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The offending "Express" setting, which some argue "tricks" users into resetting their default browser.  (Source: Beta News)
Microsoft's latest move is critiqued by the news community

The blogosphere is heating up over some some interesting options in the Internet Explorer 8 installation process.  Eager to spread its shiny next-generation browser, IE 8, to the masses, Microsoft has included an option which resets the user's default browser in what some argue is too subtle a manner.  The "Express" option during the IE 8 install is designed to make the install quicker and easier for novice users.  However it also contains what is coming as a surprise to some -- it make IE 8 the default browser, without a popup prompt or question screen (though it does mention this in the Express option's description, see the screen shot).

The move is garnering attention, as typically such important use decisions are left to the user via an independent dialog box.  Further, many simply are installing the browser out of curiosity, testing it, and then making the discovery that it has replaced Firefox as the browser used to open links and other such duties reserved for the default browser.

A Microsoft spokesperson, spoke with DailyTech and points out that similar options exist in Firefox's install process.  Further, she says, the option is clearly indicated with a text description.  "You are in control of which option you click," she states, adding, "We do believe Microsoft gives you the safest setting (for browsing).  That's why it's selected (as the default) in the 'Express' option."

It is apparent that the story is being overhyped slightly, as users who had their default overriden, would soon get a chance to fix it; almost all third party browsers (Firefox, Opera) to upon open prompt users to make them the default, if they are not the current default.  However, it may be significant as a certain number of users leave their computers on for days, with open browser applications.  An install of IE 8, for such users would equate to addition of traffic from email or document links to IE 8, until the user intervened to reset the default.  This could give Microsoft a small but significant boost in marketshare.

Microsoft's move echoes that of its competitor Apple, which last year drew ire for a prechecked install option for Safari, which came with in the update Window for iTunes.  While both methods may leave some feeling tricked, noteworthy differences, though, are that IE 8 does not precheck the "Express" option, and does not install any software that the user did not intend.

For those confused, in order to switch the back to Firefox as your default (assuming you use Firefox) you can start by closing all instances of Internet Explorer 8 (you can use the task manager to help you verify they're all dead).  Then you must open Firefox and click Tools, Options, then click the Advanced icon in the Options toolbar.  Under the General tab, make sure that "Always check to see if Firefox is the default browser on startup" is enabled.  Then click Check Now.  A dialog should now appear, confirm that you want Firefox as your default browser by clicking OK.

Or simply close all instances of the browser and reopen.  You should be prompted to reset the default, as mentioned (which many blogs are failing to note).

Similar steps can be used to restore Opera, Chrome, or Safari as your default browser, if you don't use Firefox.

DailyTech spoke with Håkon Wium Lie, Chief Technology Officer of browser-maker Opera.  He comments on the development, "We see it as problematic that Microsoft uses Windows Server Updates to reset user settings... Microsoft still behaves as a monopolist.  They use their Windows position to gain a dominant position in the browser market.

He encourages readers to follow the antitrust proceedings in European Union court, which DailyTech is covering.  Indeed, while the browser move may be overhyped and may not yield a noticable increase in marketshare for Microsoft, it may be a painful decision, as it gives Opera and Mozilla what they will argue is another example of Windows being used to boost IE, which they believe they can use against Microsoft in the proceedings.  Ultimately, whether Microsoft or Opera's views are correct is largely subjective and the tech community will have to ultimately weigh both arguments.

In the end, though its probably nothing to lose sleep over, the Washington Post reporter who first wrote on the issue has since followed up, "Okay, I'm partially responsible for this. When installing IE8, I chose Use express settings, which, among things, makes IE the default browser. It says so right in the setup window (see below), but I didn't pay close enough attention. Ironically, I usually opt for "custom/advanced" installations, but here I stopped reading after Search provider: Google. Anyway, for all intents and purposes, Microsoft did "ask" before making IE8 the default browser, just not in the usual way. My apologies for any confusion."


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Eh?
By afkrotch on 5/1/2009 2:11:51 PM , Rating: 4
Can't believe this article is that long for this.




RE: Eh?
By JasonMick (blog) on 5/1/09, Rating: 0
RE: Eh?
By Steve1981 on 5/1/2009 2:40:10 PM , Rating: 5
I think Microsoft should be heavily fined for this.

I mean, they make this tricky "Express" option to install IE which pretty clearly says that it will change the default browser... I can easily see how people would be fooled and defrauded of their choice of default browser.


RE: Eh?
By xti on 5/1/2009 2:44:42 PM , Rating: 4
I dont understand why it's such a crime, figuratively speaking, to set it as default if someone just went out of their way to download it - obviously there is an interest in it from the end user.

I mean no one complains when utorrent becomes the default .torrent handler...


RE: Eh?
By HVAC on 5/8/2009 12:51:28 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I mean no one complains when utorrent becomes the default .torrent handler...


I would. Especially since I haven't installed utorrent ...


RE: Eh?
By redbone75 on 5/1/2009 2:52:14 PM , Rating: 5
Am I the only one able to detect the sarcasm here? Gosh, people, get a clue and lighten up, and I really mean get a clue and lighten up.
quote:
I mean, they make this tricky "Express" option to install IE which pretty clearly says that it will change the default browser...

It would seem, Steve1981, that it truly is tricky for a lot of people because, apparently, they can't understand what they are reading, just like the people who voted you down.


RE: Eh?
By Steve1981 on 5/1/2009 3:24:17 PM , Rating: 2
Perhaps I should clarify with <sarcasm> and </sarcasm> in the future. Ohh well.


RE: Eh?
By clovell on 5/1/2009 3:50:29 PM , Rating: 5
No, sarcasm tags should not be necessary on Fridays.


RE: Eh?
By mikefarinha on 5/1/09, Rating: 0
RE: Eh?
By SlyNine on 5/2/09, Rating: 0
RE: Eh?
By random2 on 5/4/2009 3:47:32 AM , Rating: 1
ROTF.....You guys kill me.


RE: Eh?
By JasonMick (blog) on 5/1/2009 2:56:29 PM , Rating: 1
/sarcasm? ... :)

I think that's probably the case, but, I wanted to add that it may interest some to see this too...
http://support.mozilla.com/lt/kb/img/wiki_up/insta...

FF3 (straight from Mozilla's support pages) has a pre-checked box for making it the default browser (which would override IE8). I sorta note this in the article, but I think the screen shot is even more straightforward.

Might add this to the article too if I get time...


RE: Eh?
By Sulphademus on 5/8/2009 12:47:03 PM , Rating: 2
Every program ever made in the history of the universe either wants to take over as many file extensions as possible (RealPlayer, Im suprised it didnt set itself as default for .doc) or to install unrequested software by default (FFS, even Java wants to install MSN or Google toolbar).

I can see how reopening Firefox and rechecking the make default box will make some peoples' heads explode but unrequested installs and such by default are far more devious.

I saw a lady the other week who was running IE. Half of her screen was toolbars. I unchecked them just so I could work and she was thrilled that they were gone (I subsequently uninstalled them). She didnt want them, she just clicked on whateverthehellitwasbox that popped up and BAM: Yahoo, MSN, Google, AOL, and Ask toolbars eating away at screen realestate and system resources. Not malware, just malicious practices.

Finally, I was reinstalling XP for someone yesterday and noticed that IE 7 is no longer an option under Windows Updates; straight to IE 8. Just an FYI.


RE: Eh?
By Moishe on 5/1/2009 3:20:33 PM , Rating: 4
God forbid people read, then make a decision. For f**k's sake this is such a *nothing* in terms of importance.

Poor people might have to click some buttons to set their favorite browser to "default"!! OMGz.

fridiculous.

< / rant >


RE: Eh?
By random2 on 5/4/2009 3:44:37 AM , Rating: 2
LOL.....I agree, they should keel-hauled and hoisted up on the yardarm, then promptly flogged within an inch of their lives....:-)
Too funny....much fuss about nothing.


RE: Eh?
By Samus on 5/4/2009 4:44:12 PM , Rating: 2
Jesus Christ, all you have to do is open Firefox (or any other browser for that matter) AFTER IE8 installed and makes itself default, and Firefox will ask you if you want IT to be default again.

I really don't see the problem. Browsers fight over defaulty superiority all the time in the OS.


RE: Eh?
By TomZ on 5/1/2009 2:41:25 PM , Rating: 4
Jason, I don't see why there is any controversy at all. The install dialog clearly states that the express settings set the default browser to Internet Explorer. It's not a secret or anything.

If a person chooses to install IE8, chooses that option, then later complains that IE8 is set as the default option, then they are pretty stupid.


RE: Eh?
By JasonMick (blog) on 5/1/09, Rating: 0
RE: Eh?
By HammerZ on 5/2/2009 3:42:59 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I think the preinstall (packing IE with Windows) topic is much more contentious and open to debate


I totally disagree with that line. I think that the integration of IE into Windows is the best thing since slice bread. Otherwise, how the hell are people going to download FF onto their new machine w/o IE? :)


RE: Eh?
By Hare on 5/2/2009 10:35:04 AM , Rating: 1
Do you think computers always came with a browser? Somehow people back in the nineties managed to install the browser of their choice without any presinstalled ones. Apple actually provided Netscape and IE on the installation CD so people could select which browser to install with their OS. I don't see anything difficult with that.

MS could provide an online installation with their OS so that users could easily pick a browser and it would automatically be the latest one.


RE: Eh?
By badgood on 5/2/09, Rating: 0
RE: Eh?
By sinful on 5/2/2009 2:47:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
MS could provide an online installation with their OS so that users could easily pick a browser and it would automatically be the latest one


And why stop there?

Why should I be forced to have to install notepad as my default application for TXT files? Maybe I want to use Notepad++?

And the same thing with Paintbrush, Calculator, and a myriad of other programs.

Really, how hard would it be for MS to prompt you for every single application you want to install with Windows?

Oh sure, Windows Installs would take forever, and most users would get tired and just start hitting "Next Next Next" or have 200 problems/questions during the install, but hey - at least they have a choice at install time.

That's SOO much of a better idea than just giving them a "basic collection" of applications, and then letting them "download" other applications, if they so desire....


RE: Eh?
By Hare on 5/3/2009 1:09:01 PM , Rating: 1
Good point but I think a browser is a bit different compared to text editors. Many online services are IE only and having IE as the default browser helps MS push their solutions.

I personally don't give a rats *** if IE comes with MS OS or not.


RE: Eh?
By Chocobollz on 5/3/2009 2:09:38 PM , Rating: 1
Or better yet, you could uninstall all of those preinstalled programs you don't like. This way, everybody win. You can keep your Windows neat and organized as you want and for everyone else who doesn't care about it will freed from doing a 10-hours installation ritual (and doing countless clicking LOL) :-)


RE: Eh?
By LRonaldHubbs on 5/1/2009 2:53:43 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. Anyone installing software should read that choices they are given. If they fail to do that then they have no right to complain. And it's not like it's the end of the world, you can always change the default later.

Now, if the Express option did thing contrary to what is listed (such as set Live Search as default even though it says it will set Google), or if it silently set IE as default with no notice at all, then we would have a controversy. This story as it stands is a non-issue.


RE: Eh?
By Danish1 on 5/2/2009 5:39:18 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
If a person chooses to install IE8, chooses that option, then later complains that IE8 is set as the default option, then they are pretty stupid.


You mean like idiots who move in next to an airport and later complain about the noise?

Stupid people exist in large numbers you know.


RE: Eh?
By afkrotch on 5/1/2009 2:57:12 PM , Rating: 5
But you're choosing to install IE8. The software isn't being force upon you. The software isn't being force upon you via another software that you want.

This is an option in the installer. If you willing ignore to pay attention to the details, then accept the consequences.

Install Winamp and it becomes the default player for any audio file. Unless of course you change the installer options. Don't hear any hoopla over that.

I understand where you're coming from, I just don't see this as a big deal. If you were installing IE8 and it force fed Windows Media Player 11 down my throat, I'd be mad.

I remember when Quicktime and iTunes were slapped together and you had to install both just to get one. Not sure if that's the case anymore. I don't use either anymore. Got rid of any of my .mov files and screw iTunes.


RE: Eh?
By Moishe on 5/1/2009 3:36:12 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, especially if the details of what is happening are clearly listed right on the screen.

The problem is that people want everything their way and then whine when it doesn't happen. The only way to not be bashed is to wipe people's arses for them and hold their hand in every small way. Even then, if you happen to get something small slightly wrong, they'll turn against you at the drop of a hat. Nevermind that they're getting quality software for free. :)


RE: Eh?
By glitchc on 5/7/2009 3:37:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I remember when Quicktime and iTunes were slapped together and you had to install both just to get one. Not sure if that's the case anymore.


Still is. A darn shame at that. I will not install QuickTime on my PC simply because of all the extra ITunes crap that comes with it.


RE: Eh?
By Alexvrb on 5/1/2009 7:10:10 PM , Rating: 5
1) It clearly states that it will make IE8 the default browser. Can't get much simpler than that.

2) It takes (insert loading time of the (insert browser name) browser) seconds to correct the issue.

3) If they prompted you, people would probably complain about the extra unnecessary prompt. Therefore, Microsoft is simply screwed no matter what they do.

In conclusion, Microsoft has clearly snuck in a super secret backdoor browser lockdown protocol. We should upload Project Wet Pants to the Whingenet. Oh too late, already done.

Slightly OT: Dailytech needs another writer to provide a counterbalance here. Love him or hate him, Masher was good at that, and he provided lots of useful information, even though some people around here tried to demonize him as much possible. I miss his articles. I even miss his comments, even though they did tend to be polarizing and caused a lot of frothers to come out of the woodwork.


RE: Eh?
By Sulphademus on 5/8/2009 12:31:28 PM , Rating: 2
What did become of Masher?


RE: Eh?
By Sazar on 5/1/2009 11:09:30 PM , Rating: 3
Honestly, I think the EU is just going to fine MS regardless of the actions they take. They are still a cash-cow for the EU, with greater profits than Apple.

I do think Apple is in the cross-hairs though and they CONTINUE to bundle everything together with their ridiculous iTunes install option. If that wasn't infuriating enough, they also have the same bundles repeatedly offered when there is an "update".


RE: Eh?
By GodisanAtheist on 5/1/2009 3:04:10 PM , Rating: 5
No kidding, there is an art to blowing things out of proportion.

Just look at any major news network and their insane doomsday ranting concerning "Swine" Flu.


RE: Eh?
By walk2k on 5/1/2009 4:02:35 PM , Rating: 3
Jesus christ people take off your tinfoil hats, it's not a conspiracy.

Line 5 right there under the Express option there clearly says "default browser IE".

OMG MICROSFOT IS STEALING MY THOUGHTS WITH THE MIND CONTROL RAYS!!!111


RE: Eh?
By blueboy09 on 5/3/2009 2:17:54 AM , Rating: 1
Come on now, why all the bullshit about a damn install, if you prefer a browser that you just can't live w/o, just override it, it's that simple. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. Sheesh! - BLUEBOY


RE: Eh?
By Hardin on 5/4/2009 1:48:15 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously and isn't it a little strange that it's taking people this long to figure this out? Didn't IE8 come out like 2 months ago?


By Nekrik on 5/1/2009 2:37:04 PM , Rating: 5


and Håkon Wium Lie, Chief Technology Officer of browser-maker Opera, sounds like a whiny little bitch. "We have to sue, we can't compete so we need to try for the free meal".




By jmtabak on 5/1/2009 2:40:47 PM , Rating: 3
It keeps your existing setting from IE7.


By metaltoiletry on 5/1/2009 2:39:17 PM , Rating: 5
I second that.
quote:
DailyTech spoke with Håkon Wium Lie, Chief Technology Officer of browser-maker Opera. He comments on the development, "We see it as problematic that Microsoft uses Windows Server Updates to reset user settings... Microsoft still behaves as a monopolist. They use their Windows position to gain a dominant position in the browser market.

Thus ends the days of me using Opera. I will not support such an idiot. I loved using it too, god.


By Moishe on 5/1/2009 3:23:22 PM , Rating: 3
Yup.

Opera was easily better than IE, BUT Microsoft has a habit of learning, and they've learned to produce a good browser. Opera is still good, but so it IE and it didn't take much for MS to compete. Instead of dealing with it and innovating, the Opera team is whining and acting like the RIAA.


By Fritzr on 5/2/2009 7:50:39 PM , Rating: 2
Read what he said again. He did not mention the IE8 Express Install. He did mention the Server Updates. Also read the comments on Service Pack installs above. User's default settings are overridden silently and without notice. Windows Firewall is reset from disabled to automatic without permission or notice. Workaround is to get a copy of the Service Pack installer, edit it to change the settings it will use without notice and then install it. How many users even know they can edit the installer before using it? This is what Håkon seems to be complaining about.

I long ago learned never to use an "Express" install ... to many "bonus" programs and toolbars show up when Express install is used.


Not New
By Integral9 on 5/1/2009 3:17:40 PM , Rating: 2
Your default browser gets set back to IE every time you install a service pack for MS Office and probably Windows too. Also, your default mail client get's set to "lookOut" with the Office SPs. At least with this package, you're given an option... sort of. The SPs just do it w/out warning. Then you wonder why fricken lookOut pops up when you click an email link.




RE: Not New
By Jackattak on 5/1/09, Rating: 0
RE: Not New
By stubeck on 5/1/2009 4:57:47 PM , Rating: 3
Thats why I just use Group Policy where I work to take care of everything like that.


RE: Not New
By Jackattak on 5/1/2009 5:13:07 PM , Rating: 2
Don't we all. Not saying there are no ways around it, just saying that particular little caveat is annoying. It's certainly caught me off-guard on non-domain members and stand-alones.


RE: Not New
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 5/2/2009 10:59:11 AM , Rating: 3
You can also customize the deployment of your service pack to resolve that as well. Installing the plain jane service packs tend to flip to the most secure settings for a "home user". Businesses should be customizing their service packs prior to deployment.


RE: Not New
By DigitalFreak on 5/1/2009 5:00:10 PM , Rating: 4
Don't speak unless you know what you're talking about.

I just installed both Office 2007 SP2 and Vista SP2 in the last couple of days. Neither one touched my default browser setting (which is Firefox).


RE: Not New
By Integral9 on 5/5/2009 1:26:30 PM , Rating: 2
Congratulation on your first computer!

If what you say is true, I'm glad they fixed it...


Chances are...
By Spivonious on 5/1/2009 2:25:07 PM , Rating: 3
If someone has downloaded and is installing IE8, they're probably going to want it to be the default browser.

This is the first I've heard of this "controversy".




RE: Chances are...
By JDub02 on 5/1/2009 2:33:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is the first I've heard of this "controversy".

That's because it was just invented for this article.

Chances are if someone relies on the "express" installation settings, they're not using an alternate browser.


RE: Chances are...
By xti on 5/1/2009 4:47:33 PM , Rating: 1
or they just dont care what browser shows them porn.


RE: Chances are...
By BZDTemp on 5/1/2009 5:06:56 PM , Rating: 2
Not likely. I bet of lot of those downloading simply want to check it out.

Anyway I think making a big deal about what the express install option is over the top. It is much worse that some Windows update packets will make IE your default browser without any choice.


RE: Chances are...
By tjr508 on 5/1/2009 6:18:47 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Not likely. I bet of lot of those downloading simply want to check it out.


These folks can check out the custom install options as well.


hmm
By meepstone on 5/1/2009 2:25:00 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
We do believe Microsoft gives you the safest setting (for browsing).


lol




RE: hmm
By Motoman on 5/1/2009 4:03:49 PM , Rating: 2
I'll see your lol and raise you a rofl and an omfgwtfbbq.


RE: hmm
By teng029 on 5/1/2009 4:53:32 PM , Rating: 2
ok, i actually did lol at that last one. i'll even throw in an omgwtfpwndkkthxbye..


RE: hmm
By eddieroolz on 5/2/2009 7:45:04 AM , Rating: 2
You forgot the quack , my friend :)

quote:
omgwtfbbqquack


I hear that other programs are following suit
By Hudly on 5/1/2009 2:13:19 PM , Rating: 5
Maybe we should analyze the severity of this "controversy."

Seriously? Programs have been doing this forever. I always have to change the settings while installing a program. What's the big deal?




By Moishe on 5/1/2009 3:37:09 PM , Rating: 2
The only reason this is news is because people are stupid and feel entitled.


dailytech readers
By jmtabak on 5/1/2009 2:38:19 PM , Rating: 4
"For those confused, in order to switch the back to Firefox as your default (assuming you use Firefox) you can start by closing all instances of Internet Explorer 8 (you can use the task manager to help you verify they're all dead). Then you must open Firefox and click Tools, Options, then click the Advanced icon in the Options toolbar. Under the General tab, make sure that "Always check to see if Firefox is the default browser on startup" is enabled. Then click Check Now. A dialog should now appear, confirm that you want Firefox as your default browser by clicking OK."

I will go out on a limb and say dailytech readers probably know how to set their default browser. But thanks for the detailed description.




RE: dailytech readers
By jtesoro on 5/1/2009 11:20:43 PM , Rating: 2
It was actually very useful to me. Now will someone please explain to me the difference between left-click and right-click on this mouse controller device?


laze
By MamiyaOtaru on 5/1/2009 2:24:50 PM , Rating: 2
There's no reason they couldn't have checked for the current settings on install. Express option should have kept your current default search provider as set in IE7, and your default browser as currently set.




RE: laze
By the goat on 5/4/2009 8:00:06 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Express option should have kept your current default search provider as set in IE7, and your default browser as currently set.


This is clearly what I would have expected from an "express install" option. Why would the express choice default to changing settings that the user spend time customizing.


By Golgatha on 5/1/2009 2:31:49 PM , Rating: 4
Always choose the custom install option. For that matter, choose it for pretty much any other software out there if you don't want a few dozen different toolbars, gadgets, etc. on your computer.




And in other news:
By Ozziedogg on 5/1/2009 5:13:49 PM , Rating: 2
..... A man in the US complained today that after clicking a flashing screen on his web browser, spyware was installed on his computer. "When a web ad is offering a penis enlargement with free Viagra, then thats what I should damn well get", The man complained.




RE: And in other news:
By mindless1 on 5/1/2009 7:17:00 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... but if you think about it, why is there this double-standard that what can't happen IRL, on TV, or with other products can happen on the web or a PC?

While we need loose interpretations to help with technology growth, eventually the same standards of fairness have to be enforced, not only idealized.


Speaking of apple
By sprockkets on 5/1/2009 6:11:30 PM , Rating: 2
I'd like for them to be sued over having iTunes, Quicktime, and Safari installed on my laptop when all I did was update Bojour, and the only reason I have that is to configure stupid Apple routers that can't be arsed with using a web configuration page like the rest of the world.

And yes, I unchecked all of them and it still installed their software anyhow.




RE: Speaking of apple
By eddieroolz on 5/2/2009 7:42:35 AM , Rating: 2
Hell, I just asked for Safari and what do you know, they began automatically downloading iTunes and Quicktime on my computer.

I've been iTunes/Quicktime-free for 2 years and never looked back. All I wanted was Safari beta. I got bonjour forced upon me too.

Some companies...*rollseyes*


I don't understand...
By eddieroolz on 5/2/2009 7:39:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft still behaves as a monopolist. They use their Windows position to gain a dominant position in the browser market.


I'm sick and tired of Opera saying this to try to boost their 0.91% market share. The market that they keep talking about has spoken, and it chose Firefox, Safari and whatnot over Opera! They should focus on making the software that people want, not what they think is good!

And don't give me crap about the market not being educated, the ever-climbing share of Firefox says plenty that the market does know that there are alternatives.

Oh well, I guess if you can't make a nice product, then sue the competitor's ass off. Sadly it seems to work...




RE: I don't understand...
By leexgx on 5/3/2009 8:14:42 PM , Rating: 2
opera works well for me been useing it for years


IE 8.0
By frozentundra123456 on 5/2/2009 12:12:50 PM , Rating: 2
I am having trouble with IE 8.0 opening 2 windows on its own and locking up. When I open one window, a second one opens without my asking for it and then both windows are locked up. I can close them in task manager, but then the same thing happens again if I try to open IE. I am also getting some message about a program changing the default search engine. Is anyone else having this problem, and is it related to IE 8.0. I never had this problem until I installed IE 8.0. I have run windows defender, 2 antispy programs and AVG antivirus and can find no viruses or spyware.




RE: IE 8.0
By Fritzr on 5/2/2009 8:00:02 PM , Rating: 2
You're describing the normal behavior of a corrupted executable. Uninstall it and reinstall. It might be necessary to reinstall IE7 and then have a fresh IE8 update it.


Call me odd, but...
By DeuceHalo on 5/1/2009 3:58:34 PM , Rating: 3
Does anyone uncheck the box to have Firefox (or other browser) verify that it is the default browser upon startup? This really seems like a non-issue to me - anyone worried about this should be smart enough to always choose custom anyway.




Really?
By JDHack42 on 5/6/2009 3:43:56 PM , Rating: 1
You installed IE8. If you didn't want to use IE8 then why are you installing it?

People bitched and moaned about Vista's security confirmations. They streamline the IE8 installation and now people are b/m'ing again?

Go install Safari if you can't figure out how to switch your default browser...




RE: Really?
By JDHack42 on 5/6/2009 3:47:07 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, IIRC, when I installed IE8 I told it just to do it's thing. When I click a desktop link, it opens in Firefox. I guess that whole express intall switching my browser is broken, I want my money back...


By GaryJohnson on 5/1/2009 2:22:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It is apparent that the story is being overhyped slightly




Not a big deal
By munky on 5/1/2009 3:15:45 PM , Rating: 2
Those who care about what their default browser is should know better than installing something using the express option. I always install stuff using the custom option, since I already expect to get a bunch of useless garbage using the express option. Even more so if it explicitly says so in text.

On the other hand, the users typically choosing the express option wouldn't care one way or another what their default browser is.




By Jackattak on 5/1/2009 4:29:40 PM , Rating: 2
I can't imagine anyone who chooses the "express" options of any software provider, much less Microsoft, to use anything BUT Internet Exploder, so what's all the hullaballoo about?

I just installed IE8 (at home) this morning and without a second thought I chose the Advanced setup options. This is pretty standard, I would imagine, for anyone Power User or above in the world of computer users.

And FTR, I'm a devout FF user.




What a joke...
By Jeff7181 on 5/1/2009 4:48:05 PM , Rating: 2
If your biggest problem is IE8 getting set as your default browser because you weren't paying attention to what you were installing and what you were doing, you've got it pretty good.




By OoklaTheMok on 5/1/2009 5:40:02 PM , Rating: 2
How on earth can you say that setting IE as the default browser echos what Apple did?

Apple installed software that was completely unrelated to the software that the user was updating. Microsoft just create an "express" option that included setting the browser that the user had just installed to be the default browser. It's not like Microsoft installed MS Bob in the background while installing IE and then set MS Bob to be the default shell.




so in fact....
By swizeus on 5/1/2009 9:27:25 PM , Rating: 2
Most users are too stupid to understand what default browser is and how to change it so those vendors have to fight in the installation step just to grab more marketshare... foolish things, but that's marketing




Not as bad as slashdot
By GreenEnvt on 5/1/2009 9:35:24 PM , Rating: 2
unlike slashdot, the article isn't titled "Internet explorer resets your default browser, steals your food, and kills your cat!!!!!", but it's still a pointless article.

This software, to me at least, appears to behave exactly how it should. It gives you a "default" install option, and it even goes beyond most installers, it lists what choosing default/express will do. It also offers a custom option, where you can pick the settings as you want.

MS should be getting a pat on the back for this, not critisized.




By ira176 on 5/3/2009 1:25:54 AM , Rating: 2
This isn't brain surgery. It's in plain english, or whatever language IE8 you've downloaded. Just read the instructions, it's only a few lines. It's not like it's lengthy like an EULA. If people downloaded and installed IE8 and chose the express option which made IE8 default and now they're surprised that firefox doesn't automatically open, it's their own fault.




By bnutz on 5/4/2009 1:07:10 AM , Rating: 2
Do people read before they click next? This is the #1 way in which idiots get a virus and have other issues. They don't read a click next. It simply a clear give you a choice what you want. I love it when people but down windows or MS when they are the problem, its even funnier when those people switch to MAC and spend days at the genius bar.




Ridiculous
By Kyanzes on 5/4/2009 10:31:37 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not an MS fan, far from it, but frankly, when someone decides to install IE then surely there has to be some reason to it??? Like, say, the user wants to use it? Also, I believe, when someone is IT-literate enough to install a browser for testing/reviewing purposes than surely one would be able to set reset the default browser when needed.




Why?
By vertigo1 on 5/5/2009 5:27:52 AM , Rating: 2
Where is this going to stop?

Those who aren't particularly computer literate will usually use Internet Explorer as a default and those who are more knowledgeable will know how to set their favorite browser back. You can't blame Microsoft for tricking the user as with the Apple scenario as this is genuinely well meant AND clearly stated.




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