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Xbox 360 still shunning the idea of Blu-ray Disc support

Those near the playground have undoubtedly seen the teeter-totter on whether or not Microsoft is secretly cooking up a Blu-ray Disc drive add-on for the Xbox 360. A report from Taiwan’s DigiTimes stated that Lite-On is working on such a Blu-ray Disc accessory for the Microsoft console.

Not unexpectedly, Microsoft representatives were quick to deny the report’s validity, saying to TechRadar, “Lite-On is not manufacturing Blu-ray drives for Xbox 360. As we have stated, games are what are driving consumers to purchase game consoles and we remain focused on providing the largest library of blockbuster game available.”

Such comments reflect Microsoft’s attitude around the fall of HD DVD, which the company said would not affect the attractiveness of the Xbox 360.

The Microsoft representative added, “For our customers who want a premium movie experience we offer the largest library of on-demand HD content available and the ability to play back DVDs in high definition.“

Aaron Greenberg, group product manager for Xbox 360, pointed out in an earlier interview that digital downloads were the current focus on delivering high-definition movies to its consumers. “We're the only console offering digital distribution of entertainment content,” he said.

While the constant rumors of a Blu-ray Disc drive for Xbox 360 makes it seem almost inevitable, Microsoft could be holding back confirmation of a device for a number of reasons. For example, it may have contractual agreements not to announce such a product until it is finalized, or perhaps Microsoft is taking a wait-and-see attitude depending on the growth of its Xbox Live Marketplace.

High-def movie addicts who now find themselves without any new content to feed their HD DVD drives may feel compelled to turn to digital download solutions rather than buying a Blu-ray Disc player. Those that demand physical media may look to Xbox 360’s prime competitor, the PlayStation 3 which could help explain the sudden sales rank surge of Sony’s console.

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Denial...
By jadeskye on 4/2/2008 4:55:50 PM , Rating: 5
Didn't microsoft deny the elite even 1 day before it was released. even though we had schematics. leaked photos, pricing and even consoles early on the shelves of walmart or something?




RE: Denial...
By phattyboombatty on 4/2/2008 5:03:42 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, all the corporations do this. I don't even know why they bother making these public denials because nobody believes a word they say. It's probably a contractual obligation that they have to make a public denial if a leak occurs.


RE: Denial...
By theapparition on 4/2/2008 8:51:47 PM , Rating: 5
Nope, you have it all wrong. It's all in the wording. Ever watch a car commercial? This car gets the best gas mileage in its class . What other cars are in it's class, who defines that? We've already seen the folly of movie reviews by "made up" studio reviewers. All of this is not "lying", per se, but rather careful crafting of wording.

Now, back to Microsoft. They never once denied the Elite, or HD-DVD drive, et al.
What they said was......."We have no plans at this time to announce any new products".

If they said......We're not going to ever release a 360 with HDMI port, than that would be lying. But they never said that. They just said they didn't have plans to announce anything right now. See the difference?

As you said, same with pretty much every company in the world. If you look very closely at Microsoft's press releases reguarding Blu-ray, you'll see the same old loopholes that they always use. They do if for various reasons, partly for competitive edge and partly to reduce cannibalizing sales of current units.


RE: Denial...
By NullSubroutine on 4/3/2008 4:33:21 AM , Rating: 2
MS provided documentation that stated the original Xbox 360 had HDMI output for video and then it didnt. Just suprized no one sued them for it.

I created a home theater system for a uncle of mine that would include a 360 when it game out. I am just glad I had him run a VGA cable to the projector on the ceiling and not just the HDMI cable otherwise we would have been screwed.


RE: Denial...
By Hiawa23 on 4/3/2008 10:30:33 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, all the corporations do this. I don't even know why they bother making these public denials because nobody believes a word they say. It's probably a contractual obligation that they have to make a public denial if a leak occurs.

I agree, the corporations are as bad as the politicians when it comes to telling you what they want you to hear, or it could be some contractual obligation...


RE: Denial...
By PAPutzback on 4/2/2008 5:08:07 PM , Rating: 5
Yep.

They'll do Blu-ray. It is just a matter of time. They probably had it in the works long before the demise of HD-DVD.

I told my Father In-law to get a ps3 the other day when he finally bought into HDTV. And he'll never play a game. But seeing as Fry's had BD players price for 399 but were out of stock I told him to go with the PS3. Same price, more features. They were more interested in plugging in a usb drive with photos on it then watching Spiderman 3. I was always against Sony but seeing how sleek the PS3 looked and how easy it was for a non tech to pick up the controller and start creating slide shows I have to admit I am pretty impressed. I picked up a blu-ray player for my PC to help me hold out for a Blu-ray player for the 360. but if there isn't one by Christmas I'll be getting a PS3 unfortunately.

MS needs to do two things to stay competitive in the next year or two and that is to get blu-ray inside the xbox and also get Cable card tuners available to the public.


RE: Denial...
By Reclaimer77 on 4/2/2008 5:31:37 PM , Rating: 2
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MS needs to do two things to stay competitive in the next year or two and that is to get blu-ray inside the xbox and also get Cable card tuners available to the public.


I don't think MS needs your advice on what they need to do to stay competitive. People like you were probably predicting the complete and total failure of the Xbox and Xbox Live years ago when the first one was being developed.

I think making it a far gone conclusion that Blu-ray is here to stay is a bit too hasty. Beating HD-DVD doesn't mean the sales for Blu-Ray are any less dismal compared to standard DVD sales.

Microsoft never, EVER, claimed the X-box was anything other then a game console FIRST. If you want a game console that thinks its a piece of audio video equipment, buy a PS3. If you want to play great games with a polished online service, get an Xbox. The X-box does not " need " Blu-Ray drives and cable tuner cards of all things to be competitive.


RE: Denial...
By TerranMagistrate on 4/2/2008 7:49:17 PM , Rating: 1
What the Xbox 360 does need is a compelling 2008-2009 gaming lineup and unfortunately that lineup literally pales in comparison to PS3's upcoming.


RE: Denial...
By crazyblackman on 4/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Denial...
By FITCamaro on 4/3/2008 8:50:14 AM , Rating: 2
Other than MGS4, most titles I'm waiting on are cross platform. And I don't believe GT5 and FFXIII will make it in this year. Can't wait for GTAIV, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, Fable 2, Alan Wake, and Gears of War 2. Thats all thats really confirmed for 08.

If you look on a site like IGN for release dates, nearly all the titles on one console are on the other. As far as 2009, I don't look at the following year until the November, December timeframe because any game that says it will be out at a particular time over 9 months away is just guessing.


RE: Denial...
By Hiawa23 on 4/3/2008 10:41:17 AM , Rating: 2
What the Xbox 360 does need is a compelling 2008-2009 gaming lineup and unfortunately that lineup literally pales in comparison to PS3's upcoming.

not sure how you arrived at that. I am looking forward to MGS4, Motostorm 2, Resistance 2, perhaps, Killzone 2 if it ships, but I buy all multiplatform games on the 360, & Ninja Gaiden is my alltime favorite series, so as far as I am concerned, they are even maybe slighted towards the 360 since I only bought the PS3 for it's Blu ray enabled Cell enhanced games, & that pales in comparison to the number of 360 titles I will buy this year.

Ms needs to do what it's been doing which is allow devs to put out the most games, & better multiplatform games on the 360, continue to improve LIVE which is still unmatched by FREE PS3 online. They are games first, & all the movie stuff, blu ray drive stuff is not needed for the console, IMO.


RE: Denial...
By Bioniccrackmonk on 4/2/2008 9:50:30 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I don't think MS needs your advice on what they need to do to stay competitive. People like you were probably predicting the complete and total failure of the Xbox and Xbox Live years ago when the first one was being developed.


Nothing he said was really negative, what's with the hostility?

quote:
I think making it a far gone conclusion that Blu-ray is here to stay is a bit too hasty. Beating HD-DVD doesn't mean the sales for Blu-Ray are any less dismal compared to standard DVD sales.


The only other HD media available is CH-DVD, but I don't think that one will be adopted outside of China. Besides, when DVD's first came out, they went for $30 a pop and the hardware was $1200 also. Now that a format has won, more companies will start mass producing players and discs and the prices will start falling as production is ramped up.

quote:
Microsoft never, EVER, claimed the X-box was anything other then a game console FIRST. If you want a game console that thinks its a piece of audio video equipment, buy a PS3. If you want to play great games with a polished online service, get an Xbox. The X-box does not " need " Blu-Ray drives and cable tuner cards of all things to be competitive.


They might have called it a gaming console first, but they did advertise it as a media center for the living room as well.

As far as their online service goes, the PS3's is pretty solid now and the best part is, it's free.


RE: Denial...
By Reclaimer77 on 4/3/2008 5:09:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The only other HD media available is CH-DVD, but I don't think that one will be adopted outside of China. Besides, when DVD's first came out, they went for $30 a pop and the hardware was $1200 also. Now that a format has won, more companies will start mass producing players and discs and the prices will start falling as production is ramped up.


There was a big demand for DVD. Before DVD's all there was were Laserdisk if you wanted something better than VHS. There is just not a big demand for high definition DVD's. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Blu-Ray is going to fail. I just think its highly likely that it could due to poor sales.

quote:
They might have called it a gaming console first, but they did advertise it as a media center for the living room as well.


Oh ? I can't even remember seeing one. They certainly aren't pushing that as the MAIN selling point. They are pulling no punches, they have stated time and time again its a GAMING console first.

quote:
As far as their online service goes, the PS3's is pretty solid now and the best part is, it's free.


Depends on your definition of " solid ". Apparently Sony has been in the habit of giving its customers a break ?? Stupid me, I had the opinion that it was free because nobody would pay for it .


RE: Denial...
By omnicronx on 4/2/2008 5:35:24 PM , Rating: 3
You forget that the 360 is incapable of outputting true-hd and dts-ma.. As BD starts to catch on features like these will make a difference, whether it be a Bestbuy employee telling you a PS3 is better because of the added support, or the enthusiast who knows what they are talking about just not wanting a mangled product..

The only advantage i can see for MS here, is BD players are not falling in price (no surprise here), an addon could force Sony and co to lower their entry level prices in fear letting MS take away from its sales. This could also mean the PS3 would no longer be the cheapest BD player, taking away much of its appeal.

Either way I do not think MS is currently too worried about BD..for now ;)


RE: Denial...
By phattyboombatty on 4/2/2008 5:42:19 PM , Rating: 1
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You forget that the 360 is incapable of outputting true-hd and dts-ma.

I think its safe to assume that if a future revision of the 360 included a Blu-Ray drive, it would also include any necessary updates to implement the full potential of Blu-Ray.


RE: Denial...
By omnicronx on 4/2/2008 6:11:21 PM , Rating: 2
Not if its an addon. I very much doubt we will ever see a Xbox360 with an internal Blu-ray player. The reason being.. common sense, why would Microsoft want to tell its 15+ million previous customers that they are shit out of luck? Thats a lot of potential buyers.

As an internal version, it would only market to new customers, it would cost them more money, and it probably will not help sell 360s.

As an external version you now have all those people who already bought a 360, plus some new customers, and margins on the device itself will be much higher than the 'we lose money on every sale' Xbox 360 ;).


RE: Denial...
By phattyboombatty on 4/2/2008 6:23:48 PM , Rating: 2
I disagree. I think you have it backwards. If Microsoft ever goes Blu-Ray, it would be internal only. The Add-On made sense for the HDDVD drive because 1) the drive was too expensive to incorporate into the 360; 2) the drive was much cheaper than any other HDDVD players at the time and 3)Microsoft was not willing to take the risk of incorporating an HDDVD into the 360 when there was a possibility of it becoming obsolete. None of those factors apply today.

First, by the time Microsoft incorporates Blu-Ray (if they do) stand alone players will likely be the same cost as an Add-On drive (so why would anyone buy the Add-On drive when they could just buy the stand-alone?).

Second, there's no risk involved with choosing Blu-Ray, because there is no longer a format war. Third, with the production cost of the 360 dropping, Microsoft would not take as much of a hit by including a Blu-Ray drive internally.

Finally, I don't think anyone has a right to complain that their 360 purchased in 2006 has less features than a 360 available in 2009. Microsoft isn't telling early-adopters "you're shit out of luck" its simply giving new purchasers additional features. 360 games will always still be produced in a DVD format, so its not like the old 360's will be obsolete. My 360 doesn't have an HDMI output, and I'm not pissed that new 360's have this additional feature.


RE: Denial...
By daftrok on 4/2/2008 6:32:14 PM , Rating: 1
Yes that's true but this is a major thing. This isn't like HDMI out or quieter drives, this is a major feature. This would HAVE to be external because you are alienating your 17 million consumers. The whole point for Xbox 360 not having HD format was to give people a choice no matter what happens.

My prediction is that they will wait until they can afford to make a $99 Blu-ray add-on. Most consumers won't care about Dolby-TrueHD or DTS master audio but so long as the picture looks as good as any other Blu-ray player and has surround sound (generally).

Once they can sell a $99 dollar add-on, they will bring the price down to 199/299/399. That way adding 100 dollars to that will just be 299/399/499, direct competition with the PS3.

This will most likely occur during the holiday season, and to compete against this the PS3 will probably get another 100 dollar price cut to 299/399. This is the most likely scenario IF 360 chooses to make a Blu ray add-on.


RE: Denial...
By phattyboombatty on 4/2/2008 6:46:00 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
This would HAVE to be external

In that case, the DigiTimes' sources at Lite-On are lying because they are claiming that they are designing internal Blu-Ray drives for the 360.

You make some good points, but I am still failing to understand the "alienating" position. Microsoft isn't taking anything away from current owners by offering something additional to new owners.

Also, Microsoft won't be giving away the Blu-Ray drives for free. I fully expect a price premium for the Blu-Ray 360s (like a $399 Blu Xbox 360), but it will still be a choice, because the cheaper non-Blu-ray 360 will be available for those that care about it (or can't afford it).


RE: Denial...
By daftrok on 4/2/2008 8:09:38 PM , Rating: 2
Alienating in the sense that people with Blu ray less 360s can't become Blu ray enabled without replacing their console. Having an add-on is fair for everyone.


RE: Denial...
By robinthakur on 4/3/2008 6:54:50 AM , Rating: 2
Well as a 360 owner I expect I will have to replace my console at some point during its lifetime anyway, so why not buy one with a blu-ray drive? Then its nearly as good as a PS3 (on the playback front). If they do make it internal, please PLEASE PLEASE make the drive quieter. The 360 drive is so loud i rarely switch the machine on any more. Plus I figure switching it on less makes it less likely to fail...I have all three consoles though, so I don't really need to play it, but some don't have a choice. I am going to buy a new Xbox 360 when they release the new version with shrunk GPU die and I know the RROD issue will probably have been fixed by then too plus I'll get HDMI and possibly BD playback! What's not to like eh? Eh??


RE: Denial...
By ArneBjarne on 4/2/2008 6:17:54 PM , Rating: 2
Normally yes, but we are talking about the people that:

1. implemented Dolby TrueHD decoding for the 360, yet didn't see the use of actually being able to send the PCM result out of the box. (or any other PCM signal with more than 2 channels, e.g. anything realtime mixed, which includes all in-game audio with more than 2 channels).

2. chose NOT to include the necessary updates in the revision that added HDMI.


RE: Denial...
By Alpha4 on 4/2/2008 6:31:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
...an addon could force Sony and co to lower their entry level prices in fear letting MS take away from its sales. This could also mean the PS3 would no longer be the cheapest BD player, taking away much of its appeal.

I think you're forgetting that, as with HD-DVD, the cost of the Blu-Ray add-on would likely bring the Xbox 360's price above PS3's $399 base price. Unless, that is, the external drive could be marketed as a sub $100 component.


RE: Denial...
By epsilonparadox on 4/2/2008 6:01:00 PM , Rating: 2
What does MS have to do with Cable Cards? You want Cable Card tuners released for anything other than in TVs and Tivos then contact Cable Labs and tell them to quit whining about piracy and release the damn things to consumers. MS has no control over that. Blu-ray isn't killing the 360. If you're family buys the PS3 for movie playback then you justified the reason. Game studios who hear that lose confident of the PS3 as a viable platform and the best games will go to the 360 and Wii. You want a future proof Blu-ray player, get a PS3. You want a gaming platform, get a 360.


RE: Denial...
By robinthakur on 4/3/2008 8:11:46 AM , Rating: 2
Dont be silly, installed user base whether it was bought for movie playback not primarily is what these comapnies want. Look at the Halo effect of...ummm...Halo 3 where most console owners bought the game regardless of its comparative rubbishness. Even those people who just bought the console to deafen themselves and heat rooms with.


RE: Denial...
By Oroka on 4/3/2008 10:34:15 AM , Rating: 2
And that is the genius behind the PS3 and BD-DVD. I dont remember scores of people running out to buy PS2s to play thier DVD with. PS3s are the best console on the market atm (IMO), and the best High Definition player on the market too. That is nearly double the market for the PS3. I proably wouldnt have bought a PS3 for another year or so if it wasnt a good BD0DVD player. I havent played a game on my PS3 in proably a month, but I watch BD-DVDs every few days. If people are telling non gamers to get a PS3... Sony must have done something right.

As for M$ denying a BD-DVD player for the 360... IMO they proably wont, but you will see one in next years XBOX 720... or whatever the 360s replacement is. But by then M$ will have missed the boat and everyone AND thier father-in-laws will own a PS3.


RE: Denial...
By stepone on 4/3/2008 7:20:05 AM , Rating: 2
Why does it have to be an either/or proposition?

I believe MS will release both an external Blu ray drive (to keep existing customers happy with a cheap upgrade path) & a new hardware revision with the 65nm GPU reduction & internal Blu ray drive (for movies only with games still on DVD).

I believe this is the most logical choice & i'd expect to see something 1-2 months before xmas '08.


RE: Denial...
By crystal clear on 4/3/2008 7:50:58 AM , Rating: 2
Ever considered this eventuality-

Sony, as a main global producer of BD-ROM pick-up heads, may decide to combat the market competition by selectively reducing the supply of key BD-ROM components to OEM makers partnering with Microsoft on the new Xbox 360 drives.

Also raising their prices (BD-ROM) for these components going to Xbox,making Xbox more expesensive than PS3.


RE: Denial...
By Oroka on 4/3/2008 10:41:27 AM , Rating: 2
Sony would be stuipd to do that. Every BD-ROM sold, Sony gets royalties. Every BD-DVD sold, sony gets royalties. Sony would make money off of every BD-DVD XBOX (internal or add-on), and every BD-DVD a XBOX owner buys for it. The PS3 is already catching the XBOX in price, and people are buying PS3 solely as BD-DVD players... sony dosent need to be cutting suppliers off to sell a few more PS3s. Sony was willing to jepordize the PS3s future by adding Blu-Ray to the PS3, it paid off, maybe even won the format war, and Sony is raking in the $ from it. They dont need to play dirty, ATM they are outselling the Xbox.


RE: Denial...
By Hiawa23 on 4/3/2008 11:07:02 AM , Rating: 2
Everytime one of these discussions come out someone always pulls out the 360 doesn't outout true HD sound, which to most gamers who bought the 360 to play games donot even have access to, & I have both the PS3 & 360, & watch Blu Ray movies & HD DVD movies on both on my standard 5.1 DTS HTS & they saound good enough for me. I just think all that extra stuff that many claim is so needed is only needed by them & not the masses, atleast it aint for me. I wouldn't buy another 360 for Blu ray cause like I said I have a PS3, but it would be in MS best interests to atleast offer it in future revisions, but we know this will not affect games still being made on DVD 9, so I just don't see this as as big of a deal for the console as many do as MS clearly is pushing for digital downloads. I see Blu ray being an integral part of the next Xbox, not the 360.


Confirmation
By phattyboombatty on 4/2/2008 4:38:38 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft could be holding back confirmation of a device for a number of reasons.

You missed the main reason: people would stop buying the current 360's and wait for the Blu-Ray equipped version.

Microsoft skillfully dodged the rumors without having to lie. Notice that Microsoft says that Lite-On is not manufacturing Blu-Ray drives for Xbox360. This is technically correct, even if the rumors are true, because the manufacturing would not begin until the second half of 2008.




RE: Confirmation
By jordanclock on 4/2/2008 5:04:46 PM , Rating: 2
Not really. As the article clearly states:
quote:
A report from Taiwan’s DigiTimes stated that Lite-On is working on such a Blu-ray Disc accessory for the Microsoft console.
(Emphasis mine)

It would be an accessory. Like the HD-DVD drive, it would plug into the Xbox 360 and not be a part of the production.

Microsoft's real reason to hold back on such an announcement would be a matter of waiting and seeing how Lite-On's device shapes up.

It is a skillful dodge, but it has nothing to do with tricking people into buying models that will be obsolete soon. It's a matter of whether or not to endorse someone else's peripheral for such a high profile feature.


RE: Confirmation
By phattyboombatty on 4/2/2008 5:10:18 PM , Rating: 2
DailyTech incorrectly reported on the DigiTimes story. I'm not sure why Marcus keeps referring to Lite-On's drive as an accessory or add-on, but the original DigiTimes stories are quite clear that Lite-On is producing internal BD-ROM drives.


RE: Confirmation
By Marcus Yam on 4/3/2008 4:42:52 AM , Rating: 2
The report states drives, though does not explicitly internal or external. It does reference a new Xbox 360 model, though, so I understand how that would point it being an internal model.

It would be foolish to believe that should Microsoft release a Blu-ray equipped Xbox 360, that it wouldn't also give owners of DVD consoles an add-on option as a path to Blu-ray Disc support.

If there one day will be an Xbox 360 with Blu-ray Disc built-in, you can count on Microsoft to have an accessory for its current user base.


RE: Confirmation
By phattyboombatty on 4/3/2008 10:11:15 AM , Rating: 2
From the 4/1/08 DigiTimes article:
quote:
Lite-On IT is developing built-in Blu-ray Disc-(BD) ROM drives for the Microsoft Xbox 360 game console, according to industry sources.

That's about as explicit as it gets.

Further proof is contained in the 4/2/08 DigiTimes article:
quote:
If, as previously reported, Microsoft adopts built-in Blu-ray Disc (BD)-ROM drives for a new version of its Xbox 360 . . .

quote:
It is reported that Microsoft plans to offer a new Xbox 360 hardware revision equipped with a BD-ROM drive to compete with Sony's PlayStation 3.


RE: Confirmation
By Oregonian2 on 4/2/2008 5:42:42 PM , Rating: 2
It's also a "who cares" sort of thing. With HD "accessories" they sold all of 300,000 or so of them. They sold about 20 Million XBOX 360's, meaning only 1.5% of the boxes had an HD drive. So whether or not it has a blu-ray one instead doesn't seem like a biggie one way or the other.


RE: Confirmation
By phattyboombatty on 4/2/2008 5:46:07 PM , Rating: 2
If there's ever a Blu-Ray drive available for the 360, it most definitely won't be as an Add-On, it would be internal.


RE: Confirmation
By omnicronx on 4/2/2008 6:19:25 PM , Rating: 2
Should i keep posting one liners saying the same thing without point or proofs?

*shakes magic eight ball*

*All signs point to NO!*


RE: Confirmation
By phattyboombatty on 4/2/2008 6:28:15 PM , Rating: 2
See my post above for my reasons for this statement. Plus, this was an opinion about a future event, so I'm not sure how you can prove such an opinion.


RE: Confirmation
By Reclaimer77 on 4/2/2008 5:54:19 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It's also a "who cares" sort of thing. With HD "accessories" they sold all of 300,000 or so of them. They sold about 20 Million XBOX 360's, meaning only 1.5% of the boxes had an HD drive. So whether or not it has a blu-ray one instead doesn't seem like a biggie one way or the other.


Finally someone else that gets it. People buy the X-box because its a great GAME console. While on the other hand, theres still barely a handful of great games available on the 360. Sony has always tried to bludgeon the consumer into the 360 via Blu-Ray. Not great gaming.


RE: Confirmation
By phattyboombatty on 4/2/2008 5:57:48 PM , Rating: 3
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While on the other hand, theres still barely a handful of great games available on the 360 .

Did you mean to say PS3?


RE: Confirmation
By Reclaimer77 on 4/2/08, Rating: 0
RE: Confirmation
By robinthakur on 4/3/2008 8:16:11 AM , Rating: 2
Very freudian...The truth comes out somehow!


RE: Confirmation
By aeroxander on 4/2/2008 9:36:13 PM , Rating: 2
I really wish people would stop saying that if people want a gaming console they buy a 360 and if they want a blu-ray player they get a ps3.

Each system has its games, sure I'd love to play gears of war, halo 3 and bioshock but thats it, but I also love rachet and clank, warhawk, gran turismo, mgs4
everything else i can get on both systems so doesn't matter. I don't want to see any comments that they're usually better on the 360 if they're on both system. Any of the games that are worth buying that are multi platform look great on each.

I mean each system has great games but xbox 360 certainly isn't the choice system for gamers.

I could very easily say if you want a game system that has a 30% chance of dying get a 360


RE: Confirmation
By crazyblackman on 4/2/08, Rating: 0
RE: Confirmation
By Hiawa23 on 4/3/2008 11:24:23 AM , Rating: 2
This is a standard 360 consumer talking point. They need to honestly admit that the ONLY reason people buy xbox360's is to play on xboxlive's "pay to play" online service. There is really NO other credible reason at this juncture, to buy this lesser quality console.

I am a gamer. I pull no punches, I pick no sides, I go with who makes the games or has the services I like, & LIVE costs me about $4.16/month but I would rather pay $49.99 per year, which is less the cost of a game then what Sony offers for free, & I also have a PS3, so this fanboy stuff I don't get into.

You state the 360 is a lesser console, not sure I agree with that cause if we are looking at the games, graphics, & stuff, the 360 is close to the PS3 in terms of power.

Not saying it is more powerful cause this is determined by what the devs do with the hardware moreso than specs, but back to what you were saying about a lesser console, which is funny cause the PS1, & Ps2 were the lesser consoles last gen & previous yet they did very well.

Point I am trying to make is I am glad Sony included BR into the PS3 but I buy consoles to play games, & I have a shelf full of 360 games & barely 3-4 for the PS3. The lesser console to me has been the overhyped PS3 with free online which I really don't care too much for, & a nonvibrating controller that Sony said we did not want or was last gen, now it's not once the lawsuit was settled.

Sony made the PS3 out to be the 360 killer before it released & it has been nothing at all even close to that. I like both consoles for what they are, & i leave the fanboy stuff to the fanboys.


RE: Confirmation
By crazyblackman on 4/3/2008 1:04:09 PM , Rating: 1
Well said. I can totally respect that. But I must admit to you sir, that I "obviously" am a big fan of the PS3. The truth is that I am a big fan of "quality hardware". Period.

quote:
Not saying it is more powerful cause this is determined by what the devs do with the hardware moreso than specs


This is what will hold us multiplatform gamers all back. The 360 hardware cannot even begin to compare to what the PS3 can do. Devs making multiplatform games on the 360 hardware first will never push the PS3 to it's full intended potential. Thankfully, they will be starting to reverse this trend with the new Dev kits from Sony.

I think Sony has a bigger entertainment goal to accomplish with their more capable console. For my hard earned money, that's what it's all about. Call me a fanboy. I can handle it. I think you should be a fan of any expandable product that you spend upwards of $400 on nowadays. Can't you agree with that at least? Or are you so rich that you just throw money at Microsoft and don't ever expect them to give you the same quality entertainment experience as their forward thinking competitors.


RE: Confirmation
By Reclaimer77 on 4/3/2008 4:55:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is a standard 360 consumer talking point. They need to honestly admit that the ONLY reason people buy xbox360's is to play on xboxlive's "pay to play" online service. There is really NO other credible reason at this juncture, to buy this lesser quality console. The online service is its only redeeming feature. Everything else about it, makes it more expensive than a PS3 investment and is simply not worth the trouble. You get sooo much more quality entertainment with a PS3. But the PS3 doesn't have xbox live.


Biased on wrong on so many levels. Your not a Crazyblackman, you are just being ignorant. Some of the most replayable and compelling games of ALL TIME are still played on inferior consoles. You seem to think that a consoles hardware power = better gaming. Any gamer will tell you thats flat out wrong. But your also wrong in saying the X-box is getting blown away hardware wise by the PS3.

Whats the biggest selling point of the PS3 ? Blu-Ray. Not its games, and not its online service. Yes, X-box Live is a great service, but to say the " ONLY " reason to get an X-box is to use the online service is plain ignorance, again. Most of the best PS3 titles are NOT native to the platform. The PS3 easily has the weakest lineup of actual GAMES of all 3 current consoles. Its not even a debate at this point.

Why pay for online games when you have already paid for the service ? More flawed thinking. Thats like me whining why did I have to pay to mail order PC parts when I already pay for Internet access. Uhh DUH !??

Why don't YOU honestly admit the only reason you bought a PS3 is because its a Blu-Ray player first, and game console second.


RE: Confirmation
By crazyblackman on 4/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Confirmation
By Reclaimer77 on 4/3/2008 5:19:05 PM , Rating: 2
The man who told us to " wake the F$##@ up " and who compared a PS3 to champagne in a limo with hot women etc etc is telling me to proof read ??

You just made my day man. Thank you.


RE: Confirmation
By crazyblackman on 4/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Confirmation
By RamarC on 4/2/2008 9:46:53 PM , Rating: 2
i read another article that says MS' cost would jump from $20 to $100 per drive. if so, it would be an expensive add-on and make the 360 much more expensive than a ps3.

also read another article that the street price for blu-ray players has jumped $30-$60 since january. blu-ray won't be cheap for quite a while.


Motives
By crystal clear on 4/3/2008 5:45:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
While the constant rumors of a Blu-ray Disc drive for Xbox 360 makes it seem almost inevitable, Microsoft could be holding back confirmation of a device for a number of reasons.


Blu-ray may be the most important thing for Marcus Yam & may be even siliently promoting it-who knows what the truth is ?

Blu-ray related articles are consistantly & regularly posted on the site by him,to such an extent that they appear to be more promotional than news worthy.

Instead of comments being graded "Worth Reading" | "Not Worth Reading" his articles should be graded.

Blu-ray is NOT the most important thing/item for buyers,or the determining/deciding factor in their purchases.

In one of his previous articles he says-

but surprisingly it is their oldest current product that is leading the way. The PlayStation 2 sold a surprising 351,800, while the PlayStation 3 sold 280,800.



That brought about a response from me,quoted below-

They want a game console not a B.R. player

I think Sony should do some research

why PS2 outsells the PS3 ?

PS2 has NO Blu-ray !


Back to the article-

Quite rightly now M.S. responds with this

As we have stated, games are what are driving consumers to purchase game consoles and we remain focused on providing the largest library of blockbuster game available.”


So like I stated above -

Blu-ray is NOT the most important thing/item for buyers or the determining/deciding factor in their purchases.

Rather it is games !

Hey Marcus the format wars are over-it was decided not by the buyers/consumers but by Sony/Toshiba in boardroom deals of barter trade !.

Then why is it so important if Xbox/M.S. goes Blu ray or not-

Xbox buyers buy a console for playing games not for Blu ray.

Are you worried that Blu ray will be totally skipped for another cheaper & equally better method namely "downloads" or users are quite happy with DVD & in no hurry to switch to blu ray, that you still need to promote Blu-ray.

Mainstream buyers are slow adopters to technology or in this case Formats.

Is it "fear" that B.R. will fail against downloads & DVD ?

(that B.R. promoters are in such a big hurry that M.S. adopt Blu ray)

The Microsoft representative added, “For our customers who want a premium movie experience we offer the largest library of on-demand HD content available and the ability to play back DVDs in high definition.“



This time only buyers will decide the outcome-no more of those boardroom deals or trade offs.




RE: Motives
By crazyblackman on 4/3/2008 1:22:26 PM , Rating: 1
"I think Sony should do some research why PS2 outsells the PS3? PS2 has NO Blu-ray" !

Dude. Go stand in the corner.
The reason the ps2 outsold the ps3 was the friggin price.
Adults(unlike yourself) are buying the Ps3 for it's bluray/gaming capabilities. Adults are buying the ps2's for their children. Didn't you get one very recently for your 13th birthday?
A ps2 that is. Jeeeesh...


RE: Motives
By crystal clear on 4/3/2008 3:31:30 PM , Rating: 2
You dont have to be insulting whilst responding !

I am RICH enough to buy not only a PS2 or 3 but to BUY the store itself & pay salaries for kids like you to clean up the store.

I am old enough to be a father & am a father of 2 (13 yr olds).

I am educated enough to have 2 degrees from a leading university,you possibly will NOT have the money to pay for.

I dont work for money rather the money works for me !

"Not many men have both good fortune and good sense."
That me !

No point giving an educaed/mature response to hot heads like you...
BYE !

Go find somebody else to pick a fight & dont waste my time.


RE: Motives
By crazyblackman on 4/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Motives
By Reclaimer77 on 4/3/2008 5:00:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Dude. Go stand in the corner.
The reason the ps2 outsold the ps3 was the friggin price.
Adults(unlike yourself) are buying the Ps3 for it's bluray/gaming capabilities. Adults are buying the ps2's for their children. Didn't you get one very recently for your 13th birthday?
A ps2 that is. Jeeeesh...


LOL and how could you know this ?? I think " adults " are smart enough that if they were going to flood the stores buying consoles for their children, they would buy a WII. You know, that console that flies off the shelf as soon as its delivered while stacks of PS3's collect dust ? And don't claim that price is the only reason.

I'll tell you why PS2's outsell PS3's, and its friggin obvious, the PS2 still to this day has a totally AWESOME selection of games. Most of the PS2 games kick the crap out of anything thats available for the PS3.

Get a clue man. Being a fanboi isn't a crime, but spouting off things you have no proof of and twisting things to make your point is lame.


RE: Motives
By crazyblackman on 4/3/08, Rating: 0
Curious...
By amanojaku on 4/2/2008 4:42:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
“Lite-On is not manufacturing Blu-ray drives for Xbox 360. As we have stated, games are what are driving consumers to purchase game consoles and we remain focused on providing the largest library of blockbuster game available.”


It may not be a requirement now but one day the DVD won't be big enough to hold our games, like the CD or any other archaic media. I see three reasons for the response:

1) There is no drive, which could be the result of low necessity or MS sticking it to Sony.
2) There will be a drive, but it's the redheaded stepchild compared to digital downloads.
3) There will be a drive, but Lite-On isn't making it.

End result: who cares? The XBox will always have a medium to work from, so what does it matter if you can't play Blu-Ray? If you were that hard up for it you probably already have a stand-alone player or PS3.




RE: Curious...
By cooldude 345 on 4/2/2008 7:58:56 PM , Rating: 2
just a point to consider by the time dvd is too small the 360 will probably be replaced


Not good enough.
By RjBass on 4/2/2008 11:40:15 PM , Rating: 2
So finally, after putting it off for 4 months, I pulled the 360 out of the basement and brought it upstairs to my living room and plugged it into the home theater system. After logging into XBox Live and purchasing 500 credits, I began my search for an HD movie that I hadn't seen but wanted to. Guess what, I found nothing interesting.

While I really like where Microsoft is going with their online content, they really need to get down to business with getting more content. Their movie selection sucks.

On the television side, they did have some interesting stuff, but not nearly enough to really worth it.

Looking at what I saw, I would have to say that Microsoft really needs to get to work with getting some more movie and tv content, or they need to adopt blu ray ASAP.




Waiting
By Frallan on 4/3/2008 5:33:19 AM , Rating: 2
Well until they do release a X-Box with a silent DVD-drive (hopfully the Blue-ray DVD) Ill hold off. I really want 1 but as long as my GF cant sleep in same room as the X-Box is in I wont buy it.




Sony in a Xbox ?
By crystal clear on 4/3/2008 8:05:44 AM , Rating: 2
Can M.S. afford to have Sony in its Xbox .....

"Your worst enemy is always a man of your own trade."

Ever considered this eventuality-

Sony, as a main global producer of BD-ROM pick-up heads, may decide to combat the market competition by selectively reducing the supply of key BD-ROM components to OEM makers partnering with Microsoft on the new Xbox 360 drives.

Also raising their prices (BD-ROM) for these components going to Xbox,making Xbox more expesensive than PS3.




By DingieM on 4/3/2008 4:20:42 AM , Rating: 2
Of course this is not true.
I applaud you for speaking for yourself.
Probably you see only yourself standing and don't know the heck whats happening in the world.
And it is more probably that you are having sex with your PS3.

YOU need to wake up obviously.

I've been investigating the games offering on the PS3 and, franckly, I'm not impressed, not at all!
And by the way, the PS3 is only a MEDIOCRE blu-ray player.
Why? VERY SIMPLE, it has no 6+ discrete analogue audio output, which guarantees maximum surround sound fidelity for kick-ass receivers as old as 10 years.
Stand-alone players are and will be always superior.
And even my PC has 6 analogue audio jacks which I can connect to my receiver. So you can expect that HTPC's will surpass the usability/functionality/quality of the PS3 with a long shot!


By robinthakur on 4/3/2008 8:24:46 AM , Rating: 2
You're really stupid. Games on the PS3 are roughly at parity with the 360 on games where developers know both consoles (e.g. Capcom/DMC4) Dolby True HD et al are outputted over HDMI as a bit stream as the new standard. It doesn't make the PS3 a mediocre player, it just means that you don't understand how to make the most of it. Your receiver should support HDMI for it to work. That's one of the only arguments for people with outdated amps/decoders to buy a standlone so they get analogue.

And another thing...try getting your HTPC to play BD as seemlessly as the PS3, and then when you fail, come back here and confirm to us that you're an ignorant peasant as we already suppose.


By crazyblackman on 4/3/2008 12:38:08 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
And it is more probably that you are having sex with your PS3.


Dingleberry, Dingleberry, Dingleberry. Ok. Yeah. I admit it. One of the other things that a PS3 has over the 360 is an internet browser. And...yeah, ok, so maybe I downloaded one or two mpegs, wmvs,or divx porn clips. And maybe... when no one was looking...I'll just stop there. You still can't prove that I had sex with my PS3. Though...I do consider my PS3 to be somewhat sexy compared to your ugly looking noisy 360.

Ya see? You just proved one more useful thing that ya just can't do with that there clunky 360 you got sitting in the entertainment center making lawn mower noises. Ya can't go on the net with the 360 to look at or download porn. Unless they have that on "xboxlive" too.

Thanks dude for helping me prove my point about the PS3's many capabilities.

And Dingleberry...please don't be so angry. Make an appointment with your therapist's office. Tell em it's about the 360 again. They will understand.


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