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Microsoft executive Charlie Kindel says that his company is "following in Apple’s line" with its new phone OS, when it comes to tough decisions like initially disallowing multitasking, copy and paste, and user replacable memory.
Missing features are threatening to derail the promise of Windows Phone 7

When the public first received a taste of the Windows Phone 7 OS, they liked what they saw.  The interface looked great and surprisingly different from the iPhone-like status quo.  And many were excited that Microsoft was pushing its Xbox gaming dedication and Zune successes into its new phone project.

Then came the bad news.  At launch here would be no copy and paste, no application multitasking, and perhaps most importantly, no memory card support.  The lack of copy and paste can be perhaps excused if Microsoft merely wants to make sure to perfect it before airing it in finished form.  Likewise, mobile multitasking is no easy chore and while it's disappointing that the feature won't be ready at launch, perhaps it's better that Microsoft did things right then released a sloppy, battery-chowing implementation.

But no access to replaceable memory? That's a new one for Windows-based smartphones -- Microsoft's Todd Brix says that denying users access to replaceable memory makers for a "simpler" and "more satisfying" user experience.

At the Dutch DevDay event, 
Tweakers.net interviewed Microsoft's Charlie Kindel about the new phone project and Microsoft's plans to fix its shortcomings.

Kindel admits the release of Windows Phone 7 later this year will be far from "feature complete", but he says that things like multitasking and the ability to customize your home screen will eventually be added, via Zune software updates (the new phone OS shares a code base with the Zune media players) or over-the-air releases for smaller updates.  Unlike past versions of Windows Mobile, Microsoft will strive to have all its phones operating on the same OS, and will not allow OEM specific versions of the operating system.

Kindel says HTC, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG, and ASUSTek, are all cooking up Windows Phone 7 devices.  He is confident that Microsoft will be able to launch products later this year, stating, "When I see where we are today in terms of speed and stability of the OS, I am sure that we get it."

Why the delay on the multi-tasking?  It's hard, says Kindel.  He states, "For example if you have an application in the background a GPS position to other applications, can pass, it is required that the application can run in the background. For such scenarios, we will build multi-tasking again."

Kindel gave no indication that Microsoft ever plans to let users have free access to replaceable memory in the new OS.

While the phone doesn't look much like the iPhone, he also says that his company is following in Apple's footsteps when it comes to developing the new OS.  He states, "That’s right, in many cases we are following in Apple’s line. We found the user experience provided by Windows Phone 7 required sharp choices. It may be true that some of these choices match those of Apple. At the end of the day it is for us both about the user experience of smartphones."

The real question is whether users will accept that line and purchase cell phones that don't support replaceable memory (which Android does), multi-tasking (which Apple, Palm, Android will all soon do), and copy and paste (also available in all the major competitors).  And a second important question is, when these features someday arrive, will buyers really greet them with open arms?  Those are some tough questions for Microsoft's ambitious phone reboot.



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New Phone OS 7
By rocky12345 on 4/12/2010 11:54:28 AM , Rating: 3
First things first I am sure that guys like reader1 & pirks are going to jump in here & state oh Microsoft is just photo copying Apple by these moves. Well maybe many not but I will tell you one thing I am sure it will not take 2 or 3 years to get things like full multi tasking like on some other devices EG:iphone. In it's first release it will have a somewhat multitasking setup anyways
by retaining data for each program in memory & when you open it again it continues from that point so no not a true multi tasking setup but at least the foundation is there for it.

The one thing that I myself can not swallow is the lack of memory card support this will most likely turn off a lot of people & I truely hope MS changes their minds on that. This is something any non iphone user has enjoyed for a very long time & I am not sure people will buy into it then again there are a lot of sheeple out there so most likely most will go in like sheep & just buy into it.

I guess my point is yes there are going to be missing features at launch but I am willing to bet that MS will have the features added & more before a year into the product launch unlike some other company *cough* *cough* Apple.




RE: New Phone OS 7
By rocky12345 on 4/12/2010 11:57:33 AM , Rating: 2
Had to add in when i said full multi tasking like on some other devices EG: Apple forgot that apples solution is not full multi tasking just wanted to corrrect that before someone else did lol.


RE: New Phone OS 7
By ImSpartacus on 4/12/2010 12:19:02 PM , Rating: 2
And we descend into petty ad hominem arguments...


RE: New Phone OS 7
By rocky12345 on 4/12/2010 1:30:18 PM , Rating: 2
No arguements here just trying to address the what the 2 people I mentioned will likely bring up before they have a chance to do so. Kinda letting them know that we fully ecpect them to bring up stuff like this & we know they will argue their points whether they are right or wrong.

I have no personal issues with them just hate the fact they will argue their points until the end even if they are proved wrong over & over again by most people here.

I also was stating my displeasure in the fact that MS decided that a memory card was not in our best interests so we don't need to have those. Most people like to have chioces like having the abiltiy to add to a devices storage so they can have more pictures or more music etc etc. This is a major draw back as I was looking forward to maybe getting one of these devices but now have to weigh the options if I still want one of these devices or not. I probably will but it is a major let down to have an option removed that everyone is used to having.


RE: New Phone OS 7
By Dark Legion on 4/13/2010 5:10:56 PM , Rating: 2
Petty ad hominem arguments about people making petty straw man arguments...

They are trolls, which most readers here know. How is trying to provoke them going to help? (@ rocky)


RE: New Phone OS 7
By rocky12345 on 4/16/2010 3:44:42 PM , Rating: 2
Your right my bad I will stop trying to provoke them,but it is so much fun sometimes to see what they will try to come up with even when they are wrong.


RE: New Phone OS 7
By PrezWeezy on 4/12/2010 1:39:16 PM , Rating: 2
I'm with you. I'm outraged that SD Card support is not there. It's one thing to launch without software features, those are easily updated. Launching without a hardware feature means it can't be added in latter. I hate the fact that the SD card isn't there.

That being said, I do have to admit that I only use 8 GB of my iPod for music, and I currently don't even have an SD in my touch pro 2 because my wife stole my card and I haven't gotten it back. After running without it for about 6 months...I'm not sure I need it. It is useful a lot of the time, and I'm really upset it's not there. But it's not the end of the world for me.


RE: New Phone OS 7
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/12/2010 1:48:53 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
The one thing that I myself can not swallow is the lack of memory card support this will most likely turn off a lot of people & I truely hope MS changes their minds on that.


I think when you're willing to "swallow" a certain number of shortcomings for your company of choice that's a dangerous sign.

That's the same reason why many criticized Apple fans who bought iPhones before copy and paste and why some make fun of iPhone fans now, because it won't get multitasking till this summer. Or why criticism is leveled against those who buy the current MacBook Pro model, when its graphic card has become incredibly dated for such an expensive device.

But "swallow"ing Windows Phone shortcomings because you love Microsoft is equally wrong. You should buy the best product for you needs, period, or you're hurting yourself and the rest of us by convincing companies that it's acceptable to peddle expensive outdated products to consumers.

Microsoft can make all the excuses it wants, but if it doesn't implement these features till next year, the fact is that it will be at least half a year, maybe a year behind competitors in critical features like multi-tasking.

That is simply unacceptable in my eyes as an unbiased consumer.


RE: New Phone OS 7
By rocky12345 on 4/12/2010 2:04:35 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed 100% I don't think we should have to swallow all the missing features like someone else pointed out missing software features is one thing but missing hardware features is another those can not be added later unless a new model comes out with those features then you have to go ut & buy the product all over again if you want the added features. But we all know there will be al ot of people that willgo out & buy these products no matter what some knowing what they are doing & most just unaware.


RE: New Phone OS 7
By 3minence on 4/12/2010 4:02:00 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
missing software features is one thing but missing hardware features is another those can not be added later

Unfortunately, for those who bought earlier iPhones, they cannot add multitasking even though it's a 'software' thing. The early adapter penalty strikes again.

I will not buy a smartphone on the promise of features added later. I don't trust the companies to add it later. I will give you my money when you give me the product I want. I respect MS's desire to "get it right" before they release it, I just hope they respect my choice to not give them my money until it's complete.


RE: New Phone OS 7
By Aloonatic on 4/13/2010 5:04:14 AM , Rating: 2
It seems that Sony have been coming at this from all angels, trying their hardest to get the consumer not to trust them.

When their product has features on release, they sometimes remove them as they have with the PS3. Then with the Xperia X10 they "promise" a lot like Android 2.1 and stay vague on things like multi-touch. Letting people assume that it's a 1.6/2.1 issue, only to come clean and around release and admit that it doesn't have hardware support for it at all anyway, which they must have known about fora long long time, after many have pre-ordered.

These days, who knows what your Sony product will actually do after you purchase it, no matter what they promise, or the box says that it will.


RE: New Phone OS 7
By sbtech on 4/13/2010 5:30:00 AM , Rating: 2
Jason, you finally hit the nail here. Cheers for standing up to the hypocrisy.

From theoretical point, this is textbook Relationship Marketing at work, where a prospect moves through the stages Prospect -> Customer -> Client -> Supporter -> Advocate. Evident in the trend of posts, whenever an Apple vs. Microsoft theme comes up.

To be fair to the OP, this happens with everyone of us with certain companies. Look at Harley Davidson for example - their customers brands the logo on the skin - literary.


RE: New Phone OS 7
By omnicronx on 4/12/2010 4:06:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The one thing that I myself can not swallow is the lack of memory card support
I disagree and agree...

I disagree if you think external storage should be allowed for use of any kind of apps. If you think there should be expandeable storage over and above (or at least the option for it) then I would agree, but if you think the main app storage should be user defined, you are not thinking about all the scenarios.

SD cards vary too much from device to device, there are speed differences, compatibilities issues etc etc..

Leaving it up to the users would be a development and support nightmare. Heck even many of the latest and greatest phones do not allow you to do this. (ala Nexus One) even though it has expandable storage.

Belive me I lived through this nightmare with WM devices, its no fun. Amazingly all this went away when I got a WM device with internal storage.. Leave it up to the average person, and they will be cheap, thats the problem here.


RE: New Phone OS 7
By teldar on 4/13/2010 9:07:12 AM , Rating: 2
Not necessarily for app storage, but what about music and video storage. These are large files that would eat up the onboard memory quite quickly and don't need to be accessed extremely quickly.

There is one reason to prevent user-addable storage.

Greed.

See Apple for an example.


RE: New Phone OS 7
By dewlim on 4/12/2010 10:41:35 PM , Rating: 2
Dissapointing launch for Microsoft. Seems like they rushed it out. It will be better if they didn't launch it at all until they come out with a superior product. They need to come out something that surpass their competitor and not this half done sh*t.

Also is it just me,I think the GUI look ugly. :)


By PAPutzback on 4/12/2010 11:40:19 AM , Rating: 4
The iPhone and MS phone will be fine for those who want a no fuss experience and would not realize what they are missing. But for the people that like to tinker, know how to reflash a phone or like the ability to customize their phone for their life I can only see the one possible phone at this time and that would be an Android. I am a sprint customer and I am holding out for the 4g HTC EVO that is supposed to be out. I'll wait a few weeks to see what the initial reviews are but I think that is going to be a iPhone killer. And as usual MS will be too late to the game to even wait to see what they finally come up with. I will still probably go with a Win 7 table of some sort if they can get it right.




By Suntan on 4/12/2010 12:28:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
But for the people that like to tinker, know how to reflash a phone or like the ability to customize their phone for their life I can only see the one possible phone at this time and that would be an Android.


Might want to have a look at WebOS. The guys over at www.precentral.net do a fair amount of hacking/modification.

Further, Verizon is offering a pretty good deal on the Pre Plus right now (free mobile hotspot, which is a great feature if you have use for it.)

Unfortunately, the uncertainty around Palm is a big detractor, but WebOS really has some good merits, even if it can't see the light of day underneath the marketing clouds of Andriod and iphone OS.

-Suntan


By melgross on 4/12/2010 12:42:26 PM , Rating: 2
And how has this helped Palm? It hasn't.

It's easy to blame Sprint for Palm's failings as everyone including Palm's mamagement is doing. Now they are blaming Verizon as well.

The truth is that while WebOs has some nice things going for it, it's too complex for most people. While the iPhone is obvious in its usage, WebOS isn't. Despite reading plenty about it before I tried the phone, I found it confusing. It simply isn't obvious as to how many functions work It's back to reading the manual again, and most people will simply not do that.

I've seen people in Sprint stores and Verizon stores pick up a Pre and play with them for a few moments, then put them down again and move to the next phone. I never saw that at an Apple store or AT&T store with an iPhone. People tend to linger much longer.

Almost no one wants to tinker with their phone. I just wish that the few who do, would wake up and realize that most people aren't tinkerers. I'm about as geeky as most people here, but I just want to chill with my phone, and the iPhone allows me to do that. It's actually ENJOYABLE to use, and that's what I want with it.

I think that people who insist on tinkering with their phone are, for the most part, doing it just to convince themselves that they should, because that's who they want to be.


By Suntan on 4/12/2010 1:31:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The truth is that while WebOs has some nice things going for it, it's too complex for most people.


Your mileage may vary. Personally I found the WebOS to be quite intuitive to operate even at the first interaction with it at the Verizon store. Spending a minute to look over the “gestures” card taught me the one or two things I didn’t figure out on my own (how to delete mostly.) Heck, even my wife was able to get the hang of it quickly after I showed her.

I haven’t really played with the iPhone all that much, but to say that WebOS is too hard for someone to figure out must mean that the iPhone just has one big button covering the whole screen that reads “call operator” that you just mash whenever you want to use the phone if it is really significantly easier to learn how to use than WebOS.

In any case, the guy said he wanted a phone with the ability to tinker with it. I offered him the suggestion to look at WebOS because there is a fair amount of hacking being done on it now. Sorry if your iPhone doesn’t actually fit in with what the guy had said he wants.

And you say that you never see someone put down the iPhone and start looking at a different model at an Apple store huh? Shocking.

-Suntan


By melgross on 4/12/2010 12:30:59 PM , Rating: 2
That's just great for the 1% of people who care about that. But why should a company such as Apple or MS, or for that matter, RIM, who are going for a large audience, care the slightest? They care more, as they should, about stability. We see how all of that access did MS in with Win Mobile. All those features didn't help them keep their customers even one small bit.

Now, they're moving away from that tiny geek base to the vastly larger consumer market where they can actually have some chance of making some money.

It's also getting tiring hearing people say that the next "big" phone out will be an iPhone killer based on their narrow wants. I can guarantee that the HTC EVO will NOT be an iPhone killer. not even close.


By cmdrdredd on 4/12/2010 4:27:02 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It's also getting tiring hearing people say that the next "big" phone out will be an iPhone killer based on their narrow wants. I can guarantee that the HTC EVO will NOT be an iPhone killer. not even close.


Well, since AT&T is sucking donkey nuts and hasn't done jack shit to fix their network for the 3+ years that the iPhone has been around...I see no reason to not believe a phone that is as easy to use and does as much wouldn't be an "iphone killer" because the network AT&T uses pales in comparison to other options in most major metro areas.


No expandable memory a deal breaker for me...
By funkyd99 on 4/12/2010 12:20:11 PM , Rating: 2
I was excited for the Win 7 phones until I read this article. How does leaving out a Micro SD slot make a phone "simpler" and "more satisfying"? Oh, that's right, it doesn't... it just allow MS to money-grab based on the amount of on-board flash.

Every dumbphone I've owned in the past 4 years had Micro SD slots, and it doesn't get much simpler than a dumbphone...




RE: No expandable memory a deal breaker for me...
By Suntan on 4/12/2010 12:35:49 PM , Rating: 3
All valid points, but I offer you this, look at the *average* iPhone purchaser... Do they look like they would even know what you are talking about when you say the word "Transflash?" or "Micro-SD?"

My bet is that 99% of the TF-slot equiped dumbphones out there are sitting empty. Most likely because the *average* phone user doesn't know what it is, where to get it, or even how to correctly insert it.

I could only imagine the look of complete stupification that I would get from my mother-in-law if I handed her a tiny little transflash card and told her to "turn off" her phone to install it... I doubt most people even know how to turn off their phones.

That is the market MS is going for, the iPhone market. Not the market that wants to buy an Andriod because they are salivating about the prospects of hacking it.

Just pointing out reality.

-Suntan


RE: No expandable memory a deal breaker for me...
By funkyd99 on 4/12/2010 2:24:48 PM , Rating: 3
I think you may be underestimating the average user... anyone who owns a digital camera knows what a memory card is. Anyone who goes to Best Buy will see a rack full of them. I would say the Micro SD slots aren't used in 99% of dumbphones because people don't typically use their dumbphones for music and pictures (or the slot is hidden behind the battery cover.)

My LG enV3 has an external door labeled "Micro SD" along with a little picture of how to insert it, and I've never powered down the phone when inserting or removing the card. It's easy to change the save location in the options. This isn't complicated stuff if you know what to use it for (aka if it's marketed).

I'm also going to guess the average iPhone user is a bit younger than your mother-in-law (no offense), many with sizable music collections. Microsoft could use expandable memory as a way to differentiate them from the competition... instead the they'll have two versions of every phone: the reasonable-priced 16GB (or 32GB) version and the price-gouger edition with twice the memory.


By Alexstarfire on 4/13/2010 3:18:47 AM , Rating: 2
For real. I can certainly understand his position if the phone has this slot hidden under the battery cover as he pointed out. On most smartphones if the memory card slot is under the battery cover then you'd have to pull out your battery, AKA turn off your phone, to do anything with the card. My phone isn't like that though. The memory slot is under the battery cover, technically, but I can remove/insert it without turning the phone off and it works just fine.

Some things might make sense, but removing memory card capability screams exactly what you said. They just want to make more money by doing it that way. WinMob 7 phones are sounding more and more disappointing every with every article that comes out about it.


A Simpler User Experience?
By HalJordan on 4/12/2010 1:23:58 PM , Rating: 2
I believe that MS also plans to incorporate some other "features" such as, scaling back internet access through their phone OS, eliminating text messaging capabilities, lightening up the GPS hardware, focusing on business markets by keeping games off the phone, and increasing battery life by removing any components not necessary for making phone calls. In time top MS officials plan on releasing an accessory pouch which makes carrying postage stamps in the back of the phone much easier, as well as slot for a pencil, and few scraps of paper...users will still pay out the nose for these conveniences.




RE: A Simpler User Experience?
By Suntan on 4/12/2010 1:34:03 PM , Rating: 3
I see where you were trying to go with that one... ...you didn't get there.

-Suntan


RE: A Simpler User Experience?
By mostyle on 4/13/2010 12:58:24 AM , Rating: 2
I got that and it did evoke a chuckle even though it was a small one.

Bottom line I think is where is the gain with regression of hardware? One could argue that leaving out a memory slot at launch is indeed a regression.


What happened to RIM's BlackBerry?
By petschska on 4/12/2010 12:33:40 PM , Rating: 2
How come when the major smartphone players are listed in DailyTech articles, they don't mention RIM anymore? According to Gartner, RIM is the second largest supplier with 19.9% worldwide, behind Symbian. iPhone is 14.4%. iPhone and RIM are by far the two largest in the U.S.

Just seems a little biased to me...




RE: What happened to RIM's BlackBerry?
By Suntan on 4/12/2010 12:40:27 PM , Rating: 2
Good point.

For business users that have RIM through their work, only RIM/BB phones are what they look at.

Was looking through the corporate policy the other day at the place I work, it says that the company only supports iPhone for the officially approved cell phone...

-Suntan


By kmmatney on 4/12/2010 10:02:36 PM , Rating: 2
My small company has been switching over to the iPhone over the last year, and it has worked out really well. Business use is one place where you don't want people tinkering with their phones (although one of my workers jail-broke theirs). The closed policy of the iPhone also makes it a reliable business phone, which is a huge market.


marketing
By aitwith on 4/12/2010 11:49:42 AM , Rating: 2
Most companies build UP excitement for the launch of a new product. Microsoft builds DOWN excitement.

I'd might as well go buy a flipping iphone.




RE: marketing
By theapparition on 4/12/2010 12:36:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'd might as well go buy a flipping iphone.

Sorry, but they don't make the iPhone in a flip model :)

Seriously though, I agree with you.

MS has completely missed the market, but even worse, are not adapting to it. Basically they are late to the game and following everyone else. Not trying to lead at all.

This is not what MS used to be about. They used to be the innovators, delivering mass market applications that generally led their competitors. The only time in recent memory that they did that was with the Xbox360, which is a success (by any measure, they have a large user base and that division is profitable).

But now, they seem content (or incompetent) to sit back and produce "also-rans". For example, the Zune HD (probably the best PMP on the market) was never offered in 64GB flash, but as soon as Apple released one, they decided to release one too. How about beating your competitor to the punch on something as simple as a flash upgrade?

Apples device is closed with an app store, so we want to make a closed device with an app store, no skinning, no memory and no customization. Google does search so we want to do search.
Why would anyone want to avoid the "status quo" to purchase a less supported device that basically does the same thing?

Currently use a Winmo6.1 device (and a blackberry), but will go Android in the future. First decent Android model runng 4G LTE on Verizon gets my business.


By T2k on 4/13/2010 11:22:37 AM , Rating: 2
...because this miserable, stupid 'let's copy someone" approach so far only helped them to ERASE their userbase every time they tried.

Now I will come out and say that WinMO is an utter PoS architecturally but one thing held me on WinMo for many years is MULTITASKING and free access to my removable-upgradeable memory.

Bye, MS, it's really time to embrace WebOS or Andoroid, the two most advanced mobile OS on the planet.




By blargsoup on 4/13/2010 9:51:34 PM , Rating: 2
nice subject, if you replace the *'s it can spell swears!


I still want....
By InvertMe on 4/12/2010 1:02:04 PM , Rating: 1
I admit the lack of SD card is horrible. Other than that I am either for or neutral to everything else.

I just bought an HD2 and LOVE it. Hands down the biggest powerhouse on the market today. I love how customizable winmo is and how much tinkering you can actually do with the OS. WP7 is a total departure from that.

I have complete faith that MS will do it right.




RE: I still want....
By aeronb on 4/12/2010 10:50:30 PM , Rating: 2
No memory card support in the title got me to read the article. After reading all the posts here I realized that if the phone came with 32 GB of internal memory at a reasonable price. I would probably buy one. With a 16 GB micro SD in my Winmo 6.1 phone, I never want for more memory to store a couple days worth of music and a few TV shows.


Sense
By UnWeave on 4/12/2010 3:17:34 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
For example if you have an application in the background a GPS position to other applications, can pass, it is required that the application can run in the background. For such scenarios, we will build multi-tasking again.


Is it just me that that quote makes almost no sense to? Is he saying that they will 'build' multitasking so that background apps, e.g. GPS-position apps, can pass data along to other apps? i.e. the multitasking will be true multitasking and not just a saved-state job?




Can't Wait
By metaltoiletry on 4/12/2010 11:41:21 AM , Rating: 2
I can't wait until I am able to upgrade next year. Will definitely pick this up - assuming the performance is much faster than my HD Touch Pro (WinMo 6.1), which is barely acceptable.




Android FTW!
By Cincybeck on 4/12/2010 12:02:05 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like with this news, and the crusade Jobs has going on with Adobe.(I really think it would be funny if Adobe turned around and stopped developing Photoshop for Mac OS.) Google might just come out on top in another market. I know I really like my G1 one still, wish I had the money for a Nexus One, but that's another story. I don't think I would go with anything but another Android phone at this point.




mt
By pro5 on 4/12/2010 1:17:27 PM , Rating: 2
"Why the delay on the multi-touch? It's hard, says Kindel. "

Typo? should be multi tasking I assume. Multi-touch is of course on the phone.

I'm behind MS with this, sure they have completely changed tack compared to previous winmo and are annoying a lot of advanced users but it's in their interests to get a real competitor out there for the iPhone, because the phone/pad etc is eating into other areas. Google and MS are to be encouraged to increase competition and yes in a way we can thank apple for making MS raise their game a bit.

I have an iPod touch but have no interest in the iPhone, I would buy a WP7 or good android in future though. As a developer the tools for WP7 are great and I have lots of stuff up and running in the emulator already (which can be unlocked to show a lot of what will be in the phone) and hope to pick up WP7 at the end of the year for real testing (and using of course)




Your innovation?
By carniver on 4/12/2010 1:20:42 PM , Rating: 2
Your interface looked like something unique and promising, at least not an Apple rip-off. But now you say

> we are following in Apple’s line

So you're blaming your own missteps on Apple?




By CSMR on 4/12/2010 2:52:14 PM , Rating: 2
I'd accept the lack of microSD if phones with 64Gb flash become available.

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/64GB-memory-chip-e...

OTOH there's no way I'd buy a phone without application access to a general store of user files, or one which needs a special sync application without a USB mass storage option. No store of user files independent of applications? No browsing music by directory? No thanks.




HD2
By damianrobertjones on 4/13/2010 3:43:40 AM , Rating: 2
I was initially planning on changing from the HD2 to the first Winmob7 phone with the same dimensions.

This will now not be happening as I DO use the memory card within the phone and like that fact. As a company, we use Winmob phones for exchange and I WILL NOT copy all the damn stuff from the phone to the dekstop and back again and would really prefer a memory card




That seals the deal
By Randomblame on 4/13/2010 3:52:55 AM , Rating: 2
[sarcasm]
Ooooooh yay no memory cards, no multitasking, no confusing features whatsoever thanks microsoft! I'm so glad you're taking care of all of these pesky problems. Those things have been annoying me for years!
[/sarcasm]

Doesn't microsoft understand that the reason apples approach of cutting features and functionality works for them is that they are apple? Stamp an apple logo on a floppy disk and people will be paying hundreds of dollars for it! I can see it now:
Windows 8 - Now without the confusing features! We've done away with things like disk burning, file explorer, control panel etc and we've replaced the entire interface with a series of large bright icons. There is no start bar, just a desktop with a non user changeable background and 7 icons on it: youtube, facebook, myspace, email, news, weather, and porn. We have removed all of the confusing buttons and url bar from the internet browser, now you don't have to worry about that. Just use your computer like you always do only without the hassle!

If apple did it they would make millions - oh wait they did it already...




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