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Microsoft really wants folks to trade in their MacBook Airs

It looks as though Microsoft isn’t only being generous today when its comes to its OneDrive cloud storage service; the company also announced today that it will give [up to] $650 of store credit to Apple customers that trade in a working MacBook Air for a Surface Pro 3 at a Microsoft retail store.
Microsoft, however, doesn’t specify which MacBook Air models are included in the promotion or what is required to get the maximum store credit amount of $650. The terms and conditions, however, do state:
To be eligible for trade-in, device must power on to be considered working. Water-damaged devices and devices with cracked screens are not considered working devices for purposes of this offer. Trade-in value may vary. Condition, documentation and accessories may affect value Customer is responsible for removing any data from trade-in product before providing the product for evaluation.
During its official unveil, Microsoft spent a lot time comparing the Surface Pro 3 to the MacBook Air, so it’s nice to see the company putting its money where its mouth is.

The Surface Pro 3 starts at $799 and in its base configuration comes equipped with a 12.5” (2160x1440) display, Core i3 processor, 4GB of RAM, and a 64GB SSD.

Sources: Microsoft, ZDNet

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By mik123 on 6/23/2014 3:37:47 PM , Rating: 1
I can easily sell a working MBA on craigslist or ebay for $650.
Why would I bother with MS store credit?

By Flunk on 6/23/2014 3:47:50 PM , Rating: 1
eBay final value fees, the amount of effort required to sell it.

By retrospooty on 6/23/2014 3:49:36 PM , Rating: 2
And possibly some schmuck that might buy it and not know how to work it and then complain even if its a perfectly working unit.

By Samus on 6/23/2014 7:00:24 PM , Rating: 2
MS probably wont care if its stolen, either. I've seen these trade-in things, they're stupidly disorganized. Sometimes they don't even check to see if the thing works.

By Manch on 6/23/2014 3:48:29 PM , Rating: 1
as the title trade in for the Surface Pro 3....

FFS! read the article man!!!!!

By mik123 on 6/23/14, Rating: 0
By inighthawki on 6/23/2014 5:44:53 PM , Rating: 2
This is clearly for people who want a Surface Pro 3. Microsoft is giving them a super simple method of getting credit towards the Pro 3 without the hassle of selling their device online first.

By retrospooty on 6/23/2014 5:56:20 PM , Rating: 3
I am pretty sure he was sarcastically answering your question.

Q - "Why would I bother with MS store credit?"
A - "to trade in for the Surface Pro 3"

If you were planning to buy a Surface Pro3 and had an MBA, you gould get $650 credit for it and avoid the hastle of selling it.

By mik123 on 6/23/2014 6:41:41 PM , Rating: 1
Ok, my bad.

But still, $650 cash is not the same as $650 store credit, especially if we're talking about MS store.

And I wouldn't say there's much hassle in posting an ad on Craigslist, and going to the nearest Starbucks to pick up the cash. I've done it a dozen times in the last 5 years.

By retrospooty on 6/23/2014 7:31:14 PM , Rating: 2
But if you were already planning to buy a Surface Pro 3, it is alot easier than dealing with craiglist and the potential skeezes that dwell there.

By aliasfox on 6/24/2014 10:39:31 AM , Rating: 2
The real value of this isn't the (up to) $650 they're offering, it's the convenience - they'll probably buy your IB or Haswell MBA for $650, sell it to a recycler/reseller for $500, who the lists it on ebay for $700 - so the actual cost to MS is likely the ~$150 difference between buying your MB and selling it wholesale. They probably figure this promotion will drive greater sales than a $150 discount, which would likely only entice people who were already sitting on the fence.

By Manch on 6/24/2014 5:43:21 PM , Rating: 2
thank god somebody got it! I was just busting his balls!

By Argon18 on 6/24/14, Rating: 0
By Manch on 6/23/2014 3:49:54 PM , Rating: 2
By retrospooty on 6/23/2014 3:33:15 PM , Rating: 1
Really nice. It is definitely a nice product. The extra 2 inches helps alot. Also, the 3:2 aspect ratios is a nice change from 16:9 crap we have been forced to endure for the past 5 years.

By inighthawki on 6/23/2014 3:36:10 PM , Rating: 2
I'm personally a fan of 16:10 aspect ratios. I feel they provide a decent amount of realestate for the size while retaining many of the benefits of widescreen displays.

By retrospooty on 6/23/2014 3:57:20 PM , Rating: 2
I am happy anywhere between 3:2 and 16:10... 4:3 is just not enough width and 16:9 is not enough height.

By amanojaku on 6/23/2014 5:03:55 PM , Rating: 2
I see people arguing over this all the time...

The human field of vision is wider than it is tall, so a 16:9 or 16:10 would seem to be the best ratio.

However, peripheral vision isn't useful for sight and is most beneficial for drawing our attention to things. In other words, our useful field of vision is mostly a circle. That means 3:2 would be better.

Except, it really depends on how you use your display. For video I prefer a 16:9. For pictures and text I prefer a vertically-oriented 3:2. But for complex GUIs or multiple windows I prefer 16:9.

Since a 16:9 is just a 3:2 with a little bit extra (love handles?) I'd prefer that. People who complain about lack of height can just get a taller display with more resolution. The only displays that are limited in vertical resolution are 1080p displays, a problem that will be remedied with 4K or by using a monitor instead of a TV.

Not that it really matters. Everyone has a preference, and no one is right or wrong. Buy the device with the proportions you want. Same logic as the Android vs. iOS vs. Windows Phone debate.

By inighthawki on 6/23/2014 5:41:43 PM , Rating: 2
Since a 16:9 is just a 3:2 with a little bit extra (love handles?) I'd prefer that

But it's not that simple. As you widen the aspect ratio, the visible surface area decreases. The maximum visible surface area is on a perfect square, hence why many people prefer fullscreen style aspect ratios. For comparison, the amount of surface area, in square inches, per aspect ratio of a 21" monitor:
16:9 - 18.3 x 10.3 == 188.5
4:3 - 16.8 x 12.6 == 211.68
5:4 - 16.4 x 13.1 == 264.04
The difference is an extra 12% of surface area (which will roughly translate to an equal percent of additional pixels), or 40% for going to 5:4.

Widescreen of course has its benefits. As you mention, it works well for multiple windows. Stacking windows side by side, such as browsers, inherently benefit from the taller aspect ratio useful for text, while maintaining the ability to multitask. If you have too wide of an aspect ratio though, you're just removing the amount you can do before you need to scroll.

By TakinYourPoints on 6/23/2014 9:25:08 PM , Rating: 3
Widescreen only works with very large displays. 27" 1440p and up for computer monitors. Taller landscape configurations work better the smaller you go. This is why 16:10 works so well and why its such a shame that 16:9 dominates everything 24" and below. 16:10 allows for more height in applications and web pages.

Width is even less important once you're below 12", which is why 4:3 and 3:2 work even better at these sizes. 16:9 is very impractical in small displays given how much information it cuts off. I'm really glad Microsoft went with something logical and practical instead of something marketing driven like they did with the prior Surface models.

By Manch on 6/23/2014 3:58:38 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't seen the Pro 3 in person yet. I hope they show up at the stores here soon. I have a Pro 1 (got it during one of there $500 sales) with the type cover 2. I thought about the power cover but even at 5-6 hours of battery life it more than suffices for me. I'm just not far away from a cord for that long. I use it as my everyday laptop & tablet. Though this new one is very very very tempting, I think I may wait till the next version of this one as I've only had mine for about 6 months now. If Pro 4 is just a revision of this tablet like 2 was of 1 I think it will be then that I upgrade. Still, once I get my hands on this one to try it out, somebody may be getting a nice hand me down while I get me this.

By kkwst2 on 6/23/2014 4:33:04 PM , Rating: 2
I did the same and love my Pro 1. I use a Thinkpad bluetooth keyboard rather than the Type cover and I highly recommend it, especially if you're a previous Thinkpad snob like I was.

I agree that I will likely wait for Pro 3 firesale after Pro4 launch. Hoping Pro 3 sells well enough that Pro 4 exists. Either way I guess a Pro 3 firesale is likely eventually.

At $500, the Pro was a no-brainer. But the 128 GB is marginal. If I were getting the Pro 3, I would want at least 256. Their pricing scheme between models is crazy given how cheap SSD's are now.

By Manch on 6/24/2014 6:05:28 PM , Rating: 2
i do wonder thaty after all the usual patching etc how much before i have to do a clean install to get the useable space back on this. havent had to so far. My DV8Pro is only 32GB, didnt take long to become problematic

By Wolfpup on 6/23/2014 4:10:14 PM , Rating: 2
I actually have a Macbook Air that's almost completely unused. It's a Sandy Bridge model, so I assume I wouldn't get the full $650 for it.

I actually WOULD user and like a Surface Pro 3...BUT I like to keep at least one Macintosh around/up to date for my job, sooooo oh well, guess I keep my unused Air LOL

RE: Hmm...
By aliasfox on 6/24/2014 10:36:44 AM , Rating: 2
I would be surprised if you got $650 from MS, but it looks like the going price on CL (at least here in NYC) is >$500 for a 2011 MBA, so you'd likely get ~$500 from MS.

By SDBud on 6/24/2014 2:41:55 AM , Rating: 2

ROTS 'o RUCK with THAT, MS...

Who wants to trade down?
By lawrance on 6/23/14, Rating: -1
RE: Who wants to trade down?
By retrospooty on 6/23/2014 4:00:08 PM , Rating: 5
I agree not alot of Mac users will take the offer, but not because Surface Pro3 isn't great. It's because they are already Mac fans. If they wanted to get a Windows machine, they wouldn't have gotten a Mac. As far as comparing the two, you would be surprised how nice it is. Quite a nice upgrade from MBA, not a downgrade.

RE: Who wants to trade down?
By Manch on 6/23/2014 4:02:03 PM , Rating: 1
Maybe thats exactly why they are doing it. Not many sheeple will part ways with their Macs. Not going to cost MS much. I think they should expand the offer to include comparable laptop hybrids

RE: Who wants to trade down?
By inighthawki on 6/23/2014 6:28:17 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure how true that is. I know a lot of people who bought macbooks just because they are some of the best laptops (hardware) on the market, and not because they are fans of OSX or anything. In fact many buy them and immediately install Windows on it.

Truthfully if it weren't for the keyboard (can't get used to apple/command/control) and some of the low quality windows drivers provided by Apple, I would've also gotten a MacBook, since there are relatively few, if any, windows laptops that can top it in quality.

If Microsoft made a surface laptop, I would've been all over it. Especially if it shared the same build quality as the surface tablets. The magnesium casing is fantastic - lightweight and extremely durable, while maintaining the high quality feel of metal.

RE: Who wants to trade down?
By retrospooty on 6/23/2014 6:35:58 PM , Rating: 2
IT depends on what you are looking for really. They arent in the same bucket so to speak... One is a convertible tablet/laptop and one is a conventional laptop. As for my comment, I was just re-trolling the obvious trollish OP comment.

RE: Who wants to trade down?
By Sivar on 6/23/2014 5:40:26 PM , Rating: 4
Adding the dollar-sign (Micro$oft) suggests objective data has no affect on the author's opinion, but just the same:

An honest look at the Surface Pro 3 vs. any other tablet (except Panasonic's expensive Toughpads) show it is a vastly superior device.
Those familiar with iOS and not Windows, or those that do no real work on tablets, may prefer the iPad, but that doesn't imply Surface Pro 3 is in any way a "trade-down".

RE: Who wants to trade down?
By lawrance on 6/23/14, Rating: -1
RE: Who wants to trade down?
By themaster08 on 6/24/2014 1:57:18 AM , Rating: 2
Micro$oft ME edition back around 2000
Really? Grow up.

RE: Who wants to trade down?
By lawrance on 6/24/14, Rating: -1
RE: Who wants to trade down?
By retrospooty on 6/24/2014 10:52:06 AM , Rating: 3
The troll is strong with this one.

RE: Who wants to trade down?
By stm1185 on 6/24/2014 12:07:25 AM , Rating: 1
That Lexus is his go to luxury brand tells me everything I need to know about him.

Its lighter, thinner, with far more use cases, and the added benefit for any traveler of counting as a tablet!

RE: Who wants to trade down?
By lawrance on 6/24/2014 9:01:06 AM , Rating: 2
Oh well then, by all means, which Car company should I have used? An unreliable German brand? Even worse, Cadillac? Do tell.

Could be a great deal!
By morgan12x on 6/23/14, Rating: -1
RE: Could be a great deal!
By morgan12x on 6/23/2014 5:12:26 PM , Rating: 2
I just noticed the Surface is only $799. So that's only $398 to purchase it. Wow!

RE: Could be a great deal!
By retrospooty on 6/23/2014 5:23:33 PM , Rating: 2
? Where did the $899 come from?

If you are buying an $899 device just to get a $650 credit you are starting in a -$249 hole not a surplus.

Look at it this way...
Buy both devices: 799+899=1698
minus discount: 1698-650= 1048

RE: Could be a great deal!
By Argon18 on 6/24/14, Rating: 0
RE: Could be a great deal!
By ritualm on 6/24/2014 3:19:00 PM , Rating: 3
Apple's offerings suck - no real, verbose filesystem access is an outright PITA, and a requirement to use iTunes (unless you jailbreak it) for everything is retarded.

Android's offerings suck - they say first impressions count. Well, my first impressions of an Android tablet is a quad-A9 budget offering that can't run low-bitrate 720p MP4's at all... when an iCrap with far worse specs than that played back a high-profile Blu-Ray clip just fine.

I own a SP2. I don't have a single iPad or Android tablet in the house, let alone the likes of Kindle and Nook. SP3 does things a little better than SP2, which is hardly a reason to "upgrade".

RE: Could be a great deal!
By lawrance on 6/23/2014 8:44:36 PM , Rating: 2
Morgan12x you should change your name to Moron12x.

RE: Could be a great deal!
By inighthawki on 6/23/2014 10:15:52 PM , Rating: 2
Do you actually believe what you just said, or are you joking? I legitimately cannot tell.

RE: Could be a great deal!
By retrospooty on 6/24/2014 10:50:15 AM , Rating: 2
LOL, this reminds me of this old counting bit from bugs bunny.

1 for you, 1 for me
2 for you, 1,2 for me
3 for you, 1,2,3 for me
4 for you, 1,2,3,4 for me

RE: Could be a great deal!
By Argon18 on 6/24/2014 2:02:02 PM , Rating: 2
"So I buy a brand new MacBook Air for $899. Trade it in towards a Surface Pro 3 and get $650 credit. Which means I'm only out $249. So now I have a $650 credit plus another $249 to buy the $899 Surface Pro. That means I've only spent $498 excluding taxes to purchase a Surface Pro 3. Sounds like a sweet deal to me."

Son did you go to public school or private school? I'm just wondering which education system it was that failed you so miserably.

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