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Breaks out the ol' "quality over quantity" argument

Microsoft isn't too happy about the way its competitors Apple and Google tally the number of available apps for their respective platforms, Information Week reports.

In a blog post, Windows Phone Director Brandon Watson accused the companies of conflating their app numbers by including questionable items in their counts. "What is an app? It's a question that really begs some scrutinizing," wrote Watson.

He claimed that there are now more than 11,500 apps available for the burgeoning Windows Phone 7 OS. "For us, from the beginning, we have always been focused on quality over quantity. We recognize the importance of getting great apps on our platform and not artificially inflating the number of actual apps available to customers by listing 'wallpapers' as a category, or perhaps allowing a competitor's apps to run on the platform to increase 'tonnage,'" he wrote.

The report by Information Week claims that the figure pales in comparison to Apple's 350,000 available apps and Android's 30,000. (Note: The Android figure is either a typo or a misreport. Android's market exceeded 100,000 apps six months ago.)

Either way, Microsoft isn't buying it. "We also don't believe in the practice of counting 'lite' apps as unique quality content. In reality they only exist because developers can't have a trial API and must therefore do extra work. Finally, we don't double and triple count apps which are submitted in multiple languages," wrote Watson.

Watson also boasted about the number of developers that WP7 has garnered (36,000 have registered), but made no mention of Microsoft's declining mobile market share


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The problem is that...
By Motoman on 4/5/2011 10:29:40 AM , Rating: 5
...people think having a million "apps" available for their phone is a good thing. Like it's indicative of something important, or even useful.

There's only a handful of apps any given person is ever going to be interested in outside of what came on their phone. The rest are superfluous. And are probably all variations of fart jokes anyway.

It's another misguided appeal to popularity..."but there's a billion apps for this phone! It has to be good!" - "but there's a billion Justin Bieber fans! He has to be good!"




RE: The problem is that...
By supermitsuba on 4/5/2011 11:02:22 AM , Rating: 2
I wouldnt look at it that way necessarily. The more apps a phone has, the more developers you have that are willing to start developing for a platform. Provided there are lots of people on the platform.

I do feel though that the number of apps dont matter to a point. After all, all the apps that you want to use on a phone have all been ported over.


RE: The problem is that...
By banvetor on 4/5/2011 11:31:40 AM , Rating: 2
First, let me state two quick things: I completely agree with you and I own a WP7 device.

Howwwwwever, MS has fewer apps but ALSO of lower quality! Where's Skype? Where's Opera? Where's a decent map application (for Europe at least)?

As I said many times before, give me Skype and Nokia Maps (if and when that is coming) and then I will finally be 100% happy with my Optimus 7.


RE: The problem is that...
By kleinma on 4/5/2011 2:09:26 PM , Rating: 2
funny, skype was preloaded on my android and runs in the background no matter what I do. I can't uninstall it, and killing the process only makes it spawn back up again a few seconds later.

Give me a Win7 phone with no skype any day please!


RE: The problem is that...
By Bubbacub on 4/5/2011 2:23:52 PM , Rating: 2
root and get rid of it


RE: The problem is that...
By themaster08 on 4/5/2011 5:10:50 PM , Rating: 3
I agree, and to add to that, where on earth is the native Windows Live Messeger application? Microsoft has developed WLM apps for all other platforms besides their own. It's senseless!

TCP/IP sockets are a must for these type of applications though. Microsoft need to sort this out.


RE: The problem is that...
By Tony Swash on 4/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: The problem is that...
By Motoman on 4/5/2011 1:43:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Maybe - but no having apps or having a tiny number is indicative of a problem and will be seen as a product weakness by consumers.


...that's because consumers are gullible and easily mislead by marketing BS. And then they buy Bose, Apple, and Monster Cable products.

quote:
That's a lot of apps and if people didn't need them or like or if they were useless do you really think they would keep buying them in that number?


Yes. See above.

quote:
Developers are in it for the money....


Of course they are. And no one ever goes broke with a business model that depends on consumers being gullible and easily swayed by marketing BS. See above.

The success of such things is in no way indicative of any virtue. It's indicative of the failures of the consumer base.


RE: The problem is that...
By rcc on 4/5/2011 4:34:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The success of such things is in no way indicative of any virtue. It's indicative of the failures of the consumer base.


lol, really????

If the company is making money, and the customers are happy, where is the failure? The fact that some people may not like the product and won't buy it is irrelevant.


RE: The problem is that...
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/6/2011 2:47:54 AM , Rating: 2
Fanboy logic, gotta love it.


RE: The problem is that...
By rcc on 4/7/2011 4:05:17 PM , Rating: 2
You've got your head up and locked, with all due respect, of course. And, you need to broaden your horizons, it's not product specific.

If any company is making money, and it's customers are happy, what is the problem.


RE: The problem is that...
By Tony Swash on 4/5/11, Rating: 0
RE: The problem is that...
By Motoman on 4/5/2011 6:33:26 PM , Rating: 2
Let's see - yet another appeal to popularity. When are you going to learn?

Easily understandable example of the fallacy of the appeal to popularity: Christianity and Islam.

Just to keep numbers simple, let's assume that there are 1 billion Christians in the world, and 1.5 billions Muslims.

...that is a LOT of people. Either of those religions is HUGELY popular. To hell with your "millions" - we're talking billions.

AT THE VERY LEAST, one billion people are wildly, hopelessly, irrevocably wrong about what ostensibly is the most important issue ever in the universe...which religion to choose in order to preserve your eternal soul. The penalty for choosing wrongly is the worst penalty imaginable...an eternity in hell - and the prize for choosing correctly is the best prize imaginable - spending eternity in heaven.

And yet, at a bare minimum, a billion people are wrong! But according to your logic, well, they just can't be now can they? How could a billion people be wrong?

Think about that. Even just at the level of those 2 religions - never mind all the other ones. Or the effective certainty that all of them are wrong.

There's your appeal to popularity for you. Hell, even the ratings here on DT don't mean anything - my rating as of right now is 2.42...which all in all is probably pretty darned good, especially when you consider the number of posts I've made. HOWEVER...that rating is no guarantee that I am necessarily speaking the truth - it simply indicates that more often than not, my opinions tend to be popular. Popular does not necessarily equal truth.

Now give it up. Popularity means jack sh1t.


RE: The problem is that...
By nafhan on 4/5/2011 5:10:12 PM , Rating: 2
I agree that developer earnings is an important metric, but the data in your linked article doesn't support that or - really - anything relevant. The only thing it does support is that one app, by one developer, made more money on the iPhone over a random 30 day period than it did on two other platforms. It's like saying: "I got in six car accidents last year. So, most people must get in six car accidents a year."

This data could mean quite a few different things. Right off the top of my head, it could mean things like: there's a great competing app for free on Android, the guy doesn't understand monetization on the Android platform, he got featured on iTunes. Who knows? Without additional data, you really can't say.

I really hope you don't do any kind of analysis work...


RE: The problem is that...
By Tony Swash on 4/5/2011 5:53:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I agree that developer earnings is an important metric, but the data in your linked article doesn't support that or - really - anything relevant. The only thing it does support is that one app, by one developer, made more money on the iPhone over a random 30 day period than it did on two other platforms. It's like saying: "I got in six car accidents last year. So, most people must get in six car accidents a year."

This data could mean quite a few different things. Right off the top of my head, it could mean things like: there's a great competing app for free on Android, the guy doesn't understand monetization on the Android platform, he got featured on iTunes. Who knows? Without additional data, you really can't say.

I really hope you don't do any kind of analysis work...


All the evidence points to a clear conclusion. Developers make a lot more, really a lot more, from developing for iOS than they do by developing for Android. If you think that that statement is wrong feel free to post contradicting evidence. Here is some evidence to support my proposition.

This was written by Erick Schonfeld on TechCrunch on 21st Feb 2011 (and as I said if you think this guy's data is whacked feel free to point us towards more accurate data).
quote:
Despite 861.5 Percent Growth, Android Market Revenues Remain Puny

You read the headline “Android Market grows a staggering 861.5 per cent”, and you think, “Wow, Android is really on a tear.” But then you look at the fine print, and you realize that Android Market revenues are still barely registering, and that the only reason they grew so much in 2010 was because in 2009 they were nearly non-existent.

According to a chart making the rounds from UK-based research firm IHS, Android Market revenues in 2010 came in at an estimated $102 million, up from $11 million the year before.

And how did that compare to revenues from Apple’s App Store? Apple App Store revenues came in at an estimated $1.7 billion in 2010, almost 20 times bigger than Android. And Apple App Store revenue grew at a not-too-shabby 131.9 percent rate. More importantly, Apple accounts for 83 percent of the total estimated app store revenues.

It’s great that Android app store revenues are growing so fast, but whenever you see such sky-high numbers, be sure to look at what is the base they are growing from. Android will have to keep growing at astounding rates for a few more years simply to catch up to where Apple’s App Store is today.

If you are an app developer trying to make money, you still really don’t have much of a choice about where to put your apps. No wonder Apple feels like it can treat app developers any way it wants, and take an increasing percentage of their revenues.


The data table giving developer earnings by platform by year is available here as a graphic

http://tctechcrunch.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/an...


RE: The problem is that...
By Tony Swash on 4/5/2011 6:00:49 PM , Rating: 2
As soon as I hit the Post Comment button I noticed another interesting article, just out, from Gizmodo about the problems facing game developers on Android and the advantages of iOS.

Its here,

http://uk.gizmodo.com/5789093/the-near+future-of-m...


RE: The problem is that...
By Iaiken on 4/5/2011 10:02:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And Apple App Store revenue grew at a not-too-shabby 131.9 percent rate.


If you think such figures are even remotely sustainable year over year, I am afraid you are destined to be disappointed.


RE: The problem is that...
By nafhan on 4/6/2011 1:05:23 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, I agreed that developer earnings are important (I even started my post by saying that they are). I was arguing that the data you linked to in your previous comment was meaningless. I'm not really certain how you quoted my entire comment without realizing that...

Posting links to things like TechCrunch (rather than some random devs blog) is better, but you should link to the article instead of a blurry chart. That would also make it so you don't need to copy and paste entire articles (essentially that's why hyperlinks exist).


RE: The problem is that...
By OCedHrt on 4/5/2011 3:45:20 PM , Rating: 2
I wish Windows Phone 7 had quality apps. But my experience has shown otherwise. Apps on WP7 are incomplete and buggy and provide a crappy UI experience even when using Metro - except for the big name ones like Facebook and those done by MSFT. But they're on the app store and they ruin the credibility of WP7 as a platform.


RE: The problem is that...
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/6/2011 2:54:52 AM , Rating: 2
Being on a popular platform means that more developers are on board, meaning that you get a depth, breadth, and level of quality that an unpopular platform cannot get because there is simply less money to be made on it. Obviously more developers means more shovelware, but that negative aspect is such a small price to pay for the quality applications you do get.

Are you going to argue that Ubuntu's quantity and quality of applications are somehow superior even though Windows has far more developers on it?

Come on dude, don't let your fanboy RDF irrational iOS hatred cloud your judgement. Be objective. Regardless of platform, more money means more developers means more and higher quality applications, period .


Is it just me...
By zozzlhandler on 4/5/2011 10:37:25 AM , Rating: 2
... or is everyone getting tired of Microsoft's hypocritical announcements and pronouncements? Stuff Microsoft would hesitate to do is somehow wrong when others do it.

Microsoft, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.




RE: Is it just me...
By troysavary on 4/5/2011 10:49:58 AM , Rating: 2
In this case, Microsoft has a valid point. A large percentage of the iPhone "apps" are just iPhone specific versions of webpages that will not display on the iDevices because of lack of Flash.


RE: Is it just me...
By Iaiken on 4/5/2011 11:08:16 AM , Rating: 3
Don't forget the hundreds of thousands of "apps" that simply change your ringtone or backgrounds. If MS counted these as Apps on their store, they would already be at 200,000+ "apps".

This is something I have been on both Google and Apple about because actual apps can be hard to find unless you look for them by name. Generic searches are often swamped by webpages, wallpapers and ringtones.


RE: Is it just me...
By nafhan on 4/5/2011 1:30:16 PM , Rating: 2
This is marketing drivel. MS, Apple, Google - they all do it, and Apple and Google's statements in regards to apps generally aren't any more meaningful.

MS is trying to make their strengths sound more important than they really are and their weaknesses seem less important. Again, same thing any other company will do when discussing their products. Seriously, what do you expect them to say? "We suck, we quit." That would be funny, but not something a company who's still trying to compete would do.


BELGIAN APPLE BUYERS BEWARE !!
By Oralen on 4/5/2011 12:57:39 PM , Rating: 2
Just a heads-up for all those who live in belgium and are planning to buy some Apple products: people always praise Apple customer services.

But in Belgium, things are not as rosy: Apple does not have stores in the country, they have "Associates". And they have a return policy VERY different from what I have read everywhere.

I have purchased an iPad 2, unfortunately it suffers from the "backlight bleeding" issue everyone has been talking about on the Apple Forums. (And, to those who doubt, yes it is a real issue. I like Apple products, but defects happen.)

So I went to exchange it, thinking: "Ok, I got a dud. No big deal. I'll get another one, and that will be the end of it."

Not possible, according to the store! They HAVE to send all Apple items for repair, and it takes 3 weeks to get a new one!

The guy in the Apple section of the store then had the nerve to tell me that I should have taken an AppleCare plan to get a replacement in 48 hours!

All that for a product that was defective right out of the box!!

So, if you are planning to buy apple gear, and live in Belgium... Watch out. NOT the same quality of service as in France, or elsewhere.




RE: BELGIAN APPLE BUYERS BEWARE !!
By SPOOFE on 4/5/2011 1:32:26 PM , Rating: 4
Hasn't Belgium been lacking a functional government for nearly a full year now? I think the moral of your story is: Don't live in Belgium.


By Azethoth on 4/5/2011 4:43:31 PM , Rating: 2
No, I think the moral is: Belgian Waffles are delicious.


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