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Microsoft has released a Beta 2 Preview of IE7

Microsoft has made available a public preview version of Internet Explorer 7.0. The release is pre-beta 2 so bugs are likely and I wouldn't suggest using it as your main browser. Also take note that this release will only run on Windows XP with Service Pack 2 installed.

With Internet Explorer 7.0, Microsoft has finally joined the modern world with integrated RSS support, tabbed browsing and an all new user interface. On the security side of things (which I'm sure that most of you are keen on hearing about), here are some of the features that Microsoft has added with IE 7.0:
  • Architectural Base for Improved Security - Internet Explorer 7 includes architectural work that provides increased security for developers.

    A Consolidated URL (cURL) API in Internet Explorer 7 allows programmers to specifiy cURLs, rather than strings, to designate URLs.

    The cross-domain barrier feature in Internet Explorer 7 provides increased enforcement of cross domain navigational limits to prevent undersirable access to redirected data.

  • Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) - Internet Explorer 7 makes it easier to determine whether or not web transactions are truly secured by SSL. A security report icon now appears to the right of the address bar when you view a page using an SSL connection; clicking this icon displays a report describing the encryption level of the connection, the certificate used to encrypt the connection, and the certifying authority that issued the certificate. The security report also provides links to more detailed information.

  • Microsoft Phishing Filter (Available only on Windows XP) SP2 Platform) - The Internet Explorer 7 XP SP2 version includes functionality to help protect users against phishing attacks from hostile sites. A complete Microsoft Phishing Filter, including the ability for system administrators to set group policy for the entire network, will be available in Internet Explorer 7 on all platforms in the future beta releases.



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Hmmmm.........
By klingon on 1/31/06, Rating: 0
RE: Hmmmm.........
By Ackbar on 1/31/2006 2:01:57 PM , Rating: 3
I hate tabs, it really annoys me that they would put a feature like that into browsers... I think I'm the only person that hates tabs though unfortunately.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By shaw on 1/31/2006 2:05:39 PM , Rating: 2
Yes you are. :p


RE: Hmmmm.........
By Tegeril on 1/31/2006 2:07:36 PM , Rating: 2
You could, oh, say...not use them?


RE: Hmmmm.........
By Ackbar on 1/31/2006 2:20:10 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, I don't. It still annoys me that would even waste time developing such a worthless feature and integrating it with the browser such that I can't uninstall it.

The part that ticks me off the most is that sometimes I try to open a link "in a new window" and it accidentally goes to the tab b/c the options are so close together. I really would like a tab free version of IE 7.0 and/or Firefox, so that I can't get "tricked" into opening a window into a tab.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By Plasmoid on 1/31/2006 3:50:36 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah... why would a developer waste time on a feature that at least 90% of people like.

The only difference between tabbed browsing and a normal browser is that the tabs are displayed as part of the browser rather then as part of the windows start bar.

This has many advantages.

1) The start bar does not become clogged up with internet browser windows.

2) These tabs can be closed much faster.

3) Each new tab uses much less RAM then a new window would, as the entire GUI does not need to be reloaded and windows does not interfere with the memory managment.

4) Browsing is faster as instead of switching between instances of the same program (where windows will attempt to take back RAM from windows off focus, making them open slower) you are switching between tabs within the one window.

And of course most importantly.

5) It's optional.

The only disadvantage i can see is you dont like the way it looks yet you continue to use it. Just open in a new window.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By Christopher1 on 1/31/2006 6:18:02 PM , Rating: 2
You hit all the major points on why tabbed browsing is a good thing. I am a little miffed that Microsoft did not put a directed downloader into Internet Explorer, something like DTA! for Firefox.
I suggested this to them when they were taking suggestions on what you would most like to see in IE 7. I guess enough people just didn't ask for it.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By mindless1 on 2/2/2006 11:25:27 AM , Rating: 2
I like tabs but you overlook a more significant downside, that the space these tabs userp is prime real-estate. Who wants their forward and back buttons up in the far left corner? I always have them front and center... just silly to have to mouse an extra few inches every single time one wants to click on those.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By FoxFour on 1/31/2006 8:50:42 PM , Rating: 2
Use the Menu Editor extension for Firefox. It will allow you to hide the "Open Link in New Tab" option in the context menu.

https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php...

You may have to hack the version number for 1.5 compatibility (can't remember now if I had to do it with Firefox or Thunderbird).


RE: Hmmmm.........
By randomlinh on 1/31/2006 2:09:22 PM , Rating: 2
plenty of ppl hate tabs... but like firefox, i'm sure it's an OPTION.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By Ackbar on 1/31/2006 2:21:24 PM , Rating: 2
The worst ones are IM programs with tabs!!! I like separate windows for each person so I don't get confused and type something inappropriate to the wrong person.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By middlehead on 1/31/2006 2:23:51 PM , Rating: 2
I wasn't too keen on browser tabs to begin with, but I love them now. I agree with you on the tabbed IM clients, though. I'll never approve of that.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By RandomFool on 1/31/2006 2:24:07 PM , Rating: 2
that does drive me nuts. ie/ff tabs I can take or leave.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By spwrozek on 1/31/2006 4:39:10 PM , Rating: 3
Tabs for the win. Tabbing keeps everything in one "box", be it firefox or gaim. There is no clutter on my desktop and it is quick and easy to go between tabs. Lastly in IM clients you do not get peoples IM's poping up in your face. Tabs make everything easier.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By mofo3k on 1/31/2006 3:19:55 PM , Rating: 3
I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to use tabbed browsing, but since open source software is about customizing and being free to do whatever you want with your software try this.

https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php...

It's called tab killer, an extension for firefox that removes tabbed browsing. I don't recommend this to anyone however because tabbed browsing rocks.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By Ackbar on 1/31/2006 3:22:24 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not the only one! Thanks for the link! There are some other reasons I personally prefer IE to FF though, but tabs have been a major one (although I use both). Down with tabs!


RE: Hmmmm.........
By smitty3268 on 1/31/2006 4:27:18 PM , Rating: 2
I find it really strange that you don't like tabs - have you really tried using them for a while? At first I couldn't see why it really mattered but after a couple of days I can't imagine using a browser without them. They're a HUGE time saver for me since I can just middle click on 5 or 6 links and have them load in the background while I finish looking over a page. Much more efficient than opening up a menu, creating a new window, then alt-tabbing or clicking so I can get back to the original page, then repeating 6 more times before I can even begin to finish glancing over the original.

Ah, well, to each his own I guess.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By IsDanReally on 1/31/2006 5:11:28 PM , Rating: 2
If you hate them so much, you can always turn them off...a nice option labled "enabled tabbed browsing."


RE: Hmmmm.........
By IsDanReally on 1/31/2006 5:13:07 PM , Rating: 2
If you hate them so much, you can always turn them off...a nice option labled "enabled tabbed browsing."


RE: Hmmmm.........
By Questar on 1/31/2006 2:50:16 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
I still prefer Mozilla Firefox....as its less vulnerable compared to IE.....and also its pretty fast.


Wow, you're FAST!! You installed IE7 and did a complete security analysis and determined FF is less vulnerable. And in a couple of hours!!


RE: Hmmmm.........
By Saist on 1/31/06, Rating: 0
RE: Hmmmm.........
By RandomFool on 1/31/2006 4:54:48 PM , Rating: 4
Relax a bit man, all he saying is you can't count your chickens before they hatch.

Firefox is far from perfect.


RE: Hmmmm.........
By andrep74 on 2/1/2006 5:13:00 AM , Rating: 2
Have you looked at the source code for FF? Just because the source is available doesn't mean that there are millions of eyes reviewing it. There could probably be just as many people that know and understand the code for FF as there are for IE, but you wouldn't know that. Are you a developer?

You're a typical example of what I call the Linux parrot; you copied and pasted your arguments (obviously) with what appeared to you to be good logic. Try coughing up some real arguments, since it isn't hard. Yes, FF is better than IE, but not for the reasons you've stated...


RE: Hmmmm.........
By ronster on 2/1/2006 9:25:14 AM , Rating: 2
I'm sure glad someone else pointed the thing about available source code being some instant miracle window to understanding, correctness and so on.


ie7 why?
By kattanna on 1/31/2006 2:47:39 PM , Rating: 2
lets see...

i already have tabbed browsing...

i already have anti-phishing...

i already have pop-up blocking...

i already have built in RSS....

but more importantly i can also do that on more than just winxp sp2 if i need to...

so whats the big deal??





RE: ie7 why?
By bbomb on 1/31/2006 3:00:45 PM , Rating: 2
Dont you know this is the second best thing to ever happen to computing since Windows was released. Microsoft is the only company out there that still provides true innovation in the software industry. Now we can only hope that other browsers can catch up to the level of IE7.


RE: ie7 why?
By kattanna on 1/31/2006 3:10:05 PM , Rating: 2
LOL!! man you owe me for a new monitor or at least cleaning service to get the soda off of it...

too funny



RE: ie7 why?
By wuZheng on 1/31/2006 3:10:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Dont you know this is the second best thing to ever happen to computing since Windows was released. Microsoft is the only company out there that still provides true innovation in the software industry. Now we can only hope that other browsers can catch up to the level of IE7.


I SERIOUSLY hope you are being sarcastic with that reply because Microsoft has been doing nothing "innovative" for the past 6 years. All they've done is reproduce their programs with less optimisations for performance and more wasteful GUI enhancements. Case in point: Microsoft only makes their products look better on the surface, inside their functionality remains the same as a generation ago. Windows Vista is a prime example of this, its Windows XP glossed over. Office is another nice example 2003 was a glossed over version of XP. And as for other browsers catching up to the level of IE 7? Um, first its an unreleased beta product so in effect, its actually IE7 catching up to the other browsers, not the other way around. And if you look at that nice screenie at the top I'm sure you'll recognize some symbols used in Firefox's default theme. KTHXBAI.


RE: ie7 why?
By Questar on 1/31/2006 3:32:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Windows Vista is a prime example of this, its Windows XP glossed over.


You really need to learn how to google. There are very large changes to Vista under the hood for DEVELOPERS. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.


RE: ie7 why?
By bbomb on 1/31/2006 3:42:48 PM , Rating: 2
LOL Yes I was being serious. But I bet 90% of the world will think that Microsoft came out with tabbed browsing first and that ll others are just copying them. Sad But True.


RE: ie7 why?
By bbomb on 1/31/2006 3:43:11 PM , Rating: 2
replace serious with sarcastic.


RE: ie7 why?
By cookj128371 on 1/31/2006 3:48:18 PM , Rating: 3
Vista is actually built on the Windows Server 2003 code base, which was re-written completely, not a hack off WinXP. I think you'll find if you do a bit of proper research that MS is finally beginning to get things right. No more profanities in the comments as was found in Win2000 code, focus on security, consistency across different applications/platforms, user interface studies to optimize user experience, etc. The presentation and communication layers of the OS are completely re-hauled. In any case, I agree that the UI gives the impression that they're only upgrading on surface level -- feels kinda like plastic to me. Anyway, MS is still just copying a lot of competitors (and while your reference to MS copying icons, you're kind of correct, but you'd also do well to note that many of these icons, specifically RSS, are being adopted as industry standards because people recognize them), but they ARE one-upping them in some cases. For example, IE7 printing is at least on par with, if not better than, Firefox printing. The visual tab feature is great, and is something I've never seen before in a browser. Anti-phishing tools are actually built into the browser (no need to research and insteall plugins). The entire page zooming feature is also incredibly useful. Does Firefox offer all these things? Yes, in the form of extensions in most cases. Am I going to switch to IE7 upon release? Well, I'll certainly upgrade my IE6 to IE7, but I'll stick with Firefox as my default browser because I like the UI and all the developer extensions I have that will never be available for IE.


RE: ie7 why?
By albertatroll on 2/19/2006 1:07:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Vista is actually built on the Windows Server 2003 code base, which was re-written completely, not a hack off WinXP. I think you'll find if you do a bit of proper research that MS is finally beginning to get things right. No more profanities in the comments as was found in Win2000 code, focus on security, consistency across different applications/platforms, user interface studies to optimize user experience, etc. The presentation and communication layers of the OS are completely re-hauled. In any case, I agree that the UI gives the impression that they're only upgrading on surface level -- feels kinda like plastic to me. Anyway, MS is still just copying a lot of competitors (and while your reference to MS copying icons, you're kind of correct, but you'd also do well to note that many of these icons, specifically RSS, are being adopted as industry standards because people recognize them), but they ARE one-upping them in some cases. For example, IE7 printing is at least on par with, if not better than, Firefox printing. The visual tab feature is great, and is something I've never seen before in a browser. Anti-phishing tools are actually built into the browser (no need to research and insteall plugins). The entire page zooming feature is also incredibly useful. Does Firefox offer all these things? Yes, in the form of extensions in most cases. Am I going to switch to IE7 upon release? Well, I'll certainly upgrade my IE6 to IE7, but I'll stick with Firefox as my default browser because I like the UI and all the developer extensions I have that will never be available for IE.


This remains to be seen. I stopped believing propaganda from Misosoft years ago since most of the time it was wrong and that still holds true today.


RE: ie7 why?
By Snuffalufagus on 1/31/2006 11:09:11 PM , Rating: 2
"XP glossed over"
Where'd you learn that at?


RE: ie7 why?
By RandomFool on 1/31/2006 3:13:16 PM , Rating: 2
Warning! Warning! Microsoft haters detected....sarcasm meter is reading high and common sense is dropping... Warning! Warning!


Seriously, MS is trying to fix thier browser and give people what they've want. Why the need to complain about everything Microdoft does?


RE: ie7 why?
By albertatroll on 2/19/2006 1:10:46 PM , Rating: 2
Are they going to still tie it to the OS? If so then they have'nt improved it at all. If they are separating it from the OS maybe, just maybe they have earned something over the past seven years.


RE: ie7 why?
By wuZheng on 1/31/2006 3:21:54 PM , Rating: 2
Because in the process of fixing IE, they had to call on the help of opensource developers to do so. So really, Microsoft is just throwing around its big fat sack of money and the real work is being done by people who don't ask for pay at all. Lovely. (i.e: opensource developers like the ones who worked on Firefox)


RE: ie7 why?
By Questar on 1/31/2006 3:37:09 PM , Rating: 2
So?


RE: ie7 why?
By cookj128371 on 1/31/2006 3:55:47 PM , Rating: 2
Also, while I am a proponent of open source, I am also a proponent of getting paid for your work. I'll bet some of these guys MS hired from the open source community weren't even making squat. Personally, I'd take the opportunity for 2 reasons. First, obviously, I'd want the money. Second, it encourages competition in the marketplace. We all win out in the end.


RE: ie7 why?
By andrep74 on 2/1/2006 5:37:48 AM , Rating: 3
Microsoft has innovated, and others copy them also. Examples of major innovation are Windows (XP and Vista), Office 2005, .NET, virtualearth, AJAX, XBox, smart watch...

Microsoft haters are going to nitpick each one of these, while the smart person realizes that Microsoft has made some quality software because of pressure from competition elsewhere, and let's enjoy it!


...
By shabby on 1/31/2006 6:21:35 PM , Rating: 2
Does ie7 come with adblock? No... ok forget it then.




RE: ...
By INeedCache on 1/31/2006 8:41:15 PM , Rating: 2
Will IE7 feed starving children? No, forget it then. You Microsoft bashers crack me up. If they put adblock in you'd be griping they don't give other software companies a chance by integrating things in their products. So no matter what they do, you MS naysayers are all over them. I sincerely doubt anyone is holding a gun to your head to use any MS products, so don't. Car companies can integrate child seats into their cars without any griping from the third party child seat manufacturers. But as soon as MS integrates something, all the naysayers and crybabies come out. Are MS products perfect? By no means, but neither are anyone else's. Don't kid yourself, should Firefox, Opera, Thunderbird, Linux, etc., become the top dog, then they will be targeted the most and you'll see just how secure these products really are. If a human designed it, a human can crack it. Grow up, get real, and gripe about something else.


RE: ...
By Snuffalufagus on 1/31/2006 9:23:44 PM , Rating: 2
Ever notice how in the various Windows Software users groups they don't tend to bash open source near as much as open source groups, or mac groups, or any group, tend to bash MS?

It'll be a sad day when the people get bored and decide to exploit Linux vulnerabilities the way they currently do Windows, kinda like when Apple announced the Intel switch, a lot of crow was eaten that day.

They wanna keep trying to hack Windows go ahead, force MS to keep the stress on security to drive it towards an even more secure evironement than it would have been. Once it gets too difficult the little hacker shits will start targeting the other systems.


RE: ...
By Christopher1 on 2/1/2006 1:56:35 AM , Rating: 1
It will never be too hard to target an operating system. I have talked with people who in five minutes could write a piece of code that woul wreak havoc in all three major operating systems, Linux, OSX and Windows XP.


RE: ...
By Snuffalufagus on 2/1/2006 4:16:34 AM , Rating: 2
I don't doubt it, and most worth-while system developers could, but they're not the guys hacking into everything and writing security exploits as they have better things to do.

I'm not worried about most of those guys, they got the skills but have no reason to do it, they don't find it cool to screw things up for others, it's the little jerks who regurgitate other peoples code that do it.


RE: ...
By shabby on 1/31/2006 9:41:10 PM , Rating: 2
Microsoft basher? Adblock was the only reason i switched to firefox. Other then that i dont mind ie6 at all.
All ms has to do is allow extensions like firefox has, what those extensions do wont be microsofts fault so they cant be blamed for blocking ads. But it will allow others to make ie do what they want.


RE: ...
By Christopher1 on 2/1/2006 1:55:08 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft has come to the conclusion (somewhat rightly, somewhat wrongly) that it is too insecure to allow extensions.
That was one of the suggestions that was absolutely rejected by Microsoft, because it would be too hard to keep unscrupulous websites from installing their mal-extensions.
Of course, that wouldn't be an issue if Microsoft made a list of websites that were allowed to install extensions, like Firefox has, and allow you to add sites that can install extensions to the list.


RE: ...
By ZmaxDP on 1/31/2006 11:28:03 PM , Rating: 2
"Car companies can integrate child seats into their cars without any griping from the third party child seat manufacturers."

Sorry to nitpick, but this statement is completely untrue. Every instance where a concept car had integrated car seats, a bill was suggested to force integration, or a car entered production with integrated car seats; third party car seat manufacturers griped, lobbied, and blacklisted each and every attempt (successful or not). Unfortunately, when a company has an established territory and some other company tries to branch into it, the original company whines, complains, discredits, calls their congressman, and anything else they can think of to get the new company out. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. Fact of business...



RE: ...
By albertatroll on 2/19/2006 1:17:40 PM , Rating: 2
Is'nt Microsoft suppose to lead rather than be lead.

If they are going to bring out a piece of software then they should start thinking outside of the box, which they seldom due, rather they find it easier just to buy a company that offers something they don't. I really looks like innovation at MS is dead or they have some highly paid programmers that do squat.


hmmmm
By RandomFool on 1/31/2006 2:25:11 PM , Rating: 3
Daily Tech's top bar doesn't show up in IE 7 it flashes for a seonc and then disappears weird...




RE: hmmmm
By NFS4 on 1/31/2006 2:29:52 PM , Rating: 2
Same here...


First flaw in IE 7 Beta 2
By Christopher1 on 2/1/2006 1:58:52 AM , Rating: 1
And I have noticed the first flaw in Internet Explorer Beta 2. When you click on a news article from the www.dailytech.com website, the bar at the top with the Home and other buttons disappears completely. I have tried turning the protection down all the way for trusted sites, but it still won't reappear.
Could just be that IE 7 doesn't support the function that is used to create that bar.




By Christopher1 on 2/1/2006 2:01:35 AM , Rating: 1
And I just found out why it wouldn't let the things run. You have to "Allow Scriptlets" in the Custom Settings portion of Internet Options in order to get the bars to work.


RE: First flaw in IE 7 Beta 2
By RandomFool on 2/1/2006 9:05:27 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure that's an IE 7 flaw...


Productivity
By littlebitstrouds on 1/31/2006 2:39:21 PM , Rating: 2
You can always argue that tabs increase productivity in a business work place... If I want 5 or more webpages up I'd hate to have to scroll through the taskbar arrows to open up all the differant pages... and in the business workplace being able to quickly access any program in the taskbar is essential. I beg you to defy that arguement.

BTW I hated tabs also until I forced myself to use them, now I can't even begin to stand web surfing without them.




M$ is teh ebil!
By Pythias on 2/1/2006 1:53:49 AM , Rating: 1
Its true!!!! Microsoft eats babies, causes cancer, invaded poland in 1938, and cause low fetal birth weight in galopogos turtles! Damn the MAN!




IE7 sucks
By T1 on 2/1/06, Rating: 0
"This is about the Internet.  Everything on the Internet is encrypted. This is not a BlackBerry-only issue. If they can't deal with the Internet, they should shut it off." -- RIM co-CEO Michael Lazaridis











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