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Microsoft caves to tremendous pressure from gamers

Never underestimate a growing chorus of gamers pissed off about strict DRM management and the requirement to "phone home" to Microsoft in order to play games with the Xbox One. Microsoft caught a lot of flak when it announced that it would require a 1.5Mbps internet connection in order to play games (Microsoft told gamers to buy an Xbox 360 if they couldn’t get online), and it drew even more outcry when it was announced that publishers would be given leeway to restrict used games and rentals.
 
That last point led to a rather humorous video from Sony with regards to sharing on the PlayStation 4:
 

 
Well, Microsoft has listened to feedback from the Xbox Community and has made the rare decision to reverse its policy on the two above sticking points. Don Mattrick, Microsoft's President of Interactive Entertainment Business, took to the internet to announce the changes.
 
"Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback," said Mattrick. "You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world."
 
According to Mattrick, there will no longer be a requirement to have an internet connection to play an offline Xbox One game -- the 24-hour connection requirement has been completely nixed. You will only need to go through a one-time setup over the internet when you first boot up your Xbox One console.
 
With regards to trading and renting, Mattrick states that you can "Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360."
 
Now Microsoft, how about that $499 price tag???

Source: Microsoft



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Good
By corduroygt on 6/19/2013 5:36:43 PM , Rating: 5
It's nice to see that voting with your wallet works and it's the only thing corporations will listen to.




RE: Good
By retrospooty on 6/19/2013 5:39:42 PM , Rating: 3
At least they listened... It was ridiculous, people complained in mass quantities and they took it back. Whoot!


RE: Good
By bighairycamel on 6/19/2013 5:43:37 PM , Rating: 5
Everyone's calling it the XBox 180 now


RE: Good
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/19/2013 5:44:17 PM , Rating: 2
Haha, nice one!


RE: Good
By TakinYourPoints on 6/19/2013 6:27:01 PM , Rating: 6
RE: Good
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/19/2013 7:42:33 PM , Rating: 5
This gets a 6? Seriously?


RE: Good
By drumsticks on 6/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/19/2013 8:17:27 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
It was pretty funny.
Not really. Someone else says it, then he just posts a link to a lame pic. Not funny at all.


RE: Good
By GulWestfale on 6/19/2013 10:29:40 PM , Rating: 2
well now they just have to get rid of kinect spying on who's in your living room, add 50% more graphics power and reduce the price by a hundred bucks. then maybe they'll have a winner.


RE: Good
By Wolfpup on 6/25/2013 12:54:08 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed. I don't really feel comfortable with Microsoft after this, and it reminds me that they've been pushing renting stuff to you since the last 90s...


RE: Good
By drumsticks on 6/19/2013 11:12:02 PM , Rating: 2
Your opinion is your opinion. Apparently most thought it was funny.


RE: Good
By augiem on 6/20/2013 1:55:48 AM , Rating: 5
It doesn't take a majority to get a 6. All it takes is for a mod to rate it a 6.


RE: Good
By BRB29 on 6/20/2013 2:07:58 PM , Rating: 2
people are jelly that he got a 6.


RE: Good
By TakinYourPoints on 6/20/2013 7:00:59 PM , Rating: 2
The guy who's standard response is "no u" or "ur dum" is mad.


RE: Good
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/20/2013 7:06:40 AM , Rating: 1
You have no idea what "most" people are thinking.


RE: Good
By CZroe on 6/20/2013 12:22:49 PM , Rating: 2
The person who said it first should have typed it as XBOX ONE(EIGHTY) or something else that keeps the original name intact.


RE: Good
By Any14Tee on 6/19/2013 8:18:38 PM , Rating: 1
Reduce the price further by $100 and we'll call it XBOX360.


RE: Good
By rs2 on 6/19/2013 7:42:51 PM , Rating: 2
Are you sure they didn't have this planned all along?

Step 1: Tell everyone we'll use DRM to keep our console locked up like Fort Knox.
Step 2: At the peak of Internet Nerd Rage, announce a reversal of the decision; get lots of free press.
Step 3: Profit.


RE: Good
By Totally on 6/19/2013 9:15:50 PM , Rating: 5
The free press isn't going to do anything to counteract all the negative press they earned in the first place.


RE: Good
By geekman1024 on 6/20/2013 1:06:03 AM , Rating: 2
This was in my dream (or a nightmare?) a few days ago:

In the dream, Sony guy and Microsoft dude was playing Poker.
Microsoft Dude: "Hey Sony Guy, how 'bout we play something big for this hand?"

Sony Guy: "Hmm, I don't know, what's your bet?"

Microsoft Dude: "Whoever loose, gotta screw their customers deep and hard."

Sony Guy: "Interesting... and what're you gonna do if you loose?"

Microsoft Dude: "I'll force this crap called Metro UI down everybody's throat, and make everybody hate the next XBox, I called it Xbox One by the way."

Sony Guy: "Ooh, that's bad. Okay, you're on!"

Microsoft Dude: "Hey, you haven't said what 'cha gonna do?"

Sony Guy: "Let's see... How 'bout I'll use Windows 8 as PS4's OS, and put Windows Phone 8 in the new Xperia phones?"

Microsoft Dude: "Dang, you make me sick."

Apparently, Microsoft Dude didn't do well at poker that night.

And in last night dream, Microsoft Dude said he's regretted about the bet.


RE: Good
By pandemonium on 6/20/2013 5:44:39 AM , Rating: 2
Freud would have a field day with this; what with all of that dreamy loose talk and all.


RE: Good
By CZroe on 6/20/2013 12:26:17 PM , Rating: 2
Now I know what happened with the PSP Go.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2013 8:39:15 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah it's great that discs once again trump digital content...

What's ironic is that all of these "gamers" don't hesitate when it comes to using Steam.


RE: Good
By Oceanryder on 6/20/2013 11:11:13 AM , Rating: 2
Yup, I was just thinking about this while reading the article. At some point, hard media will go the way of the <insert favorite extinct mammal>.

And who knew ... the market works! I, for one, am happy to read that Microsoft is responding to early criticism.


RE: Good
By tamalero on 6/20/2013 2:08:03 PM , Rating: 4
steam lets you play in offline mode.
steam is not as restrictive.. steam is not tied to a single computer.

inform yourself buddy.


RE: Good
By ven1ger on 6/20/2013 2:27:56 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly, and let's not forget that Steam offers tremendously discounted prices. I've gotten some extremely good games for under $5 when they have sales.


RE: Good
By BRB29 on 6/20/2013 2:35:04 PM , Rating: 2
I just like the fact that i will never have to rebuy a game because I lost the disc/DVD. You don't know how many times I've bought my favorite games. FF VII was purchased 3x :(

I actually bought Empire Total War on DVD format. Steam allows me to put it on my library at no cost. Instead of using the DVD, I just downloaded it on my new computer from Steam.

Steam may not allow me to resell my games but it gave me enough benefits for me to not be upset with it.


RE: Good
By Motoman on 6/20/2013 2:46:15 PM , Rating: 1
And when the XBO service that attends to digitally purchased games go away, and you can never have them again at all? You'll be liking your disks pretty well then.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2013 3:05:12 PM , Rating: 2
Uhh and "when" exactly is that going to happen?

It's not like discs last forever either, if permanence is what your argument is based on.


RE: Good
By BRB29 on 6/21/2013 7:44:53 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
And when the XBO service that attends to digitally purchased games go away, and you can never have them again at all? You'll be liking your disks pretty well then.


I can say the same about Steam. Xbox service won't go away any time soon because MS won't give up on the console market for a long time. There's no denying that console is the present and future of mainstream gaming.

With the consoles being pretty much PC platform, the xbox2 shouldn't have any problems playing xbox1 games. Their digital content service won't have to change and your old games should still be there.

What I don't understand is why they won't sell the digital version for cheaper. If you want people to migrate towards all digital downloads instead of physical discs then give them an incentive. It's just too much greed and this is the backlash of that. They would save a ton of money going digital and doesn't want to pass a single cent to the consumer.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2013 3:54:28 PM , Rating: 2
He's over simplifying things, big time. In some areas Steam is more restrictive than MS's original plans for the XB1, and in other areas it's less.

quote:
and let's not forget that Steam offers tremendously discounted prices.


Got Battlefield 3 last night for 5 bucks lol. Woot, Steam rocks.


RE: Good
By ven1ger on 6/20/2013 8:41:19 PM , Rating: 2
Not sure how Steam is more restrictive but considering that for the MS console, games will most likely be in the $50-70 range, and I don't see that going down anytime soon, while Steam many good-great games can be had for <$5, I'd go with Steam anyday. And as this is a virtually a direct sales for developers, they don't have to go to big name publishing companies, the developers win also.

I can still play my games from Steam even if my internet service is unavailable and knowing I'm getting my money's worth in a game that I can't resell, is fine because they were at great prices that are virtually unbeatable.

Will have to check out BF 3, didn't know that was on sale, Cool.


RE: Good
By JPForums on 6/24/2013 8:42:02 AM , Rating: 2
When did BF3 hit Steam? I thought it was an Origin exclusive.


RE: Good
By MrBungle123 on 6/20/2013 11:07:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
At least they listened... It was ridiculous, people complained in mass quantities and they took it back. w00t !


fixed.


RE: Good
By tamalero on 6/20/2013 2:05:39 PM , Rating: 1
they still sound very arrogant in their PR statements.

despite the xbox division dude talking about "buy a xbox 360" for those without stable internet connections.. between other things..
and how they claimed the drm was very hard to remove.. amazing how they backpedaled when everyone started to go for the Ps4.


RE: Good
By rauelius on 6/19/2013 6:10:10 PM , Rating: 5


So we've gone from Xbone to Xbox 180.

But it will always be "shame on anyone who'd support these practices in any form".

Seriously, Microsoft's already shown their hand. Just because they're
backing down now doesn't mean they aren't going to try this again in
the future...possibly before the eighth generation is even over. I still
can't fathom why anyone would suddenly be okay with forking over $500
to a company that just attempted this unprecedented display of
anti-consimerism.


RE: Good
By Fleeb on 6/19/2013 7:32:02 PM , Rating: 3
Same thing with Sony. I mean just because what they do is favorable now does not mean they will stick to the same in the future if business calls for it. Also, as for the launch price.

http://www.gamesetwatch.com/console-price-history-...


RE: Good
By Totally on 6/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By augiem on 6/19/2013 8:02:59 PM , Rating: 4
It's going to happen, don't ever doubt that. Once games are all served digitally, its done. Can you share iPhone or Android games? Can you share Diablo 3 or StarCraft 2? This is just a temporary reprieve.


RE: Good
By augiem on 6/19/2013 8:04:09 PM , Rating: 2
served digitally should = served online via the internet. (No smart remarks. I know DVDs are digital.)


RE: Good
By maugrimtr on 6/20/2013 8:30:16 AM , Rating: 2
The whole sale/lending of downloads will come to a head eventually. The EU courts have already ruled (against Oracle) that consumers have the right to resell downloaded software.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/top-eu-...

The only missing piece is the mechanism to do so. Just because you have a right to resell downloads, it doesn't automatically follow that you have the technical ability to do so, e.g. DRM, account binding on Steam. So please, do not allow Microsoft and Sony force you into a PC+Steam world where reselling can't occur.

It benefits only the publishers and the console makers. I still don't understand why so many people thought the publishers were behind this plot. Microsoft takes a cut from every new sale so eliminating reselling benefits them quite nicely too.


RE: Good
By StevoLincolnite on 6/19/2013 8:14:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Can you share Diablo 3 or StarCraft 2? This is just a temporary reprieve.


In the case of StarCraft 2, yes. You can spawn copies for a friend.

Steam also has a couple of hints of a "Game borrowing" feature currently in the works too.


RE: Good
By NellyFromMA on 6/20/2013 1:15:05 PM , Rating: 2
So, basically, Steam is more restrictive than what Microsoft was offering but Steam is great but Microsoft are mean jerks? lol


RE: Good
By Motoman on 6/20/2013 2:47:31 PM , Rating: 2
No...MS was trying to impose into what you can/can't do with physical purchases, not just digital purchases. That's what was different.


RE: Good
By Doken44 on 6/19/2013 8:22:07 PM , Rating: 1
RE: Good
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/19/2013 8:24:33 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Does Steam Trading mean I can sell my used games? No, only games that have been bought as a gift, and thus have never been played, can be traded. Once the Steam Gift is opened and added to your game library, you won’t be able to trade it again.


RE: Good
By Doken44 on 6/19/2013 9:01:44 PM , Rating: 2
Way to ruin my blissful ignorance.
I guess the trading I've heard about is account trading, which, unless you have trustworthy friends is incredibly stupid, IMO.


RE: Good
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/19/2013 9:03:21 PM , Rating: 2
I barely trade TF2 items, just not into the whole "trading' thing...


RE: Good
By althaz on 6/19/2013 8:28:16 PM , Rating: 2
No, it does not.


RE: Good
By Motoman on 6/19/2013 9:25:07 PM , Rating: 3
Maybe some day the USA will catch up with Europe on consumer rights - as noted multiple times before, European courts have shown that consumers have full First-Sale rights on digital products as they do on physical products.

Americans are the suckers at this table, since the USA says it's citizens have *no* rights with digital purchases. I would encourage you to point out to your elected officials that you don't like being behind the 8-ball in the USA by not having basic consumer rights that Europeans have.


RE: Good
By wempa on 6/19/2013 11:45:50 PM , Rating: 2
Not only that, but a decent number of people were actually supporting this DRM crap that MS was trying to force on us. Like you mentioned in many previous posts, accepting this would have been a horrible, horrible path to go down. Luckily, there seem to have been enough of us to spread the word about how idiotic this idea was.


RE: Good
By althaz on 6/20/13, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By wempa on 6/20/2013 8:37:41 AM , Rating: 2

I love the idea of not having to worry about discs, but I agree with you 100% that they should have kept them separate all along. If you want those extra features/conveniences, then you download the game from MS. With the downloaded games, they can let you do all that fancy stuff like share with friends. Not supporting offline play was a truly idiotic thing to do. Consoles are supposed to be EASY to use. You hook it up to your TV, you put the disc in and you play. Their DRM and other restrictions would have created major confusion among the more casual gamers.


RE: Good
By dxf2891 on 6/20/2013 9:14:09 AM , Rating: 2
Yes you can share Android games. Check out Bluetooth File Transfer.


RE: Good
By BillyBatson on 6/19/2013 10:11:24 PM , Rating: 2
So y has done worse with their DRM in the past yet people still buy their products. Evey company in the world working for profit is out to screw everyone out of their money you shouldn't be surprised about this. It shouldn't stop you from buying what you want any way.


RE: Good
By 91TTZ on 6/20/2013 7:13:18 AM , Rating: 3
Just because every company is out to make money doesn't mean that every company will resort to the same tactics to maximize profit.

Take Costco and Walmart for instance. Costco actually pays its workers more than the going rate for that type of worker (some 40% higher than Walmart), offers health insurance to over 80% of its workers (compared to half at Walmart) and keeps prices on products lower than their investors want them to. And yet they're prospering while Wal-Mart is beginning to fade.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/04/17/w...

There are downsides to listening to investors. Investors tend to be too well insulated from the company's core business and only care about gains in stock price. As a result, they tend to push the company to do things that harm the company in the long run in exchange for a modest short-term gain in stock price.


RE: Good
By BRB29 on 6/20/2013 8:11:34 AM , Rating: 2
The author of that article is a little biased or misleading. Costco's rise is actually from selling superior goods at an affordable price. Their reputation is "cheap everything everyday". It works out great for them because nobody wants to clip coupons or hunt for bargains anymore. The whole sales, membership card, etc... is annoying now because every single store has one. You can get everything at Costco and it's always cheap. Costco is like Amazon in a brick and mortar store.

I would say Costco service is better than Walmart is because their employees are generally happier(paid more) and most of the staff is not new so they can actually answer your question. I wouldn't say Costco have good service simply because there's very little and the line is always long. What they excel at is logistics and keeping the shelves stocked. A lot of companies had to learn logistics after lessons from the fall of K mart.

But you're right about investors. They want numbers and they want it now. That is all investors though. You would do the same. Everyone wants a high ROI on their money and they want it now. That's just us being americans.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2013 8:47:27 AM , Rating: 3
Lol I bet a lot of companies wish they could "fade" as huge as Walmart.

Oh Costco can take their pretentious membership crap and shove it up their ass. If my money isn't good enough to walk in their store and jusy buy something. I don't think it's worth the hassle


RE: Good
By kyleb2112 on 6/20/2013 9:28:19 AM , Rating: 3
Searching MY PROPERTY on the way out of the store is enough for me to avoid Costco. Just for fun try this: buy something at the register and stick YOUR PROPERTY down YOUR PANTS. The bulkier the better. Then walk out and let the hilarity ensue. I've actually BEGGED them to call the cops on me for this. It's 4th Amendment good time.


RE: Good
By BRB29 on 6/20/2013 10:06:08 AM , Rating: 2
Sir! you're holding up the line!!


RE: Good
By Motoman on 6/20/13, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By Motoman on 6/20/2013 3:31:51 PM , Rating: 2
LOL. Love the way people rate you down for stating irrefutable facts.

http://www.costco.com/wcsstore/CostcoUSBCCatalogAs...

From the Costco membership regulations:

Costco reserves the right to inspect any container, backpack, briefcase, etc., upon entering or leaving the warehouse.

To ensure that all members are correctly charged for the merchandise purchased, all receipts and merchandise will be inspected as you leave the warehouse.


Sam's Club has the same thing in their contracts.

If you signed up for a Costco/Sam's Club membership, you agreed to those terms. Not only did you grant them permission to check your cart on the way out the door, you actually gave then permission to search your purse or whatever else you might have with you.

So...yeah. Those of you who think you have a "right" to refuse the cart inspection on the way out of a warehouse club are wrong.

This is the difference between a regular retail outlet like Walmart or Target, and a members-only club like Costco or Sam's Club. Walmart has NO RIGHT to inspect your purchases on the way out the door. Sam's Club has every right to do so - because you explicitly gave it to them.


RE: Good
By Reclaimer77 on 6/20/2013 3:44:08 PM , Rating: 3
It's not the "facts" people had a problem with. It's probably the asshole way you came off, as if everyone should be okay with being treated in a hostile manner by employees of a business you've chosen to patronize. Even if you supposedly "agreed" to it.

Also you're making this seem so black and white when in-fact, this practice might not hold up in court. Notice that Sam’s language reads that “…you will be requested to show a receipt….” This is because once you have paid for an item, the ownership has been transferred to YOU! Any attempt to detain you would be a simple case of false arrest, and that would mean a major lawsuit, and probably a large settlement.

And dude, last time I checked this was America. You can't actually make someone "agree" to waive their Constitutional rights. And Costco/Sam's employees, last time I checked, weren't law enforcement officers who have been appointed by the state and imbued with the powers to search your person and personal property.


RE: Good
By drlumen on 6/20/2013 5:16:42 PM , Rating: 2
Don't be surprised when they cancel your membership.

I'm with you at other places, like Frys, but you agreed to the terms of the contract and received compensation (cheaper prices) so you are violating the contract.

Also, while it is silly for anyone to expect to sign away their constitutional rights doesn't mean people don't do it and it's not enforceable. Look at the arbitration agreements that are all the rage now. You take one of those to court and the the judge will uphold the terms and dismiss your court case.


RE: Good
By Motoman on 6/20/2013 6:06:40 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, and sadly SCOTUS apparently just ruled that that mandatory arbitration crap is enforceable.

What a crock. If they can take away your right to due process in the court system all together, they can sure as hell take away your right to not have your cart searched on the way out the door.


RE: Good
By Mitch101 on 6/20/2013 4:04:10 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
LOL. Love the way people rate you down for stating irrefutable facts.

Did you just comment to yourself or forget to log into your other account trying to show support your own comments?


RE: Good
By Motoman on 6/20/2013 6:05:15 PM , Rating: 2
Unless you can provide us with an Edit button, how else do you expect me to post additional info relevant to the original post?


RE: Good
By 91TTZ on 6/20/2013 2:36:45 PM , Rating: 2
Well Sam's club is owned by WalMart and they do the same thing.


RE: Good
By althaz on 6/19/2013 11:52:03 PM , Rating: 2
You bought the PS4 then. Oh...wait...


RE: Good
By FITCamaro on 6/20/2013 1:07:17 PM , Rating: 3
Hence why I'm against government forcing companies to do/not do anything. If consumers don't like the way a company does business or how much something costs, they have the ultimate power at their disposal.

Not buying a product.


Family Sharing
By TakinYourPoints on 6/19/2013 6:25:26 PM , Rating: 3
The only downside to all this is the removal of family sharing. As much as I hated the higher price, slower hardware, mandatory DRM for all purchases, and mandatory Kinect (boy do I still dislike this), some things users got in return like library sharing were actually really cool.

Its too bad that they can't give the option for library sharing by limiting it to digital purchases where the lender and borrower both agree to periodic online checks. It would be business as usual for people who buy physical copies; they cannot share games or play them without a disc in the drive but they can buy/sell/trade without restrictions like they currently do.

Library sharing encourages digital purchases, more digital purchases discourage used game sales. Microsoft gets what they want while customers have the option for greater convenience and more features in exchange for DRM.

It isn't like Microsoft doesn't have a model to follow, making a choice between physical and digital+DRM+convenience has been happening for years with things like books and movies. I don't understand why it has to be all or nothing with the XBox One.

Things need to be incentivized, not forced. Customers would have been better served had they been given different policies for physical and digital purchases. Give users a choice. Instead Microsoft threw the baby out with the bathwater.

The overall situation is better than before, it just seems unnecessary to cut certain features when they could have given different policies for physical and digital purchases instead.




RE: Family Sharing
By retrospooty on 6/19/2013 6:50:44 PM , Rating: 2
"Things need to be incentivized, not forced. Customers would have been better served had they been given different policies for physical and digital purchases. "

Exactly.

"The overall situation is better than before, it just seems unnecessary to cut certain features when they could have given different policies for physical and digital purchases instead."

Yup. To tie the 2 together wasn't necessary, but they tried to force it on us. People revolted, so they passively aggressively took it back and said, "OK, you want it that way, then no this either" It's like the company is being run by a sweaty maniac! Oh wait!

Anyhow totally unnecessary and my guess is they will figure out a better method and provide the best of both. Online sharing without the limitations that didnt need to exist in the first place. Plenty of time left to fix it.


RE: Family Sharing
By TakinYourPoints on 6/19/2013 7:04:07 PM , Rating: 3
On a side note, here's my other big problem with the XBox. Its a good read: http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-on...

Steam, iOS, Android, Sony, Nintendo, every platform except Microsoft allows for self-publishing. It is completely backwards and hostile.

So you have higher cost, slower hardware, inferior exclusives (the way MS chased away or closed down their studios while Sony did an amazing job growing their own is a whole other post), unfriendly to developers, following up arguably the most defective piece of consumer electronics ever. Boy, I dunno.

I guess its good if you really like Halo?


RE: Family Sharing
By retrospooty on 6/19/2013 7:06:09 PM , Rating: 2
"So you have higher cost, slower hardware, inferior exclusives (the way MS chased away or closed down their studios while Sony did an amazing job growing their own is a whole other post), unfriendly to developers, following up arguably the most defective piece of consumer electronics ever. Boy, I dunno."

LOL. But what a great UI ;)


RE: Family Sharing
By TakinYourPoints on 6/19/2013 8:05:31 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget the Kinect and ads everywhere!

Seriously, why are there ads in the XBox user interface? Nobody else does this, it is ridiculous


RE: Family Sharing
By retrospooty on 6/19/2013 10:31:22 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... buy buy buy!!!


RE: Family Sharing
By BillyBatson on 6/19/2013 10:31:11 PM , Rating: 1
So you don't have higher costs (it costs the same just for forces you to buy Kinect2 which *I* personally would have done any way (owned kinect1 and excited for 2)), slower remains to be seen in real world conditions and we have yet to see how much the cloud will actually boost One AND even then let us see how Sony actually uses the extra stock power in the PS4 if you even notice a difference at all, "inferior exclusives" is a major matter of opinion you can't just state as a fact I myself hate Halo but there isn't a single PS exclusive that I like let alone have to have, I could care less how companies treat their developers as long as it doesn't chase any good games away, and as for the defective hardware I wiluld give you that 5 years ago but today? How many consoles still red ring? And we now have two 360 refreshes with no problems on top of that so this isn't an argument you can use anymore while Sony's PS3 software updates I continue to brick consoles which is problem they have had for years now and still have.

Everyone has different preferences you can't expect everyone to view a product as you do. I personally dislike Sony, I hate the PS3 and love 360, I think the Xbox controller is superior to the playstations and this next generation seems to have made the Xbox controller better while the playstations has gotten worse, I love Kinect and playstations motion controller was a flop, I prefer Forza over Gran Turismo, I like the One's aesthetics more, and when it comes to certain things "you get what you pay for" and I have no quams paying $50 a year for what is a superior online experience to playstations.
But that's how I see it.


RE: Family Sharing
By TakinYourPoints on 6/19/2013 11:48:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
slower remains to be seen in real world conditions


A good friend of mine is a senior producer working on a next gen game that is coming out on all five platforms (PC and current and next gen XBox/PS consoles). The difference in hardware between the XB1 and the PS4 is enough to make a good difference, but he also noted that we won't be seeing as big a difference in cross-platform games since developers will target for the lower common denominator. PS4 exclusives will show the greatest benefit from having better hardware since optimizing down to the lower XB1 specs won't be a problem. Based on seeing Quantic Illusion's tech demo, I believe it.

quote:
this next generation seems to have made the Xbox controller better while the playstations has gotten worse


Absolutely untrue. I used both the new contollers at E3 last week. The PS4 controller is a massive improvement, as good as the XB1 and 360 controllers. The best thing I can say about the XB1 controller is that the new rumble is really good. They had a car engine and braking demo that was super cool.

Either way, everyone with me who had concerns about the PS4 controller had them go away the moment they got their hands it. Every publication has said the same thing. This is the first time I've seen anyone claim otherwise.

quote:
I myself hate Halo but there isn't a single PS exclusive that I like let alone have to have


Microsoft either scared away studios they were publishing for (Bungie, Remedy, Epic) or shut them down (Ensemble, FASA, Aces). In the same time period Sony grew a really diverse group of studios with Santa Monica Studio, Naughty Dog, Media Molecule, That Game Company, etc. Over time Sony has a wider and more diverse group of good exclusives and indies than Microsoft, which is pretty much limited to the dudebro market with Gears Of War and Halo.

quote:
I could care less how companies treat their developers as long as it doesn't chase any good games away


Chasing first parties aside, this has especially carried over to indies. I've ended up playing a lot of indie games on Steam, iOS, and PSN over the last few years. Some of the best stuff has been coming out in that area. Microsoft's platform would be even better if they made it easier for developers to self-publish.

If you're not into all indie development, fine, but I also find it hard to argue that having less quality software is a good thing.

quote:
I love Kinect


Really?

quote:
I have no quams paying $50 a year for what is a superior online experience to playstations.


And I have no qualms paying $50 a year for all the free games that come with PSN+. Its a tremendous value, but at least it has spurred Microsoft to do a little more in that direction. Two games a month isn't the same as twelve, but its a start.


RE: Family Sharing
By TakinYourPoints on 6/19/2013 11:51:54 PM , Rating: 2
As for exclusives, I'm playing through The Last Of Us right now. Exceptional game, and I can't wait to see what Naughty Dog does with the PS4.


RE: Family Sharing
By BillyBatson on 6/20/2013 1:13:07 AM , Rating: 2
The controllers is a personal preference for me, I really hated the n64 controller and the ps1 controller blew me away, hated GameCube, loved ps2, hated Xbox "duke" but really like the -s, fell in love with 360 and out of love with the ps1/2/3. I prefer the more contoured and hefty 360 controller over PS though I like the non-removable battery. Both new controllers are an evolution of the old and since either drastic changed it looks like I would be more comfortable with the larger heavier One's with larger rounded handles against my palm.

I will admit I and not a major gamer I normally only own a few games that I play a lot (cod franchise only play multiplayer, forza, street fighter franchise) I won't buy 10-20-30 games at $66 with tax each so I wouldn't know about indie games. I don't like playing campaigns or anything with too many cut scenes. I agree that a larger library of all games including indie is a good thing. Not sure how accurate this is but a list of exclusives shows 360 having 25%~ more than ps3 but these are numbers not the quality of the games.

Haha yes I loved my Kinect. I never got it to play games with I wanted the voice and hand navigation. I admit even with the updates it never lived up to my expectations in this area, I wanted it to be advanced enough to not just go to say the Netflix app but to continue also be able to navigate though the app picking what to watch etc. This never happened. But the surprise use became my friends, at least once a month before we would go out they would all come over (6+) and we would pre-game while playing group dance games that we would rent the most fun was the Michael Jackson one playing 2vs2 at a time. If Kinect2 delivers an upgraded experience to the first then once again I don't mind paying for it upfront. I don't thing Kinect should be bundled with One it should still be people's choice whether to get one. I really believe that in time MS will sell cheaper bundles without Kinect but for now they are trying to keep the perceived value high sort of like an Apple tactic. The smart thing to do would be to offer the current bundle for $500, Kinect-less bundle for $400, and Kinect-less + 160gb HD for $299.

I don't play games using my gold membership. I just use it to play multiplayer games. Other than the topic of security in my own experience PS seems to have more downtime. I also have more friends on Xbox so playing with them is more of a priority over playing with strangers.


RE: Family Sharing
By TakinYourPoints on 6/20/2013 2:50:54 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft absolutely did a good job with the XBox 360. That said, I feel that their strongest period was during the first half of its lifespan (which strangely is when they had the most hardware issues). In the time since, Sony has seriously stepped up their game.

I understand liking the product. That said, seeing where Microsoft has either faltered or fallen behind while their competitors have caught up or surpassed them is something I can't really ignore. I have no brand loyalty here, especially since I'm still mainly a PC gamer. The PS3 was mainly a machine for Sony exclusives and Blu Rays, but between the better hardware, lower pricetag, and Sony's first party studios, I reckon I'll be doing most of my gaming on the PS4 this time. I might still end up with an XB1 in a year or two, it all depends on if the system gets something I absolutely need that Sony or Nintendo do not offer.


RE: Family Sharing
By althaz on 6/20/2013 2:34:14 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Absolutely untrue. I used both the new contollers at E3 last week. The PS4 controller is a massive improvement, as good as the XB1 and 360 controllers. The best thing I can say about the XB1 controller is that the new rumble is really good. They had a car engine and braking demo that was super cool.

Either way, everyone with me who had concerns about the PS4 controller had them go away the moment they got their hands it. Every publication has said the same thing. This is the first time I've seen anyone claim otherwise.

Every review I've read has said Sony's controller is an epic improvement, but the majority have said it's still notably worse than the XBox 360 controller. Which is the case. It's a 1000x better than before, but for those of us (and this is most people I believe) that really hated the PS2 & 3 controllers, it's still fucking woeful.

Better != good, it just equals less horrific.

That said, as bad as the controller might be, it's no longer truly unusable and, as with the PS3, 3rd party controllers will save the day (I use my XBox 360 controllers on both consoles atm).


RE: Family Sharing
By TakinYourPoints on 6/20/2013 2:46:01 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
the majority have said it's still notably worse than the XBox 360 controller. Which is the case.


No source backed up by personal opinion, ok, cool.

I've actually used it over the course of three days and have seen many other people do the same. Surprise and delight are the usual responses. I reckon I'm a bit more qualified to an opinion over one based on speculation. If I was forced to permanently trade an XBox controller for a PS4 controller, I'd be totally fine with it.

It isn't just "good for a Playstation controller", it is great by any standard. Most articles I've read has said pretty much the same: http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/the-playsta...

I should also note that the new XBox controller really isn't an improvement outside of the new rumble motors. It is hard to improve on something that was already great, but the headroom for improvement isn't really there either. Sony on the other hand brought their gamepad up to the same level.


RE: Family Sharing
By BRB29 on 6/20/2013 8:22:41 AM , Rating: 2
MS got the placement of the joysticks right. Sony is still sticking with the same positions. The new controller is still mostly the same shape but it looks more comfortable.

The xb1 controller still looks like the superior FPS controller while the ps4 controller is probably better at any other games.

the XB controller has been the only controller where I don't get cramps or fatigued on extended gaming. The Sony controller left joystick always make me want to snap the whole controller in 2.


RE: Family Sharing
By rountad on 6/20/2013 11:16:54 AM , Rating: 2
"dudebro market"

Haha!


RE: Family Sharing
By inighthawki on 6/19/2013 7:07:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Its too bad that they can't give the option for library sharing by limiting it to digital purchases where the lender and borrower both agree to periodic online checks

Agreed, I don't understand why the two features can't coexist. They just need to make it so that game sharing can be "enabled" on a particular account and for digital games only. After that, anyone who signs in with, or accesses games from that account must adhere to consistent online checks. For those who will not have online and this is an issue, the feature can be disabled on your account, and all behaves as usual.


RE: Family Sharing
By TakinYourPoints on 6/19/2013 7:16:47 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think any reasonable person who lends/borrows games would mind an online restriction. It is a fair trade for that feature.

Anyway, hopefully that gets added in the future, it really was one of the best things about the system. MS just screwed up hard with so many other things and their messaging.


RE: Family Sharing
By TakinYourPoints on 6/20/2013 7:09:36 PM , Rating: 2
Who knows if this is legit or not, but a Microsoft employee apparently posted this on pastebin. He clarifies the family plan, it would have used a time limit. You'd get to play for about an hour, then it would prompt you to buy the game. You can continue to play as much as you'd like, but then it would prompt you again after an hour.

http://pastebin.com/TE1MWES2

If this is legit, thank christ the internet got its way. What a terribly conceived system. It's demos but you get to keep your hour of progress, yay.


Win 8.1
By JasonMick (blog) on 6/19/2013 5:37:45 PM , Rating: 4
Now if they'll just give a real Start button back in Windows, and maybe the enthusiast crowd will settle down....




RE: Win 8.1
By retrospooty on 6/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: Win 8.1
By techxx on 6/19/2013 5:44:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yes! Please bring back a functional Start Menu.


RE: Win 8.1
By Motoman on 6/19/2013 9:21:14 PM , Rating: 2
Assuming that by "enthusiast crowd" you mean "people who aren't retarded," then yes. I concur.


good, but
By raphd on 6/19/2013 7:46:58 PM , Rating: 5
Not sure who else is with me but I have already committed to the ps4...trying to shaft me from the beginning and the complete arrogance and douche attitudes from their workers won't win me over that easy...




RE: good, but
By althaz on 6/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: good, but
By ComputerJuice on 6/20/2013 3:00:54 AM , Rating: 4
Why is it ridiculous? You can pre-order right now... maybe that is the commitment he is speaking about.


BEST power to the people campaign ever...
By Ramstark on 6/19/2013 8:53:20 PM , Rating: 3
Aside from Obama's campaign, I have never seen a company change its direction strictly just from consumer input.

That's why I support Microsoft. They listen and acknowledges their mistakes when they need to.

This is a win for the tech community also, showing that the manifestation of the peoples' opinion on public spaces (Facebook, forums, every blog and news page we found, etc. xD) can really change something, let's hope one day, politicians learn from this...one can only hope...




By cokbun on 6/20/2013 1:05:19 AM , Rating: 3
coughs " unlike " coughs " apple "


By geekman1024 on 6/20/2013 1:14:30 AM , Rating: 2
For me, victory should be "They dare not do that from the start."


This is kind of sad
By crispbp04 on 6/20/2013 11:37:57 AM , Rating: 2
I'm okay with the lift on the 24 hour restriction, that was a bit on the overbearing side. I do have a problem with the used game part of it. With better control of the market game prices would come down dramatically. Right now the studios only get paid on the initial sell. So they get $59 up front. If that game gets sold 50 times at a used game store, the used game store is the one rolling in the money. If game prices were reduced to $19 people wouldn't feel the need to resell them to recoup the costs of ownership. That way, the 5 people downstream would also pay $19 and the studio would make more money. There is more incentive for game developers because there is more reward. The only people who lose here are used shops like gamestop, who are a ripoff anyway and steal a lot of the profit that should go to the developers/studios. The used game restriction model helps indie developers compete, especially with the cloud compute stuff for platform scalability. More competition would further push down prices. Mobile device game prices are proof that this model works. Now the shortsighted whistleblowers screwed it up for everyone.

And for those of you who complained about the used game thing, have fun paying full price for games and hanging out at your local game stop... you monkey




RE: This is kind of sad
By inighthawki on 6/20/2013 11:44:24 AM , Rating: 2
I've been saying this the whole time as well but then you get people like Motoman spewing his nonsense about how the first sale doctrine is the most important thing in the world and getting games at 1/3 the price is not worth the giving up the ability to resell your game and make $5 back at gamestop.

Seriously, would you rather pay $20 and keep the game forever, or buy it at full price and sell it back, netting a loss of say, $40, and not having the game? The choice is obvious for most people.


RE: This is kind of sad
By BRB29 on 6/20/2013 12:11:45 PM , Rating: 2
i would agree with you if the developers will actually sell it at $20. Chances are, it will still be $60.

It doesn't matter what I do with the game after I paid for it. Whether I sell it at gamestop or pretend like I'm an Xbox and shove it up my anus, that's none of their business.

Your 1/3 price is a fantasy.

If you don't understand what they're trying to do is make more money. Having used games means that if they game sucks/boring, you can recoup some cost and the next person doesn't have to pay full price. Not having used games, means the supplier gets to sell 2x at full price. On top of that, a model like steam drastically decrease cost of manufacturing, shipping and resell margin. The online DRM thing is to prevent pirating.

I thought it would be pretty obvious by now. Steam has sales a lot. Those sales are nothing more than what it would cost them to market the product, probably less than TV commercials or online ads. You know, like Groupon. The games on steam are generally the same price as in the retail store unless they go on sale.

Another thing with a cloud based model like steam is generating traffic. It is another great revenue stream.

It was never about the consumer. It was about increasing margins. Motoman was right with the first sales doctrine but he just went a bit over the top with it.


RE: This is kind of sad
By inighthawki on 6/20/2013 3:41:34 PM , Rating: 2
I did not necessarily mean that the games would always drop to $20, that is indeed a fantasy. I have, however, seen AAA titles on steam go on sale for this price. Borderlands 2 hit $30 only a couple months after release on sale, while the console versions were still $60.


Price tag
By daveinternets on 6/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: Price tag
By ElementZero on 6/19/2013 6:16:45 PM , Rating: 2
what are you talking about? Just set your PS3 to boot up on HDMI and it'll change the PS3 when you turn it on, no reason to have to hit the input button


RE: Price tag
By daveinternets on 6/20/2013 12:00:57 AM , Rating: 2
I'm referring to watching TV on my... TV. The PS3 has no HDMI in.

Maybe instead of down votes, someone can answer what the PS4 does beyond playing games?


RE: Price tag
By ianweck on 6/20/2013 4:13:23 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe all some people want are to play games? Personally that's what I care about. I can pick up my remote to change to TV viewing, it's ok. Also who cares about skype/youtube/facebook/calculator etc? I just want to turn it on and play a game.


Could anyone clarify about the one time activation?
By nangryo on 6/19/2013 9:38:50 PM , Rating: 2
Last time, the activation makes XBOX one useless in my country. It didn't list on the launch party country, so I have to wait because even if I pre ordered it and get it at launch, I won't be able to use it.

So does it means that I can use the XBOX one wherever country I live? Not just in the 'allowed' region? thx




By TakinYourPoints on 6/19/2013 9:47:55 PM , Rating: 3
Microsoft also removed region blocking for games and activations. Really good


Also kills the best feature... damn
By tayb on 6/19/2013 6:16:12 PM , Rating: 3
I'm very happy with the reversal but I thought the digital game sharing was an awesome idea. Bummer.




The margin was razor thin
By jmarchel on 6/19/2013 8:21:17 PM , Rating: 1
Gamers were saved but only because of Sony. I can easily imagine Sony doing something similar and then nothing would force Microsoft to pull a Netflix. We have practical duopoly and next time we might not be so lucky. Overall it is a good week for consumers. Money grab by Microsoft is losing steam not only on gaming front but also on Window RT and thanks to NSA on the whole software as cloud service idea. People will think twice about requirement of being connected all the time and buying all apps through monopolized store under Microsoft control. Using software as service might seem tempting at first. Office 365 is just $9 a month or so, seems like a good deal until you recall that cable TV bill used to be $10 a month.




RE: The margin was razor thin
By Ramstark on 6/19/2013 9:00:08 PM , Rating: 2
Great!...and here was I thinking that we may have at least ONE post on DT without the "sparkling" opinion of Motoman...thanks a lot jmarchel...

On the other hand, maybe Sony had something to do with this, but I think mainly the outcry of the community was what really did the trick...


By ZorkZork on 6/20/2013 6:36:07 AM , Rating: 3
... because they can and most likely will introduce new features that will require always-on and the other crap. And in particular 3rd party game developers may require that at some point for their game to play.

When that happens it will leave you with a crippled console, where you are locked out from playing certain games or accessing new features.

And then there is the thing about the Kinect monitoring your every move .... uaha ha ha ...




Nice comeback
By Florinator on 6/19/2013 5:42:38 PM , Rating: 2
This is one of the reasons I'm a Microsoft fanboy, they mess up, but admit it and change course quite quickly.

Remember the Kinect hacking a few weeks after it came out, where Microsoft threatened to have their accounts blocked only to come back two weeks later saying that they welcome this and published the SDK?




By BillyBatson on 6/19/2013 10:06:50 PM , Rating: 2
How about reporting that the family share plan now no longer exists after these changes, or that now a physical disc must always be present in th disc drive to play a game even if installed into the HD (this doesn't apply to digital downloads).
Even with these 2 downsides the overall news is great and I can be exisited to buy my One again.




6 months after launch
By albundy2 on 6/19/2013 11:32:40 PM , Rating: 2
a software/firmware update could put this all back to square one... after they got your money! hope everyone actually reads the eula's with this box.




By ShaolinSoccer on 6/19/2013 11:44:54 PM , Rating: 2
I wanted to buy 360's for cheap but damnit, now I can't!




Not impressed.
By half_duplex on 6/20/2013 12:29:51 AM , Rating: 2
I've convinced at least 2 friends to pass on the XBO who would have bought it, and this press release does little to change my mind.

MS shouldn't be rewarded for doing what's right, they never should have pulled this nonsense to begin with. Sorry, getting a PS4 still, or a Nintendo, just for the hell of it.

Maybe if they put out a barebones box with no stupid ass motion sensor, I'll consider it a year after launch when I can get 10 used games. They'll still get my money for Live and DLC.




They cannot be trusted anymore.
By 91TTZ on 6/20/2013 6:59:48 AM , Rating: 2
Everyone knows that companies are after money. While most companies know not to resort to certain tactics out of fear of infuriating valued customers, some are after complete profit maximization and become brazen in their handling of people.

It's good that Microsoft has backpedaled on their previous stance. But if people forget what Microsoft tried to pull on them and then proceed to buy their products, they're sending a signal that what Microsoft attempted to do was acceptable and they'll certainly try something like that again. The only way that they'd be hesitant to do that is if there was a lasting backlash as a result of their actions.

Between Windows 8, their Office line, and now Xbox, Microsoft has been pretty indifferent towards their customers. They're treating customers more like a captive audience, livestock, or a crop rather than valued people that are looking to make a mutual business transaction. They're becoming like Comcast or Verizon where they think that they can push people where they want them for optimal profit rather than listening to customers and giving them a product that they actually want to buy.

That's why I'll be avoiding Microsoft's products for the foreseeable future.




Grumpy Cat
By btc909 on 6/20/2013 1:32:51 PM , Rating: 2
Is it just me or is Grumpy Cat more effective than the Obama Administration?




By jnemesh on 6/20/2013 1:48:12 PM , Rating: 1
Microsoft, Microsoft...you caved on the DRM, but it's still region locked (boo!) and still requires the NSA approved Kinect. Not only are you too late to announce this...(you SHOULD have announced no DRM BEFORE E3, you KNEW it would be a shitstorm after your INITIAL, Pre-E3 announcement), but you have already shown the world where your values are.

I in no way trust you to not try and pull this same stunt later on, in a couple years when you have your captive audience. I in no way trust you to protect my privacy or that of my family, since you were the VERY FIRST company to sign on to the NSA's PRISM program back in 2007. I in no way trust you not to mine data from the Kinect, looking at logos of the beer I drink or the snacks I consume while watching movies. I in no way trust that you will not try to extort more money out of me for movie rentals if I have more than a couple friends in the room. I in no way trust that you will keep your word and keep the horrible "metro" interface free of ads.

Sorry, Microsoft, it's far to little, and FAR too late!




killed family game sharing
By Gunbuster on 6/19/13, Rating: -1
RE: killed family game sharing
By retrospooty on 6/19/2013 5:51:17 PM , Rating: 2
I wouldnt worry about it. There is absolutely no reason they can't do both. 1 ROM update and its done.


RE: killed family game sharing
By Etsp on 6/19/2013 6:26:12 PM , Rating: 2
You can digitally download games, and those downloads will have all the capabilities the disk based games were going to.

There is a reason why the disk based games can't be handled that way. If someone registers the physical disk to their Xbox to enable the DRM and the digital sharing, Microsoft will have no way of knowing that the disk itself isn't getting used on some other Xbox that's not connected to the internet, essentially getting a "free" copy.

Granted, this use-case is rather limited, but it's enough to prevent them from doing it without the check-ins.

I honestly prefer it the way they're now going to do it. If you don't mind being unable to resell the game and being required to register it, you can get the game via digital download.

If you do mind, or you aren't well connected, you can get the physical disks with their limitations, but no additional DRM requirements.


RE: killed family game sharing
By Mint on 6/19/2013 6:47:42 PM , Rating: 2
Hopefully you're right, and we may also see lower prices for the downloaded version that can't be resold.

But BR sized downloads aren't practical for everyone. They can take several days and also push you over bandwidth caps. For people looking forward to family sharing, it would be a bit of a compromise.


RE: killed family game sharing
By Mint on 6/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: killed family game sharing
By retrospooty on 6/19/2013 6:44:02 PM , Rating: 2
"How would MS stop one disc being used to install on multiple consoles if there's no checking in online?"

- The same way all other companies do and always have. Is it 100%? No, but what is?

- OK, an online check - That's fine. Why must an online rights check be required to use the console at all? The 2 dont need to be tied. It doesnt have to be either or.

- What is there to prove no-one can crack the new method anyhow?

It was a bad idea period. Online rights cheack would be fine, but not if the online check disables the entire console if the internet is down. FFS, its rediculous.


RE: killed family game sharing
By Mint on 6/20/2013 4:45:32 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The same way all other companies do and always have. Is it 100%? No, but what is?
What other companies? I don't know of any unmodded consoles that let you install and play without the disc.
quote:
OK, an online check - That's fine. Why must an online rights check be required to use the console at all? The 2 dont need to be tied. It doesnt have to be either or.
What are you proposing? Only do online checks for installed games? Then you can install the game with your connected XB1 and give the disc to your friend and his unconnected XB1. Two people play whenever they want from one disc sale.
quote:
It was a bad idea period. Online rights cheack would be fine, but not if the online check disables the entire console if the internet is down. FFS, its rediculous.
There's no other way to let people install from a disc and play without it while also preventing multiple users per sale.

MS had a vision of games library installed on the HDD and being able to switch between them without leaving your couch. Even if MS was okay with multiple installs reducing their revenue, no way in hell would the publishers allow it.

Where MS made a mistake was thinking this feature was worth the sacrifice of unrestricted offline play.


RE: killed family game sharing
By daveinternets on 6/19/13, Rating: 0
RE: killed family game sharing
By andrewaggb on 6/19/2013 6:16:03 PM , Rating: 2
We'll see how it affects the family game sharing and other features. I think they can still make it work.

What we didn't hear was that netflix will work without gold.
Or that there will be a kinectless bundle for $100-$150 less.

But it's a start.


RE: killed family game sharing
By tayb on 6/19/2013 6:29:44 PM , Rating: 2
There is no "we'll see"... the family sharing is dead. Microsoft has confirmed it. There is no family sharing, they are pulling that feature completely.

Down the line they may enable sharing on digital downloads but as of right now that isn't happening.


RE: killed family game sharing
By retrospooty on 6/19/2013 6:39:04 PM , Rating: 2
"There is no "we'll see"... the family sharing is dead. Microsoft has confirmed it. There is no family sharing, they are pulling that feature completely"

Ya, like MS never says anything and backtracks on it... Oh wait, they do and just did.

Aside from that, there is no reason the 2 have to be tied and its one or the other. The way MS initially planned it yes... But there is no reason it had to be done that way and no reason they cant still do it. Just allow the sahring and not the always on and other DRM crap. A simple ROM update for a device that isn't out for several more months at least.


RE: killed family game sharing
By Rukkian on 6/20/2013 2:50:10 PM , Rating: 2
There is a possible reason why this would not work - the difference in the games. If you have a system that has to be continuously connected, then games can be minimal locally and use cloud services to make the game run much smoother. If you allow offline play via disk, then that needs to be a different game, and possibly scaled down to run efficiently without the cloud resources.


RE: killed family game sharing
By inteli722 on 6/19/2013 6:21:34 PM , Rating: 2
Well, if it gets installed to the hard drive, then it's simple. Nothing says here that you can't install games to play them without the disc. Next, we need them to see how stupid having the Kinect required for using it is, then I may be talked into buying one.


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