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Microsoft resets finish line to 100 million after winning the 10 million unit dash

According to the latest NPD console sales numbers, Microsoft holds the lead in terms of total current-generation console sales in the U.S. with 10 million Xbox 360 sold. Microsoft touted this number as being particularly significant as it believes the first to this milestone wins the generation overall.

“This year will be the largest in the history of the video game industry, with Xbox 360 leading the charge in the U.S. and abroad,” said Don Mattrick, senior vice president of the Interactive Entertainment Business in the Entertainment and Devices Division at Microsoft. “History has shown us that the first company to reach 10 million in console sales wins the generation battle. We are uniquely positioned to set a new benchmark for the industry.”

More than 19 million Xbox 360 consoles have sold worldwide – a number already eclipsed by the Nintendo Wii on the global scale with 25 million total units sold. The Wii with 8.8 million in the U.S. is also rapidly gaining on Xbox 360 and is selling at a quicker pace, despite having launched a year after Microsoft’s console. The PlayStation 3 has sold 4.1 million in the U.S., with a total of more than 12 million worldwide.

One area that the Xbox 360 is the undisputed leader in is the online space, where there are currently more than 12 million Xbox Live subscribers.

“Perhaps more important is the Xbox 360 worldwide online base – 12 million Xbox Live gamers is the largest community in the connected console games sector, which represents the greatest growth opportunity in the console market and where Microsoft has been the leader for two generations,” commented Billy Pidgeon, research manager at IDC.

With the 10 million mark under its belt, Microsoft appears to now be resetting the finish line at 100 million. Microsoft Games Studios corporate VP Shane Kim said in a Wired|Game|Life interview that the console war will finally be decided “When somebody's well on their way to reaching 100 million units.”

Microsoft may have a problem reaching the 100 million mark ahead of its competitors if the Japanese market isn’t buying the Xbox 360, where the console has yet to sell 1 million units. “Well, we've always known that we weren't going to win in Japan, right?,” Kim replied. “And I think we can build a very good business, an exciting business with a pretty big installed base with success in places like North America and Europe. Even though you may not think it's big numbers, we're actually strong in Latin America as well. Canada's been a big market for us as well. So there are ways to get the scale.”

“Now, if you don't get 10 million units in Japan, can you get to 100 million units overall? I'd love to get 90 million units and have that problem. That's what we're really trying to focus on,” Kim added. “I think it's way too early to declare a winner.”



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Yeah right
By FingerMeElmo87 on 5/22/2008 2:04:25 PM , Rating: 3
i love my 360 dearly but the Wii is well on its way to taking that 100million crown. sorry M$, lets be realistic




RE: Yeah right
By TerranMagistrate on 5/22/2008 2:15:58 PM , Rating: 5
And not to mention:

quote:
“This year will be the largest in the history of the video game industry, with Xbox 360 leading the charge in the U.S. and abroad,


...which is simply untrue. The PS3 and especially the Wii are leading the Xbox 360 in all territories outside the U.S.


RE: Yeah right
By 16nm on 5/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Yeah right
By thebrown13 on 5/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Yeah right
By daftrok on 5/22/2008 6:56:44 PM , Rating: 2
....I'm sorry what? Didn't the Wii come out a year after the 360? Just cuz its not HD doesn't mean its past gen.


RE: Yeah right
By OblivionMage on 5/22/2008 8:08:32 PM , Rating: 3
I don't agree with him/her, Wii is seventh generation, but the comment probably was referring to the Wii's hardware being very close in resemblance to the Gamecubes, and being lesser in comparison to the original Xbox.


RE: Yeah right
By Alexstarfire on 5/22/2008 8:51:00 PM , Rating: 4
Yea, well we don't need to get in that argument AGAIN. Let's face it, the Wii is competing with the 360 and PS3 whether you want to believe it or not. Either way, I'm not sure if any console is going to hit 100 million before the next-gen comes out. I mean, I don't believe the PS2 has hit 100 million yet and it's been selling well for years.


RE: Yeah right
By Alexstarfire on 5/22/2008 9:04:10 PM , Rating: 2
oops, guess I can't read. PS2 broke 100 million well over a year ago.


RE: Yeah right
By rudy on 5/22/2008 11:02:01 PM , Rating: 4
none of this matters all 3 companies are already profitable in a short time. There will be no loser the gaming market is just that huge now. The real question is when will more companies realize that there is probably still more room and jump into the market. It is amazing to think that in past console wars at least 1 always got beat down to the point you almost never heard about it but after years these 3 are still selling like crazy and becoming something you can find on almost every block. And I imagine they will all do great through out their life since none are stuck in a money losing position.


RE: Yeah right
By Mitch101 on 5/23/2008 12:43:53 AM , Rating: 4
I agree cant we be happy there are 3 game console companies. There are hardly 3 sound card producers, video card companies, processor companies, etc any more.

I kind of feel each one of the consoles serves a certain demographic instead of being an end all be all specific winner. To each thier own and Game On.


RE: Yeah right
By StevoLincolnite on 5/23/2008 1:19:07 AM , Rating: 3
There are 3 CPU Companies in the x86 arena, Intel, AMD and Via.
There are also 4 Graphics card company's for the Desktop, they are Matrox, nVidia, ATI/AMD and S3, with Intel soon to jump on board the Discreet Graphics card market.

Sound Card Producers are:
Creative, C-Media, Via and Realtek.

quote:
I kind of feel each one of the consoles serves a certain demographic instead of being an end all be all specific winner. To each thier own and Game On.


I agree, I have all 3 consoles, but because of my mature age, I find myself playing on the Xbox 360 rather than the Wii more often than not, unless I have friends over.
So far, the games I have on the 360 are GTA IV, Naruto: Rise of the Ninja, Assassins Creed, Gears of War, Halo 3, Turok, Perfect Dark Zero, CoD4 and a few others, where as the Wii I have party games like Mario Kart, Wii Sports, and the PS3 is just a great HTPC, but I will be picking up games like Final Fantasy for it in the future.

The thing is, the Wii is selling rather quickly, the PS3 is gaining momentum, and the Xbox 360 has a larger game attachment rate than the other consoles.

Personally it's a win/win situation for the consumers, as we get more choice, and thats always a good thing, and because of the fierce competition between the company's they are constantly adding firmware updates to enable new features, something that never happened in the previous generations.


RE: Yeah right
By TheOneStorm on 5/23/2008 8:18:40 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget Razer sound cards... :)


RE: Yeah right
By Rouke on 5/23/2008 10:00:02 AM , Rating: 3
I don't agree with you concerning Hardware producing:

AMD & Intel are indeed CPU companies. But Via can't be taken seriously anymore. Take IBM instead (all consoles have one) Supercomputers as well.

And in the Graphics Arena contemplating power and market-ratio: Intel is the biggest allready: office on-chip units.
Matrox & S3 chips can't be taken seriously there either.

concerning your story on the console race I think your partilly right..


RE: Yeah right
By LemonJoose on 5/23/08, Rating: -1
RE: Yeah right
By Alexstarfire on 5/24/2008 8:55:03 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, somebody hates Nintendo.


RE: Yeah right
By Clauzii on 5/26/2008 11:41:47 AM , Rating: 2
... and SONY.


RE: Yeah right
By PianoMan on 5/24/2008 1:06:02 PM , Rating: 2
You're right in that the three game systems are not in the same niche. The 360 and PS3 were made for gamers (like me). The Wii was made for EVERYONE else in the family.

Last time I checked, I was outnumbered.

The Wii is in a GREAT market position - it's got an unmatched growth base that it's already capitalizing on. Hopefully Nintento can keep up the quality of games for it.

Disclosure: owns a 360 and Wii.


RE: Yeah right
By orphen193 on 5/25/2008 2:39:55 PM , Rating: 2
I dont want to crash your world man but the gamecube's hardware was the best of the last gen..i think thats why Nintendo knows that selling consoles is not about how good your games look, also I am a hardcore PC gamer and I don't have a 360 nor a ps3 but I do have a wii and I do a lot of side gaming on that like brawl and Dragon ballz and a few others and I dont know what it takes for a console to be a "hardcore gamers" system but I see the wii as I see the 360 and ps3.. and the answer will shock you... and thats a gaming console.


RE: Yeah right
By Alexstarfire on 5/26/2008 9:51:35 AM , Rating: 2
That may be your opinion, but that's not the facts. The PS2 whooped everyone else's ass, hands down.


RE: Yeah right
By Sandok on 5/23/2008 4:07:47 AM , Rating: 2
The USA is one of the largest markets in the world, so it doesn't matter what happens outside as much.

Anyways, as a European, I will say that we suck given the way Sony has crippled the PS3 here, overpriced it and yet, we still buy it...

The world isn't fair ;)


RE: Yeah right
By TheOneStorm on 5/23/2008 8:21:58 AM , Rating: 2
Largest market? The US is only the "largest market" for the X360. The Wii has sold 25 mil worldwide, and only 8.8 mil there? There's a large Japanese market somewhere in there.

I wouldn't be as quick to say we're the largest market. The US is just the largest market for [the only] US manufacturer.


RE: Yeah right
By Alexstarfire on 5/24/2008 8:57:03 AM , Rating: 2
Well, it is the SINGLE largest market. I mean, you might talk about the EU, but that's not a country. China and India would be if they weren't so poor and/or stopped pirating.


RE: Yeah right
By joemoedee on 5/23/2008 10:16:29 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
..which is simply untrue. The PS3 and especially the Wii are leading the Xbox 360 in all territories outside the U.S.


It's proof that you can twist just about any number to make it work to your advantage.

It's a marathon race. Currently, the Wii is leading. 360 is second, PS3 is gaining on them.

MS's strong places are North America and the United Kingdom.

The 360 has sold well in NA, however, the sales rate is not much better than what the original Xbox accomplished.

The questions that MS needs to focus on, to "win"...

How many PS2 or GC owners have converted to 360 owners? -- Xbox sold 24 million, give or take. PS2 looking like it will do 120 million, maybe more. Obviously some owned both, but even if EVERY PS2 owner also owned an Xbox, that's still roughly 100 million that they did not sell to, give or take.

How many did not own a 6th gen console that subsequently purchased the 360? -- I'm certain the Wii is going to own this, but they do need to attract the not "typical gamer" to reach such a lofty sales goal.

How many 360 owners were/are owners of the original Xbox? -- We know there's a fair share of MS "fanboys" out there. MS needs to keep them happy as they will be their staunchest supporters.

... For Sony to win?

Keep their current installed base eating the Sony dogfood. That is enough to "win".

Nintendo?

Obviously keep on their current pace and they'll "win". To do so, they'll have to continue to bring out the mass market games to cover the diverse userbase, but also do enough to keep the more "hardcore" gamers entertained. (Zelda, Metroid, Mario, and actual good 3rd party games) As the other two systems come down in price, I do believe you will see a slowing in Wii system sales. At that point, it will be all on the software to maintain the pace.

I do think the market can successfully support all three consoles, but feel it's going to be Wii/PS3 battling for number 1, with the 360 in third in total system sales when it's all said and done. Also a third place finish should not be considered a failure, as long as it doesn't go all Dreamcast on us. :)


RE: Yeah right
By gaakf on 5/22/2008 2:17:01 PM , Rating: 1
I agree. I was expecting to read about a new announced price cut for the summer season. How else does Microsoft plan on beating Wii to 100 million milestone? It ain't happening any other way.


RE: Yeah right
By MrX8503 on 5/22/2008 2:26:58 PM , Rating: 4
Lol since when is the console war a foot race? If I'm not mistaken the console that has the most sales worldwide wins, not who gets to an arbitrary number first.

I guess Microsoft never heard of the Wii, which has beaten the X360 in worldwide sales, despite being out a year late.

Also I guess MS is proud of their ever so not popular X360 in Japan as its selling so well there. Not sure what they mean by abroad success.


RE: Yeah right
By afkrotch on 5/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Yeah right
By michael2k on 5/22/2008 3:56:45 PM , Rating: 1
If you could care less, why don't you?

And "well rounded" games usually take a year or two, so this year for the XBox and PS3 and next year for the Wii. You also discount the Wii if you don't consider Zelda, Metroid, Smash Brothers, Pokemon, and Resident Evil as not mini-ish games.

Who would you call the leader? The one making the most money. Right now that is Nintendo.

You'll be sad when the Wii wins, but at the current rate that is what appears to be happening. MS and Sony ARE selling Lambos and Ferraris, while Nintendo is selling Miatas.

There is no game you can release on the PS3 or XBox that you cannot also release on the Wii if you are willing to scale down the resolution; unfortunately the reverse is not true if you rely on the Wii-mote. You cannot release any Wii-specific games without also releasing a new controller for the XBox 360 or PS3.


RE: Yeah right
By OblivionMage on 5/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Yeah right
By michael2k on 5/22/2008 4:05:53 PM , Rating: 3
From a shareholder perspective, making the most money means continued development of the platform.

From a developer standpoint, making the most money means staying in business.

So if MS and Sony both make less money than Nintendo, they will have less resources for the next round than Nintendo. Which means when Nintendo releases a HD Wii with built in projector and 3D presence sensor, invalidating the need for controllers or TVs, they win because no one will need anything else, while Sony makes money selling BluRay discs and Microsoft makes money selling arcade games online.


RE: Yeah right
By OblivionMage on 5/22/2008 5:19:59 PM , Rating: 4
Except that Microsoft is a much bigger company then Nintendo, and net losses in their very small (compared to their OS) console entertainment division (Although the 360 is now making money) are much less of a problem then in Nintendo.

The 360 and the PS3 were originally priced to sell consoles, not to make money, whereas the Wii really was priced to make money (And engineered to, reusing/slightly altering many things present in their last-gen console).


RE: Yeah right
By michael2k on 5/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Yeah right
By OblivionMage on 5/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Yeah right
By michael2k on 5/22/2008 6:26:49 PM , Rating: 2
The extensive RRoD issues probably eroded all the shine they gained from the XBox endeavor. Last I checked XBox has 1/3 of the installed base, compared to 44% for Nintendo, so yes it has gained them significant marketshare. However it hasn't given them commensurate profits as they are far and away behind Nintendo.

And no, Nintendo can't afford to sell at $130 because they are sold out. They could afford to raise the price $10 and probably still sell out. If that is the case, what is the point of selling a Wii for $130? At least this way they sell out AND make a profit.


RE: Yeah right
By OblivionMage on 5/22/08, Rating: -1
RE: Yeah right
By robinthakur on 5/23/2008 7:11:29 AM , Rating: 1
I think you're grasping at straws here. You seem to imply above that since MS is a bigger company, their name proceeds them and gives people confidence in the hardware and the platform offered. This does to a degree as long as MS are doing well...

The long-running RROD issue, which has not been fixed, merely band-aided with dollar bills, together with their current issues in the OS sector means that there is less money coming in to offset any losses from the console division. Then there is the $1bn write down for the warranty extension. Shareholders will be concerned that the gaming division is costing them more than its worth to MS. Getting your name out there is one thing, but eventually this must be translated into profit, and this has not really happened. This is a division which is pretty much a vanity project by MS to take the PC gaming market away from the PC and stomp its competitors into the ground, powered by cash, and so far, I'm pleased to say this strategy has not worked. This strategy is not good for gaming in general. The problem with taking a market like the pc and transplanting it to the console world is that you have a thin range of genres available on pc. The more diverse types you probably can't comfortably play with a gamepad. You also split the userbase into hardcore and ultra hardcore who refuse to play on consoles and are happy with their tr-SLI, further narrowing the PC gaming market. This means that the 360 primarily appeals to the more hardcore gamers than the mass-market and I don't see this changing. Whenever they try something like Viva Pinata or Blue Dragon which has got mass market appeal, there is a deafening silence when they work out that since the console hasn't sold squat in Japan and the non-hardcore FPS types typically bought the Wii instead, that there isn't a huge target audience. Its a chicken and Egg situation. They have failed in Japan. Failure is a bad smell, and hard to wash off. Ask Sony.

Nintendo meanwhile has probably been storing its cash in huge Godzilla-proof reservoirs somewhere in Osaka and has a more consistent focus on console games and hardware development because that's all they do. The Wii is still sold out pretty much everywhere in the UK and the games as well, mario Kart and Wii Fit in particular are incredibly difficult to find in the shops.

Whilst I think big N might be controlling supply a little, the genuine fact is that the Wii has not lost momentum so far and looks like it will accomplish all it set out to do * infinity. It is genuinely popular. Dev's have barely scratched the surface of what they can do with the Wiimote and I admire Nintendo's dependable focus on making a profit with its hardware. It means that they don't use tech which either is in a immature/expensive state and it means that developers have time to exploit it more if they put in the effort. The PS3 and the Xbox 360 have such hugely different and vastly complex internals, it will take years to fully exploit them and probably longer than their shelf life. Games for them are vastly more expensive to develop and take far longer to see the market. This means that they are a far bigger gamble. Given the Wii's selling substantially better *worldwide* and seemingly to capture the public's imagination, lower RRP for games and the more forgiving nature of the target consumer, i would imagine that its a no brainer to develop for it.

I own all three consoles and am therefore able to argue dispassionately on the current state of play. I held shares in Nintendo since 2003. Cough.


RE: Yeah right
By rubbahbandman on 5/22/2008 6:52:45 PM , Rating: 3
Nintendo doesn't have to drop the Wii's price AT ALL until they start noticing their consoles staying on the shelves for weeks at a time. At the current price the average Wii is sold within a day if not hours upon shipment, so to think they would sell more Wii's by dropping the price is an entirely foolish decision that won't create any additional sales and would result entirely in reducing profit margins.

Without a doubt the Wii is the winner of this console generation in terms of sheer profit and market dominance. Sure, you could argue their games are worse than the Ferrari consoles, but you could also say World of Warcraft sucks, but that doesn't matter since WoW makes more money than small countries with the same going for Nintendo.

Also, in reference to a comment you made above, I believe Microsoft is a much smaller company than Nintendo with regards to the gaming sector. Microsoft may have ~$280 billion market cap versus Nintendo's ~$85 billion, but Nintendo is 100% gaming while Microsoft's gaming department is insignificant compared to the rest of the company. And believe me, Microsoft shareholders will not be happy to see billions more thrown into gaming...


RE: Yeah right
By afkrotch on 5/23/08, Rating: 0
RE: Yeah right
By afkrotch on 5/23/2008 1:22:46 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Who would you call the leader? The one making the most money. Right now that is Nintendo.


Right now, I don't call any of them the leader. It's way to early to declare anyone a winner. The leader is the one to garner the most 3rd party support.

quote:
There is no game you can release on the PS3 or XBox that you cannot also release on the Wii if you are willing to scale down the resolution; unfortunately the reverse is not true if you rely on the Wii-mote. You cannot release any Wii-specific games without also releasing a new controller for the XBox 360 or PS3.


GTAIV is a good example of a game that would have to be completely recreated for the Wii, much like all the latest games to grace the 360 and PS3.

With majority of games, they are going for higher graphics. Do you think Crysis, R6 Vegas 2, etc are going to be remade to work on a Geforce 4? Geforce FX? Doubt they will, but that's what you think devs are going to do for the Wii? The thing is essentially running on Gamecube hardware that's been clocked slightly higher. Overclock a Gamecube and you have the Wii hardware.

How many different controllers have you seen released for various consoles? The PS2 probably had the widest variety of controllers out of every single console made. They simply threw the controller in with the game.

If they wanted to port Wii games that required a speciality controller, they'd do it. As of right now, the PS3 has a two types of regular controllers, a remote, guitar, drums, microphone, gun, steering wheel, video cam, standard usb keyboard, standard usb mouse, and who knows what else will show up. Not to mention the multitude of 3rd party hardware to allow the use of PS2 controllers on the PS3.

Either way, if you're gonna waste the time to rewrite a 360/PS3 game for the Wii, why couldn't they waste their time doing it for a Wii game to the 360/PS3?


RE: Yeah right
By Alexstarfire on 5/24/2008 9:04:30 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps you know something that I don't, but I doubt it'd have to be "recreated" to be on the Wii. Of course, that depends on what you mean by "recreate." If you mean by having to rewrite code.... then DUH. You'd have to do that to port it to any system, including the PC, since none of them have the same hardware. Naturally they'd have to modify the controls, but that can easily be done. Space constrains? Obviously non-existent if it's on the 360 since it and the Wii use DVDs.

In short nothing has changed when it comes to porting games. It's going to be just as hard to convert a 360 game to PS3 as it would the Wii, and likewise convert a Wii game to the 360 or PS3.


RE: Yeah right
By OblivionMage on 5/22/2008 3:59:23 PM , Rating: 2
Wii = Party/Innovative
360 = All-rounded, online, game selection
PS3 = Blu-ray, More anime games?


RE: Yeah right
By Clauzii on 5/22/2008 6:04:49 PM , Rating: 1
More Anime?

When the programmers can utilize the full potential of streaming textures etc. directly from the disc (not only cut-scenes and such..), I'll think it's more of EVERYTHING, not just anime ;)


RE: Yeah right
By OblivionMage on 5/22/2008 6:21:22 PM , Rating: 1
Except the whole 'Blu-ray can hold bigger (25gb) game files!' doesn't count for much because of the slowwwwness of the Blu-ray. I guess it does have more built in features and much more compatibility with USB devices and such.


RE: Yeah right
By joemoedee on 5/23/2008 9:55:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Except the whole 'Blu-ray can hold bigger (25gb) game files!' doesn't count for much because of the slowwwwness of the Blu-ray.


The PS3's Blu Ray drive is 2x, which can do 9 MB/s. If my calculations are right... it's about the "7x" DVD-Rom would do, and around what a "50x" CD-Rom would do. I'm unsure if that will be a totally limiting factor.


RE: Yeah right
By OblivionMage on 5/23/2008 4:01:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer. Ps3's 2x blu-ray drive read at a constant 9 MB/s no matter if it is dual layer or single layer.

360's 12x DVD-rom drive It read at fluxuating rates. For single layer it reads 9.25MB/s through 15.85MB/s averaging around 10.25MB/s. In Double layer it reads 4.36MB/s through 10.57MB/s averaging around 7.93MB/s

Here is the source for the DVD-rom drive http://www.hitachi.us/supportingdocs/support/manua...

Here is the source for the Blu-ray drive http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/


And since most 360 games are double layered, they read faster overall. Also, many PS3 games have to install themselves onto the harddrive to play because the disc reader is too slow (Heavenly Sword, for example, does this).


RE: Yeah right
By Alexstarfire on 5/24/2008 9:06:39 AM , Rating: 2
Sure, 2x might equal 7x in sequential reading, but when it comes to seek times.... it can hurt.


RE: Yeah right
By zensonic on 5/24/2008 10:35:02 AM , Rating: 2
But when you make stuff on a pressed media, you can optimize 90% af all seeks away. And if that is not enough you could, once, during installtion, use the built in harddrive of the PS3. So it really is a non-issue how big seek time the blueray drive has wrt. the PS3 and gameplay. Or atleast should be. Bad programmers exists everywhere...


RE: Yeah right
By Alexstarfire on 5/26/2008 9:59:13 AM , Rating: 2
I feel that's just retarded though. Sure, you might think it's great to have an HDD in your console, but I don't. My console should not become my second PC. I say if it can't play off the disc then it's not a true console, in my eyes at least. I mean, if you get to the point where your "console" installs a game onto an HDD then you've really made nothing but a single tasked PC with set hardware. Honestly, you think it'd be all that difficult to convert games to automatically install, if it's not already, and subsequently play on your computer. Granted that may have to be built into the setup on the game disc, but it'd still be a cake walk.


RE: Yeah right
By afkrotch on 5/23/2008 1:40:04 PM , Rating: 2
A lot of games enable installation of games onto the hard drive to make up for the slow drive. Many of the games I own support this. I dropped in a 160 gb drive for $80 too, so I'm good on storage. The games I've installed take around 2-4 gb of space.

At least I'm not stuck with a $170 120 gb hard drive like the 360. Mine still stuck on a 20 gb and I'll be damned if I pay $170 for a 120 gb drive.


RE: Yeah right
By Schrag4 on 5/22/2008 4:16:36 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I could care less how many it sells. If it doesn't have well rounded set of games, it's not going to sell.


Your post was good for a laugh!
So, even if the Wii sells more consoles than the XBox or PlayStation3, if it doesn't have a well rounded set of games then it won't sell? I'm not sure I follow...

Also, at the risk of starting another flame war which has been beaten to death, your comments sound a lot like an Apple fanboy saying that Apple is winning the personal computer war because their products are better in some way, even though they command a very small market share.

I'm sorry, but if a company outsells its competitor by leaps and bounds, then it's winning. Just because YOU don't like their product doesn't mean that the product isn't selling. Oh, and by the way, just to avoid speculation, I don't own any of the 'current generation' consoles, but I'm leaning more toward a Wii because I have small kids, and I think the games like bowling, tennis, etc. where your motion is at play would be fun. If I want to shoot baddies I'll play on my gaming PC with a mouse which gives me superior control.


RE: Yeah right
By jtesoro on 5/23/2008 8:04:48 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
I could care less how many it sells. If it doesn't have well rounded set of games, it's not going to sell.


That's just like this restaurant I know. If they weren't crowded with customers all the time, they'd have a lot more business!


RE: Yeah right
By Bender 123 on 5/22/2008 5:01:38 PM , Rating: 3
There are a lot more minivans on the road than Lambos/Ferraris...

Same in computers. Many more people have Compaq/HP/Dell than they have Apples and Alienware, but I would not call them failures so much as different strokes for different folks.


RE: Yeah right
By Gatt on 5/22/08, Rating: -1
RE: Yeah right
By mikefarinha on 5/22/2008 2:56:07 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Personally, I think it's selling on gimmick factor


Just because you are ignorant of why something is successful doesn't invalidate it's success.


RE: Yeah right
By Smartless on 5/22/2008 3:20:56 PM , Rating: 1
You know both of you make sense and I'm leaning more towards the Wii being the winner but I'm starting to wonder if there's some truth to the gimmick factor. I mean unless Nintendo continues to release creative new products that use accessories up the yin-yang they may have a problem. I always hear people awaiting the release of A game where as the Wii has to release Wiifit with a balance board and Mario Kart with a steering wheel. I think Nintendo is missing the hard-core gamer market. Most of my friends who own a Wii don't play it every night and are back to playing Madden. But that's just my 2 cents.


RE: Yeah right
By Solandri on 5/22/2008 3:50:17 PM , Rating: 3
A few points:

Game sales matter less to the Wii since unlike the other two Nintendo is probably making money off each console sale.

I agree the Wii's lagging game sales probably has to do with the market. Nintendo sought to expand beyond the hardcore gamer market, and that's what they got. What remains to be seen is if it takes longer to saturate that market than the hardcore market.

Hours spent playing per night is a pointless metric from a sales standpoint. It is partly relevant for online gaming, but even there the preference is usually for casual gamers who pay just as much but only login a few hours a month instead of 10 hours a day.

Remember that the Xbox360 and PS3 have their own gimmick factor too - they have substantially more powerful graphics and higher resolution than the Wii.

Sales figures as of March/April 2008 are:
Wii - 24.45 million in 16.5 months (1.48m per month)
Xbox360 - 19 million in 28 months (0.68m per month)
PS3 - 13 million in 17 months (0.76m per month)

I couldn't find month-to-month sales figures so we can't see trends. But it's important to remember the Xbox 360 has been for sale a year longer than the other two. In a race to 100 million, there's a good possibility the Xbox 360 could finish last (if it finishes at all). Also unknown is how many of those PS3 sales are to people who wanted a Blu-ray player which could also play some games.


RE: Yeah right
By slacker57 on 5/22/2008 3:56:05 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
I think Nintendo is missing the hard-core gamer market. Most of my friends who own a Wii don't play it every night and are back to playing Madden.


I'm pretty sure that the fact your friends' default game is Madden automatically disqualifies them from being hardcore.


RE: Yeah right
By Smartless on 5/22/2008 4:19:12 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah got me there. Though I had to group them since the 3 guys that play Gears of War are now buying PS3s because their Xboxs crapped out on them. lol


RE: Yeah right
By BansheeX on 5/22/2008 8:34:15 PM , Rating: 2
It's selling because it has games targeting non-gamers with content they're already familiar with (sports/dancing/fitness) and a controller that translates movements they're already familiar with. Couple that with an Apple-like design and marketing strategy that doesn't even put "Nintendo" prominently on the box anymore, and you've got a hot trendy product. And we already know the Nintendo fans are buying it to save both princesses for the 70th time.

I mean, I don't see any soccer moms and retirees playing R:FOM online, do you? Oh, wait, they're probably waiting for MGS4, right? My bad.


RE: Yeah right
By shuyin on 5/23/2008 1:52:29 PM , Rating: 2
I couldn't of said it better myself.


RE: Yeah right
By xti on 5/22/2008 3:14:47 PM , Rating: 2
if each of us had a dollar for everytime this was blindly brought up...we could work on everyones social skills with beer.

oh and duh with a wii.


RE: Yeah right
By Adonlude on 5/22/2008 3:38:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Personally, I think it's selling on gimmick factor, as the games aren't all that different from what was on the previous iterations and Nintendo wasn't number 1 then.


Either you don't know what gimmick means or you are blind to the reasons for the Wii's success.

A gimmick is a useless special feature added just for the sake of having a special feature. The super popular Wii interface is an industry changing special feature responsible for the Wii's success.


RE: Yeah right
By Clauzii on 5/22/2008 6:18:53 PM , Rating: 2
Totally agree. And the Wii controllers can be used with a PC for some quite amazing user-interfaces normally costing a LOT more.

The Wii will probably hit 100m before any of the others, unless it's meeting saturation, which I don't think will happen, considering that the Wii is the least expensive of the three - by a large margin.


RE: Yeah right
By AlphaVirus on 5/22/2008 4:31:41 PM , Rating: 2
I totally agree the Wii is a gimmick and I also agree about the 3rd party games. You fail to realize though Nintendo has made a killing off of its 1st and 2nd party games, almost all sell over a million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_...
Wii games sold - 140 mil
PS3 - 70 mil
360 - ?

I also guess the reason Sony is able to take a beating from the PS3's low standing is because check out those PS1 and 2 sales.
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2sof...
PS1 - 962mil games sold since 3/31/07
PS2 - 1.24bil games sold since 3/31/07
Gamecube - 208mil
N64 - 225mil


RE: Yeah right
By LostInLine on 5/22/2008 5:39:52 PM , Rating: 1
You mean "through" not "since"

The data is cumulative.


RE: Yeah right
By glitchc on 5/23/2008 5:37:35 AM , Rating: 2
"Since" is correct as the statistic mentions a date as the starting point for collection of data, with the end being the ever-present now. The data is still cumulative.


RE: Yeah right
By Locutus465 on 5/22/2008 2:31:53 PM , Rating: 3
Honestly I would judge the winner more by units of software sold not hardware (ms currently leads here). At least from where sit it seems like the "winner" of this generation is going to be the one that makes the most money for software developers, because the platform developers make the most money on is going to influence what platform they plan on primarly supporting next gen.... Look at the PS3, it took months for developers to realize they weren't going to see the kind of sales they saw with PS2 and were currently seeing on 360.


RE: Yeah right
By toonces on 5/22/2008 7:23:12 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Honestly I would judge the winner more by units of software sold not hardware (ms currently leads here). At least from where sit it seems like the "winner" of this generation is going to be the one that makes the most money for software developers , because the platform developers make the most money on is going to influence what platform they plan on primarly supporting next gen.... Look at the PS3, it took months for developers to realize they weren't going to see the kind of sales they saw with PS2 and were currently seeing on 360.


Balmer, is that you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE


RE: Yeah right
By Parhel on 5/22/2008 2:36:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it's a bit of a Hillary Clinton style victory.


RE: Yeah right
By Samus on 5/22/2008 2:40:19 PM , Rating: 2
They are betting everyone who wants a Wii will soon have one, so their sales will hastefully decline in the near future.


RE: Yeah right
By newcastlenellie on 5/22/2008 3:11:50 PM , Rating: 2
and of course that wont happen for the 360 or the ps3........


RE: Yeah right
By Parhel on 5/22/2008 3:23:04 PM , Rating: 3
Only if we count the Michigan and Florida consoles.


RE: Yeah right
By michael2k on 5/22/2008 4:02:04 PM , Rating: 5
127m PS2 consoles tells us that Nintendo still has 100m Wii consoles left to sell. That gives them another 5 years to mint money.


RE: Yeah right
By cheetah2k on 5/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Yeah right
By Hiawa23 on 5/23/2008 8:26:02 AM , Rating: 2
I love both the PS3 & 360, don't really care about the Wii, but let's be realistic here. The only one who will have any chance at 100mill is the Wii, not the PS3 or 360 unless they don't plan on releasing another console in the next 10 years or so, or something chnages & with the economy going to hell, & high food, gas, everything prices, the Wii will look even more appealing to casual gamers. This must be a joke....

Do these guys hear themselves or are they like the Oil companies & Govt & just lie like the rest...


RE: Yeah right
By TheOneStorm on 5/23/2008 8:35:39 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly! I don't see why MS can possibly make such a ridiculous comment. They will never sell 100 mil, even 75 mil will be highly unlikely.

They only sold like 19-20 mil in 2 years (give or take), right? They've already said their next console will be in 2 years. If we go by total sales (and not current sales), they're only looking to hit 40 mil, and 50 mil if they wait 3 years. MS is all about raking in money, and they know releasing a newer, cooler, and 10k more polygons per second console is going to get them there.

Face it, Wii and PS3 is more consumer-friendly for the long-term. Sony sure didn't end the PS2 console/software sales when they released a new console. GG Microsoft.

Fyi, I have a Wii and X360 -- no PS3 here. I haven't played either in months though :)


RE: Yeah right
By Hiawa23 on 5/23/2008 8:57:24 AM , Rating: 2
Face it, Wii and PS3 is more consumer-friendly for the long-term. Sony sure didn't end the PS2 console/software sales when they released a new console. GG Microsoft.

I was with you until you brought this up. why in G's name would Sony not continue supporting the PS2 when they released the PS3 when it was so successful? Common sense!

On the other hand, Ms hand to put the Xbox1 to bed quickly. They made alot of mistakes, Nvidia was damn near raping them with every console sold which is why they took a much different route with the 360 & it(Xbox1) was released just for them to get their foot in the door. Why would they continue to support a product that cost more than it was making. Seems like simple business to me, & funny cause someone always brings this up.


RE: Yeah right
By jojo29 on 5/23/2008 10:59:58 AM , Rating: 2
Well to show that you "care" for your fanbase? See, a lot of Microsoft Xbox followers are used to the fact that once microsoft decides they want to move onto to something newer, they do it without regards to what the consumer wants, and makes them pay for it coughwindowscough.

But, see in the console market, which is always changing, consoles are built to last MINIMUM 4-5 years. Microsoft BARELY made it 4 years last generation, and decided to cut their losses, and cut the lifespan short, which to me hurt them, to be specific, it hurt their reputation. See, i dont want to spend all this money on a console that is going to be replaced in 2 years. The console market is not the PC market, and MS will realize this, this generation, and next.

Sony, on the other hand, is not by no means less greedy, its just their greed is to our benefit. See, even though they try to milk every penny out of their system as possible, it does two things for me: 1.) Saves me money, by not having to "upgrade" every 2 years, and 2.) Shows consumer loyalty, in that, they will support their system until the VERY end of it's life cycle.

Same with Nintendo. ALso, please don't defend microsoft ( or any other corporation including SOny/Nintendo) by saying " Oh, poor microsoft is losing money on the console, they HAD to cut it short, and by doing so, left all their xbox fans who just bought one that didn't know any better to rot" MS has the money, they muscled their way in the industry, they can afford it, and yes, companies do sell hardware for a loss, look at the PS3, selling it at loss STILL, and it still is gaining rapidly to MS install base, i bet at the end of this year PS3 is at MS or past it :)


RE: Yeah right
By Hiawa23 on 5/23/2008 3:28:10 PM , Rating: 2
I did not defend Microsoft at all. I could give a darn if they make one penny. I own all three of the consoles like I have always been a multiconsole gamer & I pull for no one.

You see, all that matters to me is who provides the services & software that I like. Last gen the xbox provided the most gameplay, online play for me, this gen the Xbox 360 has, I really don't know why you would insinuate that the 360 would last 2 years, cause Ms put the Xbox 1 to bed in 4, but we have to make our point, I guess.

I bought my 360 11/22/05, & it's already 08, & the 360 has all the games I like, that's all I go by, who has the games I like. I run a company myself, & when one of our product lines are not doing well, it's gets discontinued & replaced, like MS did with the Xbox, just like Sony would have done with the PS2 had it not been popular & sold hardware. That's just plain business, but you guys can go one hatin on them cause even though I loved the Xbox1 & still play mine alot to this day, it ran it's course & I think they made the best decision. By the looks of how many games gets published & sold on the 360 compared to the PS3 Wii, they ain hurtin as bad as you claim.


RE: Yeah right
By Major HooHaa on 5/25/2008 8:44:59 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry Microsoft, but I will stick with my P.C. as an all-round gaming and everything else platform... Which runs Windows XP... Which is a Microsoft operating system... Hmmm, I should have give this more thought.

Having said that, we do now have a Nintendo Wii in the front room. At christmas we were playing the Zelda Crossbow game as a family* , then came Guitar Heros and now we are all playing Mario Kart.

* As well as Streets of Rage 2, which my brother downloaded to the Wii.


Hilarious!
By Funksultan on 5/22/2008 2:27:14 PM , Rating: 2
Awesome, Microsoft has become the kid who sprints off towards the ice cream truck, then when half way there turns around and calls "First one to the truck wins!".

Hardware + Software + User Acceptance = The Win. Given time, the big three will ALL sell 10mil units. It's a guarantee.




RE: Hilarious!
By Funksultan on 5/22/2008 2:28:23 PM , Rating: 2
100m


RE: Hilarious!
By rubbahbandman on 5/22/2008 7:04:34 PM , Rating: 2
The Wii will be the only console to sell over 100 million consoles - probably 150M+ in all likelihood. The 360 is going to flounder at the 40M mark and the PS3 will probably break away from the 360 with 50M+.


RE: Hilarious!
By Sandok on 5/23/2008 4:15:08 AM , Rating: 1
You sound like an AWESOME analyst! I'll keep your numbers in mind and message you when / if your remarks come true.


RE: Hilarious!
By psychobriggsy on 5/22/2008 2:40:36 PM , Rating: 2
And whilst turning around they failed to see that the Wii had overtaken them and that some of their limbs were getting left behind.

The Dreamcast was the first in its generation to 10m. Nice machine that.

By the end of 2010 this generation will have seen some 70m Wii, and around 50m each for the 360 and PS3 I expect. So they'll all be winners. Won't that be great!


RE: Hilarious!
By afkrotch on 5/22/2008 3:00:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
By the end of 2010 this generation will have seen some 70m Wii, and around 50m each for the 360 and PS3 I expect. So they'll all be winners. Won't that be great!


Not really, cause you know they'll keep pushing exclusives and we'll be stuck having to buy all three or do without some games.


RE: Hilarious!
By AlphaVirus on 5/22/2008 4:43:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And whilst turning around they failed to see that the Wii had overtaken them and that some of their limbs were getting left behind.

Lol, thats too funny. I just imagine that happening in real life, the kids trying to get their first by cheating but slips in the grass or runs into a pull once he turns back around.

Yep, Wii showed MS, pulling in to the market first does not always make you the winner.


Wii
By Elementalism on 5/22/2008 2:07:29 PM , Rating: 2
Will consume all, do not resist.

Didnt the Wii sell 700K+ units in April? Or about 3:1 over the 360 and PS3?




RE: Wii
By ZaethDekar on 5/22/2008 2:17:26 PM , Rating: 2
and we may see another spike due to Wii Fit being out as of yesterday (and people are selling it for 150 on the street.)


RE: Wii
By afkrotch on 5/22/2008 3:05:11 PM , Rating: 2
I can see Wii Fit being a success, as Wii owners really don't have much else in the ways of new releases, current releases, or old releases. Their best games have been Nintendo releases and they aren't exactly often.


RE: Wii
By michael2k on 5/22/2008 3:59:45 PM , Rating: 2
In the past year there has been:
Resident Evil
Super Smash Brothers
Mario Kart
Zelda
Metroid
Super Paper Mario
Mario Galaxy

Not exactly a dearth of high profile games, and if you only count Nintendo titles, stil more than the average Wii-owner can play in a year!


RE: Wii
By AlphaVirus on 5/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Wii
By michael2k on 5/22/2008 5:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
Zelda and Metroid are also Nintendo releases. My point was his other mistake; that Nintendo does not release often. My list was proof that, in fact, they did release often, more often than Microsoft and Sony combined.


RE: Wii
By Hiawa23 on 5/23/2008 8:39:36 AM , Rating: 1
In the past year there has been:

Resident Evil
Super Smash Brothers
Mario Kart
Zelda
Metroid
Super Paper Mario
Mario Galaxy


& every last one of them to me were better on the Gamecube, as the wii versions look identical or not any better, & the only improvements are the wand. I just wish you weren't forced to use th emotion controls as I don't like em at all.

Don't get me wrong, I think Nintendo has done a great job, my daughter loves her Wii, it offers me nothing as I have tried to play gmaes with the wand, & I am just a traditional gamer. All I need is HD, with some vibration, online & I am fine.

In my mind the winner will be out of the PS3 & 360 this gen & not who sells the most, but provides me with the best most software, & so far MS is doing this by a long margin but things are looking better for the PS3.

MS ought to stop making these dumb comments & concentrate on software cause no matter what they do, the Japan, Asian folks aint buying 360s.

Maybe they should start making more anime stuff & games with the big eyed characters as they seemd to like these.


What constitutes units sold?
By mkruer on 5/22/2008 4:24:00 PM , Rating: 4
In Microsoft land, they include the original unit sold, the replacement for the unit sold and the replacement for the replacement as the total number of units sold.

This sound like the same mathematics they are using to justify Vista phenomenal success.




RE: What constitutes units sold?
By Integral9 on 5/23/2008 9:53:55 AM , Rating: 1
Coincidentally, it's also the same mathematics high school males use to exacerbate their summer time sexual exploits. If they say 1, it's 3. if they say more than 3, divide by 3.


Achievement Unlocked!
By ZaethDekar on 5/22/2008 1:57:33 PM , Rating: 5
Why do I get the feeling they are basically playing a sim game on their 360's?

Oh noes! This group is upset: increase content.

Uh oh! This group is frustrated: Extend warrenty!

Wahoo! You are the first company to sell 10 million current gen consoles to the United States, you get a production bonus of 5%!




RE: Achievement Unlocked!
By arazok on 5/22/08, Rating: -1
So PS2 won round one?
By TygerJoe on 5/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: So PS2 won round one?
By Leirith on 5/22/2008 9:52:02 PM , Rating: 2
Haha. Wii sold 700,000+ units in the US last month. I'll take that bet!


RE: So PS2 won round one?
By afkrotch on 5/23/2008 1:44:13 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think the Wii will be the overall winner. I want to see where they are at a year from now. 2 years from now.


"Winning?"
By danrien on 5/23/2008 1:01:00 AM , Rating: 2
I always thought winning as a business involved who made the most money, not about how many units you can sell (especially if they leave bad impressions with large numbers of failures).

that's why nintendo didn't die after the gamecube and why they have been a strong company for over 100 years - they realize it's not about some mystical "installed base" mark - but about running a business. They're business is and always has been selling games (for a profit, as a business is wont to do), and that's what they're business remains.

by all these measurements, nintendo seems to be the one winning - and they're taking their winnings straight to the bank.




RE: "Winning?"
By danrien on 5/23/2008 1:04:17 AM , Rating: 2
sorry i seem obsessed with replacing "their" with "they're". if i could, i would edit so it would be easier on everybody's offended language centers in the brain.


Why dont...
By eman7613 on 5/22/08, Rating: 0
RE: Why dont...
By Sandok on 5/23/2008 4:12:56 AM , Rating: 3
Sony and Nintendo lost that year coming late... They'll never gain it so alluding to it doesn't matter, you can't "rewind" time.

I've tried all the superconsole daddies (starting with Sega to Nintendo to Sony to Microsoft) and each time, I'm very pleased with my console experience...

However, PCs kick all consoles in the nuts :D (if you got the money to invest it them, which I don't lol)


By lazybum131 on 5/22/2008 10:05:24 PM , Rating: 3
It seems in every console sales article here someone always brings up the myth that Wii software doesn't sell to try to undermine the Wii's success.

US LTD attach rates as of March 2008 from NPD (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/24/npds-latest-soft...
* Xbox 360: software sales ratio: 7.5
* Wii: software sales ratio: 5.3
* PS3: software sales ratio: 4.6

The attach ratio does not include Wii Sports. 360 leads as expected, but mostly due to the extra year on the market.

US software unit sales for the first 18 months (http://kotaku.com/5010214/nintendo-wii-has-highest...
* Wii - 50 million (subtract 5.5 for Wii Play if you want)
* PS2 - 42 million
* 360 - 30 million

Wii still makes record software sales even if you subtract Wii Play. Nintendo in their Financial Results Briefing gave percentage ratios between 1st/3rd party: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/080... .




How many RRODs out there
By jeromekwok on 5/23/2008 1:37:09 AM , Rating: 2
How about 30 million RMAs to declare a loser.




Trust Microsoft to say that
By pejr on 5/23/2008 10:32:59 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft would say that but as stated in the article the xbox has been out for a year extra than the PS3 and wii so if you take that into consideration Sony and Nintendo are doing well.




Time for geography lessons?
By stryfe on 5/23/2008 11:51:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
“And I think we can build a very good business, an exciting business with a pretty big installed base with success in places like North America and Europe. Even though you may not think it's big numbers, we're actually strong in Latin America as well. Canada's been a big market for us as well. So there are ways to get the scale.”

When did Canada stop counting as part of North America???

Mr. Kim, will you please stand up and point to Canada on the map for the class please.




By sweetsauce on 5/23/2008 1:10:04 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure most will disagree with me, but i think this is the perfect model today for consoles for a hardcore gamer:

- Release a new system every 3-5 years. Sell systems at a loss ($200-$400 range) and hope to be in the black system-wise in time for the next console. This way developers don't have to be hampered by outdated hardware, and console gamers can have their systems remain relevant with pc gamers.

- Make all your money on software sales and dev tools, while also providing your 3rd party developers with a platform to make money. I'm pretty sure if you ask most developers, it would be ideal to make sequels on newer hardware than to try and spruce up an old engine to justify a sequel. Plus, with making new hardware every 3-5 years, console makers can listen to developers and make adjustments to their system that will benefit both developers and gamers alike.

I'm sure there are other benefits that i can't think of right now, but these are the basic reasons why i think stretching a console out to 10 years is not only dumb but also not practical anymore.




This is laughable.
By gochichi on 5/23/2008 5:15:30 PM , Rating: 2
You can't just set arbitrary numbers like that. The Wii is "wii-ning" but I would hardly put it in the same race as the XBOX 360 and PS3. The Wii was never an ambitious project and though I own one I honestly don't consider it to be a real console (I never ever use it after I beat Mario Galaxy).

Nintendo should float on the hype everyone has built up for it and release a real console mid-cycle. I really believe that due to the relatively low price and big media buzz the Wii-2 could come out with the interesting controls and actual worthwhile hardware. But Nintendo won't because they have this unwritten rule that they must always have handicapped hardware. (First generation GameBOy Advance anyone?)

Microsoft can talk up a storm about 100 million units or whatever, but more than marketing, the XBOX 360 urgently needs a good price drop. Chop-chop-chop that price before the holidays and it won't win, but it won't loose either.

My advice is as follows:
Nintendo--> Release real hardware before MS and Sony can even start recovering their money. Ati and Nvidia have been hard at work in the last couple of years and releasing something more powerful than a PS3 at a good price point will be easy.

Sony--> Release a better controller. More importantly, put a remote control in the box of every PS3 you sell from this point forward. Slap a BLuray movie in there as well. You can try to get an extra $10 or $20 for the remote but you're just hurting your sales. Be the BLuray player that has serious gaming capabilities as a bonus. The hardware is beautiful yet bloated, sell it while you can. The time is now.

Microsoft: Price drop! Price drop! Price drop! Release a version that looks different. DIfferent as in --> This won't die on me like my old Xbox 360 did. Slap a Harddrive on every single Xbox you sell, even it its a 10 GB one just slap one on there.

THat's it. The "next-generation" consoles are yawn inducing. They were next-gen for what feels like 5-years and it's just high time they actually started selling them in numbers.

I'm yawning and maybe it's because I'm a computer gamer, but I see a lot of people that are yawning with a "what is that anyway?" MIcrosoft is always winning in my book because PC gaming is where I think its at, and they do cater their OS to the game industry. The XBOX 360 can beat the PS3, but they won't do it without differentiating their hardware price. The XBOX 360 at $199.99 with an empty harddrive case for a SATA harddrive would be just fine. I can put a 250GB hdd in there for $80.00 and that would feel good.

As it stands, $50.00 is absolutely not enough of a price difference between the 20GB XBOX 360 and the 40GB (with an inviting upgradeable HDD) PS3. The PS3 is simply too much more hardware for the $50.00. The Xbox is a simple machine, and they need to drop that price ASAP.

(Simple machine? A 8600GT = $50.00 and it can play most games at 720P like the XBOX 360. For $125.00, you can play most games at 1080P on a PC.)




Sorry XBox
By mikefarinha on 5/22/2008 2:57:19 PM , Rating: 1
I'm sorry XBox... #2 is simply the first looser.




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