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Xbox 360 Halo 3 Special Edition Console will be priced at $399.99  (Source: Microsoft)

The Xbox 360 Premium will now feature an MSRP of $349.99  (Source: Microsoft)
Microsoft's Xbox 360 gets its first official price cut

When Sony cut the price on its 60GB PlayStation 3, the industry turned its spotlight on Microsoft for a response. Shortly after Sony's price cut, Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter predicted that Microsoft would cut the price of the Xbox 360 Elite, Premium and Core to $399, $349 and $249 respectively.

Shortly after Pachter's comments, Microsoft Game Studios VP Shane Kim hinted that a price cut was indeed in store for the Xbox 360. Kim noted that Microsoft needed to better compete with Wii in the entry-level arena. "We need to compete effectively for that customer and part of that is getting to the mass market price point for the console. We definitely are working on that area," remarked Kim.

"The timing depends on a lot of different factors and we'll just keep evaluating those," added Microsoft's Robbie Bach.

The chatter surrounding the price cuts became deafening once leaked sales flyers for major retailers began hitting the web. Ads for Wal-Mart and Toy "R" Us showed the Xbox 360 Premium priced at $349. One day later, a Circuit City ad was leaked which mirrored the $349 price for the Premium and added $449 and $279 price tags for the Elite and Core respectively.

Today, Microsoft officially announced the price drops for the three existing Xbox 360 SKUs. Beginning August 8, the Elite, Premium and Core will carry an MSRP of $449.99, $349.99 and $279.99 respectively.

In addition, the previously announced Xbox 360 Halo 3 Special Edition Console will be priced at $399.99 when it hits store shelves in September. The Halo 3-themed Xbox 360 features an HDMI port like the more expensive Elite and an "authentic Spartan green-and-gold finish." Microsoft also notes that the console will come with a Play and Charge kit.

Those that rush out to buy the new cheaper Xbox 360s may wish to go ahead and register for Microsoft’s new online service site for the console – it’s likely that you may need it in the future. In fact, many may just simply want to wait until the new Falcon-based Xbox 360s hit store shelves despite the current temptation of lower prices.



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Still not satisfied
By phatboye on 8/7/2007 2:17:39 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe I'm a little too picky. I mean, now that the price is right now I'm a little worried about getting the RROD. Even though the warranty has been extended to 3 years, I'd rather MS release a hardware revision that fixed the problems that plagued that older models instead of an extended warranty so that I don't have to worry about the console breaking after the warranty expires.




RE: Still not satisfied
By bgm063 on 8/7/2007 2:41:04 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. That RROD should concern everybody until MS fixes the problem once and for all. I personally have newer and older consoles, and I definitely can say that I have the piece of mind of knowing that if it's 5 to 7 years down the road and I wanna play an older game for old time sake, I don't have to worry about some hardware failures. I know it's to be expected with older consoles, but to be on Xbox 360 no. 1,2, and 3... I'll pass on it.

Make no mistake about it. Price.. OK. Game library.. decent. Just sucks to know that your console could be UPS or Fedex bound to MS.

As far as the price goes, still makes me wonder how much folks can be swayed into buying the core when the Premium gives you so much more. even if wired controllers are no biggie to some, it's hard to say that about the HDD.


RE: Still not satisfied
By therealnickdanger on 8/7/2007 8:05:41 AM , Rating: 5
You could live in fear all your life, too. The Internet is definitely full of stories of doom and gloom. Plenty of FUD, little fact regarding the RROD. Some of you (no one in particular) need to just chill out and stop expecting perfection. I mean, it's not like spending 200K on a Bentley, we're talking $300 for a gaming console. Get beyond yourself and realize that you're spending next to nothing to have hours upon hours of fun as well as getting an unparallelled warranty in the minority chance you'll have a problem.

If the price is right and the games are there, just buy it. Get the extended warranty if it makes you feel better (3+2=5 years). Even if the worst possible statistics are true (30% RROD), that's still a 70% chance you'll never have an issue. Those are good odds. Besides, will your life be tragically altered if you are *forced* to send in your 360 to Microsoft *for free* to be fixed for *10 days*? Would that be too much to bear?

Even my Genesis had trouble playing games 5 years down the road. I took great care of it, but the contacts just got worn out eventually. When it came time to replace it, guess what: there was a sleeker, sexier model out (Genesis 3) for only $25 on clearance.


RE: Still not satisfied
By mdogs444 on 8/7/2007 8:32:06 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I mean, it's not like spending 200K on a Bentley, we're talking $300 for a gaming console. Get beyond yourself and realize that you're spending next to nothing to have hours upon hours of fun as well as getting an unparallelled warranty in the minority chance you'll have a problem.


Although to a point I agree that to some people its not a huge amount of money. But none the less, $300 is on the cheap end - not even including a game. So to have the "hours of fun" as you state, youd really need to be spending upwards of almost $400 for a the system & a single game after tax - and that only being the core system, not including live. My argument is that depending on your financial situation, $400 can be considered an alot of money, especially for low income households with multiple kids.

Also, just an FYI - the 3 year extension ONLY covers the RROD, not the entire console. The entire console is still only 1 year.

But as far as the rest of your post I agree, if you want the system, just buy and quit worrying about all the internet FUD out there. Chances are if it breaks, it will be covered. It has much better graphics and game selection than Wii, at a fraction of the price of PS3.


RE: Still not satisfied
By therealnickdanger on 8/7/2007 9:04:16 AM , Rating: 1
Semantics? Of course you have to factor in the price of games, of course everyone's budget is different. Seriously, why nitpick and argue for the sake of?

We may as well drag this out. You could buy it from Newegg and not pay tax. If you like Worms, you could download it for $9 over Live Arcade using a free Silver account and get your "hours and hours" of fun for $288 + a the cheapest memory card you can find. You could buy one of the many used 360s off Craigslist that come with games and extra controllers for the same price as a new console alone. The 360 also comes with lots of preloaded Arcade and demo games. Backward compatibility. Media streaming.

We could discuss inflation as well as discuss the priorities of a low income household wasting money on a console they can't afford.

</rant>


RE: Still not satisfied
By mdogs444 on 8/7/2007 11:58:39 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Get beyond yourself and realize that you're spending next to nothing


Its not nitpicking. Im telling you not to act like a conceded asshole because you dont think $300 or $400 is alot of money. That puts alot of people down who cannot afford to have those "hours of fun".


RE: Still not satisfied
By therealnickdanger on 8/7/2007 12:55:12 PM , Rating: 1
Tough.

When you place the cost of console gaming ($300+) into perspective (buying 20 DVDs, going to Six Flags 10 times, eating out at McDonalds every day for a month, etc.), what you get back from it is exceptional. Yeah, $300 as a lump sum sounds like a lot to anyone, even this conceded a-hole, but it's really not if you compare it to other purchases you make that you could suspend for a while if you have some discipline.

I can't afford a Bentley (not that I want one anyway), but I'm man enough to not be "put down" by my inability to afford it. Only losers get "put down" by stuff they can't afford - winners do something about it.


RE: Still not satisfied
By mdogs444 on 8/7/2007 1:43:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yeah, $300 as a lump sum sounds like a lot to anyone, even this conceded a-hole, but it's really not if you compare it to other purchases you make that you could suspend for a while if you have some discipline.


You dont think a gaming console is one of the items you should suspend purchasing in order to have discipline with your money? If you have to save for months and months to buy one at $300-$400, then its not a priority and should not be something that you tell someone else to "get beyond themselves" about.

To me and you, no its not alot of money. But my financial situation is very good, and have done well for myself. But that doesn't give me the right to think im better than anyone else or that my money is worth more than theirs. Everyone is trying to get by, and if they cannot afford a console, then dont put them down about it.


RE: Still not satisfied
By phatboye on 8/7/2007 1:59:02 PM , Rating: 2
That is such a dumb analogy. Sure a lot of people can afford to buy a console if they discipline themselves more, but that still doesn't change the fact that the console is expensive. With a little discipline I could afford that Bentley in 10 or so years if I gave up a ton of other unnecessary purchases, does that change the fact that the Bentley is expensive? No it doesn’t.

Also can someone please tell me why I cannot see the worthreading/not worth reading links anymore at the bottom of peoples post? I have no idea why anyone would vote this guy up to a 5.


RE: Still not satisfied
By mdogs444 on 8/7/2007 2:03:37 PM , Rating: 2
If you commented on an article, you can no longer rate any threads within the article.


RE: Still not satisfied
By therealnickdanger on 8/7/2007 3:24:59 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah, that's a bummer that they took that rating system away. I understand why they did, but still...

Well, we're gonna have to have one of those "agree to disagree" moments. I don't like it, but clearly you're not seeing where I'm coming from on this topic. I'll give it one last go though:

"Get beyond yourself". You are taking this in a much more derogatory tone than I wrote it. Perhaps it holds different meaning to me than you. I use it often whenever I try to put things in perspective. It's the idea that one can step back from his life and see the bigger picture. Nothing more.

A lot of people that feel financially weighed down, at least in this country, are so because they let their spending get away from them on things that nickel+dime them until they have nothing left. If you can step back, look at everything you spend money on, eliminate some little things that you don't really need, and focus on a goal, few things are out of reach (except for the proverbial Bentley).

Yes, there are some people that do scrape by and live paycheck to paycheck, always in fear of losing it all because they simply don't make enough money. Those people shouldn't be purchasing luxury items like 360s, PS3s, cable TV, broadband, and more importantly shouldn't FEEL BAD about it. Sorrow just robs them of drive. Whatever time and energy they do have left over should be applied to improving their life. People can do whatever they want, it's a free country, but I think it's pretty stupid to pine over material things you can't afford. In those situations, and to be blunt, you can either change your habits or continue to waste your time.

In closing, this has gotten way, WAY too deep for an article on price drops. Stick a fork in me, I'm done with this thread.

P.S. My bad on the warranty thing, I forgot that BB changed their policy and moved away from the "extended" warranty. Are you still able to renew them after they expire? I should know, I work there occassionally... :P

*re-insert fork*


RE: Still not satisfied
By phatboye on 8/7/2007 1:28:49 PM , Rating: 2
While the internet is definitely “full of doom and gloom” stories, it surely isn’t lacking in fanboys either. You fanboys are all the same stick up for your favorite company no matter what crap they throw at you. You really think that a 70% chance of having a console that works the way it should is good odds? Not only is that not good, its not even to the level of acceptable. It’s just down right poor and shows MS’s lack of quality control. And that 70% doesn’t even include console that are prone to scratch those +$50 games.

Lets put this into perspective, would you buy a TV were you knew it only had a 70% chance of working within the first year? Would you find it acceptable if your electricity in your home had a 70% chance of working in the first year? Would you buy a CPU or a cell phone that had a 70% chance of working? Even if all these things were backed by a 3 year warranty? Well maybe you would but I certainly wouldn’t considering that there are alternatives out in the market with better odds. So why should I hold that +$349 console to any less of a standard then what I would to any other product out there on the market.

quote:
Besides, will your life be tragically altered if you are *forced* to send in your 360 to Microsoft *for free* to be fixed for *10 days*? Would that be too much to bear?
You are assuming that it only takes 10 days (that MS’s claim). From what I’ve seen from various friends is that it’s more like 2-3 weeks. Then you have to go through the hassle of dealing with ms over the phone (I haven’t looked at the new website put up for the RROD so I can’t comment on that). And then what’s to say that the refurbished 360 that they send you back is without problems.

I’m sorry for expecting more out of a +$349 purchase that you do. Do I have high standards? No I just think you have low standards if you think it is quite alright to buy a product with a known 30% chance that it will fail within the first year.


RE: Still not satisfied
By mdogs444 on 8/7/2007 1:38:22 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
You are assuming that it only takes 10 days (that MS’s claim). From what I’ve seen from various friends is that it’s more like 2-3 weeks.


10 BUSINESS DAYS is 2 weeks my friend.


RE: Still not satisfied
By phatboye on 8/7/2007 1:59:53 PM , Rating: 2
ok, you got me there.


RE: Still not satisfied
By therealnickdanger on 8/7/2007 2:49:09 PM , Rating: 2
I can tell you first hand that I was bummed when my 360 died on me (not even RROD-related), but after 10 minutes on the phone with Microsoft - really friendly and thorough - they over-nighted a shipping box to me, I sent out my 360, and I got it back fixed in 10 days (actual, not business). They also gave me a free extension on my Live account. This was in April or something, well before the 3-year RROD warranty announcement.

So you can see why I am a "fanboy", because I enjoyed my 360 for well over a year without issue and when it broke, they fixed it free and fast while also giving me a bonus gift - all while I was already PAST the standard 1-year warranty. I do have high standards, and Microsoft not only met them, but exceeded them, even if it was after the fact. So I want to recommend and will recommend the 360, even with a "30% failure rate". Isn't that how it's supposed to work?


RE: Still not satisfied
By phatboye on 8/7/2007 5:06:06 PM , Rating: 2
Well I'm glad you had a great experience and that you got some free stuff out of the deal but I still think it's better to wait a few more months (hell I've waited this long) for the new revision of the 360 to be released. Hopefully it will be a little better built.


RE: Still not satisfied
By Evelation on 8/7/2007 1:39:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If the price is right and the games are there, just buy it. Get the extended warranty if it makes you feel better (3+2=5 years). Even if the worst possible statistics are true (30% RROD), that's still a 70% chance you'll never have an issue. Those are good odds.


70% of never having an issue is considered good odds? If everybody thinks like that, pretty soon we will have cars that die 30% of the time, TVs that have 30% less life, printer inks that run dry 30% quicker ... and paying the same price. If consumers don't demand quality, companies won't provide quality. $400 is a lot of money for most people, unless of course, to those who think spending $200K on a Bentley is a good deal.

BTW, the three year warranty only covers RROD. But the 3+2=5 years statement is too ignorant for me to even bother with it.


RE: Still not satisfied
By therealnickdanger on 8/7/2007 2:02:28 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah, we've been over this before: 3 years is RROD only, I know, I never said anything to the contrary. And yes, you can add 2 years on to that via Best Buy's extended warranty. Not sure why that's hard to understand. Does 3+2 not equal 5? I admit I did that math off the top of my head and without a calculator, so forgive me if it is incorrect.

Hey, I'd love 100% guarantees on everything in life too, but it's not gonna happen. I'm not suggesting you adopt a new philosophy based on a rule of 70%, it's just that assuming it were truly that bad at one point, the problem has been identified, a fix is in place, a warranty is out there to more than protect customers' investment, and there's a slew of great games out now with more on the way. The juice is worth the squeeze. :P


RE: Still not satisfied
By mdogs444 on 8/7/2007 2:07:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And yes, you can add 2 years on to that via Best Buy's extended warranty. Not sure why that's hard to understand. Does 3+2 not equal 5


no there is no 3+2.

Best buy will offer a 2 or 3 year warranty. It starts immediately, not after the MS warranty ends. And if it did start when the MS one ended, it would still only be for you 3 years max. The actual warranty on the 360 is 1 year, not 3 years.


RE: Still not satisfied
By hrah20 on 8/7/2007 3:57:29 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with you that ms should fix the problem, but at the same time I'm not going to wait, I bought a second xbox360 but this time is an elite and if it breaks (that Im shure it will)so be it, in the meantime I will be playing, I don't think that a 65nm chip is going to prevent you from having a RROD, can't live in fear all the time my friend, I already replaced the premium once, and I'm shure its going to happen to my elite too.


This Says It All
By EndPCNoise on 8/7/07, Rating: 0
RE: This Says It All
By bunnyfubbles on 8/7/2007 2:29:00 AM , Rating: 2
I know, Microcenter was running $100 rebates on either system back in November (only premium and core back then).

Looks like I should have gone ahead and went with that deal...but heres to hoping we'll see something like that again and with the newer hardware to boot.


RE: This Says It All
By creathir on 8/7/2007 7:32:09 AM , Rating: 2
No offense, but it is a 10% price cut. Not much, but still more than 6%.

- Creathir


RE: This Says It All
By Gul Westfale on 8/7/2007 7:49:16 AM , Rating: 3
any price cut is better than no price cut, but the author is right when he says one should still wait for the 65nm revision before running to the store.


RE: This Says It All
By redog on 8/7/2007 12:05:32 PM , Rating: 2
Here is a post on the xbox forums by a guy who's info is usually regarded as true (I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt):

http://forums.xbox.com/13882627/ShowPost.aspx

Quick summary:

He states that Late july manufactured consoles will have the new heat sink and the new chip set. and June consoles having new heat sink. There have been "friend of mine opened it and it's 65nm" posts.

Elites would be the first to get the new chip set since there is less initial stock, but i think with price drop it will help to dry up existing inventory and get the new Falcons out into the retail channel.

So like everything else on the internet, take it with a grain of salt.

But by the time Mass Effect comes out (reason why i'm holding on till Oct/Nov) 65nm should be out and confirmed.

-R


RE: This Says It All
By peritusONE on 8/7/2007 8:04:39 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
<sarcasm> Anyone really get excited over a whopping 6 percent "price cut" after nearly 2 years later? </end sarcasm>


Whine. Why should Microsoft drop the price of a console if it still sells pretty decently? I can't stand ignorance where people think that consoles should automatically drop price every 6 months by large amounts.


RE: This Says It All
By mdogs444 on 8/7/2007 8:13:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
<sarcasm> Anyone really get excited over a whopping 6 percent "price cut" after nearly 2 years later? </end sarcasm>


A price cut is a price cut - regardless of whether we deem the amount was appropriate.

Considering the sales are higher than its main competitor (PS3), and the price is already hundreds lower than that of PS3, as well as they are losing money because of the $1+ Billion warranty program, we should just be happy with the fact that we get one at all.

Even with the fact that the RROD issue is widely known, the console has been on the market for 2 years, and has seen steady sales for the past year. The Wii has put up strong forceful numbers since its release, and the PS3 was only a major hurdle during its inital release and has since calmed down to the point of very limited sales.

The price drop is meant as a marketing tool to attract newer customers who else would have bought a Wii because of its low price point. It is also meant as a scaling tool to still be hundreds less than the PS3 with its recent (temporary) drop. Consider the fact that the new 65nm process has not even been put into these production systems yet, so its not like they are dropping the price to reflect savings on their manufacturing processes.

I just dont see why people make comments that are not of productive nature. All it leads to is fanyboys and trolls coming out of the woodwork to make matters worse.


Even less reason to get the Core...
By daftrok on 8/7/2007 2:34:07 AM , Rating: 4
Now there's only a 70 dollar price difference between the Core and Premium. Seriously either throw in a 128MB memory card with it or don't make it anymore!




RE: Even less reason to get the Core...
By BMFPitt on 8/7/2007 8:25:16 AM , Rating: 2
According to additional rumors based on something in Best Buy's inventory system, they are discontinuing the Core.

I never saw why any rational person would have bought one anyway, given the price of even the most tiny memory cards you can get (64MB won't even hold the patches for some games?)


RE: Even less reason to get the Core...
By mdogs444 on 8/7/2007 8:33:40 AM , Rating: 2
They are not discontinuing the Core system. The rumor was that Best Buy had decided not to carry the Core system anymore - thus expanding the shelf room for only the Premium, Elite, and soon to be Halo versions of the console.


RE: Even less reason to get the Core...
By BMFPitt on 8/7/2007 8:50:32 AM , Rating: 2
Best Buy will stop carrying the Core because X.

X might be because they want to make room for other SKUs, or it may be because there will be no more Cores. Doesn't make sense to me from a business perspective not to carry a handful of Cores just to show off the lower price point in the weekly flyers - unless there are no more to be had.


RE: Even less reason to get the Core...
By masteraleph on 8/7/2007 10:01:09 AM , Rating: 2
Sure it does. There is likely a slightly higher margin on the Premium than the Core. If they see a sales different great enough then it would certainly be worth it.


By BMFPitt on 8/7/2007 12:53:38 PM , Rating: 2
They can sell you a Core, or you can buy one at the Circuit City across the street.


Ouch
By Emma on 8/7/2007 7:03:17 AM , Rating: 2
Meanwhile, in Australia the best price you can find for a 360 Premium is AU$580, or US$493. On top of this, a headset is not included and there is still no release date for the Elite.

A price drop for down under has not been announced.




RE: Ouch
By peritusONE on 8/7/2007 8:06:43 AM , Rating: 2
I think I also read that they currently had no plans for a price drop in Europe, either.


Lower Wireless Adapter Price
By JAH on 8/7/2007 1:48:38 PM , Rating: 2
I will have to go all wireless soon, so that mean I'll have to buy the wireless adapter for my 360. But God damn, that thing is expensive! $100 (a little cheaper from online retailers) for a wireless adapter is outrageous. That's almost a third of the price of the console.

I wish MS would lower that by half, but since console maker make huge profits from accessories, I don't see that happening soon if ever. :(




RE: Lower Wireless Adapter Price
By BMFPitt on 8/7/2007 4:56:21 PM , Rating: 2
Don't give MS your money for their adapter. Buy a $50 wireless bridge and plug it into that.


Doesn't cut it
By augiem on 8/7/2007 3:49:11 AM , Rating: 2
Well, I've been wanting a 360 for a long time now, but I'm still not buying until the Falcons are out. Of course, that's assuming they also do something about the RROD and disc scratching stuff.




By crystal clear on 8/7/2007 5:54:19 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft Corp said on Monday it will cut the price of its main Xbox 360 video game console model by about 13 percent in the United States, hoping to boost sales ahead of the crucial holiday season.

Launched in November 2005, the Xbox 360 has gone 20 months without a price cut, the longest of any console in history. Sony's PlayStation 2 held its $300 price for 18 months after launching in the United States in 2000.

"It surprised me a little bit because there's not a whole lot of market pressure on them to lower the price," said Van Baker, an analyst with market research firm Gartner.

"Is it going to make an enormous difference? No, because when it comes to consoles, it's not the price that sells the console, it's the games that sells the console and from that perspective, Microsoft's in pretty good shape," Baker said.

Greenberg said Microsoft timed the price cut to coincide with the release of Electronic Arts Inc's "Madden NFL 08", the latest installment of the publisher's top-selling football franchise.

"Summer tends to be seasonally slow, but we definitely see a big uptick starting with 'Madden', and accelerating through the end of the year," Greenberg said.

Microsoft is also banking on the highly anticipated final episode of "Halo", its flagship game franchise, to be a major profit driver this year. The game hits stores on September 25.


http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUS...




Sigh...
By AstroCreep on 8/7/2007 11:50:02 AM , Rating: 2
I've been holding out on a 360 since they were released (at the time due to price and lack of games).
When I heard about the Elite I thought "Hey, that's cool, I'll probably get one now!", but it was released at $480, so I then thought "Hmmm, I think I'll wait for a price drop".

Thanks for $30, cheap bastards. :p




Too little...
By Locutus465 on 8/7/07, Rating: -1
RE: Too little...
By peritusONE on 8/7/2007 10:46:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nintendo has proven even people with HD-TV's are price sensitive

Where do you get that? Do you have some magical survey numbers that show the majority of Wii owners also own HDTV's? Putting Nintendo and high-definition in the same arguement is pointless. The very fact that the Wii does not do anything over 480p is the sole reason it only costs $250.

Personally, I think the Premium is now priced very good at this point in time. $50 is a big perceived price drop to those sitting on the fence. However, the Core and Elite will cause the smallest ripple, and who knows, that may have been Microsoft's plan at this point. The Premium SKU is still the most sought after version, and it makes sense to drop it more than the others.


RE: Too little...
By EndPCNoise on 8/7/2007 3:25:54 PM , Rating: 1
blurredvision: Where do you get that? Do you have some magical survey numbers that show the majority of Wii owners also own HDTV's? Putting Nintendo and high-definition in the same arguement is pointless.

BMFPitt: That's one of the most absurd comments I've ever read.

Nielsen also found that households that own the Nintendo Wii are more likely to earn more than $100,000 a year. USA Today, Associated Press
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2007-07-26-5...

Nielsen: Wii households more likely to be upscale.
...findings show affluence among consumers of Nintendo's latest system...
While Nintendo's Wii might be the least expensive system in the latest generation of consoles, it's actually more likely to turn up in the homes of the affluent. That's among the findings the Nielsen Company...
Nielsen found that Wii households tend to be "upscale," or more likely to boast an annual income of more than $100,000.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175665.html

Nielsen is one of the most well respected and widely used survey companies in the world. Corporations rely on Nielsen's data to effectively spend their advertising dollars.

Please continue to go on justifying spending so much money on a product with such an exceptionally high failure rate since you seem to know so much more than the affluent.


RE: Too little...
By BMFPitt on 8/7/2007 4:45:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nielsen is one of the most well respected and widely used survey companies in the world. Corporations rely on Nielsen's data to effectively spend their advertising dollars.
And they said nothing about people with HDTVs being more price-conscious. Nor did they make any ridiculous claims that Nintendo has somehow proven this.

People who make $100k are far more likely to be in Nintendo's target market. People who are in the 360/PS3 target market are much less likely to make $100k.

If the Wii was $600, instead of simply being more likely to make $100k, Wii owners would be FAR more likely to make $100k.

quote:
Please continue to go on justifying spending so much money on a product with such an exceptionally high failure rate since you seem to know so much more than the affluent.
Yes, because if you look back at my post history, all you see is me bashing the Wii and being a MS/Sony fanboy.


RE: Too little...
By Locutus465 on 8/7/2007 11:18:25 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.vgchartz.com/aweekly.php#hard

Sales figures are hard to ignore... It's simply harder to justify $400+ dollars on a game system knowing you'll be spending $60.00 per game after already spending $1,000 on a TV. Even for the afluent, price matters. Most people (I know) have a game console either to play a specific game, to have something to waste a little time with or because it seems kind of neat... Unless you're an absolute hard core gamer, it's extreamly difficult to justify the expense when all you want is a little fun (fun being what the Wii excels in by the way)...


RE: Too little...
By BMFPitt on 8/7/2007 11:47:32 PM , Rating: 2
So what does that have to do with your original statement that I have been mocking? What does that have to do with my reply?

quote:
My argument is that Nintendo is currently winning (and will continue to) because they realize that you can put a pretty enough picture to satisfy most people. What really matters is game play, the innovative controller system helps greatly in this regard.
If you believe that someone was arguing against that, you need to up the medication.


RE: Too little...
By Locutus465 on 8/8/2007 9:55:47 AM , Rating: 2
Thank you for making my point....

For someone who owns an HD-TV to be predisposed to purchasing say and xbox 360 (or playstation) v. Wii, those systems have to have something very compelling that the Wii doesn't have (particularly given the difference in price). In the realm of hardware that's the ability to push out more pixels than just 480p's worth... Since 480p is "good enough", is that a compelling enough reason to spend the extra money when a cheaper system has a superior game play? Not really... It's just not worth the extra expense. So we're left with the only reason to buy an x-box being because they the platform has a game you can't go the rest of your life with out playing... For me that's Halo 3, but even with that I'm not willing to shell out the extra $$$ to buy an x-box at current prices... I'll wait a bit longer for a lower price, I'm sure a great many others will too... Which is what I'm getting at, if you want to move consoles, price matters a great deal more than Sony or Microsoft like to pretend it does!!!


RE: Too little...
By BMFPitt on 8/8/2007 5:09:11 PM , Rating: 2
The Wii and the 360/PS3 are vastly different systems that have vastly different purposes. Price gives an advantage to Nintendo, but price has little to do with why so many people with want them. Most people who only have a Wii would still have that Wii even if the other consoles were prices identically.

I can't think of a single game currently out that I would want to play on both consoles. It would either be fun on the Wii or it would be fun on the traditional console.

I'm very happy with my Wii60.


RE: Too little...
By Locutus465 on 8/10/2007 2:35:03 PM , Rating: 2
From where I sit it seems to me they all play video games... Which is what most people I know do with a gaming system... play games... Perhaps there is some HD/blueray dvd watching, but primarly gaming...

Perhaps a more serious gamer might pick up on differences like which machine is better at what genera of games, but much to MS and Sony's horror, they have discovered that "serious gamers" don't make up the vast majority of the console market... Thus, price is king... Or at least a factor for gamers like me who would love an xbox but after shelling out $1,000 on our TV's we feel like even $350 is abit much given the price of games.


RE: Too little...
By Locutus465 on 8/7/2007 11:28:00 PM , Rating: 2
My argument is that Nintendo is currently winning (and will continue to) because they realize that you can put a pretty enough picture to satisfy most people. What really matters is game play, the innovative controller system helps greatly in this regard.

And yes, HD-TV owners are still price sensitive... A console is a product like any other, the purchase has to make sense at the price point. Sony and microsoft are both more expensive to get into, and continue to be at least $10 more expensive per major title. I suppose my magical survey is all the people I know (some like me who do have an HD-TV) who even with the current price cut are not willing to pay for an X-Box 360. The core is too stripped down, and the premium is still over priced... knock another $50 and MS will see a real boost, as for this cut... well, I suppose we'll see...


RE: Too little...
By BMFPitt on 8/7/2007 12:58:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Nintendo has proven even people with HD-TV's are price sensitive
That's one of the most absurd comments I've ever read.


great!!!!!
By crazyblackman on 8/7/07, Rating: -1
RE: great!!!!!
By peritusONE on 8/7/2007 2:15:47 PM , Rating: 2
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they rushed it to the market for fear of competition from ps3 and the masses of idiots with disposable income to waste on a product ,that was rushed through testing with KNOWN high failure rates, bought not only one, but two,or even three in some cases, expecting each one to work PROPERLY.

Whew! I about ran out of breath reading that phrase/sentence/jumbled mess. I'll agree that they most likely rushed it to market, and most likely rushed through testing, but you have no idea if high failure rates were "KNOWN". I'm sorry, but a company of Microsoft's size and business knowledge doesn't push out a product (that costs them hundreds of dollars to make) when they would know of any high failures rates during testing. I'm sure they rushed through QC, but you can't say they knew about any failure rates. On the other hand, you can bad mouth their QC process, which apparently missed all of this.

Oh, and it's not very typical for "idiots" to have disposable income. If you have disposable income, you've most likely earned it in some intelligent way.
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this is the most shameful, disgusting, DECEPTIVE product launch in recent history.

Nice wordage. Are you trying to incite hate and riots? :)
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IMHO, it is still overpriced when compared with all the hassles of product replacement and loss of use of their prepay "live" service. people have been shipping rrod consoles in for repair and getting refurbished consoles back that are older than the ones they sent in. disgraceful business practices!

First of all, if you send your console in for service under warranty, they give you a free month's worth of Live service to make up for time lost. Do your research. And how is product replacement a hassle and a cause for being overpriced when they send a box on their dime, then you ship it back to them on their dime, they fix it on their dime, then they ship it back to you on their dime?

Warranties are just like terms of service. If you don't read and understand them before handing money over, it's your own fault. The 360 warranty is specifically laid out as far as time and the possibility of getting back refurbished units.
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yet and still, the ignorant continue to debate the value of "is it the right time to buy?"! go ahead, buy one. and by all means, throw away the reciept...I dare you. oh but hey, they have a great warranty. the only one of its kind. duh...bet you all voted for bush twice too!

hahahaha! Good stuff. First off, you don't need the receipt to take advantage of the warranty on your 360. It's all done by the serial number. Second, I'm sure Bush enjoys his 360 console :P.

The only one ignorant here is you, that's what it boils down to. Let me guess, you typed your reply on your PS3's web browser, huh?


RE: great!!!!!
By crazyblackman on 8/7/07, Rating: 0
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