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Microsoft Explorer blue-beam mouse

Microsoft Explorer Mini blue-beam mouse
Microsoft continues its creative improvements to everyone's favorite desktop pointing device

In July DailyTech, brought word that Microsoft was cooking up a new mouse design in the form of the arc mouse which could be folded in half for easy carrying.  Then in August, Microsoft's X5 gaming mouse, also due out holiday 2008, was announced.  Now there's even bigger mouse news coming from Microsoft that is arguably the biggest development to the business in several years.

It’s been a while since mainstream mice used balls to determine their position.  Ball-driven mice fell to the easier rolling laser mice, starting in 2004, when the laser mice made their widespread commercial appearance -- now the mouse world is poised for another revolution.

Just like the progression from VHS to DVD to Blu-Ray, mice have evolved from ball mice to red laser mice and now have reached the next stage -- blue beam mice.   Microsoft hinted that something big was coming with a teaser on its website that stated "Say Goodbye to Laser".

Now more complete details of the new mouse technology have been released at last.  The new mice's blue ray beam and wide-angle "specular optics architecture" will work together in the new mice to allow much more accurate tracking.  They can also work on surfaces red laser mice dared not to tread upon such as granite, marble, and even carpet.

If you want to own the future of mice, you won't have to wait long either.  The technology debuts in the Microsoft Explorer Mouse and that Microsoft Explorer Mini Mouse set to release in November.  These two initial offerings will retail for $99 and $79 and will be sold at Best Buy. 

The mice each feature 3 programmable buttons and a larger scroll wheel.  They operate on 2.4 GHz Wireless, reliable up to 30 ft.  The bigger Explorer Mouse is rechargeable and can go 3 weeks on a single charge.  The smaller mouse can go 6 months on a single AA battery.  Both mice also come with a 3-year warranty.


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finally...
By invidious on 9/10/2008 8:24:51 AM , Rating: 5
Finally I can use my granite mousepad.




RE: finally...
By FITCamaro on 9/10/2008 8:32:17 AM , Rating: 5
You also have to wonder if it works on all types of carpet... ;)


RE: finally...
By piroroadkill on 9/10/2008 8:51:51 AM , Rating: 5
Normally if you're getting that kind of action, you don't need to have one hand on the mouse


RE: finally...
By FITCamaro on 9/10/2008 9:00:30 AM , Rating: 5
You might if they ever start making vibrating mice.


RE: finally...
By dice1111 on 9/10/2008 9:17:41 AM , Rating: 5
A new spin on "Force Feedback"?


RE: finally...
By TMV192 on 9/10/2008 9:37:32 AM , Rating: 5
better remember to pay Immersion


RE: finally...
By aharris on 9/10/2008 10:48:08 AM , Rating: 1
This is probably the most logical train of thought I've ever read on these forums.


RE: finally...
By Polynikes on 9/10/08, Rating: 0
RE: finally...
By FITCamaro on 9/10/2008 12:46:18 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
usually a thread of replies gets broken by a random comment after 2 posts


Which was your comment and his in this case. Thanks jack@ss.

j/k


RE: finally...
By Polynikes on 9/11/2008 2:06:02 PM , Rating: 1
Hey, he broke it. Once it's broken, it's broken.


RE: finally...
By Flunk on 9/10/2008 11:50:47 AM , Rating: 3
Sorry, they already made those. Here's an old review http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ifeelmm/defaul... They stopped selling them because people didn't care enough about force feedback in mice to pay an extra $20 for one.


RE: finally...
By h0kiez on 9/10/2008 11:56:11 AM , Rating: 2
Aaaand you beat me to it.


RE: finally...
By FITCamaro on 9/10/2008 12:49:00 PM , Rating: 3
Can see the advertisement now,

Announcer: "Get your girl off and play CS at the same time."
GF: "Go left! LEFT! LEFT!!!!"
BF: "Not now I'm aiming for a head shot."
GF: "If you ever want to give your head a shot again you better go LEFT!"


RE: finally...
By deeznuts on 9/10/2008 7:08:04 PM , Rating: 3
Haha I didn't get the carpet comment until your post. I'm used to calling it a rug!


RE: finally...
By h0kiez on 9/10/2008 11:54:45 AM , Rating: 2
They already have made vibrating mice. I had one. Logitech iFeel Mouseman.


RE: finally...
By Clauzii on 9/17/2008 2:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
OR - make one Yourself:

Ball Mouse:
http://www.zerosign.net/index.php/2005/10/04/rumbl...

Optical Mouse:
http://www.make-digital.com/make/vol06/?pg=122

'Rumble Mouse' @ Google and there are plenty more :D


RE: finally...
By theapparition on 9/10/2008 9:17:23 AM , Rating: 2
Only chance I'd have to try that is if it also included rumble. ;)


RE: finally...
By HOOfan 1 on 9/10/2008 9:56:36 AM , Rating: 2
Your finger might get sore from too much double clicking


RE: finally...
By Meinolf on 9/11/2008 5:12:48 PM , Rating: 2
I was thinking the same thing. Berber


RE: finally...
By GreenyMP on 9/10/2008 8:49:08 AM , Rating: 2
The optical sensor improvements will be cool, but most users will never notice the difference. There is another recent development in mice that is far more impressive. The mouse wheel that continues spinning. Ever since I found this feature, I cannot go back. There is only one mouse that I know of that has it, but I will never own another that doesn't.

Anyway, if you haven't tried it, you should check it out. The only one that I know of is built by the other mouse company. But I will not mention the name so that I do not sound like a commercial. But it is truly revolutionary. ;)


RE: finally...
By Blight AC on 9/10/2008 9:49:41 AM , Rating: 2
Riiiight. Well yes, I also just recently bought a MX Revolution and do quite love the free spinning wheel.. although I haven't quite gotten it to work in an expected manner, as sometimes the sensor doesn't even detect spinning, other times it's flaky and the scrolling jumps up and down before settling on the right direction. The Smart sensing doesn't work reliably enough for me and I've turned the speed all the way down so that any relatively quick scrolling would start the free spin, but still it doesn't free spin when I want it to.

I also wish I could set a speed cap for the free spin so that no matter how fast the wheel was spinning it would cap the scroll speed on the application to a speed I could actualy use (that is, just slow enough for me to get an idea of the content scrolling by instead of a blur.)

I'm trying the manual mode now, where I press the middle button (cause who really uses that anyway) to toggle free spin, but I have to REALLY press down, and have to try a few times just to get it to toggle, so it's still clunky for me. But when surfing comments and forums is just fantastic when it works right. Although, I did configure it for free spin for Firefox and that was okay, just miss the ratchets when doing minor scrolling, it feels weird without the ratcheting.

I think the main problem is the wheel spin detection, it just doesn't seem quite 100%. Hopefully something that could be fixed with a driver update.

I also had the MX 1000 previously, and recently, my Revolution was running low on charge so I switched back to the MX 1000 and realized how nicely ergonomic the MX Revolution is, as the MX 1000 felt awkward. I was seeing how long I could go on a charge with the MX which is why it ran low, and for certain, it's a bit better then my MX 1000 as it lasted 9 days, which includes two pretty full gaming weekends. My MX 1000 would usually need a charge on the Friday before the 2nd gaming weekend.

Course, now I need one for work... but I'm pretty sure that won't happen.


RE: finally...
By DanoruX on 9/10/2008 10:32:55 AM , Rating: 2
The free-spinning mouse-wheel is the greatest thing to happen to internet browsing and coding since....ever.


RE: finally...
By The0ne on 9/10/2008 1:01:41 PM , Rating: 2
I think the driver is still buggy. I have all the problems you have too. To best get the mouse to work using the middle button I have to turn off their setpoint software. This allows me to switch between the modes easily. The free-spin speed is determined by how fast you scroll the middle button. If you want it to move slowly you give it a light touch. If you want it to scroll really fast then you give it a fast scroll. You get use to setting your speed.


RE: finally...
By vandalizmo on 9/11/2008 7:34:11 AM , Rating: 2
I also wanted to buy MX Revolution because of free-spin, but then found 'Grab and Drag' extension to FireFox.

My recommended settings:
- Use right button to grab and drag
- Grabbing anywhere on the screen
- Drag multiplier = 8
- Reverse Scroll direction
- Momentum enabled
* Time sensitivity - shortest
* Deceleration - smallest
* Friction - no friction

Does the thing nicely :]


RE: finally...
By Blight AC on 9/11/2008 12:06:47 PM , Rating: 2
Except jumping to the bottom or top of a page with a quick, nearly effortless flick. I do that so much it's not funny.

As far as the scroll speeds go yeah. What I'm saying is I set it on the slowest speed possible for it to enter the free spin mode (so that means it will enter free spin a the lowest possible speed allowed in the driver setting) and it's still not entering free spin as much as I'd like. Sometimes I just want to scroll down a few pages with a light flick.

Like when looking at thumbnails in a large folder and trying to find the picture I'm looking for. Just a light flick to scroll slowly enough that I can quickly scan the pics for the one I'm looking for, while still having the ratcheting for going up or down a few lines. Or scrolling down my MP3 list for a certain song or artist, I want to be able to read the artist or track name so I can stop it when I'm there. When I'm close to it, I flick relatively light so that in total it might only roll down a few pages.


RE: finally...
By Clauzii on 9/17/2008 2:42:37 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe a little strong servo motor on the scroll whell instead of the usaual optics. OK, more expensive maybe, but then the scroll wheel could be 100% percent programable, and easaly be adjusted to the preferred personall settings. Also in games, I could see the motor make the wheel go a little forth-back-forth-back when shooting/pushing/dragging stuff around. The free wheel mode would also be incoorperated into software, making the motor spin as soon a direction is detected (which can happen fast with some servos), with some preferred deacceleration curve etc. etc.

That would be THE scrollwheel and an instant hit if done right, I think.


RE: finally...
By Regs on 9/10/2008 9:03:06 AM , Rating: 3
I wonder which no-name company will sue MS now for infrindging on their patent.


RE: finally...
By Hero6 on 9/10/2008 9:19:51 AM , Rating: 2
Actually the computer that gets the most use in my house is the laptop in the kitchen on the granite counter top, so I am very excited for this.


RE: finally...
By Alias1431 on 9/10/2008 10:37:05 AM , Rating: 2
Finally, relief for my RED allergy.


RE: finally...
By Flunk on 9/10/2008 11:48:18 AM , Rating: 4
Some of these claims are really silly, I use my optical (LED, not even laser) mouse on carpet (and my couch, and hardwood flooring, and my coffee table) all the time with no problems. I think they are really scraping for the reason for us to want this thing.

Honestly Microsoft's laser technology never was any good, I had a Laser Mouse 5000 that tracked worse than the optical I had before. Best thing I ever did was replace it with a Logitech G5.


RE: finally...
By reader1 on 9/10/2008 12:14:49 PM , Rating: 2
Well, it could be that the reason Microsoft's laser mice aren't any good is because they didn't want to pay the patent holder of the better design. That would explain why they would come up with this too.


RE: finally...
By cheetah2k on 9/11/2008 1:26:12 AM , Rating: 2
Long live the Logitech G7

Pitty about the batteries.. had to swap them out constantly (between every game) in BF2142....

Great idea, but still I can't see the benefit to move to blue..

Any word on the DPI of this baby??


RE: finally...
By Locutus465 on 9/10/2008 1:37:15 PM , Rating: 2
Well I suspect this is more good news for laptop users than anyone else... Though it's worth mentioning traditional laser mice had issues working w/o a pad on my old cube at my last job, sounds like this mouse won't have those isseus.

Not sure if I like the design though, personally my fav mouse of all time is still the wireless intellimouse 2.0, very comfy and functional. I might give it a small test at best buy though.


RE: finally...
By FaceMaster on 9/10/2008 8:43:35 PM , Rating: 4
Yeah but can it run Crysis?


No revolution there...
By KernD on 9/10/2008 8:30:57 AM , Rating: 5
Who has a marble desk?
Who has a carpeted desk?
Even if it works on carpet... it won't for long, carpet gather dust, the mouse will get dirty fast on carpet.

Progress is good, but diminishing return is at work here. It's not a revolution when it's no longer an issue.

Ho and by the way, you forgot the optical mouse, not to be confused with the laser mouse, the laser mouse don't glow red, while optical mouse do.




RE: No revolution there...
By blaster5k on 9/10/2008 8:34:58 AM , Rating: 3
Yeah, optical pretty much supplanted ball mice quite a bit before 2004. More like 2000.


RE: No revolution there...
By Blight AC on 9/10/2008 9:14:46 AM , Rating: 5
Yep, who could forget the good old blinding optical mice? Especially since they are still in widespread use in workplaces.


RE: No revolution there...
By Flunk on 9/10/2008 11:49:28 AM , Rating: 2
Those have a single LED in them, if you were blinded by that you were trying really hard.


RE: No revolution there...
By KernD on 9/10/2008 3:03:51 PM , Rating: 5
Imagine how blinding the computer case is, it has TWO led in front! good thing the HDD led isn't always on.
And what about those network hub, ouch my eyes! all those blinking led, this is maddening!


RE: No revolution there...
By reader1 on 9/10/08, Rating: 0
RE: No revolution there...
By MrPickins on 9/10/2008 5:18:16 PM , Rating: 3
This happens every day at my house. Ever heard of an HTPC? And FWIW, my wireless optical mouse already works great on 95% of the surfaces I've tried.


RE: No revolution there...
By reader1 on 9/10/2008 7:41:30 PM , Rating: 1
I'm talking about making it mainstream. This is the first mouse that seems designed to be used away from the desk. Optical and laser mice are hit and miss. They weren't designed for this level of robustness.


RE: No revolution there...
By vandalizmo on 9/11/2008 7:39:12 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, and that's why first optical mice were advertised something like "Now You can use Your laptop *in bad* comfortably"


RE: No revolution there...
By MrPickins on 9/11/2008 9:10:01 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly.

Hell, both of my optical mouses even work (passably) on carpet. And both are cheap MS models. Is this just a problem with laser mice?


RE: No revolution there...
By mikefarinha on 9/10/2008 9:23:34 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Who has a marble desk?
Who has a carpeted desk?


I think you're missing the big picture. This is more for laptops than for desktops. Have you ever tried to use a laser mouse while out on the road? It's a pain because you have to keep some sort of flimsy mouse pad with you that doesn't always stick to the surface you place it on. Imagine siting at an airport using your laptop case or a notebook as your mousepad, a much nice solution.


RE: No revolution there...
By mattclary on 9/10/2008 9:50:48 AM , Rating: 1
If you aren't at a flat surface, use the touchpad. I'm actually really comfortable with the touchpad. Prefer a mouse at the desk, but for portability works great.

These aren't "designed for laptops", this is marketing.

"OMG new!!!11!! BluRay Mou5e!!!11!!"


RE: No revolution there...
By paydirt on 9/10/2008 10:55:23 AM , Rating: 1
Good for you. It can be annoying for some people (other than yourself) to use a mouse on a shiny surface. For example at home I have a glass surface for my computer desk. The red laser looks right through it (into oblivion).

If you love your laptop touchpad, then that suggests you're too cheap to get an external mouse (blue or not).


RE: No revolution there...
By mattclary on 9/10/2008 12:29:19 PM , Rating: 2
Did you read the part where I said I "prefer" a mouse?

My point is, if you have to mouse on your pant leg, you are better off using a touchpad.


RE: No revolution there...
By SiN on 9/11/2008 3:05:38 PM , Rating: 2
well youe still stuck with a ball mouse then, cos this dont work on glass either.

id just buy a mouse mat if i were you.


RE: No revolution there...
By mikefarinha on 9/10/2008 11:33:52 AM , Rating: 2
At least do 5 minutes of research before you open your mouth. Check out their website:
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard...

Click on the "Works on Virtually Any Surface" Link there it will tell you it "Works more places than ever before" including 'granite, livingroom/airport carpet, wood table, park bench'

That tells me that it was designed for mobility, eg laptops.


RE: No revolution there...
By mindless1 on 9/10/2008 7:31:36 PM , Rating: 2
so does my laser mouse, I have to try pretty hard to find a surface it doesn't work on. Oh, and it costs less than 1/3 as much and doesn't create an annoying blue glow. After a while it gets silly to have yet another device every two feet with it's own illumination, if I want that effect I'd stargaze outside.


RE: No revolution there...
By mikefarinha on 9/11/2008 11:50:27 AM , Rating: 1
I don't understand why people like you troll through tech sites. For a new pice of technology to be interesting it doesn't have to replace existing solutions. Just because you don't have a use for a mouse with optical tracking doesn't make it 'silly to have yet another device.'

Why are you so quick to knock down new technology? I don't get it. What did this new mouse ever do to you?


RE: No revolution there...
By mindless1 on 9/12/2008 1:21:23 AM , Rating: 2
I don't just knock new tech, maybe you are getting several people confused?

Did I ever say it wasn't interesting, or did I come closer to suggesting that the supposed gains aren't as significant as some thought? Instead of swallowing every idea it is fair and right to look at all aspects frankly.

If you think someone who dares mention neutral or negative asepects of a product is a troll then you really don't get it.


RE: No revolution there...
By KernD on 9/10/2008 11:25:03 AM , Rating: 3
My laser mouse(Logitech G7) works fine on my lap... I'm guessing you always have one of those on the go, with your LAPtop.

And the touch pad is fine for most usage, except for gaming.
And for gaming on the go there are portable gaming console.


RE: No revolution there...
By Nik00117 on 9/10/2008 2:36:19 PM , Rating: 2
I agree 100% i'm a car sales man and I've done deals in everything from bars to minivans. To have a mouse that can pretty much track on any surface is worth the $$$. One sale in a minivan, or on a uneven surface works.

Like one remote location I go too do advertisment i'm given this table that my optical logitech mouse simply doesn't like. Also $79 isn't that bad. I'd consider it.


RE: No revolution there...
By KernD on 9/10/2008 2:59:46 PM , Rating: 2
I guess unlike other car sales man, you don't have a desk...
And unlike other people's laptop, yours doesn't have a touch pad.

Something that useful only in such extreme cases can't really be called revolutionary.


RE: No revolution there...
By abzillah on 9/10/2008 4:15:13 PM , Rating: 2
Why use a mouse on a laptop, why not get a Thinkpad and use the Trackpoint? The trackpoint is faster than a mouse. Using the trackpoint, I don't have to take my hand off the keys while using the pointer.


COMPLETELY WRONG
By Choppedliver on 9/10/2008 10:09:42 AM , Rating: 5
"Ball-driven mice fell to the easier rolling laser mice, starting in 2004, when the laser mice made their widespread commercial appearance"

That is totally wrong.

I got rid of my "ball mouse" in 2000 when I bought a microsoft optical mouse. Optical mice were out LONG LONG before laser mice, they just used red light, not a laser




RE: COMPLETELY WRONG
By TSS on 9/10/2008 12:26:47 PM , Rating: 3
"mice have evolved from ball mice to red laser mice and now have reached the next stage -- blue beam mice"

that isn't right either. on my logitec G5 you can't see the laser beam. the only light out of the bottom is the lit up weight compartment. the optical mice however are very visable.

besides that, on the accuracy issue, how much more accurate does a mouse need to get? my laser mouse can go up to 2000 DPI, and at that resolution i can't even move an inch before my cursor hits the edge of my monitor. and i run a 1600x1200 desktop resolution.


RE: COMPLETELY WRONG
By mindless1 on 9/10/2008 7:34:18 PM , Rating: 2
Actually companies like Logitech use (believe it's infrared) lit LED optical engines that can into the market after their lasers and lack laser precision but have outstanding battery life.


RE: COMPLETELY WRONG
By 91TTZ on 9/10/2008 1:33:24 PM , Rating: 3
You are correct, sir. It seems that a lot of people confuse laser mice with LED mice.


RE: COMPLETELY WRONG
By deeznuts on 9/10/2008 7:10:21 PM , Rating: 2
Not only that, is laser mice even mainstream yet?


eh
By Chernobyl68 on 9/10/2008 12:22:52 PM , Rating: 2
I'll stick with a trackball, thanks.




RE: eh
By icanhascpu on 9/10/2008 1:55:25 PM , Rating: 5
So will all the junk on your desk.


RE: eh
By Etsp on 9/10/2008 1:56:05 PM , Rating: 2
I'd agree, but I haven't been able to find a decent wireless trackball :(. I mean, when using a computer from a couch, you aren't going to be gaming or something like that, and with a limited range of movement, the trackball would be the perfect fit, on any surface(sic). Except that it's tethered to the computer so you can't be more than 4 feet away.

Trackballs are either, decent and wired, crappy and wireless, or decent and wireless and expensive as all hell.


RE: eh
By shin0bi272 on 9/10/2008 3:45:52 PM , Rating: 2
Extension cord


Why only three buttons?
By Ashrac on 9/10/2008 8:45:15 AM , Rating: 2
Am I the only person that uses more then left click right click middle click these days? No thumb buttons? No Mouse wheel buttons?




RE: Why only three buttons?
By Lonyo on 9/10/2008 8:54:39 AM , Rating: 2
Um, there are thumb buttons. They are reasonably obvious in the first picture.

The article also says 3 programmable buttons. I assume 2 are the thumb buttons, no idea where the third might be. But also bear in mind this isn't a gaming mouse.


RE: Why only three buttons?
By Ashrac on 9/10/2008 9:45:51 AM , Rating: 2
Don't have pictures loaded. If it meant it has 3 normal and 3 more programmable that is fine, but usually specs give total number of buttons including m1/m2/middle this just listed 3.

I use programmable buttons for a lot more then gaming. Single click copy/paste for example.


RE: Why only three buttons?
By piroroadkill on 9/10/2008 8:55:01 AM , Rating: 2
Looks like it has two on the side in the form of a black strip, not totally sure though. It best have, mind, because I also use other buttons extensively


Perfect HTPC mouse?
By reader1 on 9/10/2008 8:58:29 AM , Rating: 2
This could be great to use from a couch or bed for an HTPC. Laser and optical mice don't work very well on fabrics.




RE: Perfect HTPC mouse?
By strikeback03 on 9/10/2008 9:07:40 AM , Rating: 2
My MX1000 works fine on couches. Not sure I have ever tried it on a carpet though.

Gonna suck if the thing glows in the visible spectrum because that is where the sensor works.


RE: Perfect HTPC mouse?
By reader1 on 9/10/2008 9:17:15 AM , Rating: 2
I tried a Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 6000 on the couch and bed but it didn't work well. It also couldn't track smoothly on my desk, mouse pad, notebook cover, or paper.

This brute force approach to tracking sounds promising.


RE: Perfect HTPC mouse?
By althaz on 9/10/2008 10:06:08 PM , Rating: 2
It (the MX1000) works fine on the carpet too. I just tested it. It also works fine on the surface of the monitor, my leg, my head (although that's pretty awkward and is a little less responsive), the back of my hand, the spacebar, the base of an upturned glass mug, the front, top, back and sides of my speakers, my computer case, filing cabinet and my bum.

The only thing in the room I could find that it wouldn't work on is the (not flat) surface of my old CRT screen, which is not turned on.

I'm so glad to hear Microsoft will at last allow me to go to the other side of my office and use my old CRT monitor as a vertical mousepad. I've been waiting so very long for this opportunity.


Am I the only one who still wants a wired mouse?
By Doormat on 9/10/2008 9:19:13 AM , Rating: 3
I'm beginning to feel like it.

Between that and their horrible ergonomics, I'll keep my old Explorer mouse until it breaks.




By Master Kenobi (blog) on 9/10/2008 10:58:09 AM , Rating: 2
Due to my FPS twitch gaming habits, I still use a wired mouse. Wireless of any form has a noticeable delay when trying to snipe someone in a twitch game, an unacceptable delay since he who fires first, lives to fight another day.


By noxipoo on 9/10/2008 11:19:53 AM , Rating: 2
I still use a wired mouse after using rechargeable wireless mice for a while. I got sick of how slow they were in games and how often I had to charge them after gaming for hours. Mice that were rated for weeks of usage would need to be charged after 5-8 hours of gaming after a while.


Microsoft mouse=no care
By philmax on 9/10/2008 8:38:46 AM , Rating: 1
I don't care if it makes me breakfast, the ergonomics of Miscrosoft mice blow, not to mention so does the retarded blue ring on the mouse. I don't think I would even notice more precision from my laser mouse, kinda like blue ray for a old person - with no glasses.




RE: Microsoft mouse=no care
By nosfe on 9/10/2008 8:46:51 AM , Rating: 5
so sorry but the red ring was taken by another microsoft product


Mystery solved
By djc208 on 9/10/2008 9:40:17 AM , Rating: 2
Well they had to do something with all those left over HD DVD player lasers. Toshiba didn't need them anymore, probably got a gread deal on them too. Guess this is as good a use as any, HD mice.




RE: Mystery solved
By rudy on 9/10/2008 10:06:14 AM , Rating: 2
In a sense you are right but not really the simple matter of fact is the blue ray / hd dvd war put small cheap blue lasers into mass production. Now I see blue laser pointers and just about everything the good old red laser was used for turning blue. And it was no surprise someone would do it with the mouse.


RE: Mystery solved
By sviola on 9/10/2008 12:37:18 PM , Rating: 2
well, there are green laser pointers out there.


Bluetooh question
By MrBeans on 9/10/2008 9:51:53 AM , Rating: 2
I don't understand blue tooth, but is this any more accurate than your typical wireless mouse?




RE: Bluetooh question
By rudy on 9/10/2008 10:08:36 AM , Rating: 2
The good thing about blue tooth is the standard is built into most laptops. So the really nice feature is you do no need to plug a receiver into the computer since the receiver is already built in. The problem though is so far as I have experienced blue tooth mice are not very good, I am not sure the reason but they tend to not connect well. So in the end I end up using all RF based wireless mice. But if this or any mouse goes bluetooth and has a solid connection it would be nice.


RE: Bluetooh question
By strikeback03 on 9/10/2008 5:01:05 PM , Rating: 2
I own both Bluetooth and regular RF MX1000 mice and see no difference between them in operation. Have the Bluetooth one for my laptop.


$80 and $100 for that?
By mindless1 on 9/10/2008 7:39:24 PM , Rating: 2
MS you must be joking. Even $50 is excessive.




RE: $80 and $100 for that?
By reader1 on 9/10/2008 9:18:27 PM , Rating: 2
$100 for potentially revolutionary technology seems fair.

The Logitech MX1000 Laser mouse launched at $80 four years ago. Four years later it's clear laser is just a minor improvement, largely ignored. BlueTrack could change society.


RE: $80 and $100 for that?
By mindless1 on 9/12/2008 1:11:47 AM , Rating: 2
LOL, yeah right.


Excuse me...
By DeepBlue1975 on 9/10/2008 9:28:17 AM , Rating: 1
But what's the revolutionary part on this?
Does anyone have a marble or granite made desk?
Use his PC on a carpeted floor?

Aside from the blue color, which is always cool for me, I fail to see the revolution. Maybe the author of the article tried to say something like "a new resolution", instead of "a new revolution"...

But well, we know Jason Mick is a very impressionable man and feels a color change is revolutionary?

I'm just kidding, but you can't blame me for saying that some of his articles are at least a bit sensationalist, or can you? :D




RE: Excuse me...
By reader1 on 9/10/2008 9:38:16 AM , Rating: 2
Well, laser mice don't track well on my desk or mouse pad.

Also, with nettop PCs coming out, using a PC in non-traditional locations will become more common. It's always been Microsoft's goal to get into the living room and other places and this could help. But, Wii like remotes or touch screens could work for that too.


RE: Excuse me...
By DeepBlue1975 on 9/10/2008 4:40:49 PM , Rating: 2
Had 2 laser ones already, none of them had any problems on my desk or any pad.
My actual mouse is a logitech mx revolutions, the only problem is that sometimes I have such a clutter over my desk that I keep the sensor a bit occluded and I have to move some things here and there to restore the communication :)


Epic!
By RyanM on 9/10/2008 10:09:20 AM , Rating: 5
A 'blue' mouse, but no Bluetooth support?

INSTA-FAIL.

There's no reason in this day and age to not move to Bluetooth as the connection medium instead of proprietary RF dongles.




Not sure this is necessary?
By TomCorelis (blog) on 9/10/2008 12:55:13 PM , Rating: 3
My Logitech G5 handles most any surface I can throw at it. Wood, metal, couch leather, couch cloth, carpet, my pants, my shirt.... I haven't used this thing on a surface it couldn't track on.




RE: Not sure this is necessary?
By Parhel on 9/11/2008 11:26:01 AM , Rating: 2
I haven't used a laser mouse yet that was capable of tracking on my granite counter top. It's not the end of world, obviously, but that's probably why they chose to use granite as the example.

I prefer not using a mouse pad, so if this could improve tracking on my wooden desk to the point where I could accurately play a FPS without one, that might be worth it . . . once my current mouse breaks . . . maybe.


Battery Life??
By iwod on 9/10/2008 9:47:25 AM , Rating: 2
Why is the bigger one only last 3 weeks on a single charge but the smaller one can do 6 months with single AA battery

Am i missing something?




RE: Battery Life??
By Blight AC on 9/10/2008 9:56:05 AM , Rating: 2
Smaller one uses non-rechargeable batteries, and probably has more energy saving features on it (shorter range, more often in sleep state, etc.) Not only that a cheaper rechargeable battery is a way to cut costs, since most people don't mind recharging relatively often, while buying a new battery every 3 weeks (for the non-rechargeable) would be unacceptable.


RED LED
By littleprince on 9/10/2008 10:51:59 AM , Rating: 4
The demise of the traditional ball mouse was to the RED LED Mouse, it was not a red laser, laser mice are newer.




I'm a bit confused....
By foolsgambit11 on 9/10/2008 11:58:43 AM , Rating: 2
So, this marketing campaign is "Say Goodbye to Laser".

And this new mouse uses.... blue light? It couldn't be a blue laser, because that's a laser. Then the slogan would misrepresent the product. So, it's an optical mouse, only with a blue LED?

Ah, a little research. The Microsoft site says that this technology, dubbed "BlueTrack Technology" combines optical and laser. So, since we apparently see the blue thing (unless that's photoshopped in for marketing purposes), I'd assume the optical part is now blue.

And "Say Goodbye to Laser" is misleading. As is this articles title.

Oooh, unless they're predicting Laser will leave American Gladiators.... Oh, wait, I think his name's spelled with a 'z'.... And all caps....




RE: I'm a bit confused....
By reader1 on 9/10/2008 12:50:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ah, a little research. The Microsoft site says that this technology, dubbed "BlueTrack Technology" combines optical and laser.


No, it says it combines the power of optical with the "precision" of laser. There isn't actually a laser in it, which is what makes it interesting if it works.


Marketting strikes again!
By amanojaku on 9/10/2008 12:05:55 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
"Say Goodbye to Laser".

quote:
BlueTrack™ Technology Microsoft BlueTrack Technology combines the power of optical with the precision of laser for remarkable tracking on more surfaces* *BlueTrack Technology does not work on clear glass or mirrored surfaces.


Uh, this IS a LASER. It's just BLUE.




RE: Marketting strikes again!
By reader1 on 9/10/2008 12:39:41 PM , Rating: 3
No, there is not a laser in it. They're saying they've achieved the same or better results as laser without using one.


Red vs. Blue
By SRoode on 9/10/2008 7:32:56 PM , Rating: 2
Geeze, even PC mice are going liberal...




RE: Red vs. Blue
By icanhascpu on 9/11/2008 12:16:31 AM , Rating: 2
Like a puma?