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Apple is reportedly a huge fan of Metro and is "borrowing" its design, but won't help Windows 8 out

Windows 8 has its fair share of detractors, but its latest struggle has been with a snub from Apple, Inc. (AAPL).  While Apple designers are reportedly looking towards a "flatter" UI for iOS 7 a la the Metro/Windows 8 UI, they don’t appear to be in any rush to bring out a Metro version of iTunes for Microsoft Corp.’s (MSFT) Windows 8 operating system.

Microsoft's Windows chief financial officer Tami Reller complains, "You shouldn't expect an iTunes app on Windows 8 any time soon.  ITunes is in high demand. The welcome mat has been laid out. It's not for lack of trying."

While Apple has not officially dropped support for the Windows platform -- its largest iTunes customer base -- it's not putting much effort into it either.  Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro users can still access the legacy iTunes, but only in desktop mode.  Windows RT users (not that there are many of them -- reportedly only 200,000 Windows RT tablets sold in Q1 2013) can't access iTunes at all, as Windows RT only runs Microsoft-approved apps compiled to run on the ARM architecture.

While Ms. Reller says that Microsoft firmly believes in its first-party Xbox Music app, she acknowledges that Apple's music store remains the most popular digital music store.  That's why she's so frustrated at the snub.

Xbox Surface

Despite (relatively) weak sales of Microsoft's first-party Surface Pro and Surface RT tablets, Apple is reportedly concerned that designing a Metro app could make the playing field a little too level between the iPad and Surface.

So far 100 million Windows 8/RT licenses have been sold, so there's probably > 50 million Windows 8/RT users in the wild to be conservative.  That's a lot of customers to overlook.

It remains to be seen whether the move backfires on Apple.  After all, Windows users have access to other digital music stories such as Google Inc.'s (GOOG) Play music store and Amazon.com, Inc.'s (AMZN) Amazon MP3 service -- both of which are reportedly working on Metro editions of their music marketplace apps (Google recently released a Metro edition of its YouTube app, so it knows a thing or two about developing for the platform).  And then there's Microsoft's own bundled offering.

If Apple refuses to play ball with Metro, it may see purchases from Windows users decline.  And while Apple typically would cheer at Microsoft's loss, in this case that loss might be mutual.

Source: CNN Money



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iTunes on Windows
By kingmotley on 5/10/2013 2:28:37 PM , Rating: 5
Half the time, I wish iTunes wasn't available for Windows at all. It's the worst media player/manager I've ever used. It leaks (network) resources, suddenly stops responding to bonjour requests (AppleTV's can't see it), iPhones constantly refusing to sync (Can't find app, can't sync app, various other error messages), and no matter what kind of PC you have, you will never be able to play back a 1080p video with more than 2FPS (I kid you not). VLC, and even windows media player will play it back just fine and use like 3% of the CPU while doing it.

iTunes on Windows is crap. Soon as my 2 year contract is up with AT&T, I'm ditching it for something else. I've already given away one of my AppleTV's, and I'll replace them as soon as I'm otherwise off the apple eco-crap-system.

Too bad because it was just a couple years ago that Apple stuff actually "just worked". Now it rarely does, and when it does, it does it poorly.




RE: iTunes on Windows
By xti on 5/10/2013 2:43:46 PM , Rating: 1
i wish iTunes could replace kies, i would take iTunes in a heartbeat.


RE: iTunes on Windows
By PrinceGaz on 5/10/2013 2:49:13 PM , Rating: 5
You're not using iTunes right.

Sometimes iTunes encounters problems but they can usually be fixed by doing one or more of the following simple steps (not necessarily in this order)...

a) Disconnect iOS device and then reconnect it
b) Shut down iTunes on the PC and then restart it
c) Delete problematic app/video/whatever from iOS device and reinstall it to the device via iTunes to ensure correct sync
d) Delete items from the iTunes library on the PC, then re-add them
e) Restart iOS on the device
f) Restart Windows on the PC
g) Connect iOS device to PC using different USB socket
h) Delete iOS device backup files from PC if a backup problem still persists
i) Update iTunes on the PC
j) Delete iTunes completely from PC (including all associated media files and backups) then reinstall it
k) Restore iOS device should it still fail to sync
l) If all else fails, reinstall iOS to the device

I think you'll agree that it is really very straightforwards to ensure iTunes works correctly, provided you are using it right and perform the above steps as needed depending on the circumstance.


RE: iTunes on Windows
By BRB29 on 5/10/2013 3:08:24 PM , Rating: 5
lol that doesn't look so simple

I think he's saying itunes on windows does not work as fluid as itunes on apple devices. Which is true.


RE: iTunes on Windows
By Argon18 on 5/10/13, Rating: -1
RE: iTunes on Windows
By themaster08 on 5/12/2013 8:18:42 AM , Rating: 2
LOL!

Try running SMBs or larger size businesses with 10s of thousands of PCs and hundreds of servers, all on Linux.

You clearly have never worked in IT, otherwise you would have never come out with such an asinine, dimwitted statement.


RE: iTunes on Windows
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/12/2013 9:16:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
asinine, dimwitted statement.
Pretty common for him.


RE: iTunes on Windows
By invidious on 5/13/2013 12:13:16 PM , Rating: 2
I don't hear anyone complaining about the IOS client of MS Office.

How could you possibly recommend Linux to anyone who is concerned with operator convinience and seemless product support? Linux is great for many thing but its just about the complete opposite of the OP is looking for.


RE: iTunes on Windows
By Fleeb on 5/10/2013 4:10:53 PM , Rating: 5
In other words, it just works.


RE: iTunes on Windows
By Just Tom on 5/13/2013 2:58:50 PM , Rating: 2
No offense but if one has to jump through that many hoops to make iTunes work the fault is with iTunes not the user.


RE: iTunes on Windows
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/13/2013 3:01:01 PM , Rating: 2
That this is rated up....wow. Sad...


RE: iTunes on Windows
By bug77 on 5/10/2013 7:15:23 PM , Rating: 3
But that's the beauty of it: iTunes and tiles, two pieces of software nobody wants, together. A match made in hell.


RE: iTunes on Windows
By Omega215D on 5/12/2013 7:46:07 AM , Rating: 2
Except tiles on WP8 is smooth while itunes on anything other than an Apple device is a slow and laggy mess.


RE: iTunes on Windows
By Reclaimer77 on 5/10/2013 7:37:10 PM , Rating: 2
Agree.

I installed iTunes once and only once, so my girlfriends kid could put some songs on her iPod.

It was the single most miserable software experience of my computing life.

Runner up? Quicktime for Windows. Another abysmal garbage program from Apple.


RE: iTunes on Windows
By MooseQuest on 5/11/2013 10:03:37 AM , Rating: 2
For the most part iTunes on the PC and Mac are the same. That is they look the same, but perform much differently. While I've had sync issues on Mac with my devices, it's usually because I'm doing it via wireless. You present your experience as if it were the same for everyone else, which isn't true. And to be honest, if you are doing this all through Wireless (AppleTV, etc.) that's a whole other issue in itself!

I do not have any issues with playback on iTunes in 1080p on my PC. This is Windows 8. I have a 2011 Processor (AMD Phenom II X6 at 3.8Ghz)and 8GB of RAM. From your post I can tell you have Windows. Nothing else. Compare your specs to mine, and maybe that might allude to some of your issues.

I'm assuming you mean, you are ditching your iPhone for another device, perhaps Windows Phone or Android. I'm not sure that's the solution to your problem. With the fragmentation, lack of branded app support and recycling of devices, compared to Apple it could be more frustrating.

I believe that people dislike iTunes simply because they don't know how to use it. Now it is slightly immutable, like all Apple's products. I've seen complaints from it doesn't organize my music the way I want it, it doesn't look or display the way I want it. A lot of UI issues. Last time I checked, I listened to music. For me, I have Smart Playlists, folders, everything and I'm able to view and find my music fast. The fact that I can replicate that same experience across all my devices is even better.

Apple still "just works". Perhaps working with a Mac is your solution. And if OS X scares you or your worried about software that runs on Windows only, you shouldn't. My current Mac is a MacBook Pro 2011. I've got more then enough RAM and processing speed. Windows 7 and OS X run natively with the help of Boot Camp. Zero issues (besides Windows general flakiness).

Metro is interesting. I don't mind the UI, but the UX (user experience) is actually great. I can do tasks that are normally ad-hoc much faster. Like being able to look up a friend by their name, gives me all their social (Facebook and Twitter) updates merged together. So I can see the benefits for an app, but still I would think there would be complaints.


RE: iTunes on Windows
By V-Money on 5/11/2013 2:28:24 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I'm not sure that's the solution to your problem. With the fragmentation, lack of branded app support and recycling of devices, compared to Apple it could be more frustrating.


Or he could simply buy a Nexus 4 for 300 bucks (or wait for the 5 which will be out soon), not have to deal with a contract since he would own the phone, get updates as soon as they come out, and simply use the play music app that links to your google music account.

This fragmentation thing annoys me because most people don't understand it. Yes there are a lot of devices to pick from (and we all know options are a bad thing), yes there are some companies that don't update or support their devices as much as they should, but there are always the Nexus devices if you don't want to deal with that. The choice is yours, and even with other phones it is easy (and for people on this site very easy) to install custom roms and make your phone however you want it to be.

As for being frustrating, when I use a new phone I pop in the sim card, log into my account, and all of my apps, contacts, and music are available to me. How is that frustrating? My entire collection of music (~9000 songs) are in the cloud and you can download them to your phone if you want very easily. When I get new music on my laptop it automatically gets uploaded to my google music account. In other words, everything just works...


RE: iTunes on Windows
By Bubbacub on 5/12/2013 2:26:26 AM , Rating: 2
they have made the windows version terrible on purpose to drive mac sales.

simples....


Maybe
By kleinma on 5/10/2013 1:55:21 PM , Rating: 3
Maybe Apple doesn't want to release iTunes for Metro because they can't also shove quicktime, safari, and a slew of other apple software onto the user as part of the "upgrade" process.

I got rid of iTunes a long time ago, and I haven't missed it yet.




RE: Maybe
By spread on 5/10/2013 2:03:14 PM , Rating: 5
You don't want a media player slowing your computer down to a crawl?

It's 2013 and audio is still very processor intensive just ask Apple.


RE: Maybe
By BRB29 on 5/10/2013 2:36:41 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure the idea is that a ton of people have hundreds to thousands of dollars invested into itunes. Apple will not let you transfer it to other means besides their devices and a CD burn.
Microsoft wants to sell more tablets so it's better for them to let apple have their itunes on their OS.

But...apple doesn't want to help their competitor sell more tablets.


RE: Maybe
By inighthawki on 5/10/2013 4:04:33 PM , Rating: 2
It's a two way street. Having a popular product on another platform gives you more music sales too. It's a matter of whether or not it's worth it.


RE: Maybe
By inverse137 on 5/10/2013 4:26:11 PM , Rating: 2
That's not true. I have apple computers, apple tv, apple everything....except I have an android phone.

At first I thought I had to copy the entire itunes library to flash card but then I just installed Google Music on my Mac and Google Music synced to the Cloud. I now have everything on Mac and iCloud and everything on my Android.

True, it is not a bi-directional sync. For example, my Playlists do not update. But, my entire library is available on Google Music and therefor my android phone.


RE: Maybe
By BRB29 on 5/13/2013 7:59:51 AM , Rating: 2
So you're confirming what I'm saying.

I'm pretty sure the reason why it kinda works is because of google and not Apple. Have you ever looked at the actual files for your itunes music? It's all randomized and the names are gibberish intentionally. It's made so it won't play well with others. The fact that Apple made no official way to transfer it is confirmation.

That's like saying the B&N Nook is better than the Ipad mini because you can do install a hacked OS on it. No, it's better because it's significantly cheaper.


Legacy... groan...
By domboy on 5/10/2013 4:46:08 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro users can still access the legacy iTunes, but only in desktop mode.


Holy freakin' cow, how awful it must be to have to run an old legacy app in desktop mode!!

Why do people keep referring to desktop apps as legacy apps. It is really getting on my nerves. If there is a single desktop application that has been released since Windows 8 came out then how are desktop apps "legacy"?? Hmm, Office 2013... legacy app!!! Just call it what it is... a desktop app. And what is wrong with iTunes staying as a desktop app??

Sure RT users are left out, and this is another example of why I think the desktop on RT should to be opened up to third parties. Why should Apple have to completely redesign their app? Just 'cause Microsoft says so? But then again, I probably don't want iTunes on my Surface RT either way... I've got a desktop PC for that.

Somebody on another forum on this news topic commented that Apple may just want to keep a somewhat consistent look between the Windows and Mac versions. Makes sense to me.




RE: Legacy... groan...
By cogx on 5/11/2013 9:48:01 AM , Rating: 2
++

I'm still waiting for just one of the hundreds of substantive applications people use every day on a Windows PC at work/school to be ported to a fully-functional Windows Store app. Consumption-based apps are fine, great, but probably 95% of all Windows PC use is in running creation-based applications that work just fine on the Desktop where one can actually multitask and have, well, Windows plural.


RE: Legacy... groan...
By Xplorer4x4 on 5/13/2013 1:52:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
on the Desktop where one can actually multitask and have, well, Windows plural.

So Android can multitask and iOs can "multitask" despite only showing you a single window, but Win RT/Metro works in a similar way. You may not have multiple windows open, but you can quickly switch between applications all the same.


RE: Legacy... groan...
By sprockkets on 5/11/2013 10:29:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why do people keep referring to desktop apps as legacy apps. It is really getting on my nerves.


Legacy just means Win32 and all the cruft from 20 years finally being replaced with WinRT (windows runtime, not windows on ARM).

Even if "desktop" apps continue they won't rely on the "outdated" windows desktop, they'll just use the new interface (in quotes to show I don't necessarily agree with it).


I'd love if...
By Wolfpup on 5/10/2013 1:56:36 PM , Rating: 2
I'd love if programs-like iTunes and MS/Libre Office-could be installed once and work with/toggle between the Metro and desktop interfaces.

I LOVE having a program like iTunes to manage my podcasts and my programs for tiny devices...really wish Google with Android and Microsoft with Windows Phone 8 (and for that matter, Metro) would do something similar...




RE: I'd love if...
By spread on 5/10/2013 2:04:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I LOVE having a program like iTunes to manage my podcasts and my programs for tiny devices...really wish Google with Android and Microsoft with Windows Phone 8 (and for that matter, Metro) would do something similar...


Android does it on it's own. You don't need momma computer to do it for you. You can even program it to do so while on wifi instead of using up data.


heck
By sprockkets on 5/10/2013 3:21:44 PM , Rating: 2
Apple still won't even make itunes a proper cocoa app for OSX IIRC, and they would make a native app for WinRT?

Then you have to make drivers for WinRT, since they will not be the same as x86/64 bit ones. Not a big hurdle but still.

Then there is the dependencies. They can't make everything else work like it does in old school windows, nor have 50 background services just to service their devices.

And for that matter, it would be as if an ipad like device servicing an ipad. WinRT isn't made for that, nor would any sane person put their whole music collection on such a device anyhow.




Apple response
By Ammohunt on 5/10/2013 3:23:01 PM , Rating: 2
Apple should respond with "As soon as you release Office for iOS"




Just say NO
By DukeN on 5/10/2013 3:59:49 PM , Rating: 2
Haven't used iTunes in years. My various PCs have thanked me for it. Not sure why anyone would want to suffer like that..




itunes
By menotu on 5/10/2013 10:16:29 PM , Rating: 2
iTunes, Apple Maps, and Siri all on new cars... can you imagine what will happen... RUN, HIDE>..




YouTube
By abakshi on 5/11/2013 3:55:21 AM , Rating: 2
Just a correction: the new YouTube app (which is on Windows Phone 8, not Windows 8) was made by Microsoft, not Google.




!!!!!
By MelodyRamos49 on 5/12/13, Rating: 0
How times have changed
By Tony Swash on 5/12/13, Rating: -1
RE: How times have changed
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/12/2013 9:20:58 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
and what pleasure this all brings to many old Mac fans who remember you 1990s.
No, just toolbags like you.


RE: How times have changed
By Tony Swash on 5/13/2013 7:13:13 AM , Rating: 2
Your irritation pleases me even more :)


RE: How times have changed
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/13/2013 8:25:33 AM , Rating: 2
Not irritated....so you can get that out of your moron head.


RE: How times have changed
By Tony Swash on 5/13/2013 10:29:06 AM , Rating: 1
I think you are a bit irritated really but want to desperately hide it for some reason :)


RE: How times have changed
By Cheesew1z69 on 5/13/2013 10:53:56 AM , Rating: 2
I think you don't know wtf you are talking about.


Apple & Metro
By name99 on 5/11/13, Rating: -1
RE: Apple & Metro
By messele on 5/13/2013 2:56:23 AM , Rating: 3
Since when did DailyTurd report anything but bitter conjecture and fanboy fantasy?

Anything to get the usual hateful mouthbreathers golf-clapping like a bunch of demented sealions.


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