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Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer  (Source: Reuters)

The next companion to the Xbox 360 could be a Blu-ray Disc drive
Steve Ballmer says that Microsoft will be going forward with Blu-ray Disc support

In front of an audience at the MIX08 Internet conference, Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer let it be known that the software giant will work with Blu-ray Disc technology now that HD DVD is out of the running. Microsoft was previously one of the exclusive backers of HD DVD.

Ballmer was quoted by the Seattle-PI as saying, “We've already been working on, for example, in Windows, device driver support for Blu-ray drives and the like, and I think the world moves on. Toshiba has moved on. We've moved on, and we'll support Blu-ray in ways that make sense.”

A report from the Financial Times states that Sony is offering a Blu-ray Disc drive to Microsoft for use in the Xbox 360. FT sources Sony Electronics president Stan Glasgow as saying that Sony and Microsoft are currently in discussions over adopting the Blu-ray Disc format. Not made clear, however, is whether Sony is proposing an add-on drive similar to the one Toshiba built for Xbox 360 HD DVD support, or if it’ll be built-in for an additional model.

Microsoft has denied the validity of the report, with a spokesperson telling Next-Gen, “There are no plans to introduce Blu-ray. ... In response to Stan Glasgow’s statement that Blu-ray is a possibility for Xbox 360, we have made no such announcement. Games are what are driving consumers to purchase game consoles and we remain focused on providing the largest library of blockbuster games available.”



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smart
By omnicronx on 3/10/08, Rating: 0
RE: smart
By PAPutzback on 3/10/2008 9:08:07 AM , Rating: 4
They didn't toll over. They adjusted their business to the out come of the format decision. That is why they kept costs down on the box and made the HD-DVD an addon and not part of a more expensive complete console.

I see no reason for them to not include the blu-ray player in the next revison of the XBOX and it should be internal.


RE: smart
By omnicronx on 3/10/2008 9:16:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I see no reason for them to not include the blu-ray player in the next revision of the XBOX and it should be internal.
Heh if MS chooses to continue to use a Disc medium they will have no choice but to use BD on their next release. From this article it seems to be hinting on a current generation add on player.

And personally I think they did pretty much roll over. I always thought MS wanted to move towards the download based system. I guess they saw the lack of BD as a major weakness, regardless if they wanted recordable media gone. I guess Microsoft just wanted to slow down BD adoption enough to limit PS3 sales. Or Balmer is on crack... yep probably the crack..


RE: smart
By PAPutzback on 3/10/2008 9:24:08 AM , Rating: 1
I don't see them giving up on downloadable content and IP based TV it is our country's weak broadband infrastructure slowing that down. If we had FTTH everywhere and speed of 20Mb plus down at each drop you'd have no problem delivering 1080P content.


RE: smart
By omnicronx on 3/10/08, Rating: 0
RE: smart
By Polynikes on 3/10/2008 9:54:05 AM , Rating: 2
I agree, we don't have the infrastructure for downloading game content to be the primary means of acquisition.


RE: smart
By omnicronx on 3/10/2008 10:16:07 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I agree, we don't have the infrastructure for downloading game content to be the primary means of acquisition.
And I suppose the US had enough electricity to power the nation when Thomas Edison invented the light bulb....

How could you possibly know whats coming 15-20 years from now?
Im making a prediction about the future, not saying that it can be done today, this instant.


RE: smart
By grenableu on 3/10/2008 2:29:20 PM , Rating: 2
20 years sure. But not today.


RE: smart
By afkrotch on 3/12/2008 12:57:56 AM , Rating: 2
There is a difference between "we don't have" and "we won't have".

Also, the light bulb was around 50 years before Thomas Edison "invented" the light bulb. During the time, the US had more than enough electricity to power the nation. Not to mention illuminate the nation with light bulbs before Thomas Edison "invented" it.


RE: smart
By asdf23fvas324rf on 3/10/2008 11:38:08 AM , Rating: 2
which is why steam is failing faster than a bacon and steak energy bar. oh wait.......

what the person your agreeing with is talking about delivering hd movies/television over the internet, not games, which, despite what you may think is much more feasiable than hd video streams. now sure, not everybody has that capability, but fact is enough people have the capabilities to download games, and as many programs, even on the 360, has proven, the infrastructure is enough in place to make it a viable option.


RE: smart
By Spuke on 3/10/2008 1:29:54 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
even on the 360, has proven, the infrastructure is enough in place to make it a viable option.
How many people use this feature?


RE: smart
By PrezWeezy on 3/10/2008 2:09:19 PM , Rating: 1
I use it all the time when I don't feel like going to the movie store. Usually late at night and I just want to watch a movie but I'm bored with the ones I have. Just like I use on demand. I do wish I could pay 4 times as much and have the option of storing it on my media center PC and keep the license forever though.


RE: smart
By Spuke on 3/10/2008 4:11:16 PM , Rating: 2
I was hoping for some kind of statistic stating how many people are using these features. That would determine if there is a market, currently, for HD downloads.


RE: smart
By Oregonian2 on 3/10/2008 9:30:25 PM , Rating: 2
That would be a good number to know.

What we do know is that only a small minority of people used the HD DVD drives. I don't recall what Microsoft's current total sales numbers for XBOX 360's are, but I recall that it's a lot more than the 0.3 Million or so HD drive options that were sold.


RE: smart
By danrien on 3/10/2008 6:28:57 PM , Rating: 2
By 2010 (a guesstimate on the date the new consoles start rolling out), I'm pretty certain that that type of infrastructure will be in place due to the requirements of digital tv in every household and the emerging competition between cable and FiOS, ISPs and related companies will simply need to improve the infrastructure here in america and likewise increase broadband speed.


RE: smart
By afkrotch on 3/12/2008 1:04:25 AM , Rating: 2
Thinking someone's never had to go through the process of updating an infrastructure.

I'd say by 2010, all majority cities and few minor cities will be capable. 2020, all cities greater with 50,000 or more ppl living in them will be able to use it. 2030, all cities, towns, villages, guy living in a cave in the middle of a forest, with a radioactive powered mind controlled PDA on 802.11N (Draft 522976) can get Super Ultra HD (at 5400p), but not regular HD.


RE: smart
By retrospooty on 3/10/08, Rating: 0
RE: smart
By sxr7171 on 3/11/2008 5:11:39 PM , Rating: 2
Download, download, download, that's all anyone says these days. When you have 50Mbps pipes running into your house then we'll talk. Even to get an overly compressed 10GB file (as opposed to a proper 30GB Blu-Ray) it would theoretically still take almost 30 minutes to get to your house even with a 50Mbps connection and you get comparably lower quality due to the much increased compression factor. A real HD movie compressed at Blu-Ray disc rates would take 1.5 hours with that 50Mbps pipe. With a good for today's standard 10Mbps pipe it would take almost 8 hours to get a full Blu-Ray quality movie over and that would only be increased by any web surfing, bit-torrenting or whatever you have going on.

Then think about how much storage space you would need to keep those movies around. A stupid 360 20GB hard drive has about 12Gb free so it would store one movie and a few demos...maybe.

Silver disks will be with us for a while. Get used to the idea.


RE: smart
By afkrotch on 3/12/2008 1:12:03 AM , Rating: 2
Use to live in Japan where 100 meg was fairly standard (only costs $30 for it too, with VOIP) and few areas had gig. S.Korea was pretty much the same.

The problem with the US, is the sheer size of it. Hard to implement high speed broadband to all locations. Would probably be easier to simply condense the nation into 4 states and create a new infrastructure there than to upgrade/install a new infrastructure into what we have now.


RE: smart
By hduser on 3/10/2008 1:16:41 PM , Rating: 2
I hope they make it internal on the next go around. My Xbox 360 internal DVD drive (Hitachi) screams like a banshee when playing games. Sometimes it's louder than some of the spoken dialogs in Mass Effect. I'd pay good money to muzzle that drive. I sometimes wonder what they were thinking when they OK'd the Hitachi drive?


RE: smart
By sxr7171 on 3/11/2008 5:14:10 PM , Rating: 2
They were thinking people will take what they can get. Kind of like what they were thinking when they made Vista.


RE: smart
By walk2k on 3/10/2008 6:51:00 PM , Rating: 2
Of course they "rolled" over. What did you expect them to do, keep supporting a dead format that the creator themselves have already abandoned?

If people want a BD addon for the 360 they will make one. I don't see them putting one internally since games/etc will not make use of it. But I'm pretty sure the HD-DVD addon was one of the most popular HD-DVD players if not THE most popular... so it seems like it's something people want.


RE: smart
By afkrotch on 3/12/2008 1:16:06 AM , Rating: 2
Huh? Have you seen Blue Dragon. 3 DVD set for the game. I'm sure more and more game developers are hitting the limits of DVD9 storage.


RE: smart
By steven975 on 3/10/2008 9:22:31 AM , Rating: 4
The 360's HDMI implementation is not the issue. It's HDMI is no more limited than the PS3's HDMI 1.3 (which supports NONE of the optional 1.3 features like bitstream lossless by the way, just the faster data rate so they can officially label it 1.3!).

Multichannel PCM became available in HDMI 1.1. The 360 supports this. Due to the way it does audio processing (basically it always encodes to Dolby Digital or DTS), however, it cannot output Multichannel PCM via HDMI. The HDMI chip it has is perfectly capable of this, though.


RE: smart
By omnicronx on 3/10/08, Rating: -1
RE: smart
By pomaikai on 3/10/2008 10:37:48 AM , Rating: 4
You do realize that USB2.0 has a 480Mbps limit and Blu ray 1x has a max read rate 36Mbps. Please explain how a 36Mbps Blu Ray disc can support uncompressed audio while a 480Mbps USB2.0 port cannot? Even at 8x the transfer rate is 288Mbps.


RE: smart
By steven975 on 3/10/2008 10:51:57 AM , Rating: 3
exactly. The add-on drive is JUST a drive. It spits out what the drive reads...and USB is not a limitation. If the add-on were to have HDMI it would need onboard decoders and processing, doubling the cost! The add-on is perfect because you JUST need the drive.

It is the way the 360 processes audio...it has NOTHING to do with USB or its HDMI chip. If the 360 could process multichannel PCM internally, it would have no trouble putting that out over HDMI. It probably even has the CPU power to decode TrueHD and DTS-HD as well. Whether this limitation is a hardware thing with the sound chip or just due to MS not caring is unknown.


RE: smart
By omnicronx on 3/10/08, Rating: -1
RE: smart
By sxr7171 on 3/11/2008 5:23:57 PM , Rating: 2
I realize this is not relevant to this particular argument but as aside it should be pointed out that all Blu-Ray players are specified to 2x (72Mbps) at a minimum.


RE: smart
By walk2k on 3/10/2008 6:44:51 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure HDMI 1.1 can support 8-channel LPCM.

That's not the limitation, I believe something else is.

It could be USB 2.0, which is only 480mbps while HDMI is in the GIGabit range. Keep in mind HDMI transmits UNCOMPRESSED digital video and audio.

HDMI 1.3 added Deep Color which the PS3 supports btw.


RE: smart
By steven975 on 3/11/2008 8:59:10 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, but the data on the disc is compressed in the Megabits range. USB will transfer that.

More accurately HDMI 1.3 added the OPTION of deep color and the OPTION of bitstream lossless. Neither is a requirement of 1.3.


RE: smart
By zombiexl on 3/10/2008 9:26:21 AM , Rating: 2
Remind me now, just how many TV's out there are HDMI 1.3? I've been (recently) looking at samsung DLP's and all but their highest end models support 1.2. Its been a few montsh since i looked at LCD's, but i cant remember too many having 1.3 support.

Someone who is worried about 1.3 probably is going to buy a stand alone player anyway.


RE: smart
By omnicronx on 3/10/2008 9:42:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Someone who is worried about 1.3 probably is going to buy a stand alone player anyway.
Unless your TV supports deep color, or you are passing the signal through your TV before your receiver (can't get bitstream on 1.2) it doesnt make a difference. As almost nobody has the second option, you will probably be ok with 1.2a.

An HDMI 1.3 device should not cause any problems on a 1.2a device, they both should have hdcp if needed and I am pretty sure HDMI is backwards compatible with previous specs, it just limits the features you can have. As the only real feature of 1.3 is deep color, a feature that almost no TV has, it really doesn't make a difference.


RE: smart
By michal1980 on 3/10/08, Rating: 0
RE: smart
By omnicronx on 3/10/2008 10:34:51 AM , Rating: 2
I don't see why you were rated down, but you are absolutely right, its not part of the the BD or HD-DVD spec.

If its not in the spec, any player containing the ability could and probably will get sued by BD group, will not be able to use logos and maybe even the name.

(for those that do not know deep color unlocks the current color space limitations and enables the display of any color viewable by the human eye i.e: colors above 8bit up to 16 bit (in theory))

What gets me is there are apparently even 'deep color' BD players, but what they do not tell you is the studio has to add the extra color to the video track in order to be enabled. To further kick you in the nuts they do not tell you that currently both HD-DVD and BD are limited to an 8bit encoding process. And any revision to this process will render the majority of players useless according to industry experts.

In other words, in order for deep color to be possible on BD they would need to have 2 different releases, normal version and deep color version, and of course DVD.. Wouldn't that be fun :)

So all those that bought deep color HD-DVD/BD players, may have paid for a feature that will never be adopted.


RE: smart
By walk2k on 3/10/2008 6:47:42 PM , Rating: 2
1.3 is probably overrated, but pretty much every new HDTV is starting to support it. Lip sync is a very handy feature, and even though Deep Color sources are rare(!) there are already many HDTVs that support it such as the Sony Bravias.


With HD-DVD gone...
By AdamFX on 3/10/2008 8:45:20 AM , Rating: 2
I think they'd be making a mistake if they didn't at least have an addon player now that would support bluray. Unless they plan to slash prices heavily on the add-on HDDs & downloadable movie content to try and push the next-next gen media format.




RE: With HD-DVD gone...
By OrSin on 3/10/2008 8:52:03 AM , Rating: 2
The problem will be teh cost of the add-on player. Blue ray will not be subsidzed like HD-DVD was. MS need to make money on the accessory, but if they price it too high, Sony will say the Xbox with Blue-Ray is alot more then PS3. MS dont want that image. They would go with-out for a while before being seen as the most expensive next-gen box.


RE: With HD-DVD gone...
By omnicronx on 3/10/2008 9:10:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sony will say the Xbox with Blue-Ray is alot more then PS3.
and Microsoft may say, 'why not use that 360 you already own, buy an addon!!'

No doubt this is advantage Sony here, but an MS BD addon could stop existing customers from swaying to the dark side.. i mean BD ;)


RE: With HD-DVD gone...
By steven975 on 3/10/2008 9:27:34 AM , Rating: 2
the drives have come down in price. PC drives are available at like $130 retail (and they burn DVDs). The add-on drive isn't much more than that; I'd imagine MS can price it at $150 and still make money.


RE: With HD-DVD gone...
By omnicronx on 3/10/2008 9:56:28 AM , Rating: 2
I bet 360 HD-DVD addons are selling for pennies right now too, as they have become giant paperweights unless you use it as a drive.


RE: With HD-DVD gone...
By Sulphademus on 3/10/2008 9:17:48 AM , Rating: 1
Methinks it would only work well if the BR-addon comes in noticably less than the cost of a stand alone. Their HDDVD unit was the same cost as the stand alone, IIRC, for most of the past year.

Probly work well in a dorm but I would guess for an extra $20 (or any minor difference) people would go for a stand alone BR player that may continue working in 5+ years after half the 360's out there have fried themselves.


RE: With HD-DVD gone...
By steven975 on 3/10/2008 10:57:10 AM , Rating: 2
well, with HD-DVD, Toshiba was subsidizing the standalones while MS wasn't (or at least not much).

The add-on costs way less to produce as it is ONLY the drive. BD drives RETAIL at like $130 now, so figure the bulk price at $100. Add in the case and MS could probably do a BD add-on at $150 or so. That's way less than a standalone BD player.


RE: With HD-DVD gone...
By AlphaVirus on 3/10/2008 11:42:28 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Add in the case and MS could probably do a BD add-on at $150 or so. That's way less than a standalone BD player.

$150+XBOX360 = might as well buy a PS3.

I see why it would be a better option for them to just produce an 'addon drive' but if you think about the whole picture, people who dont already have one will just pick up the PS3. The blu-addon will only be bought by people who currently own a 360.

Unless MS is looking for short-term revenue, they will not go the blu-addon route.


RE: With HD-DVD gone...
By prenox on 3/10/2008 4:54:45 PM , Rating: 2
Sony has done the price comparison before with that little sheet that compared total prices. MS releasing a BD addon would only give Sony the option to do this again with yet another option to increase the price of the 360.

I am happy with my 360 as a games machine. I don't plan on buying any BD player right now cause my HDTV doesn't have an HDMI port. Until the PS3 has more games that I really want I don't plan on picking it up yet either. $399 to collect dust? no thanks.


Not very smart,...
By RandallMoore on 3/10/2008 9:33:02 AM , Rating: 1
Personally, I don't think it was a smart idea for anyone who bought an HD-DVD add-on for the 360. I think this is good enough proof for that. Early adopters will always be the guinea pigs! Thank god I spent my money on the PS3.




RE: Not very smart,...
By zombiexl on 3/10/2008 10:03:18 AM , Rating: 3
I have all 3 consoles and 2 HD-DVD add-on's (bought a second one at the BB firesale for backup).

So far any games i've bought for the PS3 could have been bought for the 360, i just got them for the PS3 so it didnt sit there collecting dust while its not playing the 4 (never did get my 5 free) BR's i own.

For me there was more content on HD-DVD that i wanted at the time so i bought the add-on, plus stand alones were still starting at over $500. I don't think it was stupid, i watched my high def movies, they looked (and still look) good and i made a minimal investment compared to buying a stand-alone at the time.


RE: Not very smart,...
By RandallMoore on 3/10/2008 10:08:54 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not bashing anyone who did get one, my point should have been that no one has any right to be mad for getting it. As you said, you considered it a good investment at the time. As a whole, early adopters have disposable income anyway! So the argument would be who made the more "future proof" investment. Surely I would have been up S*%^ creek if blu-ray would have went under. LOL No disrespect by any means :)


RE: Not very smart,...
By AlphaVirus on 3/10/2008 11:45:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Surely PS3 would have been up S*%^ creek if blu-ray would have went under.

That is the truth right there. With the blu drive built into the PS3, it would have been doom & gloom for the PS3 fanbase.


RE: Not very smart,...
By Hiawa23 on 3/10/2008 1:07:44 PM , Rating: 3
I bought the 360 HD DVD add on knowing HD DVD would fail but there were movies I wanted on HD DVD, so I am not surprised. I have a Ps3 so BR is covered. What I am waiting for is for the HD DVD standalones to be cheap or might just pickup another 360 player for backup since they are $49, just for my living room. The way I look at it is as long as there are HD DVD movies I want to watch it was well worth it, & I plan to buy more movies when the prices drop. Just cause the format fails doesn't mean I can't enjoy HD DVD for years to come, & I still watch some stuff on VHS. I am just not spoiled like some & don't have to have HD, or the next new thing, & actually fine with standard DVDs.


RE: Not very smart,...
By AlphaVirus on 3/10/2008 3:17:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I bought the 360 HD DVD add on knowing HD DVD would fail

I did something like this before, bought a 1995 Lincoln Towncar for $1,300 that had 213,000 miles on it. I was expecting for it to be a hobby but ended up driving 50,000 more miles on it and sold it.

quote:
The way I look at it is as long as there are HD DVD movies I want to watch it was well worth it, & I plan to buy more movies when the prices drop.

Lol the price has dropped a long time ago. You can get some HDDVD movies for $10 on the interweb, only problem is how big is the HDDVD library? Once they stop manufacturing more, what will you purchase? So you have that HDDVD player would make little to no sense as you can no longer purchase anything else for it.

VHS is strangely still alive, brick&mortor stores still stock VHS, and people still purchase them. DVD's will no doubt stay around for many more years as it has become the common standard for all consumers.

If you have an HDDVD player you should take CiruitCity's rebate offer so you dont have to hold on to a useless hardware.


RE: Not very smart,...
By prenox on 3/10/2008 4:49:00 PM , Rating: 2
How is it useless hardware if he has movies that he watches on it? Is your DVD player useless because you have watched all the DVD's you have in your collection?


RE: Not very smart,...
By kelmon on 3/10/2008 2:12:14 PM , Rating: 2
In fairness, anyone investing in either format was a mug. There was never a clear winner until Warner showed its cards and the war could have gone either way. Never let yourself be a pawn in a format war - it's too expensive if you are wrong, you probably don't need it anyway now, and when the war is won then everything will be cheaper.


MCE
By vapore0n on 3/10/2008 8:59:39 AM , Rating: 2
Hopefully they will now add support for MCE.

Maybe they didn't do it for HDDVD because of the uncertainty of who would win.




RE: MCE
By omnicronx on 3/10/2008 9:06:11 AM , Rating: 2
3rd party apps already let you do so by opening a third party app when it finds a BD/HD-DVD in your drive.

for example : http://blog.mediacentersandbox.com/PermaLink,guid,...

could be a bit before it is natively supported by mce, can't imagine it would be a non-service-pack update, and it sure as hell wont be in SP1.


RE: MCE
By robinthakur on 3/10/2008 1:42:33 PM , Rating: 2
Yer, but I think the mod was intimating that they should build in the functionality to vista like the 'play dvd' option should just be 'play disc' and it plays with just a codec (or whatever they are now using) to power it. If HDDVD/BR worked as seamlessly and as easily on the PC as DVD did when it was younger, then the take up would be much higher. It has been an absolute nightmare to use your pc for Home cinema stuff since HD discs/cable came around. Not having an integrated solution for HD discs in Vista (or even in Fiji aka VMC sp1) truly indicates that MS does not care for physical formats or for their user's convenience. If they did, and they intragrated it properly in Vista, sales of bare drives would shoot through the roof. I personally would have bought drives in both flavours to put in my HTPC long ago. As it is, the requirements for a HDCP graphics card and monitor, plus all the restrictions, and the lack of reliable playback on the PC puts me right off, and probabcly does alot of people.


RE: MCE
By Staples on 3/10/2008 11:05:15 AM , Rating: 2
MCE is way behind the times. Microsoft really needs to update it. It does not support open source stuff like h264 which I find totally ridiculous. Plus is causes the Xbox to crash or lockup for a really long time if they video signal on recorded content is sketchy where it will not do that on the PC (and the bugs of course). I just use WMP11 and the Xbox dashboard to serve video as it does a better job almost all the time. It even saves the position of the video you are watching, what a common sense thing to do.


Oh please.
By Pugnate on 3/10/2008 5:40:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Anyone else a bit surprised? I can't believe Microsoft rolled over so easy.


Wow, what are you seven? God the internet really brings out the mentally slow. This isn't some stupid console fanboy war. There is nothing at stake here except money, and MS always stated they'd go with Blu-Ray if it won.

I'd expect better comments on this site. Are you sure you didn't lose yourself on your way to the IGN or 1Up network? Your comment is as out of place as a Santa Claus believing kinder gardener in the middle of a university campus.

Ahhh your comment irks me so much. You internet flame warriors are the only ones who care about how your purchases affect your e-penis. The people employed at companies like MS and Sony have pride in their companies, but at the end of the day they are just part of a business.

I mean your comment is so utterly stupid. Microsoft is a company that sees further investment in a dying product no longer viable, so they refocus on the victorious competitor.

Yet some of you IGNorants have placed companies you buy products of on such a high pedestal that you don't see them as a simple business, but instead as some superhero. The problem is that you guys have started to believe your own sh*t. For the lot of you, MS might as well be Master chief or Optimus Mircrosoftoron, ready to heroically fight back, instead of "rolling over".




RE: Oh please.
By Pugnate on 3/10/2008 5:43:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
uld end up being a really smart move though


Uhhh... you think? Oh boy.


Hardware slowly integrating ;-)
By Neamhtearanntacht on 3/10/2008 10:39:49 AM , Rating: 1
It looks like the hardware is slowly integrating. Does that mean the European price cut will be changed to a price increase when Micro$oft release the new improved iteration?




By Neamhtearanntacht on 3/10/2008 3:17:10 PM , Rating: 2
And another point, since a lot of money was lost on hardware development, will the next gen of hardware be used by both Microsoft and Sony? Will a deal be struck to cut costs and focus on the software. Money talks so it is possible.


Microsoft Hot Air Balloon
By frobizzle on 3/10/2008 10:47:11 AM , Rating: 1
I'm really surprised Ballmer doesn't float away with all the hot air he has in him!




By Neamhtearanntacht on 3/10/2008 11:01:24 AM , Rating: 2
Have you seen his wallet. Not a chance.


Ballmer
By an0dize on 3/10/2008 11:12:58 AM , Rating: 2
I just love these Ballmer photos you guys keep coming up with. Hilarious.




Ok...
By nowayout99 on 3/10/2008 12:06:53 PM , Rating: 2
As if the (at least) 2 other stories in the past weren't enough, let's make sure we're clear with story #3... that MS will support BRD if HD-DVD fails. Which it now did. So they will.




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