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Device is not a Zune phone say the sources

Gaming is a huge business with many different game consoles and computer games selling as well as movies and other mainstream consumer technology products. Sony has offered its PSP for several years now and Nintendo has been very successful with its DS portable.

Microsoft has had its Xbox game console on the market for a long time, but has never ventured into the portable game console realm. According to sources cited by TeamXbox at Microsoft, a new Microsoft "digital entertainment handheld" is coming, though there are no specifics on a date.

The product is called the xYz internally at Microsoft according to multiple sources that spoke to TeamXbox on condition of anonymity. The xYz internal codename is an attempt to show that the device sits between the Zune and the Xbox platforms.

The device will reportedly offer mobile gaming and multimedia playback along with internet access in a portable form factor. TeamXbox asked about the name of the device and was told by one source, "As far as I know, the name of the device has not been decided yet."

Another source cited by the publication claims that the mobile device has been in development as far back as December of 2008. One source describes the device as, "a mashup of the Sony Mylo, the PSP, and the iPhone… errr, the iPod Touch; [the MS handheld] doesn’t need access to a phone network."

That last statement is very telling. This is apparently not the long rumored Zune phone and in fact; sources cited by TeamXbox claim that Microsoft is very clear that it will not compete against its own partners who sell Windows Mobile devices.

One source said, "Although the Microsoft handheld is definitely a converged device, this is not a Zune Phone. Microsoft won’t compete with its Windows Mobile customers."

The device is rumored to have a WVGA touchscreen and hardware features not found on any other handheld on the market. While the Microsoft sources weren't specific about the hardware, TeamXbox takes a few guesses.

One possibility that would qualify as hardware not found on other devices in the market is the NVIDIA Tegra SOC. Tegra hasn’t made it into the market in a big way since it was introduced back in 2008. Tegra could power all of the functions the Microsoft sources claim the handheld device offers and would qualify as hardware not found on devices on the market.

The bit about providing internet access, but not needing a mobile phone network says something about how Microsoft plans to offer web access on the device. 3G and LTW are seemingly ruled out if that statement is accurate since they are mobile phone networks. That leaves WiMAX as a possibility, but that makes little sense given the exceptionally limited availability of WiMAX in America. It would be very odd if Microsoft launched a device that focused on Internet access when the vast majority of consumers have no access to WiMAX networks.

One interesting aspect of the device is that it will supposedly allow users to buy a movie or game on the mobile device or on the Xbox and watch it on either device, as they want. The handheld is also said to use the New Xbox Experience graphical interface.



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It better be good...
By nayy on 5/15/09, Rating: 0
RE: It better be good...
By SavagePotato on 5/15/2009 2:24:48 PM , Rating: 5
Aren't you going to be disapointed when you find out it's a bill gates edition fleshlight.


RE: It better be good...
By nayy on 5/15/09, Rating: -1
RE: It better be good...
By Samus on 5/15/2009 10:49:32 PM , Rating: 1
omfg


RE: It better be good...
By Gul Westfale on 5/15/2009 10:48:20 PM , Rating: 3
they don't make them that small.


RE: It better be good...
By albundy2 on 5/16/09, Rating: 0
RE: It better be good...
By Smilin on 5/15/2009 2:28:25 PM , Rating: 3
Expectation that they are creating?

They haven't even officially announced a product.

You are creating your own expectations.


RE: It better be good...
By nayy on 5/15/2009 6:03:28 PM , Rating: 2
May be you are right, anyway here is more info if anyone cares

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/19639/Microsoft-Work... (Source of this article, LONG)

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4120 ("Leaked" Spec, Too good to be true)


RE: It better be good...
By nikon133 on 5/15/2009 9:24:08 PM , Rating: 2
If they could compress original XBOX hardware into handheld device, with decent battery life (and some extra goodies), it could be nice gadget.

Since PSP is based on PS2 hardware and PSP2 will likely more improve on extras than on core components, such XBOX Portable would be very capable platform in portable world.


RE: It better be good...
By StevoLincolnite on 5/16/2009 1:50:24 AM , Rating: 1
The PSP isn't based on PS2 hardware, for one it has 2 CPU's running at 333mhz, not one, the GPU is also dramatically different as well.

If they do create the Xbox Portable, It would be more feasible to have Xbox 1 styled graphics, hopefully enough power and storage to download Xbox 1 games and emulate them on the handheld.

Personally I wont buy another hand held gaming device, I have grown out of them over the years, I originally had the original Gameboy, then the Gameboy Pocket, then the Gameboy Colour, then I jumped to the DS which I later sold from lack of use, If I do buy one it's sole purpose wont be for gaming, it will be for Music and Video playback, but I'm yet to find a handheld that entices me in that regard.

What I would *really* love however is if Microsoft Merged Xbox Live! There Zune Music Store and there new "Handheld" devices store into one single place, I would be willing to pay and download music to the xbox 360 to play during some games, or just store them till I plug in an MP3 player to transfer it all.


RE: It better be good...
By MrPoletski on 5/17/2009 6:13:17 AM , Rating: 3
I am not confident Nvidias Tegra will be any faster, or even half as fast as the GPU in the Pandora console, shipping early next month:

http://openpandora.org

Imagine a handheld with enough power to run quake 3 in 800x480 at 60 FPS and even doom3 (if the source code were available)


Definetly interested...
By Wolfpup on 5/15/09, Rating: 0
RE: Definetly interested...
By acer905 on 5/15/2009 12:43:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The DS has proved touch screens and gaming don't mix


I'm sorry, but sheer sales numbers, and my personal opinion disagree, unless a game tries to use it as the primary input. As a secondary input it allows games to have many more options. Like having an easy access item in New Super Mario Bros.

Using it to look around and jump in Metroid Prime Fusion is also kinda fun. It eliminates the need to ever have an analog stick.


RE: Definetly interested...
By Jackattak on 5/15/2009 12:47:01 PM , Rating: 3
I was about to post a similar response but you beat me to it. That quote is utterly false. The DS has been nothing but a huge success, and the touch screen capabilities are a lot of fun.


RE: Definetly interested...
By Wolfpup on 5/15/2009 12:47:36 PM , Rating: 1
Being a huge success has nothing to do with whether the DS' touch screen makes any sense.

And both of those examples... New Super Mario Bros. doesn't use the touch screen for anything meaningful, and if it did, it wouldn't be as good of a game. Metroid Prime Hunters has pretty terrible controls compared to what you get with analog sticks, let alone a mouse and keyboard.


RE: Definetly interested...
By acer905 on 5/15/2009 1:04:16 PM , Rating: 2
My bad for getting the Metroid name wrong... i have em both and i mix up the titles a lot.. But, i fail to see howthe controls are terrible. Using your left hand you move around and shoot, and with your right hadn you look around, jump, act like a ball... It just means you don't hold the DS like other games.

Another example, Bomberman DS's revenge mode.


RE: Definetly interested...
By jimbojimbo on 5/15/09, Rating: 0
RE: Definetly interested...
By Wolfpup on 5/15/09, Rating: 0
RE: Definetly interested...
By Jackattak on 5/15/2009 1:39:32 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You're not going to want to use them for something that needs fast, precise control like typing or playing a game.


I'm not? Oh maybe you meant you are not going to want them for those purposes.

Don't generalizations sound silly?

I personally love touch screens and find the ones employed by the iPhone and the DS quite usable in all applications.


RE: Definetly interested...
By afkrotch on 5/15/2009 2:52:36 PM , Rating: 2
Ya, try playing Terminator on the iPhone and tell me that touch works well for games that are more intricate than short mini-games.


RE: Definetly interested...
By xti on 5/15/2009 3:29:14 PM , Rating: 2
simcity works fine with touch screen. if the touch screen made my bosses not look in my cube as they walked by, then it would be perfect.


RE: Definetly interested...
By Akrovah on 5/15/2009 4:29:56 PM , Rating: 2
I have never used a touch screen to play a game (aside from playing a demo of Metroid Prime Hunters in Walmart, which btw controlled like an elephant missing a couple of legs compared to even the less than stellar analog stick of the gamecube controler) but I can see it being very usefull for intricate games based on a point and click interface, such as strategy, or the previously mentioned Simcity and its bretheren. The interface really wouldn;t even need much of an overhaul, as things are generally represented by button like images anyway. You just tap it instead of moving a coursor over to it. This would actually allow a console system to break into genres of gaming that have thus far been unable to be truly viable without the mouse interface typically limited to the home computer market.


By inperfectdarkness on 5/16/2009 7:38:49 AM , Rating: 1
i think we've pretty much seen all we need to with regards to MS's attempts at console markets.

MS should stick to software. The ONLY reason ps3 hasn't kept pace with the 360 is because sony priced themselves out of the market. if both systems had entered the system on the same price point--xbox would be in solid 3rd place for console sales. additionally...xbox will NEVER command the numbers that a playstation will in japan.

continuing...given MS's penchant for product testing...any handheld they have will probably be hard-broke inside of 6-months. and that's a prediction on the good side. a prediction on the bad side would be that these things are going to explode in people's pockets & result in fatalities--ala chinese cell phones.

finally...i'll add that nintendo has NEVER had real competition in the handheld arena. nintendo OWNS this market--both figuratively & realistically. i can rattle off a ton of competition that died quietly while nintendo was mopping the floor with them. gamegear, lynx, turbo-express, ngage, etc. nintendo succeeds because (at least up until recently) they've never attempted to duplicate the functionality of a cell-phone/iphone. nintendo sets out to make a gaming console (first and foremost) and that's what they did.

microsoft...if you're paying attention...listen up. you can bring nothing innovative to handhelds. your participation in the market will chew away at sony's numbers; and will do nothing to stop nintendo's dominance. your attempt to bully your way in will inevitably result in the same practices you used to make the xbox1 successful--burning money like it's going out of style. you'll have to create a hype-machine even worse than the crap you generated for halo 3. everyone and their brother is going to be sick of hearing from you how "awesome you are".

meanwhile...all successes you do have in handhelds are going to come at the cost of PC sales. in similar fashion to how you butchered loyal PC gaming fans for the sake of your beloved xbox; notebook & netbook fans are going to get roasted on a spit for your megalomaniacial dreams for world-domination. eventually...once you piss off enough people...everyone is going to jump ship.

seriously...apple could transform themselves overnight from an "elitist, overpriced POS-maker" into cost-conscious, compatible & more end-user friendly competition. or perhaps the same happens with lindows, etc. you leave the door open to more and better upstarts with your hell-bent determination to focus on new markets at the expense of your core-users.

i will not shed a tear for you, MS. you're a fucking spoiled bitch who thinks she's entitled to become a world monopoly.


Battery life?
By nafhan on 5/15/2009 12:48:51 PM , Rating: 1
I hope they think about battery life with this device. Poor battery life (compared to other devices) is the only problem I have with my Zune.
Also, battery life is arguably one of the reasons that Nintendo handhelds have done so well over the years.




RE: Battery life?
By Smilin on 5/15/2009 2:57:44 PM , Rating: 4
Really?

Which zune? I get pretty decent battery out of my old 30 but I get exceptional battery out of my 8's. Exceptional.


RE: Battery life?
By Jackattak on 5/15/2009 3:23:16 PM , Rating: 2
I have the 30 and the Gen2 120.

While both get exemplary battery life, I have found that one game in particular seems to suck them dry like a vampire in a blood bank.

Texas Hold 'Em Poker. For some reason it seems to eat the batteries on both devices.


RE: Battery life?
By nafhan on 5/18/2009 11:29:53 AM , Rating: 2
On my Zune 30, anything that uses the screen (movies, games) sucks the battery dry pretty quick. I'm just barely able to make it through a 90 minute movie off a full charge. For music, I can usually do 3 days of commuting. Probably, 3 to 4 hour range for music.
Battery life probably is a lot better for the flash based Zune's.
I got my Zune for $100 off of Woot, and I've been very happy with it overall.


RE: Battery life?
By afkrotch on 5/15/2009 3:06:09 PM , Rating: 1
Battery life is definitely important in a gaming device, but I think anywhere from 3-6 hours will be fine. Hell, even Sony gave up some battery life for performance, with a firmware update to put the PSP's clock speed higher.


WiFi?
By TomZ on 5/15/2009 1:10:04 PM , Rating: 3
It would be very odd if Microsoft launched a device that focused on Internet access when the vast majority of consumers have no access to WiMAX networks.

Maybe the device just has WiFi? Since many homes, offices, and businesses have WiFi Internet access now, that would be a reasonable approach to providing connectivity?

I doubt WiMAX would be relied on as the primary Internet connection. Launching such a device given the lack of infrastructure would be foolish.

And any other wireless technology would be Microsoft competing with its customers.




RE: WiFi?
By MadMan007 on 5/15/2009 4:41:11 PM , Rating: 2
Along with an app to hack in to unsecured networks that would work great!


RE: WiFi?
By Etsp on 5/16/2009 12:56:09 AM , Rating: 2
You don't hack into unsecured networks as much as you kind of, trip and fall into them accidentally... It's very sad to see how many completely open wireless networks there are...


RE: WiFi?
By nixoofta on 5/15/2009 4:54:28 PM , Rating: 3
...and please! Smaller than a PS2. You smuggle one o' those into prison and your pooper's just never quite the same.

:P


more DRM!
By Screwballl on 5/16/2009 10:37:25 AM , Rating: 2
Welcome to the next-gen DRM based device. We all know MS loves DRM so it will be limited to some closed off limitation of media available on this unit.
Of course someone will find some hack that unlocks everything so you can use whatever you want from any media source.




RE: more DRM!
By FITCamaro on 5/18/2009 9:20:20 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah because Microsoft has tons to gain with DRM. Microsoft enforces it because if they didn't, they'd be open to lawsuits from content providers.

And seriously, how much DRM is in even Vista? Do you have an issue playing pirated videos or music? No. Divx, xvid, etc all work fine. No it doesn't come out of the box with the ability to copy Blu-rays but what does?


By TerranMagistrate on 5/15/2009 1:48:23 PM , Rating: 3
Sony was the first company to offer a challenge to Nintendo's portable gaming dominance and not get absolutely crushed. In fact, the PSP has sold over 50 million units, which is less than half of the DS's overall sales but still very impressive.

For MS to even stand a chance at grabbing a piece of the growing mobile gaming market, they have to be very bold. They have to offer something like:

http://media.teamxbox.com/dailyposts/hardware/nvid...

The APX2500 but with some appropriate buttons for legitimate gaming, not just solely touchscreen. The HDMI output may be a bit much but a powerful GPU and sleek design are a must for MS's entry.

Basically, it has to be far above the hardware currently available and be at a reasonable price otherwise MS will have its very own N-Gage.




XBox y Zune? Por favor
By aftlizard on 5/15/2009 12:27:33 PM , Rating: 2
But I hope that if they go to XBox Marketplace for their main source for games that they increase the amount and quality of those games, and for god sakes get some real RPG's.




By BigToque on 5/15/2009 3:03:03 PM , Rating: 2
Sort of like a touch screen netbook, but looking like a Kindle...




By sapiens74 on 5/15/2009 6:21:26 PM , Rating: 2
Can we finally get a Mobile OS that doesn't look like windows 95/98?




It will be
By descendency on 5/16/2009 6:53:53 AM , Rating: 2
Zune + Phone + Wannabe PSP ...

I have a feeling MS is aiming to high and could end up crashing hard...




pass..
By RoberTx on 5/16/2009 9:23:45 PM , Rating: 2
pass...I have better things to spend my money on.




Zune Touch, perhaps?
By Spivonious on 5/15/09, Rating: -1
"If you look at the last five years, if you look at what major innovations have occurred in computing technology, every single one of them came from AMD. Not a single innovation came from Intel." -- AMD CEO Hector Ruiz in 2007














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