:02:06 PM , Rating: 2
There is a reason why the "cool and fun" babysitter was half naked. If you can't figure out the irony in that video, then I completely understand why it was the funniest thing you've seen in days.


RE: all I have to say is.....
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 3/28/2007 5:58:49 PM , Rating: 4
Brandon my friend, I getting the impression you are still very young, under 25 years old. At an age where you do not quite understand it’s the really simple, little things in life that gives you the greatest pleasure/enjoyment; spending time with family, watching a sunset over the coast, hitting a golf ball a country mile, good times with old friends, and the smile of a pretty girl…Mr. Hefner would agree, he has a ton of money and what does he have around him? Sun, pools, spa, girls and wild animals. Yea, I give you blowing something up is fun, and if I can use a side arm missile launcher even better. However, it’s still the simple things in life were you will find the most fun. I say the Wii girl looked pretty simple and like a lot of fun. If you see more than a simple, cute girl, who looks like she just wants to have fun (meaning the system is simple, cute, and fun), then you missed the point of the ad and are reading way to much into it. However, good luck and best wishes as you write your theses.

A question I would ask though, do you like girls??? :)

Just kidding of course...

RE: all I have to say is.....
By sladeviper on 3/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: all I have to say is.....
By bplewis24 on 3/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: all I have to say is.....
By Suomynona on 3/29/2007 4:48:32 AM , Rating: 2
The "I know something you don't know" attitude is really unbecoming. If you have a point, say it instead of hinting at it. Otherwise your just being an annoying child and should stay out of the discussion.

RE: all I have to say is.....
By bplewis24 on 3/29/2007 2:18:11 PM , Rating: 2
It was clearly stated in the first post, so read it if you're looking for the point. It's nice how you too have to resort to insults instead of trying to address the point. Why so defensive?

I should stay out of the discussion? Who are you to determine who can post their comments and who cant? And when somebody is telling me about the finer points of life as if he is wiser than me I shouldn't respond right? And that makes ME the annoying child? Get real.


RE: all I have to say is.....
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 3/29/2007 11:08:24 AM , Rating: 2
Ahhhh still much for you to learn. You only know what I want to you know about what I’m thinking. You have no idea what I’m actually thinking or understanding. If you think that was any form of a veiled insult, well you must be fooled a lot, because it was pretty straight forward. I never said you “can’t” appreciate the little things life. I said you do not appreciate the little things in life, big difference in meaning. I also said, “If you see more than a simple, cute girl, who looks like she just wants to have fun (meaning the system is simple, cute, and fun), then you missed the point of the ad and are reading way to much into it.” That does not mean you can not write your theses on this commercial, come up with several different ironies, which if you care to know I can come up with at least 25 from this commercial, you seem to be stuck on just one. No means nothing like that at all, just means you’re thinking about it way to much instead of just enjoying the humor (or attempt at humor) the creator of this was expressing. Have some fun, life is too short smug and self-righteous.

RE: all I have to say is.....
By bplewis24 on 3/29/2007 2:25:50 PM , Rating: 2
You can mask this as you (the wise one) trying to educate me (the young one with much to learn) all you want, but the fact that you keep glossing over the obvious points is very telling.

I personally don't care what you know or what you are thinking. This is a dicussion/comment board, so I post in response to what is written. My comment about the irony in the Wii girl being eye-candy are clear. You can avoid the merits of the discussion by putting it off on "you're just reading too much into it" or "you don't appreciate the little things in life" routine if you want, but that course is pretty transparent. And then even more irony from you in lecturing me about being smug and self-righteous after you lectured me about how little I know and how much more you know. Very comical.


RE: all I have to say is.....
By KernD on 3/29/2007 3:54:51 PM , Rating: 2
This is not about the look of the games, it's about the consoles, the Wii is small and the PS3 is fat. Yea there is allot more eye-candy in PS3 games... almost as much as in 360 games... but the point of this is not the look of the games, graphics are overrated.

RE: all I have to say is.....
By mlambert890 on 4/3/2007 6:06:28 PM , Rating: 2
Graphics are overrated to the people who repeat that like a mantra to themselves. So you have your console that doesnt have any graphical horsepower to entertain you for the rest of eternity (or until Nintendo makes a pink or blue one since, like Apple fans, Nintendo fans will buy 400 of the same product in different colors)

To many of us, though, graphics DO matter. We, in 2007, want gameplay AND graphics. Sorry if that really bothers the Wii fanatics. I dont understand why that is so contraversial.

The MS comment was reasonable. Maybe people 60 today really are somehow loving the Wii, but Ill tell you right now, only 20-40 year old jaded forum posters pining for the days of the NES and Atari 2600 would question whether or not Gears of War, Halo 3 and GTA IV can and WILL reel in 15-18 year olds en masse!

By medavid16 on 3/28/2007 11:54:47 AM , Rating: 2
That sounds like a Sony comment.

Let's face it. Alot of the Wii players are already 14+ years old. In fact, I'm sure some of the MS execs have it, as Sony's exec admitteldy has Wii consoles.

Come on, don't sink to that level... and we all know who that is.

RE: Haha
By thebrown13 on 3/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: Haha
By lufoxe on 3/28/2007 1:16:47 PM , Rating: 2
Have you played the Wii?

Ya know I was about to ask you the same thing. It's a very fun system.
simple graphics does not equal kiddie. Just play some examples of this, 1 is for the "kiddie" wii and the other is on the PS2. Elebits is shaped to look like a kids game, but it's quite entertaining, and not something most kids will play (controls). The other is katamari damacy, definately a simplistic and "kiddie" looking game. But give an average9 year old the controller, and they can't work it.

So I guess what I'm trying to say thebrown13 is, before you go ahead and trash something, do adequate research on it first.

RE: Haha
By PrezWeezy on 3/28/2007 2:05:00 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I played the Wii last night as I do at least once a week at my friends house. It's interesting, and it's kinda fun, but it is kiddie. I don't consider myself a hard core gamer, but at the same time I like the 360 over the Wii. I will be buying a Wii at some point, but that's so I can go download ToeJam and Earl, the original mario bros, sonic, Zelda, and some other old games. That's where I see the real value in the Wii is the fact that it is so versatile. Don't disreguard someone's comment though because you have a different opinion. I've done plenty of adequate research and I would still agree with thebrown13.

RE: Haha
By Spivonious on 3/28/2007 2:31:50 PM , Rating: 5
It's "kiddie" because the games aren't serious and gore-filled? Last time I checked, games were about having fun, and the Wii games are 10x more fun than any console game I've played since the Sega Genesis left the market.

RE: Haha
By Psychless on 3/28/2007 4:46:57 PM , Rating: 2
You are exactly right. The Wii concentrated on making the console fun and reaching a new audience. I think that a lot of the "hard core gamers" forget the actual purpose of a game.

RE: Haha
By eman7613 on 3/28/2007 2:30:27 PM , Rating: 1
I agree, im older then 14, but i LOVE the wii, its a lot of fun to play. Especial fun to watch my dad try to play. What i dont understand is M$'s argument

Microsoft still sticks by the notion that the Xbox 360 is for serious gamers and points to the fact that six out of ten Xbox 360 gamers are tapping into the Xbox Live online service.

Ok... so you saying, "our gamers are serious, they are intelligible enough to use the free service provided with the product." Well, so if 7/10 wii owners play online, does taht mean the 360 is now the kiddie console?

RE: Haha
By encryptkeeper on 3/28/2007 5:56:15 PM , Rating: 2
The unfortunate truth is that the definition of a "hardcore gamer" seems to be someone that spends above average time playing video games every day with little exception. If that is true, then yes, several 360 players I know talk very little about their lives other than the time they spend playing halo 2 and gears of war. That is regardless of age groups. Plus, at 14+ there's a lot of pressure to have the best stuff. Nintendo Wii owners like the Wii because it's enjoyable, not just because Johnny from down the street has one. Don't rag on the Wii because it has less powerful graphics and power, Nintento generated a genuine interest in the console in a culture that prizes what's fastest and strongest in everything available, which is a true feat. Microsoft won't accept it because everything they've touched since the 360 issues were fixed has turned to shit (Zune, Vista, response to Apple commercials)

RE: Haha
By OxBow on 3/29/2007 2:18:48 PM , Rating: 2
The scary thing, is that if since online poker is considered a "video game" then the vast number of "hard core gamers" are gambling addicts "playing" poker online.

Not a demographic any of these companies want to court (at least overtly).

The general idea that comes to my mind when I think of a "hard core" gamer is someone playing an online shooter every night and all weekend, whether that be Doom, Quake, Counterstrike or Halo. The truth of the matter is that the "hard core" gamer market is such an amorphic term it's rather useless. WOW players account for a large portion of the market, but for some reason aren't considered "hard core" gamers. The same can be said for SIM's fans, etc.

All these groups are technically gamers, but they don't compose the demographics that Nintendo is looking at. Will they buy a Wii, sure, but Nintendo is wanting people who don't play ANY video games to give it a try. They designed their console to do just that. Since it's been successfull, the demand exceeds supply and you have shortages.

That is only to be expected if your market is so much larger than what Microsoft and Sony were looking at. I think Nintendo's mistake was not expanding the manufacturing capacity to accomodate a larger market. I'd guese that, given how short the product lifespan on the Wii is likely to be, that we'll not see adequate supply to meet market demand until Nintendo announces the sucessor to the Wii.

I dunno
By jonnybnimble on 3/28/2007 12:19:38 PM , Rating: 4
It's hard to beat playing warioware for drinking games. By far the worst graphics ever and whoever made the game had to be on serious crack, but definately loads of fun... and even brings me back to the days of blades of steel and cobra triangle.. etc etc

wii works for people that want simple fun

RE: I dunno
By Spivonious on 3/28/2007 2:21:16 PM , Rating: 3
Holy crap that game has some oddball minigames in it. But I totally agree: it's loads of fun.

wii works for people that want simple fun

And who doesn't want to have fun without a 15 hour learning curve?

RE: I dunno
By Spivonious on 3/28/2007 2:23:25 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, and by the way MS, I'm 25, my wife is 23, my father is 59, my aunt is 58, and my friends range from 21-26. They all loved the Wii as soon as they played it and never once got frustrated by the controls. Half of them have already bought their own. The other half can't find them in stores.

If you want to make an impact, sell to the biggest audience possible. That is never "serious gamers".

RE: I dunno
By Madzombie on 3/28/2007 5:42:54 PM , Rating: 2
This is a major argument in favour of the Wii, and simpler games in general. I was introduced to Halo a couple of years back. I never had much fun with it because I was starting at the bottom, while everyone else was already experienced and knew all the levels and weapon locations. As I didn't have an Xbox it would take me hours of losing repeatedly at multiplayer to finally get the hang of where everything was and what the best strategies were. With games such as Wario Ware and Wii Sports this is not a problem. Most of the mini games, such as bungee buddies and darts, have a 30 second learning curve. People who had never played games past the 16 bit era were having a hell of a time at Wii Boxing within minutes of starting up the system. Yet had I introduced them to an FPS they would not have had much fun at all. Complicated games are enjoyable for seasoned gamers willing to put hours into playing and learning all techniques, such as myself, but the majority of people just want quick, clean fun.

RE: I dunno
By animedude on 3/28/2007 3:32:50 PM , Rating: 2
People get stress out from work and just want some fun. Not more stress with intense gaming.

They used a wrong choice of words...
By joemoedee on 3/28/2007 3:10:31 PM , Rating: 2
I agree somewhat with what MS said, but I would have worded it differently.

"When the novelty of the Wii runs out, then people will turn towards other systems."

I was one of the lucky ones to get a Wii back around Christmas time. I played it a lot with friends, but after the holidays it just sat there unused. Wii Sports is a great party game, and I think the Wii in and of itself will always have the market as a party system. However, I could not find myself sitting there alone playing Wii Sports (Or Excitetruck, or the monstrosity that is Madden 07 on the Wii)

I found myself playing VC games, mainly games I've bought for the at least the third time now. (Just how many copies of SMB does one need to own?) Fun, but not worth the price of admission.

So I sold the Wii on Ebay, haven't regretted it. If I feel like playing Wii in a party atmosphere, I'll go to a friend's house.

On the same token, I'm not wholeheartedly impressed with either the Xbox360 or PS3... yet. As I get older I'm not as impressed with graphics, and I'm still waiting for fun games. As much as I've played Madden on current/next gen systems, it still pales in comparison to the fun I had playing Tecmo Super Bowl on the NES. (And the same goes for many other games versus their new counterparts) The prices of the systems are still high, but more importantly so are the prices of the games. The value factor is just not there yet, especially when you can purchase very good games used for the "last" gen systems for a fraction of a next-gen new/used game price.

Value and fun... That's the promise of the Wii, and if they can bring out more games that can bridge the novelty and fun factor together, I may buy another one a year from now...

In the meantime I'm going to dust off the Gamecube and play Mario Party 7 with the wife. Blockbuster had it 50% off. Score.

RE: They used a wrong choice of words...
By bplewis24 on 3/28/2007 11:09:06 PM , Rating: 2
Finally somebody with some reason and sense. I'm glad that you've injected some truth and reality into this thread. Sycophants who deny the Wii's gimmickery and suppress the reality that the novelty will someday wear off control these discussions, but every once in a while some logic and reason seeps through.


RE: They used a wrong choice of words...
By LtFarva on 3/29/2007 10:57:37 AM , Rating: 2
Just buy the system you want for the games you want and forget about it. This Microsoft moron doesn't realize that people older over 20 are buying a Wii because they love and have always loved Nintendo's games. The novely of the controls will wear off, sure, but people won't grow to hate them. As long as there are enjoyable games that use the controls well, there will be no problems. I have a Wii and just built a new pc for the games. I don't have a 360 because the majority of the good games for it are shooters, and I am just not into shooters that much. In the future when the price drops, I'll probably own one, but not anytime soon.
Brandon, your comment might be just going against the nintendo fanboys, which I wholeheartedly understand, but it also implies that you are ousting the Wii only because of the controls. That to me is a fanboy comment. If that wasn't your intention then I apologize, but it could use some rewording.

RE: They used a wrong choice of words...
By bplewis24 on 3/29/2007 2:46:55 PM , Rating: 2
No, I'm not ousting the Wii, but as you correctly picked up on I am contrarian to the fanboy point of view around here.

My thoughts on the Wii are that it is a great idea from a marketing perspective that will have great success early in it's life cycle, especially in a group or party type of atmosphere. And also that any type of novelty will wear off over time, and eventually the actual substance involved in the games/gaming system is what will give it replay value over the long-run. If it was priced closer to $150 I would consider purchasing one, because that is my subjective, personal and perceived value/worth of the system and it's capabilities. My buddy figured differently and waited in line and paid full price for the Wii. He then played it for 2 months, beat Zelda, got tired of every other game the Wii had to offer, didn't touch it for over 3 weeks and finally sold it on Ebay.

IMO, each console has their obvious strengths and weaknesses. But one thing that cannot be denied is that any type of gamer can appreciate an immersive, intense and sustained game experience just as much--and most times even more so--than simple surface fun type of games. There is no reason why a gamer should have to be forced into one or the other, just like nobody should be forced to only watch either a drama genre of movie or a light-hearted comedy every time they want to go to the theatre. Whether the experience comes from Zelda, FF, or Halo, an immersive game experience with an engaging storyline as well as action/entertainment has very good value to a person who has dropped money on a console, accessories, and games.

What happens around here is that people use a subjective and opinionated definition of "fun" geared towards some very simple and shallow meaning to prove that the Wii is the superior console that will win the current gen battle. I could go into why I disagree and why that linear (and assumptive) type of logic is flawed, but this post would get even longer...and nobody wants to sit through that :|

The bottom line is that there is clearly not just one type of "best fun" or "most fun" like Wii fanboys would have you believe.


By LtFarva on 3/29/2007 6:21:01 PM , Rating: 2
Personal perceived value of the system is much better than I could have put it. Everything is subjective. I was hoping that's what you meant, I just read it the wrong way.
Of course, it doesn't help that blogs have an extremely unrealistic fanboy to gamer ratio.

By zam786 on 3/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: 14
By Suomynona on 3/28/2007 12:00:16 PM , Rating: 1
d00d ur not helpn the cause wen u type like ur txtn

RE: 14
By yak8998 on 4/2/2007 12:59:49 AM , Rating: 2
thats the funniest damn thing I've read all day. Thank you. I'm still laughing

RE: 14
By Mudvillager on 3/28/2007 12:27:19 PM , Rating: 2
l0lz uR teH l4mErZ xb0X 360s for liv3z R0FL lMa0

RE: 14
By Mudvillager on 3/28/2007 1:56:38 PM , Rating: 2
What's wrong with people these days? Sarcasm no longer appreciated?

RE: 14
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 3/28/2007 4:20:24 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, it is, but only if you really are sarcastic. :)

And The 360 Isn't A Toy?
By kelmon on 3/28/2007 12:15:52 PM , Rating: 5
Both Microsoft and Sony definitely have ideas above their station. I'm sorry but games consoles are toys. There's nothing wrong with this and the fact remains that no matter how old you get toys are still fun. However, trying to pretend that the 360 is something more than a toy is just nonsense and attaching a silly price tag to it doesn't change this fact - now it's just an even more expensive toy. The Wii has the advantage in that at least it is a sensibly priced toy...

RE: And The 360 Isn't A Toy?
By BMFPitt on 3/28/2007 12:55:14 PM , Rating: 2
I'm 27, and I think the Wii is a blast. Enjoying my Wii60 combo very much, and patiently waiting for the "kiddie game" Mario Party 8. Just about every one of my (well over 14 year old) friends who have played it want to buy one.

Maybe this is what they meant with MS catching up to Sony?

RE: And The 360 Isn't A Toy?
By animedude on 3/28/2007 3:30:27 PM , Rating: 2
One of the reason for me to get a Wii is Mario Party 8.

Things change...
By oTAL on 3/28/2007 12:14:06 PM , Rating: 4
Well... I guess both Sony and MS stopped feeding the distant 3rd contender once they were outsold... I remember both companies saying that Wii was a nice console that could complement their product...
I believe MS said that one could buy an XBOX and a Wii for the price of a PS3...

Once you become a threat a you stop being a "decent complement".... guess that Nintendo could now say that either a PS3 or a 360 are a decent complement for a Wii...

Truth is both Sony and MS should be thanking Nintendo. In the long run, the Wii wil end up creating gamers out of non-gamers which will benefit the industry. In the short run though, I guess Nintendo may take the current generations crown....

RE: Things change...
By bplewis24 on 3/28/2007 1:11:04 PM , Rating: 1
You make very valid and good points. I disagree that the Wii will win the current generation, but your points are valid.


Right comment, wrong point.
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 3/28/2007 12:22:51 PM , Rating: 3
“We don’t feel like the Wii customer and the Xbox customer are the same thing,” said Rodman. “We think that as soon as the Wii customer turns 14 they want something else.”

Yes, the Wii customers and Xbox customers are different customers, sometime the same, but it's because of a different style of play not because of age. Someone needs to tell Microsoft there are a lot of 80 year olds (a bit over 14) buying the Wii and having great fun playing it one their own and with their grandkids. No other gaming systems has ever done that....

RE: Right comment, wrong point.
By fic2 on 3/28/2007 1:42:52 PM , Rating: 2
I have been thinking about getting a wii form my 78 yo dad. He loves to play golf, but can't get out to play more than once a week because of his hip. From what I have read the Tiger Woods golf game will be (or is - is it out yet) outstanding. It might get him to actually do something when he comes home from his half day at work instead of watch tv/read.

Anybody know if wii and, in particular, TG Golf can do internet play? I think he would actually use it if he could play against people from all over.

Wow, you guys are reading this way wrong...
By tehfire on 3/28/2007 1:36:34 PM , Rating: 1
I don't see what's so wrong about what MS said - it's not that they're bashing Nintendo at all. The main demographic for 360 is Teens and up, and the main demographic for Wii is Teens and younger. MS was just saying that they're different markets. Why's everybody blowing this out to be something it's not? MS likes Nintendo...they're not putting Linux on their consoles :-P

By MrFluffo on 3/28/2007 2:20:49 PM , Rating: 2
The way they make it sound though is that once the people who own the Wii will get bored of fun/quirky games, and look for more serious games about shooting or racing. The point is, even though you get older the quirky games are always fun. Look at lego star wars, it had quirky/cartoony humor, and was kid appropiate, however how many older people do u think played it?

By Gatt on 3/28/2007 6:12:21 PM , Rating: 2
It's mainly because you're surrounded by a large group of people who've either...

1. Bought a Wii based on the novelty and don't want to deal with the fact that Nintendo's target market has been young-teens/children for years. They'll continue to swear up and down that the Wii is for adults and all adults will buy one until Half-Life 2 is ported and all of the Humans are changed to Zombies, or bullets no longer kill people, just make them fall asleep.

2. Have blindly jumped on the "MS sucks because some linux/mac user told me they are horrible." bandwagon. It's pretty much hopeless here, because these people will insist that Microsoft is evil and computing would be better if we had 100 different command line OS's and were back to the early 80's where the vast majority of people couldn't use a computer.

Either way, they'll carry on indefintely, either hating on MS or swearing that the Wii is going to take over the world and it isn't geared towards kids.

My Take...
By KippLitz on 3/28/2007 4:30:07 PM , Rating: 3
Hello all, Long time listener, First time caller! :)

I am a fairly average gamer. I own a PS2, Xbox,a fully decked out PC for gaming (Counter Strike Source is my current addiction), and just found and purchased a Wii last night. I am 39, married with one son who is 6, white picket fence, 2.5 dogs, etc. You know the drill, just an average married guy with a son who grew up on games in the 80's and can't let go. :)

I am just going to throw a bunch of pasta at the wall and see what sticks.

I travel for my job a bit and have been looking for a Wii since launch with no success (until last night). Since about mid January every where I go and the stores I walk in to (Circuit City, Best Buy, Target, Wal-Mart, EB, Etc.) I have been able to see, and purchase if I desired, Xbox 360s and PS3s. No Wiis...not a one. Discounting all I read here on the web, I could not buy a Wii until now. I could have owned as many 360s or PS3s as I wanted. The demand for Wiis is certainly greater just taking that small sample from personal experience. So no matter what press release or Market Speak you want to pitch, the reality is I could buy 360s and PS3s any time I wanted...but not Wiis.

PS3s are too expensive and the Xbox is behind it. I think the magical $299 price point is where most families draw the line at a gaming console. Do I want a PS3 or 360? Sure. But not until the pricing comes down. No matter how good they are, they are not my PC. Once you add extra controllers, a few games, tax, etc. the PS3 is a $1000 console. The 360 is $700. The Wii with four controllers, 4 nun chucks, 4 classic controllers and 3 games was about $600. So as you can see, none of the current systems are 'really' the price you see, not once you deck it out and can play it with more than 1 person.

Early adoptors will always pay whatever the cost to have the newest, latest and greatest but once those customers are through the cash register, sales rail back until the price becomes more in line with mainstream buyers. The PS3 is not currently in line with main stream buyers. The Xbox is closer. The Wii is there.

As for game play, the Wii is an absolute blast. The neighbors brought their girl down to play and all of us could not get enough. It is not about the graphics but the interactive, communal fun the Wii creates. Young and old alike can use the controller, play and have a great time. If I get the itch for serious graphics, my humming, warm and eager PC is ready to roll. For Get Together Have A Blast fun, the Wii is more than ready.

I am not knocking the PS3 or 360, I will eventually own both as the price drops but I thin mainstream america has spoken loudly with their wallets and the Wii is a perfect fit for what most of them are looking for.

Once again, just my opinions and thoughts. You mileage may vary.

RE: My Take...
By Sartori42 on 3/29/2007 8:30:56 AM , Rating: 2
Well stated. Also a first-time poster and don't know why this thread prompted me to join the fray. But it did.

I think the sales figures tell a lot about each company's marketing savvy. Personally, I don't own a PS2/3 or Xbox anything, but do own a GameCube and will purchase a Wii as soon as I can find one. Before you scoff at this, consider that not everyone is a "gamer". I'm surely not. I do like to play computer games, but have no interest in being trendy with how I spend my free time. I have many hobbies to take up what free time I have, which FOLLOWS my responsibilities as a provider, husband, and father. So, while the PS3 and Xbox 360 may appeal to "gamers", I suspect that the Wii will appeal to the masses of people who don't devote so much time to a solitary activity. When I play a console game on the GameCube, it's usually MarioCart against the kids. Not the trendiest game, but it's fun, and for us that's paramount. The sales figures seem to indicate that Nintendo is aimed at a larger market. I suspect all 3 consoles will do well with their respective audiences.

Finally, I suspect by taking a swipe at Nintendo, rather than at Sony, MS diminishes Sony as if they aren't important enough to worry about. Clever, if that was their intention.

It's always nice...
By Phillycat on 3/28/2007 1:22:20 PM , Rating: 2
It's always nice to see grown men act like children.

Sony takes shots at microsoft, microsoft takes shots nintendo, and nintendo doesnt say anything because it's too busy making games and counting it's money.

RE: It's always nice...
By kmiller1700 on 3/28/2007 4:10:59 PM , Rating: 2
so true.

for sony to say this:
By scrapsma54 on 3/28/2007 2:06:39 PM , Rating: 2
Sony responded by stating: “The PlayStation 3 is the only elite gaming system on the market. Microsoft is trying to catch up to us at this point.”

They do not have any games, nor any outstanding exclusives. Why do they think microsoft is trying catch up? obviously the wii is doing much better and this is a pathetic remark on sony's part since thay had the worst launch.

RE: for sony to say this:
By killerroach on 3/28/2007 4:20:40 PM , Rating: 2
I think that, with the stable of first- and second-party developers that Sony has, they can do okay for themselves. However, it might take longer than they'd really want for that to happen, but I wouldn't count them out. I wouldn't expect them to dominate this generation, as they and Microsoft both dropped the ball in overplaying the HD game, but they should have enough quality titles to make the system worth their while eventually (granted, that's the problem; Sony can't afford to compete "eventually", but rather compete now).

As for the Wii, well, the casual gaming market is huge. If you have a product that can cater to the non-traditional gamer, and price it to fit that niche, then watch out. I personally think some Wii titles should probably be made a bit cheaper to meet this end (games like Rayman Raving Rabbids, Mario Party 8, and Wario Ware Smooth Moves should be priced to move as "impulse buy" sorts of titles), but, by having the absolute price edge over the 360 and PS3, Nintendo can do extremely well for themselves by just keeping the management in neutral and focus on making game upon game, something they seem to be doing a heck of a job with.

MS reached the next level...
By kitchme on 3/28/2007 12:03:04 PM , Rating: 3
I guess once their console reaches that critical price (>$450), they go to a next level. Their heads get clouded, and also they can use 'inferior and immature' in their statements.

Missing the underlying lesson...
By Myg on 3/28/2007 3:16:47 PM , Rating: 3
Microsoft is being taught a lesson here, but this apparent stubborness is denying them the benefeit.

Nintendo understands and strives to make games and experiences which, should hardly be given a name such as "kiddie", but more appropriately: "Pure"

[( Purity - the condition or quality of being pure; freedom from anything that debases, contaminates, pollutes, etc.]

With that thought in mind, examine the types of games which exist for the current competing systems.

You will find that most in-house Nintendo games fill that train of thought as best they can, whereas their competition fail to see beyond the blindness of their few short successes, using excess violence and gore (GTA, etc) which are only driven by hype and careless curiosity, and always short lives.

Now with that in mind, lets look at gaming itself. Grasping the essence of gaming, we find the desire for fun.

Fun -
1. something that provides mirth or amusement
2. enjoyment or playfulness

Now, theres a few problems which need to be outlined:
- Fun can be diluted by drawn out story lines, or excessive time requirements to enjoy further.
- Fun can be polluted with violence, too strong focus on graphics, and the greed of the developers to hook people into a painful and long lasting addiction (see MMORPGS) to line their pockets.

If you closely examine these basic ideas, you will clearly see where im going with this.

Nintendo's games arnt 100% pure, but they are the closest thing there is. Thats why Nintendo are a success and will continue to be so, they grasp for the basic want of fun, and try to leave out all the other gunk.

Meanwhile, sony and microsoft currently bask in their previous glories and short-sighted ideals, but they are now running into a problem: everything has been tried, no meadow has been excluded from their orgy. Their visions led them to corrupt the same industry which they sought to uplift and bring to new life.

In ending, Nintendo are in the best possible position, the others are not. No egotistical ranting of microsoft will change that, their only choice is to try and learn from it.

I agree.
By vze4z7nx on 3/28/2007 4:12:02 PM , Rating: 1
I totally agree with the article.

Just look at who plays these games nowadays. Virtual baseball, football, soccer, golf, and tennis -- all those virtual games are played by little kids. And they play them on 480p resolution!

In my opinion, I would have to say that the Wii is the worst invention in the 21st century. Yes, you get exercise in front of the Wii, but its nothing compared to playing a soccer game with a group of your best friends. Thanks to the Wii, in a couple of years, 99.99% of the population will be obese, except me, because I won't be playing that damn Wii.

RE: I agree.
By saiga6360 on 4/1/2007 8:32:31 PM , Rating: 2
Worst invention? That would be your sense of reality.

So kids who would have not be getting any exercise at all because they are too lazy to lay off the gamepad, you don't think they are better off with a Wii? The success of the Wii is not because of just these addled, pizza munching idiots. It is because it appeals to a broader demographic, not just the 'hardcore' gamers. Nothing can compare to real life but that's not the point is it? You think Sony and Microsoft wouldn't want you to be as immersed on their consoles instead? That's just a tad hypocritical of them if you think that's the point they are trying to make, which they are not. So in conclusion, you are a moron.

This sounds like...
By Griswold on 3/28/2007 11:55:47 AM , Rating: 2
... something Sony would say (these days).

I have a Wii !!!!!!!!!
By DeadPooL on 3/28/2007 11:59:26 AM , Rating: 2
Since It came out, and I am 31 its fun, quick and easy, Its that simple and even my mother & mother in law play on it, my wife plays it and her sister. I could never get them to touch anything else period. Thats just how easy and fun the Wii is. Granted I am a fan of all games and systems thats the difference between gamers and casuals.

Not completly true
By MrFluffo on 3/28/2007 12:00:44 PM , Rating: 2
Sure Nintendo has always been accused of being kid orriented, but that doesnt mean that ONLY kids play it. Im 18 and me and my friends play the Wii and have a great time. I know it sounds cheesy but since that the Wii get you more involved, your not just sitting there moving 2 thumbsticks and pressing some buttons. Its definetly interesting, If i could get my parents even my GRANDPARENTS to enjoy playing Wii sports i think Nintendo is doing sumthing right.

Marketing Research?
By GTaudiophile on 3/28/2007 12:24:12 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds like M$ needs to fire their marketing research team.

I read an article recently about the Wii's popularity in retirement communities, and surely those folks, many of them war veterans, are not under the age of 14.

If anything, the Wii's success in such segments proves the retiring Baby-Boom market to be far more powerful and possibly more elusive than previously thought. I mean, who has the money to burn? A 14-year-old or a 65-year-old who is about to cash out all of his multi-million-dollar IRA accounts?

I mean, if I look at my own father, someone who use to play the original Nintendo with me, I know he preferred games like "California Games" and "Super Mario Bros" to shooter-games like "Contra". From what I can tell, the Wii represents the former two while the XB360 and PS3 are fighting over the latter.

On a second thought
By Griswold on 3/28/2007 12:36:53 PM , Rating: 2
This could be the typical denial phase, not long before they start working on their own "revolutionary kiddo console" to complement their "adult console".

And in 5 (give or take a little) years time, they will launch a console that caters to the wii- as well as the hardcore people.

In the end, both MS' and Sony's market research teams apparently missed the new trend with their current next-gen hardware.

Sorta True
By RandomFool on 3/28/2007 12:39:15 PM , Rating: 2
It's true to an extent, I've played more Warioware and Wii Sport with my girlfriend's 46yr old Dad than anyone else. Wii isn't a hardcore gamer system but it is damn fun.

I wouldn't even consider buying a 360 (or a PS3) until after a price drop(or two) even then I'm only interested in a couple titles (halo 3) and it's media capabilities. Everyone who has played with my wii has been 18+ and had a great time. (that sounds sooo dirty)

This gets tiring
By Sylar on 3/28/2007 1:02:14 PM , Rating: 2
Are we going to post a new article everytime a console exec makes a statement now? I don't know about everyone else but this is getting ridiculous. There's like one of these a day now.

By kilkennycat on 3/28/2007 1:09:14 PM , Rating: 2
.... the Xbox360 will be the Xbox720 with integrated HD-DVD or Bluray, 500GBytes of on-board hard-disk, HDMI, 45nm processors and <$400.

Nice to know that the Xbox360 owners can shell out $400 -$500 every couple of years for a refresh of their favorite console.

By grimdeath on 3/28/2007 1:20:43 PM , Rating: 2
im 23, and me and my wife(who's 21) love to play it. my sister in law(18) plays quite often as well. we recently took it over to a friends for a party with a about 10 people all 20+ in age and had a blast playing warioware and wii sports.

xbox is just spinning the fact its a console for all ages rather then just the hardcore players.

i have my PC which i help develop indie games, mods and play all my "hardcore" games on and my wii is a perfect compliment for social gaming as well as some really fun games!

By Mitch101 on 3/28/2007 1:47:51 PM , Rating: 2
Has the comments from any of the game companies ever changed your mind about which console your going to buy?

Like really anyone wanting to buy the Wii will stop and now buy an X-Box 360 because of a few comments like this.

Also what happens to the over 50 demogrpahic that the Wii has added that no one else has? At what age do they grow up to?

How about a counter?
By Master Kenobi on 3/28/2007 1:49:11 PM , Rating: 2
With all the flaming going on between Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo how about an "exec" counter. Where we can see a list of the best quotes from these guys. Sony would top the list of course but seriously...... Competition these days isn't what it once was, we resort to blatant attacks and defamation these days =(

Alrighty then...
By PWNettle on 3/28/2007 3:32:57 PM , Rating: 2
So the implication is that the games one plays on the 360 are for more mature players (who have grown up)? Give me a break.

Hopefully any (console) game is played to be fun - people just have fun differently. Some want the catchy and perhaps more simplistic games that you can play anytime and enjoy forever and some want the more content-oriented, often more complex or twitchy games.

Who cares?

What I don't quite understand, is that if the XBox is a beefier machine, then why can't they create content for all audiences? Why is there a breakdown of one type of game for one console and another type of game for another console? I could see a lesser console, if there is one, having limitations, but if you sell the "uber console" you'd think it could do both styles of games.

By wallijonn on 3/28/2007 4:11:12 PM , Rating: 2
"the Xbox 360 is for serious gamers"

I guess the whole Asian Rim are not serious gamers, then.

By SubKamran on 3/28/2007 5:10:06 PM , Rating: 2
14, huh? Why can't we just buy a console without feeling like everyone else hates that we bought it? If I buy a Wii, I'm a kid and I have no taste; if I buy a 360, I like gfx and hate innovation; if I buy a PS3, I'm an idiot.

Seriously, Microsoft and Sony are starting to annoy me. Nintendo hasn't threw crap at people; Sony keeps talking it up, MS is now starting...

Argh. All I know is Super Paper Mario is coming out and I'm all over it; along with C&C 3 and Shivering Isles.

Make good games and I'll go buy them, that's how I roll.

By encryptkeeper on 3/28/2007 5:27:32 PM , Rating: 2
said Rodman: “We think that as soon as the Wii customer turns 14 they want something else.”

What an ass. The same type of people that stood in line overnight to buy a Wii are the same type of people that stood in line to buy a 360. The same basic age group that likes the 360 likes the Wii also. But the Wii covers a much larger group for its audience, including practically all age groups. And even if this asshole from Microsoft was right, according to this article I found, It looks like when people turn retirement age, they start looking for the Wii again. Good job Nintendo, go after the baby boomers, especially since they are the largest growing age group in America.

hasn't this happened before?
By someguy123 on 3/28/2007 5:31:52 PM , Rating: 2
with the nintendo DS? everyone said the DS would fade away and was an "impulse buy" because of "poor" graphics (compared to the psp) and a so called gimmicky dual screen idea, and yet it's sold double the amount the psp has and is still one of the best selling consoles.

sony and microsoft need humble themselves and realize that tossing money at something does not automaticly equal a better product nor more "mature" product. games are ment to be fun. gore and complicated plotlines are only suppose to add to the fact, not be the sole basis of games.

Wii customer turns 14?
By Anonymous Freak on 3/28/2007 5:46:22 PM , Rating: 2
Arrogant asses.

I'm 31, and I bought a Wii over a 360 because *I* wanted the Wii, not because the kid did. If I want 'hardcore' gaming, I'll turn on my PC. FPSs suck on consoles. RTSs suck on consoles. MMORPGs suck on... wait, are there any MMORPGs for consoles?

I play on a console when I want 'quick fun'. I play on a PC when I want 'hardcore' gaming. My PC can already produce better graphics than a 360 or a PS3, and I don't even have an ultra-high-end PC.

"serious gamers"
By zeroslugfm on 3/28/2007 9:28:07 PM , Rating: 2
...I'm still working on beating The Karate Kid on the NES~

360 problems.
By raphd on 3/28/2007 10:40:01 PM , Rating: 2
LOL. This comment is awesome, I for one do not want another x360. I got one for xmas, got 3 red lights first month. I was told by MS rep to send it to them for $140 and they would look at it. Instead, I took receipt and got a refund. With the $140 to get it fixed, it would of pretty much been the cost of a PS3 (which I might purchase now inspite of MS). News topic should say "As soon as Wii customers are tired of bashing into things, get a 360 so you can bash you head against the table."

Also, search for 3 red lights of doom. Its like the BSOD that doesnt go away with an easy format. And count how many posters are out there with this problem. 360? never again.

wii + casual gaming = $$$
By jconan on 3/28/2007 10:49:38 PM , Rating: 2
I think Nintendo also has a different focus on video games. Casual gaming and that's the trend where most of the game development is going towards. Majority of potential customers are adults who are casual gamers. Most of them have other things in life to focus on and don't have a lot of time to learn the in depth feature of a game compared to adolescents. There are a lot people out there that fit into this category. This is where the money is. Just look at the classifieds there are more game developments being focused in this area and development does not cost as much. Whereas Sony and Microsoft are focusing millions of dollars in the hard core gaming area.

Serious gamer?
By danskmacabre on 3/29/2007 3:19:02 AM , Rating: 2
Xbox 360 is for serious gamers

What the hell is a serious gamer?

By dnosferatu on 3/29/2007 3:54:23 AM , Rating: 2
"Microsoft: Wii Gamers Will Look to Bigger And Better Things When They Grow Up"

no, we gamers never grow up, no gamers gonna grow up.
we stay young, thanks to any game we played in our lifetime.
...and if there's afterlife, we going to play wii sport there.

now tell me what gamer you talkin' about or what part of gamer that suppose to grow up

Wii for kiddies
By MoJoker on 3/29/2007 5:05:05 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with the comments that the Wii is fun. But thats one thing Nintendo's good at. I remember when I was at Uni and we'd have 10-15 people over and end up playing Goldeneye and Mario Karts all night on the N64!!!

Also I remember reading somewhere that the best selling console last Christmas was actually the PS2.(Go Sony!)

14? More like 34.
By Icehawk on 3/29/2007 10:32:55 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know any kids with Wiis but I know a bunch of adults...

Toys R Us kids
By Aeonic on 3/29/2007 10:58:24 AM , Rating: 2
"Wii Gamers Will Look to Bigger And Better Things When They Grow Up"

Maybe so, but I'm 31 and have yet to "grow up" from a gaming standpoint, nor do I plan on doing it any time soon. I imagine that would mean getting the latest copy of SimAccountant and doing some Real Fun quests for exemptions.

Microsoft can sit and spin a 360 (with Sony) with their condescending attitude.

By janusinfinity on 3/29/2007 9:14:14 PM , Rating: 2
wtf...first it was the "hey for the price of a PS3 you can get a 360 and Wii". Then it was the "The 360 will upscale to 1080p and doesn't need HDMI". Then it was the "We prefer to let the consumer make the choice about their HD player...(we won't mention we don't make a Blu Ray drive for the 360)...some choice", Soon after...Disc space wont matter since games will be on broadband...(but we'll increase the size of the drive for one unit since people are downloading a bunch of sh*t)...oh i forgot..."and our HDDVD player wont play games..." wtf else can you say now...Since we're in the middle we are made for middle class consumers? Go take a class from apple about marketing. dont mind the non caps...these guys waffle more than clinton at an ihop. yeah and i liked the guy too! best dang pres of my lifetime...well hold on carter might be that. lemme think on that...oh and no im not a dem, not a green, not a repub, or indepen... im american brah!

Wii owns all
By Nik00117 on 3/28/2007 2:04:02 PM , Rating: 1
Sony is upset, sony is uspet that their high tech uber powerful PS3 didn't do as well as they'd hope.

1st price
2nd your delays in launch
3rd your games

I was taling to a guy today, and he is really into consoles. He has had a PS, Xbox, Xbox 360, PS3, and a WII.

He says BY FAR the Wii has been the most fun. And one of the cheapest as well.

Nintedo hit it on the button, they got a console that isn't necessairly marked to the gamers, btu the casuals the poeple who would love to have the Wii has a toy used at parties and so forth. They hit it right on the hammer, MS they caught the exterme gamers early on and took the market.

Sony, um they spent their time developing the PS3, then slapped a $$$ price tag.

Quite funny most poeple that I know that own a PS3, they are really crazy money fanaics and bought it as a cheap blu-ray player.

Didn't even buy a game with it.

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