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As long as it's cheaper than PS3, it'll be status quo

Even before the XBOX 360 launched last year, Microsoft openly stated that it planned to reduce the price of its newest console on a yearly basis. Now, a year later, some gamers are waiting for that forecasted price-cut, despite constant denials

Rumors of a price drop recently surfaced on the ‘Net, perhaps fueled by consumer expectations of a reaction to competition, and by a DigiTimes story claiming that a $100 drop would be possible. DigiTimes cites sources stating that Microsoft “has negotiated reduced production costs for the XBOX 360 with Taiwan-based manufacturing partners” and “total production cost can be reduced by 15-20% due to diminishing costs for most components along with increasing production scales and decreasing defect rates.” 

It’s no secret that Microsoft will be giving its chips a die-shrink from 90nm to 65nm to reduce costs and combat heat issues. The change in process, however, isn’t going to happen until 2007. 

In the end, it’s all up to Microsoft to decide cut-or-no-cut. At the recent X06 event in Spain, Microsoft’s Peter Moore responded to the question of pending price drops with a succinct “Certainly not.” Microsoft’s explanation is that it still believes that the XBOX 360 offers great value to the consumer, which likely means that it is perfectly happy to sit right between Wii and PlayStation 3. 

While the price of XBOX 360 may remain unchanged, bundling options are still wide-open. Some XBOX 360s currently come packed with a game and some Live goodies at no extra cost, and bundles could improve as the holiday season approaches. 

Some have speculated that, instead of a price drop, Microsoft will include the HD-DVD add-on in the XBOX 360 Premium bundle to match up with PlayStation 3’s Blu-ray ability. Seeing as how Microsoft says no to a $100 price drop, it seems unlikely that a $200 accessory be included for free. But if it were so, wouldn’t that really throw a wrench into Sony’s plans?



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core/premium makes pricing difficult
By abhaxus on 10/3/2006 10:36:47 AM , Rating: 2
Having two bundles makes it difficult for me to imagine a big price drop for the 360. I would like to see the premium bundle below 350 though... or the HD-DVD drive in a bundle for 500.




RE: core/premium makes pricing difficult
By FITCamaro on 10/3/2006 11:04:30 AM , Rating: 3
A bundle with the HD-DVD drive for $450 in the states would really throw Sony off. I doubt it'll happen, but its nice to dream. I'd like to pick up an Xbox360 but I'm waiting for the 65nm conversion. I've got MC2005 so I can stream all my video through it as I currently do with my modded Xbox. But I also want to play Halo 3 when it comes out. And Fable 2. Plus a few others.

I'll get a PS3 eventually too, but I'm not paying $500 for a console. In my view, Bluray is going to loose the movie format war and 1080p in games isn't that big a deal. 720p is fine and shiny graphics don't make a good game.


RE: core/premium makes pricing difficult
By othercents on 10/3/2006 11:10:15 AM , Rating: 2
It is really about the games. Most of the college kids I know say that the Xbox360 does not have the games that the PS2 has. Everyone wants to play Halo3, but after that there is nothing else they want to play. Because of this, knowing which console will be the best in the end is up in the air. You still have the X factor of Wii which could take the market by storm.

Anyways back to the article. If Microsoft said that they would be reducing their price, then they should reduce their price. I think they are not planning too because the PS3 was priced so high. If the PS3 ended up being around the same price as the 360 then Microsoft would have reduced the price. It is unfair to the consumer to say you will reduce the price and then later on say you won't. Some people might have been waiting for the cheaper units.

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By IMPoor on 10/3/2006 1:45:10 PM , Rating: 2
I am tired of hearing that Xbox does not have good games. Thats just a lie. Most of the major companies make the same exact games for every console. If I had to geuss I would say only about 10% of the games out there are console exclusive. The other 90% are released on all consoles, usually at the same time. So no matter which console you buy you will have no trouble finding games to play. Kids just want what other kids want. Thats not always the best option its just whats popular.

I am personally very happy with the xbox360. I do not plan on going out right away to buy a PS3 due to price mainly but I do not think its gonna suck. If the 360 drops in price or they come out with better bundles then thats great. I need more of my friends online so I have people to play with. I think it would be way more awesome if they made the games cheaper. $60 is robbery.


RE: core/premium makes pricing difficult
By tuteja1986 on 10/3/2006 11:16:14 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think XBOX 360 needs any price cut , after what showed at TGS and X06 , XBOX 360 game line up is way stronger than what sony has. Alot of exlcusive new IP game worth getting excited about.


RE: core/premium makes pricing difficult
By Loc13 on 10/3/06, Rating: 0
By therealnickdanger on 10/3/2006 3:48:16 PM , Rating: 1
OMG... Sony won 3/4 of the awards across two consoles (PS3 and PS2)???? At the Tokyo Game Show In Japan??!?? How did that happen? LOL


By Xavian on 10/3/2006 4:48:37 PM , Rating: 3
this is due to Nintendo not going to TGS. Something they have done since TGS's inception. TGS used to be a purely Sony show, now its a Microsoft and Sony show.

If Nintendo went to TGS im sure they would get many of the awards Sony got.


RE: core/premium makes pricing difficult
By Chris Peredun on 10/3/2006 12:10:44 PM , Rating: 2
Canadians can currently get the following for CDN$450 (~US$400)

- XBOX 360 Premium
- PGR3
- NHL2K7
- 1250 Microsoft points
- Additional 3-month Live card

I expect this kind of bundling will become the standard come the holiday season.


RE: core/premium makes pricing difficult
By Pirks on 10/3/2006 1:44:40 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Canadians can currently get the following for CDN$450
Canadians can currently dream about CDN$450 'cause with sales tax it's CDN$520 ;-) And if you shop at FutureShop.ca it's close to CDN$600 with tax, so keep dreaming :)


By Chris Peredun on 10/3/2006 4:09:15 PM , Rating: 2
CDN$505 including taxes, if you pricematch FutureShop to WalMart. Considering that used to be the cost of just a Premium system, I consider that a fairly good deal given that you get two games, four months of Live, and 1250 points.


As if MS would tell us the truth
By NotAok on 10/3/2006 11:33:32 AM , Rating: 5
I love how every interview with MS features a question regarding a price drop, as if ms would really tell us the truth.

"YEAH GUYS, WE PLAN ON DROPPING THE PRICE OF THE 360 IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS... BUT UH... THAT SHOULDN'T STOP YOU FROM BUYING ONE NOW AT THE CURRENT PRICE LOLOL"




RE: As if MS would tell us the truth
By therealnickdanger on 10/3/2006 11:37:00 AM , Rating: 2
I know, c'mon. Why on earth would ANY company that sells a product tell consumers when they are going to lower the price??!? On top of that, why would consumers even expect them to tell? LMAO That's not how it works. The price will drop when the rules of supply&demand dictate.


By rushfan2006 on 10/3/2006 3:20:50 PM , Rating: 1
Agree with both you guys.

I was thinking the same thing...lol.

What's more funny is reading the articles about like the author of the story is even shocked "and MS simply said certainly not" (to a price drop)...

Wow that's shocking MS said NO price drop in store to the MEDIA, who's job is to inform EVERYONE....wow...simply amazing...

good stuff.....lol.


My advice
By obeseotron on 10/3/2006 3:52:45 PM , Rating: 3
My advice to MS would be:

-Kill the core system (It was always pointless)
-Drop the old premium to $350 (Basically the cost of a core with a memory card now)
-Integrate an HDDVD drive in a new premium pack for $450-$500




RE: My advice
By lemonadesoda on 10/3/2006 7:07:38 PM , Rating: 2
That should be $360 for the X360. It's just better marketing that way.


RE: My advice
By Sharky974 on 10/5/2006 6:30:42 AM , Rating: 2
And your advice is stupid. Microsoft will drop the premium before they drop the core, you mark my words.

microsoft haters (bet you are one!) are always wanting MS to drop the core because it's a big advantage eventuallyy because PS3 will always have a HDD.

It doesn't matter now, but in 2-3 years when these consoles are pushing under $200, a $50 HDD standard is a big cost. Ask Xbox 1.

Including a standard in HDD was one of the stupidest moves Sony made arguably stupider than Blu-Ray (the cost of Blu Ray looms large now but will eventually fall to ~DVD) but the HDD cost never falls.

Anyway, they just introduced the core in Japan, rather than phase it out they are increasing it.

The best strategy though would be to drop the Premium pack. Two SKU's confuse the market. Then drop the core to $249 this Christmas and boom, you own the market, with only a $50 price drop.

Then drop the HDD add on to $49. Dont worry about profit on that (there's plenty of other overpriced accessories to gouge people on anyway), $49 is probably cost+small profit, you want people to buy it for Live, and it's still way better than giving it away free like they did with Xbox1.

My plan if I say so, is pretty brilliant. Tons of people will still buy the HDD, it's only $10 more than a memory card. Yet your system is out there for $249 with no confusion. If you really want to cut Sony's throat pack in Gears LOL, but that wont be necessary.


By DigitalFreak on 10/3/2006 12:21:27 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
But will this include the Internal HD-DVD drive?

I'm planning a 2008 purchase for the Xbox 360 which is the last out of the three next-gen consoles (with Wii as 2nd and PS3 as 1st).

Someone give me info.


Hmmm... let me consult my crystal ball...

It says "no one knows, so STFU"


By Dactyl on 10/3/2006 8:21:06 PM , Rating: 3
Why do you need info now? You're not buying the thing for over a year!

And why would you describe the 360 as the "last" of the next-gen consoles, when it's the first (and only) console out?


By Serlant on 10/4/2006 6:10:45 AM , Rating: 2
i think he means itll be the last next-gen console he buys, he states that he'll get a ps3 then a wii and then he'll get an xbox360
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I'm planning a 2008 purchase for the Xbox 360 which is the last out of the three next-gen consoles ( with Wii as 2nd and PS3 as 1st ).