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Microsoft's executives have said there's essentially zero chance of seeing a Windows Phone 7 tablet.  (Source: Umang)

Windows Phone 7's "Metro" tiled theme is coming to Windows 8, though, which will be Microsoft's tablet OS of choice.  (Source: Microsoft)
Company is determined to push Windows 8 as the tablet solution of choice

Those hoping to see the slick tile-based Windows Phone 7 (WP7) mobile operating system grace tablets someday seem condemned to eternal disappointment.   Windows Phone president Andy Lees shot down the suggestion once more, speaking at Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Worldwide Partners Conference in Los Angeles, California.

"We view a tablet as a PC", Mr. Lee states.  He complains that using WP7 -- a mobile operating system -- on a tablet PC would be "in conflict" with Microsoft's vision.  

Microsoft's decision to stick to its guns in the face of user demand has drawn criticism from some.  They point out that Microsoft was pushing tablets as PCs five years ago, and controlled virtually all of the small tablet niche market.  With the iPad and the explosion in popularity it became clear that people didn't necessarily want a full PC in their tablet.  And yet that is exactly what Microsoft -- who now owns roughly a 1 percent share of the tablet market -- hopes to push.

For better or worse, though, the verdict appears final -- Microsoft's tablets will run Windows 8 late next fall, and until then will run Windows 7.

To be fair, Microsoft is making some serious changes to Windows 8 to make it more tablet friendly.  While it isn't putting WP7 on the tablet, it is incorporating WP7's Metro (active tile) theme into Windows 8.  So Windows 8 on the tablet will likely seem like a hybrid of WP7 and Windows 7.

Mike Angiulo, corporate vice president of Windows Planning, Hardware and PC Ecosystem at Microsoft says the goal of Windows 8 is to make the "user experience a natural extension of the device, from the time you turn on your PC through how you interact with the applications you know and love."

To that end Microsoft is working hard to make Windows 8 tablets and laptops easier to control with touch, easier to connect to networks, and easier to print documents wirelessly.  Microsoft is also focusing on converting Windows 8 to run on ARM architecture CPUs, which are dominating the mobile architecture landscape, much to the chagrin of rival x86 architecture chipmaker Intel Corp. (INTC).

While Windows Phone 7 drew generally enthusiastic reviews for its cutting-edge user interface, the phone has experienced little traction in recent months.  It is being grossly outsold by Apple, Inc. (AAPL) whose newest phone is over a year old.  And it's also being outsold by market leader Google Inc. (GOOG) whose plethora of Android smart phones have soared in sales.

Steve Ballmer remarked last week that WP7 sales had gone from "very small to very small."


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i don't get it...
By superPC on 7/13/2011 10:06:59 AM , Rating: 5
what does windows phone 7 have that windows 8 doesn't have? both share the same metro theme. both have live tiles. both have app store. so why would people want windows phone 7 instead of full windows 8 tablet? windows 8 can also run on ARM architecture but it has the advantage of running a desktop level OS. i just don't get why people still wants windows phone 7 on tablet. it can't be because of battery live or overall OS performance (things i could think of that might be better on WP 7 than windows 8), we know next to nothing about how windows 8 would perform. or is it because WP 7 is ready right now while we still have to wait for windows 8?

why do people still want a WP 7 tablet?




RE: i don't get it...
By AmbroseAthan on 7/13/2011 10:16:33 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
is it because WP 7 is ready right now while we still have to wait for windows 8?


It is as you said in your very last sentence. Windows 8 is all shiny and wonderful, but we are a year+ out on the release of the OS. Tablets are the hot commodity right now, so some people are wondering why MS is not working on something to get to market.

Personally I agree with MS delaying tablets until Windows 8 to jump into the game, so they have a more solid product at launch rather than tinkering WP7 into something it was not meant for.


RE: i don't get it...
By ApfDaMan on 7/13/2011 10:50:24 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
so they have a more solid product at launch rather than tinkering WP7 into something it was not meant for.


Agreed. the original samsung android tablet wasnt that great. microsoft wants an outstanding product, not a half arsed one.

I can see the tablet version of windows 8 being very WP7 like in its design but it would be silly to put such an OS on a tablet.


RE: i don't get it...
By B3an on 7/14/2011 12:12:15 AM , Rating: 1
All the Android tablets i've tried are pretty much cr*p, with exception of the Galaxy Tab. And i like Android. But it runs poorly and on tablets and it's still laggy (again Galaxy Tab does a better job here but not perfect), something that has been a MAJOR problem with Android since release is lag. Totally unacceptable. Now it finally has some hardware UI acceleration, but it's only partial and not good enough. WP7 and iOS run far smoother on lower hardware so theres no excuse.

From the builds if Win8 that i've used i've found them to run faster than Win7 on low spec hardware. Infact they easily run as good as XP does on old hardware, which is really impressive. But at the same time they run faster than XP on new hardware as it makes far better use of new tech.
I just think MS should get Win8 out in mid 2012, not the end of it, thats too far away and no matter how good it is it might be too late by then.


RE: i don't get it...
By Wiggy Mcshades on 7/13/2011 11:01:10 AM , Rating: 3
In reality they aren't a hot commodity. The public perception of tablets would have them as hot products flying off the shelves, but within the industry they're sorta flat lining. There's not even been a hand full of professionally made applications for android 3.x, and for a device that lives off of apps that's not a good sign. Things might turn around, but tablets right now could easily share the same fate as netbooks. Tablet shipments may be increasing, but most of the increase is attributed to iOS devices. That doesn't point to a healthy market, it just points to apple being apple.


RE: i don't get it...
By omnicronx on 7/13/2011 12:00:04 PM , Rating: 3
I'm not even an Apple appologist and I just have to laugh at all of these doom and gloom tablet stories.

They keep quoting Q1, which happened right after Christmas (which impacts all tablet makers as this is a common down time for electronics) and was in the lull period where Apple had announced the iPad 2 weeks before it was released.

Notice how even IDC whom first released the quarterly details is still predicting 50+ Million tablets being sold this year? (7.2*4 is ~25 million, that would imply they expect some great quarters going forward, which is most likely backed by grumblings from Apple in which the rumour is that sales have vastly rebounded since Q1)

Android tablet usage has also increased, they now hold around 1/3 of the market and are gaining fast with better tablets being released. So Apple really is no longer the only player in town either.

I would also like to point out that the netbook analogy is terrible when you consider that the tablet market has clearly cannibalized their sales and are at least semi direct competitors.

Thats a hot commodity in my books, at least for consumer electronics that have yet to really enter into the business space. Clearly still a complementary device, but I don't think they are going anywhere, anytime soon..


RE: i don't get it...
By Flunk on 7/13/2011 10:18:41 AM , Rating: 3
A very low hardware footprint. That's about it.


RE: i don't get it...
By Motoman on 7/13/2011 11:19:58 AM , Rating: 2
If you strap iPhones to your feet, you'll leave relatively small hardware footprints...


RE: i don't get it...
By borismkv on 7/13/2011 12:40:27 PM , Rating: 2
In the immortal words of Fozzy Bear:
"Wokka wokka wokka!"


RE: i don't get it...
By omnicronx on 7/13/2011 11:42:56 AM , Rating: 3
I think its quite simple, they are not the same and should be treated as such, whether you can do everything now in Windows Phone 7 is irrelevant.

It makes absolutely no sense to try and amass a userbase and developers that will essentially have to throw away most of their efforts when Windows 8 comes along.

Attempting a half baked Windows Phone 7 solution now would be a great way to shoot yourself in the foot and scare away prospective users and developers before your new OS is even released. Especially when you look at the coding differences i.e HTML5/Javascript based frontends that we will be seeing in Windows 8, its a completely different focus.


RE: i don't get it...
By kmmatney on 7/13/2011 12:04:45 PM , Rating: 3
"It makes absolutely no sense to try and amass a userbase and developers that will essentially have to throw away most of their efforts when Windows 8 comes along"

They already trying to get a mass of users and developers for their phones. This would be sharing that user base - like the iPhone and iPad user base.


RE: i don't get it...
By omnicronx on 7/13/2011 12:58:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They already trying to get a mass of users and developers for their phones. This would be sharing that user base - like the iPhone and iPad user base.
You are missing the point, Apple chose to share iOS between its phone and tablets, but that is not where MS has chosen go. Windows 8 WILL be the future of tablets for Microsoft.

That would imply that releasing a Windows Phone 7 based OS for tablets would merely be an interum solution, and everything you have developed or bought would be next to useless once Windows 8 tablets are released.

That's not a good way to entice developers or users. They have chosen their strategy, now they must follow it. Clearly MS believes they will be able to compete with their new tablet variant and are willing to wait for its release and not force themselves into the market with a interim solution that will completely lack short and long term support. (especially when you consider its these same users that will probably enticed to the new platform to begin with, alienating your prospective early adopters is not a good idea if you want your new platform to catch on)



RE: i don't get it...
By PrezWeezy on 7/13/2011 12:56:13 PM , Rating: 3
.NET runs on everything. You will be able to use WPF on Win 8 tablets, and .NET on the back end to create apps. Porting between one and the other is trivial at best. Porting between WP7 and Win7 is trivial now. Redo a bit of the front end for screen size differences and you're done.


RE: i don't get it...
By omnicronx on 7/13/2011 1:21:22 PM , Rating: 2
Porting from WPF? You mean the 2-3 applications that exist out there that use it well and don't eat up half your resources?

Seriously though, if you have been following Windows 8, the tablet interface is completely new and looks more like Metro-UI than Windows. You are not going to be able to port applications while maintaining the look and feel that is expected out of a tablet interface.

i.e you won't be able to port any current Windows application to the new tablet interface, at least not the frontend.(i.e your statement of 'redo a bit of the front end' is vastly incorrect)

We will know more come September, but for now we really have no idea what will and what will not be supported for the new interface. (if you've been following the story MS showed a weather application that was JS/HTML5 only that sent dev's into a frenzy)


RE: i don't get it...
By Taft12 on 7/13/2011 1:34:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
what does windows phone 7 have that windows 8 doesn't have?


Availability today. Microsoft is really dooming themselves in the mobile space by being so far behind the competition.


RE: i don't get it...
By vignyan on 7/13/2011 1:39:23 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, the question is

Why do people want a tablet? ;)


RE: i don't get it...
By Samus on 7/13/2011 1:56:36 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
what does windows phone 7 have that windows 8 doesn't have?


Cross-platform.

But I agree, if WP7 looks like Windows 8, why not just release the ready OS and capitalize on the tablet market while its still hot...because it already appears to be slowing down. It's not like the average consumer is going to 'know' or 'feel' a difference between WP7 and W8, unless Microsoft is keeping something secret, such as lack of app compatibility (ohh the horror)


Good Decision
By XZerg on 7/13/2011 10:38:21 AM , Rating: 2
This is a better choice as it would give Microsoft time to ensure that when Windows 8 comes out which will be also addressing the Tablet world, it does not confuse the hell out of the end-users for the difference between WP7 based and W8 based. Also Microsoft could potentially obsolete the WP OS and use the W8 variation to merge the overall development to minimize the cost and simplify cross compatibility across various devices.

It would be a Win-Win situation for end-users and Microsoft.

quote:
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them




RE: Good Decision
By ApfDaMan on 7/13/2011 10:52:12 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Also Microsoft could potentially obsolete the WP OS and use the W8 variation to merge the overall development to minimize the cost and simplify cross compatibility across various devices.


same kernel for phone, desktop, tablet and server OS's? fuckyeah.jpg


RE: Good Decision
By Taft12 on 7/13/2011 1:37:53 PM , Rating: 2
I suppose you're not a developer, but the kernel needn't be the same, just the API.


RE: Good Decision
By omnicronx on 7/13/2011 2:02:41 PM , Rating: 2
You would be surprised how many developers are never exposed to things this low level, especially Java and .Net programmers.


RE: Good Decision
By Skelum on 7/13/2011 10:53:39 AM , Rating: 2
Also, this seems to be a different strategy compared to iOS and Android.

Taking a desktop OS and bringing it to a tablet opposed to taking a phone OS... Time will tell if that was a good move...


RE: Good Decision
By Taft12 on 7/13/2011 1:36:53 PM , Rating: 2
I think we've officially gone into Bizarro world now as MS supporters are advocating MS do exactly what Apple has done.


RE: Good Decision
By Fritzr on 7/13/2011 2:02:37 PM , Rating: 2
Actually the opposite of what Apple has done

Apple created MacOS (OSX currently) and iOS. They used iOS on their tablet PCs.

Microsoft created WinOS and WinPhoneOS. They will use WinOS on their tablet PCs.

Apple tablets cannot run ANY desktop software.
Microsoft tablets WILL run almost all desktop software including Android & WinPhoneOS emulators which in turn will allow most of the Android App & WinPhone App libraries to run under WinOS.

From the point of view of this end user:
Microsoft made the better choice in terms of usability. Apple made the better choice in terms of engineering difficulty.

Utility sells devices FTW


By Ramstark on 7/13/2011 11:39:23 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with the views expressed in previous comments, the more integrated the OSs are (server, terminal, tablet and phone) the better for MS, as it will have the only not segmented, business ready OS in the market.
Nevertheless, they really have to rush it if they ant to catch the "hype" of tablets...soon, the market will be bored and confused of hearing so many Android options (some good, some horribly implemented) and of course, catching up with the "form factor/first hitter" iPad option.
I really expect to see a good W8 tablet at the end of the year, with hardware as interesting as the Asus Transformer or Acer Iconia.
Battery life could also be an issue, as ARM and Intel pushes the technology of power consumption forward, those tablets with a heavy OS will benefit from the push, leaving the "less powerful / limited functionality" ones behind.
Rush MS, RUSH!!




By bfr99 on 7/13/2011 12:27:32 PM , Rating: 2
It is quite likely that Windows 8 will spawn a Windows Phone 8 version. Presumably by the time Windows 8 arrives even cheap phones will have enough horsepower to make this feasible. However the boat might already have sailed on the high end phone market.
The tablet market is different. While Android has been successful on the phone market Android has not succeeded in the tablet market for two main reasons.
1. Tablet Android is still immature and buggy.
2. No normal person would get an Android tablet instead of an IPad unless the Android table was much cheaper.

So there may be an opportunity for MS in the tablet market with Windows 8.


By Fritzr on 7/13/2011 2:25:27 PM , Rating: 2
The business computer market had already set sail in the late 70s with Commodore targeting the business market & most of the other manufacturers advertising their business oriented applications.

Then IBM jumped in with a machine patched together from market ready parts and a crippled CP/M OS (PC-DOS 1.0). IBM decided not to purchase PC-DOS outright & with IBM's entrenched position in business computing the rest of the manufacturers were history.

Later, IBM-PC clone compatible versions of MS-DOS & other PC-DOS clones made Microsoft the front runner and IBM was history :P

In 1984/85, The Apple Lisa, Commodore's Amiga, Atari's ST introduced the world to the windowed operating system. These were de rigeur in professional graphic, video, and audio editing circles. Then Win 3.0 was released, followed shortly by Win 3.1 & Win 3.11.

Again Microsoft entered an existing market and using their entrenched position with MS-DOS destroyed the competition (okay Commodore blew itself up with internal disorder) and today only the Mac is taken seriously, and even that only in professional audio-visual applications. The Amiga lives on due to a fanatical user base and a few companies that still believe in it and MacOS is a minor player. Today it is a Wintel world.

Microsoft is hoping history will repeat itself. Android & iOS are creating a tablet market. Win8 is scheduled to take over the market that Microsoft's previous attempts failed to create :P

Success of Win8 Tablet Edition may be the thing that gives us a third major player in the chip market. Having Windows customers buying ARM devices will be a major boost in sales for ARM CPU manufacturers :D


Battery Life
By AlvinCool on 7/13/2011 10:49:32 AM , Rating: 2
I believe it's due to battery life on a tablet. I think the battery life of a device that size that constantly grabbing data would be dismal, and they know it. Rather than make a separate version of the phone operating system, that would cast doubt on their phone operating system power structure, they want to wait for windows 8




RE: Battery Life
By fredgiblet on 7/13/2011 8:44:20 PM , Rating: 2
Except that a desktop-derived OS (especially one from MS) will likely draw more power than WP7 does anyway.


Another delay?
By bupkus on 7/13/2011 5:18:14 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, perhaps it's a good idea to wait for 8, but...
the iPad is already so entrenched in the minds of the consuming public W8 could walk on water and still fizz out with sales.

After all these delays there still is no certainty a MS tablet will be a hit. Man, a fail here would be so hugely epic. Is W8 a gamble for MS or for Ballmer?




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