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Does a UI by any other name smell as sweet?

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) is reportedly preparing a major change in terms of branding, scrapping the codename "Metro", which was previous used to refer to the user interface text/geometry/color style found in Windows 8, Windows Phone, and certain company websites.

A leaked internal company memo mentions the decision being made after "discussions with an important European partner".  One leading hypothesis is that German retailer Metro AG (ETR:MEO), which appears to control the EU trademark on the word "Metro", threatened to sue.

Microsoft may be cautious about generating any more ill will in the European Union, a region that has already relished lashing it with fines, and which is currently considering new fines related to browsers in Windows 8.

Regardless, Microsoft advises employees to "discontinue the use".  As a stop-gap, the interface that shall not be named by its former name shall be called "Windows 8 style UI", according to Microsoft, until a more permanent name is decided upon.  

The decision on the more catchy new name should come "by the end of this week", hopefully with a bit more trademark research this time around.

Metro store
Metro is one of Germany's largest retailers.

The good news for Microsoft is that given the mixed press Windows 8's Metro makeover has received, changing the name may actually reduce public awareness of some of the harsher criticism of Windows 8, which largely comes from power-users and is of questionable applicability to the average non-enthusiast/non-power-user.

Sources: The Verge, ZDNet



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call it what you want
By Argon18 on 8/3/2012 7:56:32 PM , Rating: 4
it still sucks as a desktop UI. phone, ok, tablet, ok, but desktop? ugh, no thanks.




RE: call it what you want
By BigEdMan on 8/3/2012 8:06:21 PM , Rating: 5
Love it on my phone...
But no way will it go on my desktop!
Hell, I'll even pass on Battlefield 4 if I have too.

Hope it gets a better name now.


RE: call it what you want
By inighthawki on 8/3/2012 8:51:04 PM , Rating: 1
Then don't use it. There is still an actual desktop that has even more features than Windows 7.


RE: call it what you want
By JKflipflop98 on 8/4/2012 9:30:08 PM , Rating: 1
Apparently clicking the little "x" button is beyond their comprehension.


RE: call it what you want
By Spuke on 8/3/2012 11:52:13 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Hell, I'll even pass on Battlefield 4 if I have too.
F@$k that!


RE: call it what you want
By Samus on 8/4/12, Rating: -1
RE: call it what you want
By MrBlastman on 8/6/2012 12:06:43 PM , Rating: 1
There's better stuff out there than Battlefield, though. :)

Take Mechwarrior Living Legends, for instance. It's like Battlefield with mechs and vehicles... the biggest difference is 99% of the time you're in a vehicle and not on foot--what's not to like about that?


RE: call it what you want
By polishvendetta on 8/6/12, Rating: 0
RE: call it what you want
By taisingera on 8/3/2012 8:40:29 PM , Rating: 2
Why don't they call it "Tiles"


RE: call it what you want
By espaghetti on 8/3/2012 8:56:02 PM , Rating: 5
Because, while accurate, that name bites.
My vote is for :TIFSFD

This Interface F%^& Sucks For Desktop


RE: call it what you want
By JKflipflop98 on 8/4/2012 9:31:29 PM , Rating: 1
LOL and you probably hate Vista and LOVE Win7, too. Right?


RE: call it what you want
By espaghetti on 8/4/2012 9:51:41 PM , Rating: 4
Honestly i couldn't give a damn less if they call it Batman fucks Robin.
Just don't remove well known ways to use my desktop, Okay?


RE: call it what you want
By inighthawki on 8/4/12, Rating: 0
RE: call it what you want
By espaghetti on 8/5/2012 7:10:21 PM , Rating: 2
Understand I have had build 8400 installed for a few days. The desktop taskbar has no start button. It has been removed. Which part did you miss? They changed the desktop. Could've gave us the option. It's not like they ever pulled the option for cmd from DOS. Why the hate for the button?


RE: call it what you want
By inighthawki on 8/5/2012 8:26:25 PM , Rating: 5
You do know that the start screen is really just a full screen version of the start menu, right? And worried about those other options (computer, control panel, etc)? Just right click instead and you get a power user menu with all those options. You don't really lose any functionality. In fact you even gain some.


RE: call it what you want
By kleinma on 8/5/2012 8:54:33 PM , Rating: 3
GodMode even works in Win8 just like it did in Win7.

Create a folder, rename the folder to

GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

and you have instant access to all config/admin type things you need (and it is searchable since it comes up in explorer) and you don't need to even leave the desktop to use it for those who are terrified of the start screen in Win8.


RE: call it what you want
By espaghetti on 8/5/2012 11:10:13 PM , Rating: 2
Wrong! It's a complete pain in the ass! I cannot turn it into a simple list. I have ridiculous squares that eat up space. Half of them I can't re-size or rename. It's dumb. The store is point blank useless. Not one app that I need or want. I tried the accuweather app only to be told that location services on my phone needed to be turned on..BAHAHAHHAHA! It's a PC!

Listen, I've read about 25 things I like about 8. The "Metro" or "who cares what it's called" belongs anywhere but my desktop pc.


RE: call it what you want
By acer905 on 8/6/2012 12:16:03 PM , Rating: 1
For a full list of all programs, metro or classic, go to the start screen and right click. Is that so hard?

Also, the OS is not released yet. The store itself is a preview app. IT IS FOR DEVELOPMENT.


RE: call it what you want
By TSS on 8/5/2012 9:09:07 AM , Rating: 1
Winblows?


RE: call it what you want
By ArcsinZ on 8/3/2012 8:53:10 PM , Rating: 1
I like it. Much faster than the start menu.


By ComputerNovice22 on 8/3/2012 9:23:20 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed I think as a desktop UI it honestly stinks.


RE: call it what you want
By bupkus on 8/3/2012 10:39:55 PM , Rating: 2
I thought I recognized your name.

You've posted before with your one man witch hunt of Windows 8. Why not let others investigate it on their own cause you definitely don't speak for all of us.

I mean, it is available for free download. Not to say that the final product will be identical to the freebie.


RE: call it what you want
By lexluthermiester on 8/4/2012 6:30:31 AM , Rating: 4
Then I'll chime in with him. I use the start menu quite often and am unwilling to abandon a part of an aspect[among the many others MS seems to be removing] of my computing life just because MS thinks it's not useful anymore. Rubbish.

I've tried the Consumer Preview version[arguably the better one] and the Release Preview. Neither one seems compelling enough to even consider using. Hell, I'd rather go back to Vista, because at least there are tons of customizations for it.

So while he and I don't speak for everyone, we are heralding the trumpet of warning. Windows 8 seems like it is going to turn out to be even more of a dud then Vista was. At least for the general desktop environment. Phones, it's passable, tablets, ok. But not the standard desktops/laptops arena.

So Bupkus feel free to enjoy Windows 8. Us power users will continue to sound off until MS goes the way of the dodo or pulls their head out and decides to listen to those whom help make or break them. Is it any wonder they have had their first quarterly loss in company history and well on the way to another even worse next?

Keep up the good work MS! [note sarcasm]


RE: call it what you want
By wordsworm on 8/4/12, Rating: -1
RE: call it what you want
By Camikazi on 8/4/2012 11:06:44 AM , Rating: 2
Yea, you do know that what a Power User does depends on their field right? SO a lot of Power Users do use Windows because the programs and software they work on do not run on Linux. Linux is not the be all end all it has flaws, just as many as Windows actually, and will not work for everyone.


RE: call it what you want
By wordsworm on 8/4/12, Rating: -1
RE: call it what you want
By Reclaimer77 on 8/4/2012 3:52:02 PM , Rating: 4
Windows accounts for something like 90%+ of the usage market share in the corporate/business world. You can make all the disparaging remarks about Windows and it's users being only gamers, but sorry, Linux is not highly represented among "power users".

quote:
Making a 3D movie? Pixar uses Linux.


Pixar uses Linux for their clusters because they use customer software (Renderman Pro), but every other department and office is using Windows.

But we know this, Linux is great for special purpose built stuff. General productivity? Not so much.


RE: call it what you want
By Taft12 on 8/4/2012 10:02:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Windows accounts for something like 90%+ of the usage market share in the corporate/business world. Linux is not highly represented among "power users".


Corporate laptops generally aren't operated by "power users". You do know what OS is on most Google employees PC's though, right?

For general productivity, Linux and Windows are about a wash.


RE: call it what you want
By TakinYourPoints on 8/5/2012 5:14:34 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
You do know what OS is on most Google employees PC's though, right?


I have several friends there. It is predominantly Macs (which is another flavor of Unix) and Linux over there. Same with workstations (not just renderfarms) at Pixar, it is mainly Linux with some OS X.

A lot of the high end tech world, at least here in California, operates on Linux. Almost all of my web dev friends develop on that and on OS X. With OS X you're in a native POSIX *nix environment, plus you have the added benefit of widely supported applications and being able to run any OS in a VM. Windows is used professionally, sure, absolutely, but "high end"? Not usually, not unless data entry 101 is considered high end.


RE: call it what you want
By wordsworm on 8/6/2012 12:53:51 AM , Rating: 2
What's really astonishing about Linux is how well it will scale from the Raspberry Pi to IBM's Roadrunner. I used it awhile back at work, and it was the machine that didn't require a harddrive reformat every few months. The worms that wormed their way into the network didn't harm it. The benefit to me was that I didn't lose any data, and the machine was always available to be worked on. Really the only thing holding me hostage to Windows is Adobe's creative software.

What I am hoping to see in the not too distant future is some smart Linux phones. I'd love to see a phone that has a feature like an SD card slot, an OS which can be changed (like on a PC).


RE: call it what you want
By TakinYourPoints on 8/6/2012 1:27:29 AM , Rating: 2
Sidenote, watching the Mars landing, and look at all dem Macbook Pros they're using!

Again, the idea that "high end" professional use is solely dominated by Windows is ludicrous. Can you imagine what an even bigger mess the financial markets would be if the exchanges ran on Windows instead of Linux?


RE: call it what you want
By Reclaimer77 on 8/6/2012 2:10:30 PM , Rating: 2
Takin you're a vocal shill for Apple who's admitted he owns stock in the company. Your bias is well known, so we get it, okay? We get why you're saying the things we do, but numbers don't lie.

You can bring up all the myopic stories about you and your friends, or seeing a few MacBook Pros on TV (which COULD have Bootcamp on them, by the way), but numbers don't lie. Windows simply dominates business and corporate and any other segment when it comes to market share.

quote:
Again, the idea that "high end" professional use is solely dominated by Windows is ludicrous.


Who said "solely"? I said MOSTLY, as in 90+%. You're the one being ludicrous here. The idea that Windows isn't dominating can only come from someone who's personally invested in this NOT being the case, ie. you.


RE: call it what you want
By TakinYourPoints on 8/6/2012 4:36:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
numbers don't lie. Windows simply dominates business and corporate and any other segment when it comes to market share.


Um, duh?

Like I said, of course Windows is popular, everyone knows that, having 90% of the desktop market is something any amateur knows.

When did I say that Windows doesn't dominate? Of courrse it is. The only case I'm making is that Linux and OS X desktops, as small as their market is, are prevalent in the high end and in mission-critical tasks.

quote:
(which COULD have Bootcamp on them, by the way)


Really? What I saw on the JPL big board was some GNOME desktop. Do you really think that if JPL was running Linux on their PCs, that they'd be running Windows on their Macs?

Hilarious.


RE: call it what you want
By TakinYourPoints on 8/6/2012 4:39:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You can bring up all the myopic stories about you and your friends


Yes, myopic anecdotes about friends who work at freaking Google, in big web development, and in the VFX industries.

No bearing on reality whatsoever, nope.


RE: call it what you want
By TakinYourPoints on 8/6/2012 6:29:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Who said "solely"? I said MOSTLY, as in 90+%. You're the one being ludicrous here. The idea that Windows isn't dominating can only come from someone who's personally invested in this NOT being the case, ie. you.


The thing you have to realize is that the bulk of that 90% is not in the high end. Well supported econoboxes is where Windows dominates. Call centers, data entry, etc etc, these are HUGE for Windows. The idea that Linux or OS X don't have a larger share of the upper echelon, let alone the bulk of mainstream web development, shows a huge lack of technical understanding on your part, not to mention a massive padding of numbers from tasks that are decidedly not "high end".

As someone said above, Windows by percentage is mostly a casual-use and gaming operating system, just look at how much of the mass market uses it. It certainly is for me; my DIY Windows PCs are strictly for gaming. My other machines are for work.

Google, VFX, design, and web developer examples aside, here are some quotes from another board on the Mars mission, responding to Windows white knights:

quote:
I work at a National Lab and that's certainly not the case here. Sure, code gets deployed to server hardware once it goes into production, but almost everyone in the Scientific Computing group codes on Macbook Pro's. They're standard issue.


Another:
quote:
My advisor in grad school was PI on multiple instruments, both in orbit around Mars and on the surface. In our lab the backend servers all ran linux, but Mac laptops were used for data analysis tasks just as often as the linux desktops were. Very few people ran windows.


http://i.imgur.com/XKc30.jpg

In any case, the Linux/OS X bashing here is pretty silly. OBVIOUSLY Windows is popular and obviously it is a great platform for many to work on, I'll never deny that. I love Windows 7! However, there are benefits to Unix/BSD based operating systems that put them over Windows, especially for mission critical tasks. Would you really want a financial exchange running Windows on the back end?


RE: call it what you want
By TheJian on 8/7/2012 6:17:02 AM , Rating: 2
I think you're confusing servers with power users. I've worked in the #1 producer of saw chain and also a top medical company. Neither used linux. ProE, Solidworks, Cadcam, Finite Analysis, programmers writing apps for the majority of the chain company etc, drug testing at the medical company, etc. All ran windows.

So in your mind the only power user is a NON HUMAN eh? Both companies ran their entire network on ...Wait for it...WINDOWS SERVER :) Linux, last time I checked only ran about 60% of the servers in the world. Translation, some 40% think windows is OK for mission critical company needs. Did you miss that? Or do you think they only sell server 2008 to home users running private web pages?...LOL. With a LARGE portion of the design community running Adobe CS suite on WINDOWS I think any claim that web people (google or not) use linux only is borderline ridiculous. Windows isn't just popular, it's used by the mass majority of users, power users or not. PERIOD. The numbers don't lie, as much as you'd like to believe they do. Dream on.

Tons of people use linux PURELY because its FREE. It has nothing to do with superiority. Since google HATES microsoft it's not exactly surprising they use linux heavily...ROFL. Well duh. Doesn't do you much good to fill the coffers of the enemy camp now does it? That would make google kind of DUMB ;) The biggest probably (IMHO) with linux is the 50 varieties, which is probably the biggest reason winblows succeeds. I work in IT and do NOT use linux. I have no use for it. Also I wouldn't even consider Mac OSX linux as nothing that runs on it runs on a REAL copy of linux. Do mac games run on redhat? Nope. Does mac Adobe CS suite run on ANY flavor of linux? Nope. Is a ford pinto the same as a porsche because they both have tires and an engine? NOPE. Mac OSX isn't linux in the same sense that a pinto isn't a porsche. They are all different operating systems, no different than these are both cars but VERY different cars :)

I have no intention of leaving America despite the fact that I think obama is a terrorist destroying our country from the inside. Another 4 years and he may get the job done completely (we can't afford another 6 trillion in debt, and I have enough trouble paying my own medical let alone forking over for 20million useless illegals). But until another country offers me something BETTER I have no intention of leaving. I'm using Winblows for the same reason. Let me know when linux offers me MORE and I'll be happily switching. I'm rooting for you, but don't hold out much hope I'll ever get to go on anything other than windows. Work and play for me come from windows...I have no time to learn something else just to call myself a bigger geek than I already am (and I don't think it makes anyone a bigger one anyway, it just makes you that much more useless in my world). I remind you that Macs have been hacked and infected if you think linux is immune...ROFL. Better networking? I'm remembering a blackhat conference that had a few guys hacking it in minutes (even as they said in the same breath, we can do windows just as fast...LOL). You're not special because you booted (or make a living from) linux this morning instead of windows...LOL. I digress...

PS...I hate windows 8, and have run it, will probably have to learn it more than I want and still believe it SUCKS. The only think I can say I liked about windows 8 is 4K native support. But I don't need to boot from a 3TB drive and both of mine work fine as data drives in winblows 7 :)...LOL@MS for trying to sell that crap to a "POWER USER" like me ;) XP64 still ROCKS! Plays every game I've ever thrown at it, runs with every product in my entire families PC's (all AMD/NV cards, all nics, Creative cards, loves my 16GB etc). I wouldn't even be running winblows 7 if I hadn't needed to support it in IT...No point other than work. Winblows 7 is SLOW compared to XP64 (I live in explorer, so 7 is just about useless without xyplorer/total commander). Damn 7 is always calculating or discovering something and wasting my time. Why can't it just copy/paste/move and shut up? Change for the sake of change is stupid. What kind of OS can't be used efficiently as a file manager? WTF? Seriously? Jumping folders? NO free space status displayed without properties or clicking computer? Just replace win7 explorer with xp's and I'll be seriously less stressed...LOL. Can't I just get an XP64 rev2 or something? Sell me xp with 4k native and DirectX 12...Done. Aero can't work in XP? BS! Not that I use it anyway. 20GB of space to do LESS and work SLOWER than I could with 2GB in XP64? Whatever...sensible rant over...Besides, it's 3:15am here...LOL.


RE: call it what you want
By Taft12 on 8/8/2012 12:39:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Linux, last time I checked only ran about 60% of the servers in the world. Translation, some 40% think windows is OK for mission critical company needs.


0% of the world's servers run all flavours of UNIX combined now?


RE: call it what you want
By HoosierEngineer5 on 8/4/2012 12:27:23 PM , Rating: 3
In my experience, Windows 7 boots more slowly than XP. Trying to figure out where a newly opened window appears on the task bar is never fun (did the PDF open in a browser, or in Reader?). It regularly locks up when resuming. It's hard to tell where one window ends and another begins (I am often closing down the wrong window). It always asks stupid questions (are you sure you want to open this? Are you really sure? Double-extra-secret sure?). I am sure security is better, but that doesn't positively affect the user experience.

Kudos to the folks that wrote XP. Obviously a tough act to follow.


RE: call it what you want
By HoosierEngineer5 on 8/4/2012 12:29:47 PM , Rating: 1
By the way, who picks these crazy names? How is an operating system similar to a subway?

At least when you search for 'XP', you don't get unrelated results.


RE: call it what you want
By Taft12 on 8/4/2012 10:05:48 PM , Rating: 2
They only call it the Metro in one country, and Metro is not an OS. Also what about all those hits for experience points and extreme programming? Are you sure you're an engineer?


By HoosierEngineer5 on 8/5/2012 10:34:39 AM , Rating: 2
What is it then? As I understand it, it isn't simply an application you install. Is it like a web browser that you can replace with another vendor's version? I think many people would be interested if that were the case.

And yes, the diploma says Master of Science in Electrical Engineering.


RE: call it what you want
By Camikazi on 8/4/2012 5:56:35 PM , Rating: 2
PDF or other files opening in the browser will only happen if you have a plugin (or program) installed that does that and will always happen once you set it to do that (BTW the button blinks when a new window is opened). My computers come out of standby and hibernate with no problems at all every time, dunno what is wrong with you comp.

I'm not even sure how you can't tell what each window does so not even going to try that one as for the questions if you haven't noticed the average user isn't too bright so asking more than once is the best way to make them think if they want to open that file. As for the booting that depends on your computer and what you have starting up, on a more recent computer Windows 7 will be faster on a slower, older comp Windows XP might be faster but that isn't guaranteed.


RE: call it what you want
By xthetenth on 8/4/2012 6:47:00 PM , Rating: 4
You call yourself a power user and you didn't think that search in win 8 makes a mockery of the start menu? The start menu is a search, six or so pinned programs and a hierarchical list nobody's used since vista. The start screen is a vastly improved search and much more pinned programs organized so they're about as easy to find what you want in. I was going to be sarcastic and say that the start menu is as outdated as the command line, but the latter hasn't been totally obsoleted for power users while the ability to hit five keys and have your chosen program open killed the usefulness of the start menu.


RE: call it what you want
By BZDTemp on 8/6/2012 6:00:42 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Us power users will continue to sound off ...

Saying you don't speak for everyone and then going on to start at statement with what I just quoted is sort of silly.

I for one will pick Win8 over Vista any day and I'm pretty sure the label "power user" fits me just fine. It's not that I am happy with Win8 but after giving it a real try I gotta say it is not all bad. Do I miss the Stat button and what sits behind it for sure but it's not like the Metro UI is useless just different and this is even using a keyboard without Windows keys (a Model M).


RE: call it what you want
By NellyFromMA on 8/6/2012 3:39:49 PM , Rating: 2
Luck has is that there's a great OS for you! It's called Windows 7, it's the best desktop OS I've heard and is tailored to suite your needs. See how easy that was. Win 8 isn't for you. It's for everyone else. Have fun.


RE: call it what you want
By NellyFromMA on 8/6/2012 3:39:58 PM , Rating: 2
Luck has is that there's a great OS for you! It's called Windows 7, it's the best desktop OS I've heard and is tailored to suite your needs. See how easy that was. Win 8 isn't for you. It's for everyone else. Have fun.


RE: call it what you want
By xti on 8/4/2012 1:17:29 AM , Rating: 2
they dont make pills so that you arent allergic to life...buck up!


RE: call it what you want
By AnnihilatorX on 8/4/2012 7:05:08 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I stuggle to understand why is it so hard for Microsoft to integrate desktop and metro together as one unified desktop UI. Desktop icons and metro tiles are both, in essence, square and rectangles.


RE: call it what you want
By Arsynic on 8/6/2012 9:59:30 AM , Rating: 2
Opinions are like ass holes...


RE: call it what you want
By NellyFromMA on 8/6/2012 3:37:12 PM , Rating: 2
Metro was a sucky name anyways and I'm happy to see it go. Can't wait for Win8 on all platforms though, huge step forward.


By Taurus229 on 8/3/2012 10:50:35 PM , Rating: 2
It does not change what it is, crap for desktop users. Congrats, Microsoft, You have driven away another desktop user.
I've just downloaded Mountain Lion, works well for a desktop. I do not need Windows 8 UI or whatever you want to call it. Yes, for the first time since Windows 3xx, I am using a Mac.




By bupkus on 8/3/2012 10:56:55 PM , Rating: 3
So you're saying that one look at Windows 8 didn't just cause you to stay with Windows 7. It made you run out an buy and Apple. Really? Thanks for the smile. But really, man, that sounds so... so.. stupid.


By TakinYourPoints on 8/3/2012 11:03:31 PM , Rating: 2
Not really, Mountain Lion is a fantastic desktop UI, and its pretty much the best thing for a laptop. Windows 7 is good but it certainly doesn't move forward in the same way.

If only Microsoft kept up with something as good on the desktop instead of the mess that Windows 8 is. The Release Preview exceeded my expectations as to how much it screwed up, and this is before getting to the Metro UI


By bupkus on 8/5/2012 8:04:10 AM , Rating: 2
Well, I'm not really experienced with any of the Apple products. I have been building my own systems for years and I find as each year passes it gets easier partly to my experience but mostly because of improvements in design.
I very much liked Windows 7 and don't really feel a need to jump ship. If I ever used an Apple desktop maybe I would like that more, but my liking it wouldn't eliminate the obstacle of cost nor would I like to pay much more for an incremental improvement.

If I were as the OP, offended by the Windows 8 product for some personal reason I would simply switch to linux which I have used on and off for many years.

Truthfully, I wouldn't have posted if the OP's reason for switching had been for a positive move to Apple rather than a negative response to Windows 8.


By TakinYourPoints on 8/5/2012 9:22:54 PM , Rating: 2
I've been building my own systems since the mid-90s. I don't think that using Apple products and building PCs is mutually exclusive in the slightest. Aside from giving access to excellent laptops and user interfaces, it also broadens one's technical knowledge past what comes out of Redmond, not a bad thing IMHO.

As for the second point, this is very well said, I couldn't agree more:
quote:
Truthfully, I wouldn't have posted if the OP's reason for switching had been for a positive move to Apple rather than a negative response to Windows 8.


Cheers


By lexluthermiester on 8/4/2012 6:40:52 AM , Rating: 2
Now this is an argument that makes sense. Don't like Windows 8, stick with 7 or even XP[Yes I said it and still use it]. Plain and simple. And you're right, what daffy nitwit would run out and buy a Mac after one look at Win8?

Mac's are great for some. Linux great for others. But anyone wanting the awesome variety of software available for nearly any use, Windows is you're answer. I have my beefs with MS, but no one can deny the wealth of software out there for the Windows environment.


What's in a name?
By Belard on 8/3/2012 9:02:26 PM , Rating: 2
"changing the name may actually reduce public awareness of some of the harsher criticism of Windows 8" LOL!!

No matter what you call it, a turd in any language is still a turd.

They call rename the UI anything they want, its crap.

This story about "METRO AG" is BS. There are all kinds of companies called APPLE. Like Apple Automotive, etc - which has nothing to do with Apple Computers. Nobody would be confused about Metro UI and Metro Store since the name "metro" is generic. Like the METRO line (trains) which are called Metro on both sides of the pond.




RE: What's in a name?
By mckinney on 8/3/2012 9:21:47 PM , Rating: 2
They probably couldn't copy write "Metro" because it was too generic.

I heard they were going with BOB 2.0


RE: What's in a name?
By kleinma on 8/5/2012 9:01:16 PM , Rating: 2
If the story was BS you don't think Metro AG would say something about it? No you wouldn't think that because you are too busy being an idiot.


RE: What's in a name?
By Belard on 8/6/2012 3:22:26 AM , Rating: 2
Who knows? Many companies DON'T comment anything. The Meto AG is speculation.


The Lazy and Stupid have spoken!!
By Cerin218 on 8/4/12, Rating: 0
By lotharamious on 8/4/2012 1:31:28 PM , Rating: 1
Truth. Every word.

The coming tablet revolution will enable so many more usage scearios then we currently have. The trolls here couldn't possibly imagine computers doing ANYTHING other than what they can currently do (let's not forget our computing devices of yesterday/today/tomorrow in theory can solve ANY Turing-decidable problem).

MS are setting themselves up nicely for a completely new personal computing market. That's right. Desktop be damned. The money is drying up in the traditional computing sense. Don't believe me? Google latest trends on sales of desktops, laptops, and tablets. Take a guess at which one is going to dwarf the other two in just a few years time... small, lightweight, portable, anywhere, fast, fluid, always-on... it's just what people want. It's what years of research have shown people want. Apple furthers the evidence by reporting quarter after quarter of ridiculous revenue and profit from their relatively new cash cow of iOS devices.

Honestly, I currently sport 1 laptop and 1 desktop. Since first using the developer preview in September, I can't wait to ditch both and only use a touch device, with a closet server for my movies/music/etc. Then I can get all my data from anywhere, and only need to carry around one device. Need to do some work? get a keyboard/mouse/monitor and hook them up. BAM! Windows 8 desktop to the rescue. It's pretty much the same as Windows 7, and can even, by-golly, run all of EA-Activision's re-released crap.

Speaking of games, geez, how will you do that without a desktop? Easy. Thunderbolt + external graphics card (Yep, they're not released yet. But in another year I don't think that will be the case).

I'm fucking sick of hearing the hate on the start screen. Have you guys even used Windows 8 for more than about 10 seconds? Do you honestly think you'll spend more than 3 seconds at the start screen if you're actively working on something on a computer? Do you spend all day at the office staring at your current Start Menu going "Wow, I love how organized all my programs are!"

It was a nauseating experience, indeed, reading all of these haters' postings. Everyone here is so BLIND. We need more forward thinking from people like Cerin.


RE: The Lazy and Stupid have spoken!!
By BenSkywalker on 8/4/2012 4:27:42 PM , Rating: 2
I've been running Android devices since 1.5, have several different iOS devices around the house, tablets phones and one thing that using them for the last half decade has clearly shown me- Microsoft's tile UI is undoubtedly the poorest UI in the market.

After the horrific failure that was WinMo6.5 MS launches WinPhone7 to the world and, shockingly, managed to *lose* marketshare.

Their tile UI, looking at explicitly and solely from a touch device basis- is utterly terrible. It isn't that it isn't perfect, or that it isn't great, it is a shamefully bad product that should have never been released.

Lack of flexibility, lack of usability, and particularly versus the market dominating Android- the lack of a "Start Menu"(App Drawer), WP7 has been an absolute failure for MS and they get the idea to take this failure of a touch screen UI and force it down the throat of their desktop users? WinMo6.5 took the desktop UI and tried to cram that down the throat of touchscreen users and it worked better then the UI they designed for touch from the outset based on simply observing marketshare.

I ran Vista in beta until a year after Win7 hit because I had no issues with Vista honestly. Been running MS OSs since the early 80s(my first MS 'OS' was running on Apple hardware- and Apple shipped it that way). I used IE as my main browser up until recently and I still use Office. If Win8 is the future direction for MS I'm done with them altogether. Win8 is utterly terrible, even if you are looking at it strictly from a touch perspective.


By acer905 on 8/6/2012 12:37:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
and particularly versus the market dominating Android- the lack of a "Start Menu"(App Drawer)


I take it from your comment that you have never personally used WP7 in your life. Or if you are, you are too great an idiot to understand how to swipe left.


By Belard on 8/5/2012 10:41:50 AM , Rating: 2
Gee, yet many in the PC world has been saying the iPad and tablets were a fad until 2012. Tiles have their place... but the Win7-x86 desktop isn't it.

If you are in desktop mode, then any benefit of tiles is gone. If you are in metro Apps, you still cannot see the tiles. Yet with Windows7, you can see the Start Menu (same as the start screen in W8) and your data and gadgets at the same time.

Since Metro Apps are not compatible With Windows and most of us really don't need MS-Office, who needs Windows8? Time to go Linux, Apple, ChromeOS or Android.

BTW: you are right - I use my iPad around the home because it takes about 1~2 seconds to turn on and connected to my network. I can quickly look up something on the internet without waiting for Windows to wake up or boot up. Its lighter than my notebook of course.

Its almost 20 years of WindowsOS... frankly, its getting to be more of a pain in the ass to deal with. It was nice in the old days, you bought your OS upgrade disks, you installed and and you were done. These keys, these activations, these DRMs, these phone calls, etc... its old and we pay for this crap?

The price of Linux or Android is free. Its about time we started moving long.


Eh....
By FastEddieLB on 8/3/2012 10:52:51 PM , Rating: 3
Having used Windows 8 on my PC I have to say, it has all sorts of things about it that are good, bad, neither.

The Good:
Improved functionality for multiple monitors. Having recently gotten a second monitor, this pleases me.
Still has Windows Aero and much of Windows 7's best points (such as an actual desktop, not relying on the Start Screen as THE interface.)

The Bad:
The start button is removed. Say what you will, but I like and use the Start Button. The psuedo-replacement they have for it (yeah, there's actually a psuedo-replacement) is almost exactly where the Start Button was, but is ugly and much more difficult to click. It's almost as though they're trying to say "look, we still have a Start Button," except it's now difficult to use.

(the soon to be renamed) Metro UI is utter crap. The apps are crap, the tiles are inefficient, the navigation is difficult, and the screen edge features are terribly clunky, making them horribly difficult to use, even moreso with multiple monitors, thus creating a counter-intuitive UI experience. Everything involved with the (soon to be renamed) Metro UI feels like it would work well on a touch screen, but it does not work well on a desktop.

I can't find an "all programs" list. Why can I not find an "all programs" list? This makes no sense.

The Ugly:
The (soon to be renamed) Metro UI is ugly to look at. It looks like a step backwards in UI design, and reminds me of the horrible artwork in the post-One More Day Spider-Man comics. Personal preference, but I don't like it.

Windows Live connection. It's nice to be able to have Windows Live directly connected to Windows 8, but unfortunately this also removes user customization by forcing you to use your real name for your user folder rather than allowing you to customize it to your liking.

Final thoughts:
I'll pass on upgrading this time around. Microsoft is trying to make an OS for all devices that ultimately creates an OS for no devices. If Microsoft stops Win7 support, I'm going to Linux Mint.




RE: Eh....
By GPig on 8/4/2012 4:02:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I can't find an "all programs" list. Why can I not find an "all programs" list? This makes no sense.


Right click on the start screen - it lives on the bottom bar.

quote:

The Ugly:
The (soon to be renamed) Metro UI is ugly to look at. It looks like a step backwards in UI design, and reminds me of the horrible artwork in the post-One More Day Spider-Man comics. Personal preference, but I don't like it.


I thought that when I first saw WP7. It took some getting used to. But I have to say now after using WP7 and Win8 for 6 months that it is a design language that makes complete sense. The software industry has been mindlessly ploughing along down the "must have more chrome, must have shinier icons" route for so long that it is hard to break out of that mind set.

I'm currently looking at the "all apps" screen and wondering why the hell anyone would want to dig through that tiny little inefficient start menu. The full screen, chromeless, decluttered interface is about focusing on the task at hand. And it really does a good job of that.


My opinion is...
By croc on 8/4/2012 9:10:55 AM , Rating: 4
...patiently waiting for someone that has it in a work-place test environment. That is the environment that will make or break any version of windows.

My crystal ball says that Win 8 hurts MS even more than Vista did. And for valid reasons this time around...




Last paragraph
By DrApop on 8/4/2012 5:42:15 PM , Rating: 2
I think the last paragraph of this article says it all and is likely the main reason for the Metro name change.

While metro on their phones may be been functional and a moderate seller in the mobile market, I have been hearing a lot more negative comments regarding the UI since it's move to the desktop...lack of functionality, ease of use, visual appeal, etc.

I think microsoft wants to start anew (at least with a new branding name) before the big release....giving the average audience, that may have heard some negative rumblings about a so called "metro" interface, the idea that MS has moved beyond Metro with something else.

Doesn't matter....still looks like crap IMO.




Metropolis
By slatr on 8/6/2012 10:32:22 AM , Rating: 2
Metropolis, finish the abbreviation.




New Mick :)
By Pirks on 8/3/12, Rating: -1
RE: New Mick :)
By mckinney on 8/3/2012 9:27:18 PM , Rating: 2
How about the picture for the blog

Nothing spells cutting edge tech like..." The Metrosexual Guide to Style "

Is that a ruler on the bottom?


Man... what a bunch of..
By bupkus on 8/3/12, Rating: -1
"Can anyone tell me what MobileMe is supposed to do?... So why the f*** doesn't it do that?" -- Steve Jobs














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