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"I grow tired of asking"...

Over two weeks ago, Microsoft issued Yahoo's board an ultimatum -- join or risk losing their jobs.  Many assumed Microsoft was just blowing hot air and playing at empty theatrics, but as the deadline arrives this weekend, Microsoft reaffirmed that if a compromise is not met over the weekend, it will take drastic measures.

Among the possibilities, Microsoft said it might go fully hostile, and attempt to oust the board, appealing to shareholders.  This follows remarks made by Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer on Thursday.  The other option says Microsoft, is to lower the offer or even withdraw it altogether which is a steep departure from previous comments that indicated that Microsoft would keep trying to acquire the company to the bitter end, no matter what the cost.

Commenting on the state of the offer was Chief Financial Officer Chris Liddell, who offered insight to Microsoft's plans on a conference call Thursday.  Said Liddell, "Speed is of the essence for the deal to make sense.  Unfortunately, the transaction has been anything but speedy and has been characterized by what would appear to be unrealistic expectations of value."

Liddell alludes to Yahoo's multiple suggestions that its company is worth far more than its battered stock price suggests.  Yahoo's leadership has tried to frustrate the merger process, citing that, in their opinion, it was not advantageous to the company in its current state.  Liddell says Yahoo is suffering from delusions of grandeur.  Liddell continued, "We have yet to see tangible evidence that our bid substantially undervalues the company.  In fact, we see the opposite."

Next week, if a deal is not reached, Microsoft will unveil its new battle plan according to Liddell.  He stated, "As outlined in our recent letter to the Yahoo board, unless we made progress with Yahoo towards an agreement by this weekend, we will reconsider our alternatives.  These alternatives clearly include taking an offer to Yahoo shareholders or to withdraw our proposal and focus on other opportunities."

Such "other opportunities" could involve internal growth or other acquisitions, according to Liddell.  Microsoft has had relatively little success in growing market share in the search engine and online advertising industry, so such efforts would likely be perceived with a bit of skepticism in the business community.

Yahoo did post strong first-quarter results, beating expectations, but Ballmer and Liddell both voiced that overall the picture for Yahoo is no better, and may actually be getting worse.  William Blair analyst Troy Mastin thinks that the pair is headed for a proxy battle.  Said Blair, "A proxy battle seems increasingly likely; it sounds (like) Yahoo's got a price in mind somewhere north of $35 and Microsoft has a price in mind somewhere south of $35."

Blair warned that walking away could be a bad mistake for Yahoo, as it has done little to reverse its long term slide.  "In a sense Yahoo, by playing hardball, is really playing with fire because they have limited alternatives," opinioned Blair.

Thursday was filled with rough news for Microsoft, when it reported weak Windows sales for its fiscal third quarter ending in March.  This comes as the company struggles with how to phase out XP, its only acceptable current solution for low-end PCs.  Liddell intended to focus his conference call mostly on these results, but turned heavily to the Yahoo topic, when he noted how many callers were checking in.  He stated that there was likely twice as many callers as normal do to curiosity about the state of the Yahoo deal.

Microsoft's stock still remains about a dollar below its level during the original value, devaluing its original offer slightly, but not as much as during some points in the last month.  Yahoo's stock has been taking a beating on the market over speculation that Microsoft may drop its offer.



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Translation:
By i3arracuda on 4/25/2008 10:50:10 AM , Rating: 4
You can either profit by this, or be destroyed. It's your choice, but I warn you not to underestimate my power.




RE: Translation:
By Polynikes on 4/25/08, Rating: 0
RE: Translation:
By Spivonious on 4/25/2008 11:21:13 AM , Rating: 5
I am Hugh.


RE: Translation:
By therealnickdanger on 4/25/2008 11:12:03 AM , Rating: 4
Your mind powers will not work on me, boy!


RE: Translation:
By eye smite on 4/25/2008 11:20:01 PM , Rating: 3
You underestimate the power...of the darkside. If you will not be turned, you will be destoyed.


RE: Translation:
By nosfe on 4/25/2008 12:19:48 PM , Rating: 4
my kung fu is better than yours


RE: Translation:
By Omega215D on 4/26/2008 10:58:03 PM , Rating: 5
Yang: I know kung fu.

Ballmer (holding his chin): show me.


Doesn't matter to MS
By Aberforth on 4/25/08, Rating: 0
RE: Doesn't matter to MS
By Hexus on 4/25/2008 11:47:38 AM , Rating: 2
I think Google is about as non-deceptive as it gets. They don't hide sponsored links in your search results. They make it quite obvious what is what, and what search result they were payed for.


RE: Doesn't matter to MS
By Aberforth on 4/25/2008 11:52:42 AM , Rating: 2
I meant "Quality of information" displayed in search, ad and other managed services.


RE: Doesn't matter to MS
By Hexus on 4/25/2008 12:17:38 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, in that case, you're more correct.


RE: Doesn't matter to MS
By kmmatney on 4/26/2008 2:02:07 AM , Rating: 2
I have to admit I've been using Microsoft's search engine more and more lately. In many cases, it has worked better for me than Google - it's improved a lot in the last year.


Jerry Yang's valuation of Yahoo is nice
By spluurfg on 4/25/2008 11:59:01 AM , Rating: 5
...but it's totally unrealistic.

quote:
Liddell alludes to Yahoo's multiple suggestions that its company is worth far more than its battered stock price suggests.


Yahoo's share price is 57 times earnings per share. Google is at 32 times. Boeing's is 14.

Google's earnings growth rate is 30%. Yahoo's is 9%. Boeing's is 10%.

So basically, Yahoo's valuation is four times higher than a company that is significantly larger and has similar earnings growth. Its valuation is also twice as high than a company with triple its earnings growth. See where I'm giong here? Yahoo's earnings beat expectations, yet the share didn't move -- the share price is completely a function of the expectation of an MS takeover. If the prospect of a buyout by MS vanished, the share price would surely plummet.

Microsoft is already offering an insane premium -- any shareholder that doesn't expect 60% earning's growth should sensibly accept it.




By TomZ on 4/25/2008 12:14:38 PM , Rating: 2
I agree totally - but I would also add that in the case of Yahoo, their Board and Management have also proved they don't really have any creative ideas about how to grow moving forward, when compared to their peers like Google.

If Microsoft walks away, Yahoo loses 25% of its market cap. right away and a 50% of its market cap. in one year, I would predict.


It will be interesting...
By BigToque on 4/25/2008 11:54:13 AM , Rating: 2
If MS attempts a hostile takeover, don't they still need to convince 51% of the shareholders to agree to sell their shares? (well 50% + 1 share)

If the takeover bid decreases signigicantly from the current offer, what incentive do the individual shareholders really have to sell?




RE: It will be interesting...
By lightfoot on 4/25/2008 12:08:42 PM , Rating: 2
They don't need to buy half the shares, they just need to convince half the shareholders to agree to the merger. If they buy about 30% of the shares at market value (about 60% of the offered buyout value per share) then convince a third of the remaining share holders to take the offer. It really shouldn't be too hard.

Microsoft's real problem would be a poison pill strategy which would further hurt the value of all Yahoo stock.


RE: It will be interesting...
By Omega215D on 4/26/2008 10:58:49 PM , Rating: 2
Because the suit case may contain a high amount.

Deal or No Deal?


give it up
By omnicronx on 4/25/2008 1:00:03 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Liddell alludes to Yahoo's multiple suggestions that its company is worth far more than its battered stock price suggests
Sorry Yahoo, even if you stock is worth more, MS offered close to a 40% premium, you are kidding yourself if you think your stock is undervalued by more than 40%. If anything its the exact opposite, as this has been the trend for every other search engine company, I really don't see why yahoo thinks they are in a different boat.




RE: give it up
By Haltech on 4/25/2008 6:30:59 PM , Rating: 2
What the Yahoo CEO thinks is that Microsoft's price they want to buy the company at is lower then what their peak was back in Mid 07. The problem is that Yahoo will never reach their peak due to Google and the economy therefore must merge to have a chance.


Poor rebels...
By Polynikes on 4/25/2008 10:50:55 AM , Rating: 2
Where's Luke Skywalker when you need him?




RE: Poor rebels...
By just4U on 4/25/2008 8:49:52 PM , Rating: 2
He's busy at google fighting the <cough> good fight.. as it were.

Seriously tho, there is no bad guy in this just some stubborn misguided executives I think.


By psychobriggsy on 4/25/2008 11:12:13 AM , Rating: 2
Two weeks more and the Yahoo! bosses will be able to answer their phones safely without risking Ballmer being on the other end. Joy!

On the other hand, it's not like Yahoo! have long term relevance in the consumer market at least. Grab the money and run seemed like a grand plan to me.




LOL @ pic
By Baked on 4/27/2008 1:08:00 AM , Rating: 2
My IT people is better than your IT people!




By Belard on 4/27/2008 8:57:25 PM , Rating: 2
Just like Hotmail... I left them when Microsoft bought them out.... if MS buys out Yahoo... then Yahoo is nothing more than MSN.com with a Yahoo logo.

So... I hope IF MS does this hostile take over, than people stop going to the yahoo.com site. When quality of a site suffers, people stop going to it. Recently, after tomshardware latest "new and improved" looks and functions, I had to remove it from my Opera Speed Dial... the site is non-functional for the purposes it was orginally made.

No to MS takeover of YAHOO!




Beware the Ides of May
By wordsworm on 4/25/08, Rating: -1
RE: Beware the Ides of May
By kenji4life on 4/25/2008 11:27:56 AM , Rating: 2
Pass it to the right...


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By enlil242 on 4/25/2008 11:32:58 AM , Rating: 3
OK ...

MS: "PLEASE, let us take you over..."
YAHOO: "no"
MS: "Pwetty Pweeze?"
YAHOO: "no"
MS: "Pwetty, pwetty, pweeze ... with sugar on top?"
YAHOO: "...oh, ok ... <kiss>"


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By wordsworm on 4/25/2008 11:43:35 AM , Rating: 2
I think it would be more like this:

MS: Her lips say 'no no' but her lips say 'yes yes'.

Or, Rhett Butler, in his last words to Scarlett O'Hara..

MS: Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

One thing that's made me think is the prospect that Yahoo.com, as the world's most popular webpage, could very well be a great portal for MS for its own advertising. Anyways, may the spirit of competition be preserved, and MS fail in its attempt.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By wordsworm on 4/25/2008 11:54:38 AM , Rating: 2
gah... let me 'edit'

Her lips say 'no no' but her eyes say 'aye aye.'


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By lightfoot on 4/25/2008 11:50:32 AM , Rating: 4
There is a big difference between begging for a deal and being robbed blind - Microsoft doesn't want to be robbed.

Yahoo's a sinking ship, it would probably be cheaper to buy a torpedo and pick up the pieces later. Microsoft's bid is a hope of buying the company whole and hoping that they have the resources left over to keep it afloat.

Yahoo should be begging that Microsoft's offer doesn't go away. If it did their market cap would drop by nearly HALF. The value of Yahoo is not in Yahoo - it is in how Microsoft can leverage it.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By wordsworm on 4/25/2008 12:21:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yahoo's a sinking ship
A sinking ship implies that Yahoo isn't successful at what it does. It is still posting profits that are good enough to surprise analysts. Yahoo is a great presence on the Internet. It is the best alternative to MS.

If MS on the Internet wasn't connected at all to MS the OS/Office maker, then it would be Yahoo which would be in a position as the superior, more successful player, to be buying out MS, not this scenario that's playing out.

The value in Yahoo is that it's got the world's most visited webpage. Its weakness is that it's not got the most profitable ad revenue generator when compared to Google.

A sinking ship would be a company that's losing money. Yahoo might be sailing rougher seas, but there's no sign that it can't weather it sans MS.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By lightfoot on 4/25/2008 12:28:30 PM , Rating: 4
Laying off 1000 of 14000 employees to post a quarterly profit hardly sounds like a healthy company...

You are also assuming that Yahoo is a company that is operating in a vacuum. Unfortunately both Google and MS are innovating at a far faster pace than Yahoo.

Yahoo has a business today - but AOL had a business 5 years ago too. The very fact that they proposed a Yahoo!/AOL merger as a "viable" alternative to the MS merger is proof of how bad Yahoo is doing.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By Solandri on 4/25/2008 1:48:04 PM , Rating: 3
Go to finance.yahoo.com and type in YHOO.

Extend the chart to 1y and 2y. Yahoo stock is only down about 30%-35% during that time if you look at their low just prior to the first Microsoft bid..

Extend the chart to 5y. Using the same low, Yahoo stock is up about 50% over 5 years.

Now add a comparison to MSFT. Even including their recent troubles, Yahoo has significantly outperformed Microsoft over 5 years.

By market valuations, Yahoo is a company that's having difficulty over the last 12 months, and static from 12-24 months ago, but long-term has performed well, better than Microsoft in fact. If you believe they're dying, you're going to have to point to something a lot more substantive than 7% layoffs, and the spectre of Google and AOL.

Unlike AOL which is based on a subscription model, Yahoo is based on a free service model. They already have the mindshare, they just need to rework how they leverage it into profit. Could they fail? Sure. But reworking advertising models is a heckuva lot easier than retooling a subscription business based on a fading technology (dialup).


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By lightfoot on 4/25/2008 2:22:48 PM , Rating: 1
Just because the tide is rising doesn't mean the ship isn't sinking. The stat that should be significant is that Yahoo's share of advertising dollars is steadily declining - it is still double what MS is, but MS isn't losing market share. Google is the only one with significant increases in market share. Besides comparing MS (which is hugely diversified company with a multitude of revenue sources) to Yahoo (a relative one-trick pony - portal/search) is an incorrect comparison.

Ford Motor Company also posted a profit this quarter, but that doesn't make them a healthy company. Contracting when the market is expanding is not how you achieve growth. You may stay in business, you may stay a viable company, but in no way does it justify a P/E over 30, much less over 50.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By wordsworm on 4/26/2008 12:19:06 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Besides comparing MS (which is hugely diversified company with a multitude of revenue sources) to Yahoo (a relative one-trick pony - portal/search) is an incorrect comparison.


Yahoo isn't simply a one-trick pony. That's where you have made your miscalculation. Yahoo offers one of the best casual chess venues that I know of on the Internet. I've tried a few others but they simply don't compare. Their Internet radio has had the bugs fixed and it's now an excellent source of music for me. It could be improved - what service doesn't have room for improvement? Yahoo Messenger is excellent. There are a lot of minor yet fun games which you can buy through Yahoo. Yahoo email is every bit as good as any of the others. Its search engine isn't bad either. What is MS online? It is far less impressive. Recently there was an article about how MS is going to dump its music: http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/microsoft-turns...
This is how much MS cares about it's customers. It's a 'we don't give a damn about anyone' attitude. Yahoo's music service had some problems. What did they do? They fixed them, and now its music service is really great and the only good one accessible outside of the US.

So many folks keep putting Yahoo down. It's a great company whose value to users would be destroyed by MS. It would go from a company that seems to care about improving user experience on the Internet to MS, which clearly cares only about gaining the upper-hand over Google so that it can dominate the Internet like it has the OS/Office market.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By adanan on 4/28/2008 12:33:29 PM , Rating: 2
It's laying of workers and cutting costs elsewhere. If Yahoo hadn't done that, you'd see how much money they were actually losing.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By HighWing on 4/25/2008 11:41:38 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
it will hasten what I feel is the impending slide which will dethrone MS as an international monopolistic superpower.


While I agree with you that MS does seem to be sliding down as well. For MS to actually be dethroned, there would need to be something else to take it's place. And realistically speaking there is nothing out that can at the moment. I know some people will argue that Apple will dethrone MS, but realistically to do this Apple would need to get into the Business sector. And they have a LOT of hurdles to overcome to even attempt that. *nix is slowly climbing as well, but they have the opposite problem of Apple. *nix has a good business penetration, but poor home use. Fact is *nix is only recently becoming friendly for the home desktop, but they still have a long way to go to really compete with MS.

This is the only reason why MS has not been dethroned already. Apple or *nix needs to fix the above, or something better needs to come along before MS will ever be dethroned.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By wordsworm on 4/25/2008 11:52:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
While I agree with you that MS does seem to be sliding down as well. For MS to actually be dethroned, there would need to be something else to take it's place.


Recently I took a look at Apple's webpage and found a Mac listed at $599. I won't be buying it anytime soon. However, I found it to be a very friendly price. It was very small as well, which for someone who travels a lot but who likes desktops over laptops - like me - it would be tempting if I didn't hate Apple more than MS (as bad as MS is, Apple seems to be a few degrees worse).

You're right that Apple has a lot to overcome. Changing an OS isn't as easy, or as comfortable, as changing something as simple as, say, a web surfing utility from Explorer to, say, Firefox. Nonetheless, I just get the impression that MS is killing itself. With no real alternative to Vista aside from what seems to be an imminently defunct XP, someone with the resources, imagination, and marketing wizardry could very well come along with a product that can compete with MS on solid footing. I agree I don't see Apple in this. In my wildest dreams I would love to see a Linux OS arise. However, I can't discount either of them any more than I can discount an 'overnight sensation' which whisks the PC world away from MS.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By sprockkets on 4/25/2008 1:19:07 PM , Rating: 2
If by a good price that you have to add $200 just to get DVD burning capabilities, then no.

But for the form factor, it is cheap.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By xsilver on 4/25/2008 11:55:23 AM , Rating: 2
MS does not need to be dethroned in order to become irrelevant.

The whole XP debacle is a prime example. Xp being "good enough" for most users. Many are not finding appropriate justification to upgrade their OS. If everybody delays their upgrade, where is MS going to get their income from?

Meanwhile other more profitable IT ventures are able to overtake MS in the relevancy stakes (read google/yahoo)
This is one of the prime reasons why MS wants a piece of yahoo no?


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By TomZ on 4/25/2008 12:11:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If everybody delays their upgrade, where is MS going to get their income from?

I'll give you a hint - Microsoft's revenue from retail OS upgrades is a tiny fraction of their overall OS sales. Far and away, the largest chunk of OS revenue is via the OEM channel, and in that area, they get paid about the same whether XP or Vista licenses get sold.

Oh yeah, not to mention their other goldmines like Office, Servers, Dev tools, etc., etc.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By xsilver on 4/25/2008 9:28:06 PM , Rating: 2
They get paid the same whether xp or vista is sold but what if the IT manager decides to delay OS upgrades altogether? eg. instead of OS upgrades every 3 years, it becomes 5 years.

I thought this phenomenon was happening in OEM channels too.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By mmntech on 4/25/2008 12:03:49 PM , Rating: 2
Interestingly, it's the business sector that's increasingly turning away from MS. I don't think Apple can dethrone them though unless they can produce a low cost, sub-$500 system or port OS X to PC hardware. Windows has always been popular since it has the vast majority of commercially produced software for it, and that's what people want. It offers fewer restrictions and more variety. However, people are sick of the poor customer service, lack of long term support, and expensive upgrades Microsoft is currently offering (forcing). Windows is currently the most expensive boxed consumer OS on the market. Licensing fees are high. Businesses don't treat computer systems as disposable like consumers do. For businesses, Linux is becoming more tempting since it costs virtually nothing and includes all software that most workstations would need right out of the box.

I don't think MS will be dethroned anytime soon but both Apple and Linux are going to keep eroding their lead. As for the Yahoo deal, I think it stinks of anti-trust. There will definitely be yet another government investigations into their dealings if Yahoo caves in.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By Kenenniah on 4/25/2008 1:33:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Businesses don't treat computer systems as disposable like consumers do.


Umm, actually in most large corporations it's the exact opposite. Exempting enthusiasts and PC gamers, most home users keep running their computers for 4 years or more. Enthusiasts may upgrade a lot, but they resuse parts for who knows how long. I'm still using cases, DVD drives, monitors etc. from up to 10 years ago at home. Most large companies are on a 2 to 3 year depreciation cycle. My company replaces every desktop PC every 2 years, and when we do the whole PC gets "disposed". No keeping of old cases, drives, etc.

As far as the business sector turing away form MS...not in my experience. They might not be switching to Vista very quickly, but that's a far cry from moving away from MS. Most desktops are still XP, most companies still run Active Directory servers, and most still use Office. From the Vista standpoint, many are actually buying Vista but just aren't using it. All the computers we buy from Dell are coming with Vista licenses. We just use the downgrade right to reimage them with XP instead.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By Hexus on 4/25/2008 11:44:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
MS really ought to consider changing its public image to that of one which is compassionate and friendly rather than hostile and ignorant


Yes, because when a consumer is buying a Microsoft product, the first thing that enters their mind is "I wonder if Ballmer's been a good boy, if not I guess Apple gets my business."

People may complain about Microsoft's business tactics, but inovation and assertive business are what got them where thay are today. Not by playing nice.

And as much as people may complain, it's not likely to stop them from purchasing Microsoft's products.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By lightfoot on 4/25/2008 11:58:05 AM , Rating: 3
Besides, if Ballmer has to clean up his act, so too does Steve Jobs. When it comes to cut throat business practices, Jobs is no better (and possibly worse) than Ballmer.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By wordsworm on 4/25/2008 12:14:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Besides, if Ballmer has to clean up his act, so too does Steve Jobs. When it comes to cut throat business practices, Jobs is no better (and possibly worse) than Ballmer.


I agree with you. But as a teacher I can tell you, two students can be doing the same naughty things, but one will stand out and get punished while the other gets off simply because you didn't see it. That guy who gets in trouble is Ballmer. Somehow Steve Jobs has the knack of dodging the ball. A good case in point is the iTunes thing where people were pointing their fingers at Jobs over DRM, and he deflects it and turns their angst into his own agenda. He's a skilled diplomat. Ballmer, on the other hand, strikes me as a malicious, belligerent man. His recent actions with Yahoo has really confirmed my initial reaction to his personality.


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By wordsworm on 4/25/2008 12:07:35 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
People may complain about Microsoft's business tactics, but inovation and assertive business are what got them where thay are today. Not by playing nice.


I know that over the years they've pulled a few dirty tricks. However, for the most part what they did almost felt subliminal. I knew it was there, it was crafty, yet it just never took on the aura of a true villain before - at least from my perspective. In many ways I saw it as the hero which rescued the world from Apple. However, these days I feel much different.

While you may be right to a great extent, I also sense a pattern. Think of it like an inverse of radioactive decay. People and businesses might not be ready to make the switch from MS to other, but there are some who will be willing to make that switch. Maybe this year it's 2% more than last year. Next year maybe it might be another 2 or 3%. Those business owners out there are people too. Commercials and feelings run through them. Some IT people have complained about Macs, but if their boss wants to run an Apple network or have Apples integrated into the network because they feel like making the switch, the IT people will have to adapt and make those Macs work. Bosses don't usually like IT people back talking to them when they want something. They want 'yes' IT people, not 'no' IT people. As time goes on, as long as Apple doesn't really damage itself seriously, people will continue to migrate to it for the simple reason that the thought of going with MS makes people feel sick. If you don't think this scenario is possible, we can compare notes 1 year from now and see where everything is at in terms of market numbers for the private and public sector.

quote:
And as much as people may complain, it's not likely to stop them from purchasing Microsoft's products.
It's more a matter of 'Hmm... MS makes me sick. The media says that Vista is terrible. What alternatives do I have? I guess I'll go with something else.'


RE: Beware the Ides of May
By Kenenniah on 4/25/2008 1:20:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Bosses don't usually like IT people back talking to them when they want something. They want 'yes' IT people, not 'no' IT people.


Bosses in that context should be incompitent or bad bossess. Whether I end up agreeing with them or not, I welcome any opinion from knowledgeable employees. The bottom line is a "good" boss needs to do what's best for the company, not make decisions based on what he personally likes.

quote:
It's more a matter of 'Hmm... MS makes me sick. The media says that Vista is terrible. What alternatives do I have? I guess I'll go with something else.'


Again, they could be a good boss and do what's best for the company. It might not be MS products, but they should at least listen to their experts (IT staff). It's no different then choosing an investment strategy for a company and ignoring your financial experts. Smart bosses don't do that. They could also do what many businesses already are...buy computers with Vista and use the downgrade option to install XP.


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