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Vista Build 5381 - Image courtesy Paul Thurrott's SuperSite
Microsoft releases Vista Build 5381 to testers

Although Microsoft wasn't scheduled to release a new interim build of Vista to testers before the roll out of Beta 2, the company has decided to eek out one last build. There aren't many changes to this build compared to 5365, but it does give us a look at what to expect when Beta 2 is officially rolled out on May 22nd. From Paul Thurrott:

The Vista version of Media Center has been updated to allow an Xbox 360 to function as a Media Center Extender. Windows Mail has been updated slightly with a new Vista-like look. That's about it. I've already gotten a number of emails from people wondering if I'm going to review this build. The answer is no. My next Windows Vista review will be for Beta 2, and that will occur when Microsoft gives the OK (I'm meeting twice with the company between now the official Beta 2 briefing to discuss what's new in Beta 2). My plan for the Beta 2 review is to focus on the overall feature set, as it now stands, and to examine software compatibility.

Many of Paul's nagging issues concerning the development and features of Windows Vista still haven't been addressed, but I guess we can always wait for the inevitable service packs. Official Windows Vista beta testers can grab the latest build from the Microsoft Connect website.



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it's so Windows ....
By mforce on 5/10/06, Rating: 0
RE: it's so Windows ....
By Phynaz on 5/10/2006 2:32:20 PM , Rating: 1
Do a little Googling would you?

There are major changes to Vista under the hood.


RE: it's so Windows ....
By ZeeStorm on 5/10/06, Rating: 0
RE: it's so Windows ....
By cscpianoman on 5/10/2006 4:57:34 PM , Rating: 1
Breathe! Take a breath, pause, relax, chill... move on.

What's the old adage? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The GUI for XP works, that's why for the most part you'll find it in Vista. There's nothing wrong with that. You don't have to reinvent the wheel to make it better.

Obviously some things needed fixing. Security for one, which Microsoft has done. Maybe it will need more fixing. But you are talking an operating system with systems upon systems built into the OS. Darn, straight there is going to be bugs. No one ever said creating good games or software is easy. I hope you give it a try and maybe we wouldn't have had to hear this.

Are they out to make money? Yes, same with every other company out there. If you don't like it, don't buy it. You are more than welcome to purchase a Mac, or use Linux.


RE: it's so Windows ....
By PLaYaHaTeD on 5/10/2006 5:35:32 PM , Rating: 2
You sir, are an idiot. Learn a little something about what it takes to develop an application as comprehensive as windows, or visual studio, or sql server, and then get back to us. Until then, stop talking about what you know nothing about.


RE: it's so Windows ....
By mforce on 5/10/2006 6:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
Yes I do know what it takes to program in C++ , not at that scale but I have some idea .
I only need Windows XP because some programs are not in Linux , as an OS I like Linux better ( I'm not saying it's better , it may or may not be ) .
The only thing that's wrong is for M$ to make you get Vista cause certain things will not work in XP .
It will be harder for Microsoft to put in new stuff in its software that people will really need .
Anyway I don't really care if you want to pay for Vista and get it please do , I don't mind but I'm not , Windows XP works and as someone said , if it ain't broken why fix it :) .


RE: it's so Windows ....
By DFranch on 5/10/2006 8:44:20 PM , Rating: 1
Hmmm . . . The Commodore 64 I had in 1984 wasn't broken. Maybe I should still be using that. I hope you have fun with Windows XP for the next 10 years.


RE: it's so Windows ....
By Locutus465 on 5/10/2006 10:14:08 PM , Rating: 2
Eeeeeh, I still think you're underrating windows development... I'm not sure what your programming experience is, but mine involves maintaing a large corperate system comprised of thousands of webpages and dozens of backend windows processes which all communicate with eachother and depend on eachother to not screw up. I can tell you right now that trying to add new functionality to a large system while maintaing backwards compatiblity (one of MS's primary focuses) is not a trivial problem. Frequently one of the biggest issues is making a minor change to one system and being unaware of the impact it has on a seeemingly unrelated system.

The linux crow gets around this problem by not dealing with the backward compatiblity issue. It makes development more agile, and helps make the system more secure. But at the same time it makes development a pain in the rear, particularly kernal level development (I've toyed enough with that to know that even a minor kernal revision can break software which is not properly written).


RE: it's so Windows ....
By mforce on 5/11/2006 7:04:12 AM , Rating: 2
Now this is an opinion I totaly agree with . Windows is hard to improve because you still need to keep it Windows . In the Linux world you can make an 180 degree turn just like that but it's not so easy with Windows .


RE: it's so Windows ....
By Snuffalufagus on 5/10/2006 4:41:08 PM , Rating: 2
Mandrake looks so much like SuSE, I expected something else but to be honest Fedora seems good enough for a linux distro , it's not Windows but for a linux it's good .
I don't even understand the need for a new Windows other than Novel hoping to make some more cash . What's Version 53 got ? A new UI and some updated versions of gnome and FF? Some security tweaks too from what I hear , that's all good but it's nothing major as usual . The only major shift in the Linux world came with the adoption of the Unix core and it was a good one indeed .


RE: it's so Windows ....
By Cincybeck on 5/10/2006 5:06:43 PM , Rating: 1
LMAO that's funny but, you messed up the line:

I don't even understand the need for a new Windows other than Novell hoping to make some more cash .

Should of been Linux. Still funny.

I'm eager for Vista honestly. All I've seen are some screenshots and the only thing I've read is that it will have a significantly lower start-up time then XP.


RE: it's so Windows ....
By Snuffalufagus on 5/10/2006 5:30:09 PM , Rating: 2
Yep :), and I wanrted to edit it as soon as it posted, the dang word is dead center of the post.


RE: it's so Windows ....
By mforce on 5/10/2006 6:34:10 PM , Rating: 2
Actually Linux can look very different depending on what you install . Just put Gnome on SuSE and you'll have a different GUI . As for under the hood , they have different versions of apps and the kernel but they're not that different , I agree .
This wasn't ment to be a Linux vs. Windows and keep in mind nobody is asking you for any money on some good Linux distros . You can get SuSE and Mandriva for free in case you didn't know . Yeah , the changes between Linux versions are not that great but no one is asking you for $ for many Linux distros .
And you should do some research about Linux , there are major things changing and one of those would be udev but then again you have to know the what /dev is .


RE: it's so Windows ....
By Snuffalufagus on 5/10/2006 7:02:28 PM , Rating: 2
No shit Sherlock. You shouldn't make assumptions about what someone does or does not know, you have a 50% chance of being wrong.
It was merely a joking response to a fanboy post made by someone who doesn't understand how to use punctuation properly&.


RE: it's so Windows ....
By mforce on 5/11/2006 7:22:31 AM , Rating: 2
I did realise you know enough about Linux and yes I like it but I'm not really a fanboy . I do find it better than Windows but that's just me.
I'm not turning this into a Linux Vs. Windows thing . They've both got their weakness and their strenghts . The thing with Windows is that it's very easy to use and everybody does so it's the only choice for people who don't know too much about computers but that's not to say others don't . The Windows security record though is less then perfect . On the other hand Linux and its graphical interfaces have their serious bugs too but let's not compare things . If you think at how much money goes into M$ and how much goes into KDE for instance , it's not fair to compare them .
And yes , I might stick with Windows XP for the next 10 years , it's a good Windows :) . There are poor people still using Windows 98 on their computers because they don't have the PCs required by newer Windows versions . You shouldn't think everybody has the money to spend on a new PC , new Windows or that they have the need to do it . Browsing the internet and writing an e-mail works just fine on Windows 98 .
As for my punctuation and stuff I'm sorry I didn't know it was that important in judging a person . Let's keep this civilized , shall we ...


3 few days late...
By IsDanReally on 5/10/2006 2:17:02 PM , Rating: 2
That build was released over the weekend...in case any one thought this was news of a new release.




By crystal clear on 5/11/2006 3:21:11 AM , Rating: 2
I think your approach is correct to Vista review.You go should go through those MS briefing ,then start a serious review of the Beta 2 version ready for release.You start off on something concrete to review/analyse,rather than depend on some website review/comments.
Let other websites quote you or your website -thats the right approach.I have a feeling many a opinions are formed by some vague or biased reporting on other website,or sometimes plain ignorance.You can set things right by a serious,unbiased & correct review to remove those confusions/doubts/wrong impressions etc.




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